History Valley podcast is a world history/religious history channel in which we discuss historical events, interview authors, PhD's, Professors and other authors about subjects pertaining to those things. I also record and publish videos discussing my own opinions on these topics.
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I have fun listening when you roll solo with speculations and questions based on your own studies. So, I ask for you to not delete any videos. They're solid. Now, and I want to be fair, Neal and Derek are cool, but it's appreciated when one has a similar passion in these select subject matters. Their channels are more for sticking it to the Christians. Perhaps general talk in relation to dark parts of Christianity with people who are in that beginning out-of-the-closet atheist stage in life and are moving on from a religious upbringing. That's well and good. I prefer guests that will enhance your presentations with better conversation and interest. More on your level in those regards. Can James Valiant join in sometime soon?
36:20 - If James (the brother of Jesus) was killed in the late '30's, then Galatians would have to date even earlier (since Paul argues against James as if he's still alive and gives no indication of having bumped him off). Galatians was written to an existing Christian congregation or group of congregations in Asia Minor (Turkey), which were well-established enough for James to send representatives to in order to lead them back to Torah-observance, so that Paul felt the need to write the letter to counter their efforts. Isn't that an awful lot of stuff to be happening in less than a decade after Jesus' death? Especially since Paul's first missionary journey is dated to around 46 C.E., i.e., another decade after he would have killed James? Or does Berman date the Crucifixion and Paul's missionary journeys earlier?
Is there any evidence that James the Just was ever a Galilean peasant fisherman? The descriptions in the extrabiblical texts they read make him sound like a high-ranking member of the Jewish clergy rather than a (likely illiterate) outsider, or someone who started out as such.
when you realise the Jews copied older texts as their scripture. not only that, they changed one key important point
I think religion is for the week minded idiots!!!
My man on the right is spitting “through the wire”
Listening to this elucidates the value of starting research presentations with an abstract and an introduction.
These 0s know nothing…
1:23:04 wow! Look! I'm one of Carrier's biggest fans! I can definitely say he's an asshole! I would even call him sinophobic! BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT HE CALLS YOU (YOU CLOWNS SPECIFICALLY! NOT JUST ANYONE CRITICAL OF HIM) LIARS, CRANKS, AND HACKS BECAUSE YOU _ARE_ LIARS, CRANKS, AND HACKS! YOU'RE DRAMA STREAMERS! YOU'RE NOT ACADEMICS!
1:20:32 CH: wow! Earlier in the video you said no one in academia was afraid to rock the boat on Jesus historicism, now you say most of the people who endorse mythicism are retired! You REALLY think the latter fact makes a good case for the former!? 🤡💩🤡💩🤡💩🤡💩 And then you try to play the "why do we even care?" game! That's literally the phobia response again! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
1:09:44 very funny that you're bringing up the denial cascade. Not like Carrier does that! 🙄
You guys aren't taking into account how people create meaning out of meaninglessness! The whole thing with Philo is that he saw meaning in coincidences! Same with Paul! They weren't just looking for coincidences! They were looking for MEANING! It would have MEANT something to Philo what the character's name in that verse was! He called him the angel of many names! I'm not psychologizing! I'm using the logic of metaphor! Yes! It is a kind of LOGIC, you Philistines!
48:50 Carrier doesn't believe in a conspiracy theory! "cosmic sperm bank" isn't a "conspiracy theory"! You just think it's "wacky"! You're not even using terms properly! I don't blame Carrier for calling you liars! You seem to be misunderstanding him on purpose! You're fucking clowns! You have to take into account the negative space! You have to use positive sum Hegelian logic! And then you accuse HIM of misunderstanding other scholars! 🙄🙄🙄
40:38 we can't say that the name of the dude the rising verse is about is relevant!? OH MY GOD! YOU CAN'T JUST SAY "PHILO DOESN'T SAY THAT"! YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO HIS ACTUAL ARGUMENTS! YOU'RE NOT A LAWYER! YOU'RE A RESEARCHER! START ACTING LIKE ONE! AND THEN YOU WHINE THAT HE CRITICIZES YOU BACK!? PATHETIC!
38:13 no... Individuals don't start movements! The masses do! Ned Ludd certainly never started any movements! 🙄
EL is plural - EL is short for Elohim. Basically Gods angels.
There was no historic Jesus. He was created by Arius Calpurnius Piso, whose pen name was Flavius Josephus. They wrote the new testament. The youngest son, Julius, wrote the book of Revelation to expose. He was the black sheep of the family. He inserted Satan and created the Judas character. Ignore these words at your own peril. It is the absolute truth.
The New Testament is for every human creature on the planet. We read this in, Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
@ 20:11 minutes in the Subtle Manipulation section, I found the say "Like a lion they pierce may hands and my feet" (Psalms 22:16). As I was reading The Odyssey by Homer, I came across many segments where Odysseus was compared to a lion. Multiple times I would read phrases that would read "Like a lion...." . I noticed this literary comparison present in the Greek Epics makes an appearance in the Hebrew Bible. Occasions like this really makes you think one reflect on Dr. Dennis R. MacDonald's work.
The passage he quotes in Luke “they shall be as the angels” Tabor again is assuming as the church that it’s promoting a celibate afterlife. In the Hebraic context it means is they shall no longer die prematurely and be obedient towards God as the angels. Eme her men are made above the angels.
I like this guy
Again watching him, My faith in Christ is strong.
The Recognitions of Clement.: Chapter LXXIII. (Welcomed by Zacchæus) : - ...especially concerning our honourable brother James. And when I told him that he was still lame on one foot, on his immediately asking the cause of this... - According to this, James survived the fall down the steps of the temple.
The historicity of Jesus is in a serious trouble if The Gospel of Thomas is the best evidence of it.
I know for a fact that Jesus is alive and doing very well 🎉🎉🎉
When you read the bible, full of wild supernatural tales, you can only conclude it was written by liars. Why would anyone trust ANYTHING in a book written by liars?
Is there any manuscript that denies the existence of Jesus, His death and resurrection ❓️I am certain that neither Erhman nor Berman will respond.
Tacitus is your slam dunk? If anything, this video proves how ridiculous historicist's claims are.
Dr. Hughes reminds me of someone I don't like. But I like Dr. Hughes
It sounds like he’s supporting the Greek philosophy view of resurrection rather than the ancient Hebraic view. Jesus doesn’t even defend a celibate afterlife in Matthew 22:30.
I think that it seems to be the first gospel.
Acts 12 James Killed and Peter Imprisoned 12 About that time Herod the king laid violent hands on some who belonged to the church. 2 He killed James the brother of John with the sword, 3 and when he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter also. This was during the days of Unleavened Bread. 4 And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people. 5 So Peter was kept in prison, but earnest prayer for him was made to God by the church. Here what it says really: James Killed and Peter Imprisoned (because Peter instigated stoning and clubbing of James). 12About that time Herod the king laid violent hands on some who belonged to the church. 2 He killed John (the Baptist) with the sword, mob killed James years later, 3Because it was crime Peter was arrested on suspicion. 4 And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people. 5 So Peter was kept in prison, but he got lucky and got out.
No, we are not talking about James, the brother of John. Read Acts 21:18-35. We are talking about another James, James the Righteous, the brother and successor of Jesus.
@@alexandaryu Well, if you did not get it yet, Mark is not an "evangelist". He is specialist of psychological warfare from the security services of the sect of John the Baptist. When Mark talks about John and James it is John the Baptist and James the (just) righteous -ROFL, monitoring performing "ministry"/circus of Jesus. They not real brothers... Writer of acts continuing the tune, pretending that there separate James, brother of John. It is the same James. Paul convinced Peter to incite riot and have James killed. Peter got arrested for that but got out eventually. Curiously, the real details of high security Herodian prison that were used on John the Baptist because he was a real dangerous troublemaker got textually transferred to Peter, who was just opportunist and a thug. Paul had the money all the way, but James did not want to play Paul's game because he was afraid of Jews in Jerusalem. Paul did not care about Jews single bit, and Peter sided with him and took over the sect in Jerusalem.
@@alexandaryu It is Mark's literary invention. There is no separate James, brother of John. When Mark talks about John and James he is talking about John the Baptist and James the Just supervising performing ministry of Jesus in person. Paul convinced Peter to incite riot and had James killed. Peter was arrested for that. Paul did not participate it in person, just by proxy.
Oh no!. Now I have to go back and reread these three books that I dont hardly remember anything about. And I will also have to go download greek pottery that has chicks and snakes on them and Odessyeus's and Agememnon's men on them. What about the snake eating into Paul's arm at the end of the last shipwreck that has absolutely no effect on him?. He is just walking around, macho Paul, on that island and everyone is amazed. Then he goes to Rome and they cut his head off--wait a minute. That is not in Acts. Dennis is a really groovy guy. Had no idea that Papius hypothesized a Q document way back when
What kind of mental masturbation is this!?! "We don't believe this, but what if....wait what...uhh..huh yeah...hhuh« " you sound ridiculous while trying to display your knowledge. Omg! Get it. "I have a crazy idea, so...to hell with Josephus and 'what's most probable' , I'm gonna do mental acrobat to support my claim...and just dismiss Joseph's. So silly.
Well Jacob , I'm glad to see that you used the uncorrupted version of 1st Clement BUT maybe it's not so authentic either ? Ifn the Clementine Homilies and the Recognitions of Clement , Peter is going up against "Simon Magus" (Paul) and Clement was a witness to the dialogue/debates that Peter had with "Simon Magus" (Paul) , so he , Clement , would have known that he taught contrary to Peter and wouldn't have been considered "righteous" , yet in both versions of 1st Clement he portrays him as being "righteous" , is the Clement of the Clementine literature really the same Clement that wrote 1st Clement or were both versions of 1st Clement tampered with ?
yep Paul is the Abbaddon & Apollyon refer to in Revelation his Teachings a Wormwood (Bitterness) to all who wants to follow Jesus...Paul founded The Churches or Candlesticks(evry person is a candlestick if you follow Jesus Teachings alone) located in The Left Side of The Boat or The West from Turkey, Egypt & towards Europe..The Right Side of The Boat are The 7 Churches of Asia ,from Middle East to India and The Far East..and this Direction is the Path that Jesus took when he said Follow Me, as one of the 2 the Final instructions of Jesus..first Cast your Net on the Right Side of The Boat..2. Follow Me..and Never Pauls path.
Tired of all the debunking cause we all know how all this bs came about!!!
Or do we ??? Lets get past all your knostic or watever you guys say and get to older stuff!!! Be alot interesting!!! Lets see if you guys do this!!!
You guys debunk this get us to what debunks this !!! The torah, bible, etc... lets get to the real !!! Who believes in a god that tells he has chosen 1 people !!! We all come from adam and eve ??? 😂😂
Why keep on talking about the bible??? Why not tell how the older religions the jews copied older books!!! Lets get to the real !!!
I take it that there is a kernel of history in the Exodus tale. The actual word Exodus might be equated with the word Expulsion. The 18th dynasty expelled the Hyksos. I think that event may well have been drawn in to give the Exodus account a taste of genuine history. The Egyptians originally being ‘enslaved’ by the Hyksos and (Ah)Mose [pharaoh] being the Egyptian’s saviour figure.
f off devils
The "Christianity" she's talking about that grew exponentially and rapidly was not the real pre-AD70 Christianity, which was an Israelite doomsday prepper cult. Like all historians, they believe that Christianity is one unbroken linear progression that began in AD33 and morphed into a non-Israelites group that spread all over the world. The truth is, genuine Christianity was pre-AD70 Christianity, an exclusively Israelite cult. Their story ended in AD70. The Christianity that followed was a Greek, faux version of Christianity that began as the Israelite Christians were fading into obscurity after their story had ended. Ever wonder why there are no Hebrew 'church fathers?' Ever wonder why there are no written records of debates or dialogues between the last Hebrew bishop in Jerusalem and the succeeding Greek bishop? Because there was an effort to obscure Israel's exclusive role in the gospel mission and the fact that the judgement and 'the end' had already happened in AD70. Because the Greek pretenders knew they were misappropriating bits and pieces of ancient Israel's redemptive narrative, creating a faux version of Christianity that endures today in various forms.
VERY INTERESTING!
Initially Saul was a persecutor of God's people, and was active in trying to prevent the spread of the gospel, but after Saul is gone and Paul is newly born - it is evident The Apostles Paul and Peter confront Simon Magus before Nero?
I am the walrus is referencing a conspiracy theory which proposes Paul McCartney died in the 60's in a car accident and was replaced by a Paul lookalike, I believe the Walrus reference in the song is because (according to the conspiracy) Paul's body was supposed to have been identified by one of his band mates after the accident and was described by them as looking like a walrus..... This was later put in a Beatles song , their songs and album covers post the switch are supposed to be filled with clues and hints alluring to the secret of the alleged switch and cover up of Paul's death , I don't believe it's true but it's easy to find material on the subject on KZread etc (allegedly lol )
Maestro: gracias for all your work. You & your guest have make great impact on my way of thinking. For about 3 o 4 years I been trying to understand Paul, and you has been great help. That beeb said, will you do a summery of your views on historical Paul, something like Paul for dummies. English is my second language and es summery will help me a lot. Gracias, maestro
Elaine Pagels makes a case that Gospel of John knows Gospel of Thomas and is explicitly countering it
Right as I typed that Mark addressed it, oops.
Is this is in "The Johannine Gospel in Gnostic Exegesis: Heracleon's Commentary on John." or "Beyond belief : the secret Gospel of Thomas"?
@@oker59 I read it in Beyond Belief
@@FacePaster makes sense - thanks for the response.
Not enough painting the story and motivations of the actors. James' death and Paul's possible involvement is one of the most fascinating stories ever told.
I have considered that Paul's mission was fueled by the guilt of James' murder. I think he planned it.