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I really am glad that Dr. Edwards joined Jacob on his channel for an impromptu discussion about how Jesus was viewed by current scholars of the Jesus Seminar and also how he was viewed by the contemporaries of his time. Yet, I differ on his assessment that Jesus was an unique figure in that time period. As we have heard from other scholars on @HV and/or @MVP, many of the channel subscribers are seeing a more well-rounded view of who Jesus was, how he fit into the culture of the time, how & why many the writers of that period wrote the Gospels about Jesus, and how they crafted the Jesus Mythology from other pre-existing Savior-Gods of that period and before. So, I am (honestly) delighted to hear the many different views that aid me in forming my own opinion, but I wish that Dr. Edwards can look deeper and try to see that he has a core bias toward the Jesus Story, which is due to being in Biblical Studies and also being a devout Christian. That sure makes a difference in how someone would perceive and would influence their scholarly research and (could possibly) alter the findings within their research.

@AlexADalton

3 ай бұрын

dude please stop....no serious academic believes Jesus is a mythology related to pre-existing savior gods. That is a theory that fell out of fashion among real scholars about 70 years ago.

God came down to earth, became his own son, sacrifice himself to himself to convince himself he has forgiven us. This is what we are expected to believe, i think it's not true it's kind of crazy, I believe it's manipulative.

@geraldmeehan8942

3 ай бұрын

The purpose IS control

@simonline1194

3 ай бұрын

No! YHWH is Tri-Personal - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Son is the son of the Father but, as the Second Person of the Trinity, He CANNOT be both God and God’s son?! 🤦‍♂️ The Second Person of the Trinity is God Himself (Jn.1:1) At the point at which the Son incarnates as the Messiah/Christ [the HUMAN incarnation of the Divine Creator, YHWH] He then comes into existence (by means of a SECOND (distinct but NOT separate) NATURE) as the Son of God (i.e. the HUMAN incarnation of YHWH) whilst remaining in Infinite, Eternal and Immutable Existence as YHWH (Jn.1:1). He does this in order to atone for the sin of the world (Jn.1:29; 1Jn.2:2) because without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness of sin (Heb.9:22). He does this so his Righteous Justice can be satisfied whilst at the same time forgiving sinners by grace. In this way, His integrity as Divine Creator God remains intact. He doesn’t want to condemn everyone to everlasting death but His Justice and Righteousness dictate that our sin must be punished. It is for this reason that God has incarnated as human as the supreme manifestation of Love (1Jn.4:8) in order to atone for the sin of the world (something of which YHWH, as Divine, is incapable). The idea of God ‘emptying Himself’ in order to incarnate as human is metaphysical heresy (Phil.2:6-7) a true oxy-moron if ever there was one. See the creed of St. Athanasius - Quicunque vult - Whosoever wilt. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

@simonline1194

3 ай бұрын

@@geraldmeehan8942 Does YHWH, as the absolute Divine Creator, Reality in the absolute sense, not have that absolute right to do whatever He wishes with any or all of what He has created?! In the same way YHWH is using Israel as the litmus test to expose the hearts of men and will violently judge all who oppose His absolute right to do with Israel exactly what He wants (Gen.12:1-3; Ps.2; Joel.2:28-3:21) Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

@ji8044

3 ай бұрын

It makes as much sense as arresting people today for a murder their ancestor committed 6,000 years ago.

@simonline1194

3 ай бұрын

@@ji8044 What makes as much sense?! It simply isn’t true that we know what you’re talking about just because you know what you’re talking about?! 🤦‍♂️ That’s why language, grammar and punctuation as aids de communication were invented. Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔😢

I'm Brian, and so are all free thinking and responsibly creating souls.

As a Buddhist, the answer to this question is as rational as it is logical.

Appreciate this channel and the excellent guests.

Jacob ... Your above link to his book is not working. Both (in the Description Area and in your pinned comment), the link is not working as of 3:27am (CST) on 4-2-2024. Please fix. Thank you.

@History-Valley

3 ай бұрын

I replaced the link.

I highly advise you to have Catherine Nixey on. Her two books on christianity are must reads and their themes have to be appreciated by more people

Thank you Dr Edwards, thank you Jacob

If he was crucified then not for Jewish blasphemy. He would be stoned like James the just. I reckon he was more like all the ever warrior messiahs

@hermanhale9258

3 ай бұрын

You've been listening to the Zionists.

The crucifixion story is imagery and prophecy. There are two appearances, the sacrifice and the resurrection. They occur within he same generation, at the end of the ages. The Son of David destroys all power, rule, and authority, 1Cor 15:25. In him, you have someone who can relate to you through his sacrifice. In David, the Cornerstone of Adam’s (the Christ), work of salvation, you have someone you can relate to through his salvation. Christ/Adam was sent to Yahweh/David by the Holy Spirit/God is Spirit to carry out Yahweh's plan of the salvation of those who became corrupted. Corruption is a part of the fabric of the universe. By his sacrifice, Christ justifies David when he speaks and, at his resurrection, vindicates him in his sentence. The Son himself will (also) be subjected to the “One” who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28 NABO)

Sayings of Jesus-who was in his presence to have quoted him to future scribes?

We have no need to be "saved". We do have a need to reject the belief that we will be tormented for all eternity in a "loving" god's torture chamber if we screw up.

@simonline1194

3 ай бұрын

If we do not repent of our sin and trust YHWH as our ONE AND ONLY SAVIOUR (Isa.43:11) then He will have no hesitation in granting us the desire of our hearts to be forever separated from Him. This is the Second Death (Rev.20:11-15). Since we have been created to be in everlasting blessed fellowship with our Divine Creator, annihilation is not an option. We either exist in everlasting blessed fellowship with our Creator (Jn.17:3) or in a state of everlasting death without Him. Since God is Life (Jn.14:6) and total existence apart from God (something that humans do not yet experience) is everlasting death (Rev.20:11-15) those are the only two options. There can be no third option. Unlike sinful humans, God does not do ‘disposable people’ but neither does He do ‘enforced fellowship’ (Universalism - that everyone will be saved is also a myth). We must make the right choice or suffer the consequences (Heb.9:27). For the record, it isn’t a case of our ‘screwing up’?! We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are born sinners and as such are condemned already because of the Justice and Righteousness of our Creator. If that were the whole picture then we would all be experiencing the Second Death eventually but it isn’t the whole picture. God is also Love (1Jn.4:8) and that Love compels Him to make a way for men to be redeemed and spend forever in fellowship with Him (1Jn.2:2). This is why the Messiah came to die and then be resurrected (Jn.17:3). Simonline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

@apotropoxyz6685

3 ай бұрын

@@simonline1194 You "We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are born sinners and as such are condemned..." Yahweh gave us free will knowing full well which of us would use it in a way that sent us to hell. Your god is pure evil. Are you sure you are not really worshiping Satan?

The New Testament raised the bar of being a prophet so high they killed the profession.

A little known Messiah that Christians sacrificed to orthodoxy, Emperor Julian II - who was more Christlike and Godly than any of those who conspired to assassinate him after he stopped the persecution of "pagan" Christians and planned to build the Hebrews a 3rd temple for their chosen god. The word translated as "pagan" or "heathen", apostos, means "unfaithful", and many many people of ALL religions and cults these days are more faithful to the adversary than God, beasts unworthy of doing more than cropping grass in the highest heaven

@tyronecox5976

3 ай бұрын

Nonsense Pagan just means country dweller, Titus was the Chrestus author of All biblical scripture, Pagan,Isis/Serapis Chrestus worship, Isis Wisdom O Birther The Holy spirit as in the book of Sirach.Matthew 26 53 tells you who's author and Messiah when he asks his father for 12 Legions of Angels to destroy Jerusalem.

@theomnisthour6400

3 ай бұрын

@@tyronecox5976 I think you are spouting the hateful nonsense, the narrative of the adversary invasion of christology to sow division and corruption, best typified by the offshoots of the 1666 Satanic antimessiah, Sabbatai Zevi - whose Frankist followers have invaded all the world's power cults and organizations

@theomnisthour6400

3 ай бұрын

@@tyronecox5976 and the word in the original Greek gospels is not "pagan", a Latin word, but "apostos", the Greek word that does mean "unfaithful". Think before you attack next time

If one presuposes that jesus was a historical man, one will assume all mythical parallels as later christology. If one presuposes jesus a mythical being, one assumes all human actions are later historicing. If you presupose neither, you are forced to look at the only real evidence: the heavily edited text....

Apart from the Greek, Hindu, and Roman God's, he is promoted as the only Savior. The promotion part is problematic. Jesus was said to die for everyone's sins. 😮

Yes, since Jesus means savior... oh! wait! 😆

@tyronecox5976

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, Matthew 26 53 gives you author and Messiah when he asks his father for 12 Legions of Angels, Pontius meaning God of the sea Pilate meaning armed with a dart.

Salvator Mundi. Yes. Who cares what the Jesus Seminar concluded? They were up to no good.

Ken Humphries channel "Jesus Never Existed" explains the difference between a wandering Jewish preacher named Yeshua and a Jewish godman hero, Jesus, performing miracles and saving humanity from an imaginary curse placed on us by his imaginary father Yahweh.

Jesus isn’t our saviour, YHWH is (Isa.43:11). The Messiah [the Son] is our Saviour ‘by extension’ because He is the HUMAN incarnation of YHWH (Jn.1:1,14) in order to atone for the sin of the world (Jn.1:29). Something of which the Divine Nature is absolutely incapable (which is why YHWH has had to incarnate as human in the first place and why Jesus of Nazareth cannot possibly be Divine (i.e. God))?! 🤦‍♂️ Check out the creed of St. Athanasius - ‘Quicunque vult’ - Whosoever wilt… Simonline🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

Watch the video. Jesus taught in parables. Notice how nobody today pays attention to the parables? Ask yourselves: why not? "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." - Mark 13:31. What words? His parables.

@iwilldi

3 ай бұрын

And we still don't have the words from John the baptist, Jesus, Peter or the other eleven... (from thze parable of the sower)