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@hahaloser3914

2 ай бұрын

erhman dont even know the basics of quran or arabic to begin with,he aint even a quran schoolar so he shouldnt try to attack the quran when he dont have a clue

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

Islam/Sunni Muslims dont believe Jesus was crucified and swooned - that is a sofi idea taught by deedat and she'uh bareveli preacher imran nazir hosein. Sunnis learn it appeared that Jesus was crucified, maybe a switch.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

small amount of sofis like deedat or she'i imran n hosein say Jesus swooned on the cross. Some say a person volunteered to take Jesus's place other's say similar to what basilides said, a switch took place.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

Islam fixes! we see in 4 gospeI rec. Jesus agrees with Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him and later bibIe tries to change that. 1. Luke 3.22 nrsvue footnote, early manuscript says h. spirit says **today I beget thee** - as an aduIt, like David. so Jesus is human only or is David in trinity too? Some ppl use ambiguous verses Jon 10 :30 - Father & I are 1. Jon 17 :22 - Me and my disciples are 1 w/ God. Reply : So is God 1 or 15? Can't be 3 in 1 if consistent. Jon 17:5 - Glorify me like before creation. Jobe 38.4-7. Many angels were before creation. Reply : Are angels god too? Jon 17 :3 - You are the only true God. 4. I finish my work (before cruci-FICTION & after praying for the comforter prophet like Moses) Clear Verse!

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

2. Mark 8.12 says this generation gets no sign. - Mathew again changes mark & says this generation gets sign of jona, so cruci-FICTION symbolism is added to later gospeIs, a change in Jesus's words! Mathew 21.38-43 says the cruci-FICTION attemt will take away blessings from his ppl & give it to the fruitful aka Ismail in genesis 17! Mark 15.40, mathew 27.55 & luke 23.46 all say Jesus's crew is at a distance so likely couldn't see right, & Simon carried the cros many think switched w/ Jesus. - Jon 19 says simon didn't carry the cros and put Jesus's crew next to the cross, so is jon right? If so mark, mathew & luke unreliable then!

I love Ehrman's vagueness here!😂 Basically saying, "just buy the seminar!"

Sounds like Bart Ehrman misspoke, the Quran doesn't say that Jesus was crucified. It says the opposite of that as read in Surat An-Nisa' [4:157] "but they killed him not, nor crucified him".

@mazbrow2692

2 ай бұрын

Maybe it was the result of reading the novel Davinci Code which tells the story of Jesus who survived after being taken down from the cross and healed from his wounds, then went to France, then married, had children and founded the Priory of Sion

@ameerameer9235

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!! I had a high degree of trust about his knowledge before watching this video !!!

@user-id1zo2bl6h

2 ай бұрын

So who was crucified ? and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so. Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him.

@robinharwood5044

2 ай бұрын

@@user-id1zo2bl6h Probably the story of Jesus being crucified was made up. It certainly looks as though it was adapted from the story Josephus tells about rescuing three men from crucifixion, and having them cared for by doctors. Two died, but one survived.

@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543

2 ай бұрын

@@user-id1zo2bl6h 1 opinion saus a young man volunteered to be in his place with his image on him. Another says like basilides he was switched by sipome one.

It seems that without false prophets we likely would have no prophets at all.

@bubbag8895

2 ай бұрын

Lol ... Plenty of people filling in in the traditional role of a prophet of YHWH

@abdullahimusa9761

2 ай бұрын

of course, great tautology!

@dbaargosy4062

2 ай бұрын

perhaps deceptions were fathered in such most ancient creatures as the serpent ... or you have Savior God Sent One For Them Who Feared God Who He Called His Children And Surely Within They Will Be My Children And I Will Be Their God.... That Is Our Beginning And Greatest Fear, Counted For Love B. T. B. (by the book) see how unhip I be.

Javid is not a muslim.he is ex muslim

They think he is a prophet

I love the background that you're using. It's so beautiful. It makes me think of watching a campfire. So peaceful. ❤

@nathanaelsmith3553

2 ай бұрын

He's burning in hell for heresy

The thing about Luke 4:18 verse is that it is similar to the verse of Acts 7:43 verse

The original writing was written not by Septugint writer's but by Hebrew writers

I appreciate this channel more than words can express.

Actually, the very idea of comparing the NT and the Quran is flawed. It’s like comparing oranges with apples. It’s a category/genre error. The NT is mostly a collection of contradictory biographies of Jesus, whereas the Quran is not a biography of the Prophet Muhammad AT ALL. It carries no personal details about him. The NT, biographies of Jesus, can be compared only to the biographies of the Prophet and not to the Quran, a different genre/category/form altogether. And furthermore, the NT carries details of ONLY three yeas max of Jesus ministry which abruptly ended in the very stage of its takeoff. On the contrary, the Prophet Muhammad’s biography carries details of his 23-year-long ministry, covering details from his birth to death, without any gaps or missing years (remember 18 dark years of Jesus’ life). So, to be fair, only three initial years of the Prophet’s ministry should be compared to the three yeas of the ministry of Jesus. Who knows what type of events would have marked the latter’s life, had he lived another 20 years? Similarly, if the Prophet hadn’t survived beyond the third year of his ministry, his life would have been a story of extreme oppression, harassment, rejection, and pain and nothing else. The NT cannot be compared even to the hadith which is (not on a par though with the Quran) record of the Prophet’s words and deeds. It may be compared in some way to the Gospel of Thomas alone, even though the latter lacks chain of narrators. Remember, the hadith and the Life of the Prophet are not parts of the holy Scripture in Islam. The Quran alone has that distinction.

who does it serve?

Thank you

Perhaps it would be useful to regard the Qur'an as the third book in a trilogy? And therefore essential reading for biblical scholars. God in the Qur'an claims that the Jews were his Chosen People (until the relationship turned sour). So, it's all just the one God from the very beginning. His nature in the Qu'ran is the same jealous vindictive one found in the Old Testament.

As a researcher in Arab/Islamic heritage, I'm disappointed by Dr. Bart false claims about what the Quran says about Jesus !! He repeated twice that the Quran says Jesus was crucified but didn't die while in fact the Quran clearly denies he was crucified !!!!! I'm now more skeptic about his claims regarding his knowledge about biblical studies !

@robinharwood5044

2 ай бұрын

The Ahmaddiya sect takes the line that the Qur’an means “he wasn’t killed by crucifixion”, not that he wasn’t put on the cross at all. Many orthodox Muslims think that someone else was substituted for Jesus and crucified. That view has no support in the text, and the Ahmaddiya interpretation seems a bit of a stretch.

@CMA418

2 ай бұрын

Be skeptical of everyone, religious, atheist or otherwise. Edit: More importantly, be skeptical of yourself, your own ideas, and your ability to correctly interpret and correctly implement the ideas of others. Accept you are capable of self-deception and susceptible to confirmation bias.

_Why does Bart have a painting of Barbara Bush?_

@Giantcrabz

2 ай бұрын

lol fr

I wish that a great scholar like you choses a real knowledge Muslim Scholar instead of a guy like Jawad

What are you looking at?

It would have been better if you had just interviewed Dr Jawad Hashmi, instead of just trying to guess or assume what his views are with regards to the Quran.

Dr ehrman should take time to study the Quran just like he does with the Bible. I have so much respect about his knowledge.

Violence would and does exist with or without religion

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

"More Violins. More Violins." I shouted, but I fear I was misunderstood. God vs God (Is I vs I Am) began in Israel on Oct. 7th 2023. It will expand: versus Not God (Daniel 7: 7) vs No god (atheism) in the Name of GAUD (secret societies) -- Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur. THEN the Great Re-Set on the autumn equinox of 2026 when THEY unveil the NEON GAUD -- the abomination of our desolation. Final Judgement for the devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) is set for 10/10/26 -- Daniel 7: 9-14. As for the rest of us beasts, our lives shall be prolonged and the Saints will share Jesus' Gospel of the brotherhood of all men and women with all the nations. And when two-thirds of the people understand with their hearts, THEN Jesus will return in GLORY -- as He promised -- and not to destroy. About 2160. So MANY so horribly taught. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. Trump is antiChrist. The Dems CANNOT save us. 100's of millions deceived by false prophets. Matthew 24: 24. Our Civil War will be uncivil -- women and children first for the Win-Win-Win. There won't be a Next Generation and the devil will have proven Mankind unfit for God's kingdom. Q cues the coup.

In Islam Jesus is the Messiah he is not divine at all and he was not sent to die for the sins of the world. He was sent as the Messiah and a Prophet of God and he will ķill the Dajjal who Christians call the antichrist when he comes. But Jesus is considered the Messiah in Islam. It doesn't mean a god like savior dying for the sins of the world. It simply means anointed.

@jedsithor

2 ай бұрын

Right. Jesus (Isa) in Islam skews closer to the Jewish Messiah, the anointed king who will destroy their enemies and establish a new kingdom. I think in Islam, Isa is more like a general, leading the armies of God and is just as (if not more) important as Muhammed but culturally, preference is given to Muhammed among Muslims because he's their guy.

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

God vs God -- Is I vs I Am -- began in Israel on Oct. 7th 2023. It will expand: versus Not God (Daniel 7: 7) vs No God (atheism), in the NAME of GAUD (secret societies) Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur. Hint: Adam and Eve's Ur. The devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) intend to absolve themselves by proving Mankind unfit for God's kingdom with a worldwide war. "After all," the devil argues, "Jesus, HIMSELF, tried to teach these beasts to love one another, 1,994 years ago -- almost two full days in Heaven. Surely, the Ancient of Days will judge Man at fault. Or Jesus. Not Me." 2 Peter 3: 8 Matthew 5: 44-48 The devil is delusional -- Daniel 7: 9-14 -- but OVER 93% of men and women are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. They "see" and "hear" nothing -- except perhaps, once or twice in a lifetime, while asleep. We call that Normal. Are you any different? It has always been like this -- as in the days of Noah. Final judgment for the devil and dragon is set for 10/10/26. As for the rest of us beasts, our lives shall be prolonged and the Saints will share Jesus' Gospel of the brotherhood of all men and women with all the nations. And when two-thirds of the people understand with their hearts, THEN Jesus will return in GLORY -- as He promised -- and not to destroy. about 2160. So MANY so horribly taught. So MANY so nearly deaf and blind spiritually.

@fomg199

2 ай бұрын

@@jedsithornot true they also believe in a guy called the mehdi who comes with isa

@ordinaryoperator

2 ай бұрын

@@fomg199 Comes before Isa, but is not is 'The Messiah' as in 'Al Masih'. Mahdi is not going to claim to be the Messiah, neither he will claim to be the Mahdi, but rather he will be put into that position by people because of his skills, and then during the fight with the anti-Christ, the real Isa Al Masih (The Messiah) will appear right before the prayer, and will pray with the Muslims. Then, he is going to kill the Anti-Christ by beheading him, he's going to behead him so that he can let people know that he is no divine being but a human who bleeds.

@fomg199

2 ай бұрын

@@ordinaryoperator Isa is a false prophet and the mehdi is the antichrist you Muslims don’t even know what the messiah and the messiah doesn’t need this mejdi 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

in the Quran, Jesus (Issa) is actually called the Messiah but it din't mean the savior of the world since it was mentioned in other places that he was a normal human being. could be a misuse of the word Messiah by the Quran author/s since it is not an Arabic word.

@ahmadissa8033

2 ай бұрын

Messiah does not mean saviour literally. It just means annoyted, as it does in arabic, so that was the literal term it is used for in the Quran

@user-id1zo2bl6h

2 ай бұрын

@@ahmadissa8033 anointed for what purpose?

@ordinaryoperator

2 ай бұрын

@@user-id1zo2bl6h Annointed as a Prophet for Israel. Annointed as the one who Allah will save and preserve until the end times where he will return to defeat the Anti-Christ.

@user-id1zo2bl6h

2 ай бұрын

@@ordinaryoperator thank you for your reply. Can you please point to a verse in your holy book with this definition? Can you also quote the verse when Jesus comes back to defeat the enemy!

@ordinaryoperator

2 ай бұрын

@@user-id1zo2bl6h Nope. Most of these understandings are from the Prophetic tradition- the Hadith. We have this regarding the return of Jesus the Messiah. 43:61 (The 'he' here is Jesus).

By their fruits ye shall know them. C.E.? Compound Error?

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

The Urantia Book dates Jesus' birth as August 21, 7 BC, and His resurrection -- the morning the stone was found already rolled away -- as April 9th 30 AD. Of course, that's not proof, but it's one source with dates. Published in 1955, The Urantia Book claims to be the Fifth Epochal Revelation of God to Man. Of course, it is as much a leap of faith to believe that, as it is to believe the Bible. Paper 66 adds clarity to the Sumerian Tablets. Paper 62 explains why the missing link is not missing. Free to read online -- easy to find. KZread probably still has the audio version posted. PS the first of the Great American Eclipses was on August 21, 2017. And the last one was April 8th 2024. But almost no one "saw" anything besides an eclipse. Matthew 16: 4 Jonah 3: 8 The stone has been rolled away; the seals are being opened, all shall be revealed, new scriptures shall be recorded. But OVER 93% of men and women are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. We call that, Normal. Are you any different? It has always been like this -- as in the days of Noah.

@kencreten7308

2 ай бұрын

Ye? Are you stuck in King James time? You don't have to use that anymore.

@user-rq1dm3ny3s

2 ай бұрын

@@humboldthammer Clear as mud.

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He can be a bible scholar but definitely not a Quran scholar, which is sad for a person in this caliber, I mean u spent your whole life on bible and now you are saying you were wrong, why don’t you spend few years on Quran just to see to what is this book saying, at least just to satisfy your intellectual curiosity if you have any left,

In a paper titled “Who Killed Jesus? A New Reading of the Quran (4:157)”, I have explained that the Quran 4:157 does not say the Jews did not kill Jesus. Rather, the Quran narrates the Jews’ own second claim [qawl] that they in person did not kill Jesus but that blame [of killing Jesus] was thrown upon them via some suppositions. In a word, the second saying [qawl] in Q. 4:157 that begins with “…AND they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him…” belongs to the Jews , but not to the Quran. It is not the Quran’s response to the first saying. The Quran reports this second saying in the form of indirect speech. That’s it. Simply, the Quran does not say “they [Jews] did not kill him [Jesus]…”, but rather the Quran narrates [gives] the Jews’ well-known saying [qawlihim] at the time that “they did not kill him,…”, and, so on so… “They did not kill him [Jesus]…” is the word [qawl] of the Jews’ self; not the Quran’s response to them. Namely, the Quran only repeats well-known accusations and counter responses in history in regard with the Crucifixion. So, no new news in the East.

@saburrashid5566

2 ай бұрын

Quran clearly states that Jesus did not die nor was he crucified but Allah raised him up . If you trust a fake Muslim scholar about Quran then good luck with that .

@robinharwood5044

2 ай бұрын

Interesting. I have never seen that interpretation before.

@ercel9750

2 ай бұрын

@@saburrashid5566 Let me explain a little more. The proof is in the Quran. The Quran in 4:157 begins narrating contemporary sayings of the Jews on their role in the Crucifixion. The verse begins with the phrase “ Qawlihim…” It means: “their sayings” or “their claims”, or “their [false] claims”, or “their conjectures”, and etc. The word “qawl” describing someone’s sayings should put all of his saying(s) after that point into a doubtful position. Therefore, if some Jews had said we killed Jesus then it is already a “qawil” saying, so it is inherently false. It is false because the Quran already says it is ‘qawil’. There is no need to contradict this kind of ‘qawil’ claims. This is the first group of the Jews. What about the others? Namely, the mainstream Jews and their response about the crucifixion? Be careful after that point. Because this same verse narrates the views of the mainstream [second] group of the Jews. How? The Quran continues describing the other view of this second group. Q.4:157 says: “their sayings [is that]: [1]…. ; AND [2] they did not kill him…” Here, [1] is the first group; [2] is the view of the second group. And also look at the the role of the additive particle “WA” (AND) its role in the sentence. Is it not clear? The particle WA between the sayings [1] AND [2] signal us that another saying is coming after the first one. Simply and clearly, the Jews’ [second] qawl is that: “They did not kill him…”; and continues. It continues to explain why they [Jews] think they did not kill him [Jesus] [directly]. At that time, like today, the Jews may have had multiple views in regard to their role in the Crucifixion. It is normal the Jews as a whole nation never ever did accept their direct role and responsibility in the crucifixion. This is very normal and in line with the historical arguments. The Quran only gives these two different approaches of the Jews and its [the Quran] own response to them….So simple. My point is that the wording, the grammatical reading and also literal reading of Q. 4:157 never ever testify the existent commentaries. Add it the historical facts. The ‘mainstream’ Jews never ever confessed an active role in the crucifixion. The Quran in this Crucifixion issue is in line with the mainstream arguments between the Jews and the Christians. No deviation.

God don't lose wars but Islam does

Thank you Dr Ehrman, thank you Jacob. If I'm not mistaken although Isa may not be the messiah in the Koran he does have a second coming

@jedsithor

2 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he IS the Messiah in the Quran. He isn't the Messiah in the way Christianity frames it i.e. the son of God, that's a purely Christian invention. The Jewish Messiah is supposed to be a king of the Jews of who will defeat their enemies and establish a new kingdom on Earth (which is probably closer to what Jesus thought he was) and I believe the Islamic Messiah, Isa has a similar role, essentially leading the armies of God. Isa is one of, if not the most important figures in Islamic mythology but preference is given to Muhammed by Muslims as the founder of their religion.

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

The Mahdi returns with Jesus according to the Koran. Together, they set the world straight. God vs God (Is I vs I Am) began in Israel on Oct. 7, 2023. It will expand: versus Not God (Daniel 7: 7) vs No god (atheism), in the Name of GAUD (secret societies) -- Grand Architect of Ur Destruction -- Abraham's Ur. The devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) intend to absolve themselves by proving Mankind unfit for God's Kingdom with a worldwide war. "After all," the devil argues, "Jesus, HIMSELF, tried to teach these beasts to love one another 1,994 years ago -- almost two full days in Heaven. Surely, the Ancient of Days will judge Man at fault. Or Jesus. Not Me." 2 Peter 3: 8 Matthew 5: 44-48 The devil is delusional -- Daniel 7: 9-14 -- but OVER 93% of men and women are nearly deaf and blind spiritually. We call that, Normal. Are you any different? It has always been like this -- as in the Days of Noah. hint: Trump is antiChrist. 100's of millions deceived by false prophets. Matthew 24: 24. The Dems CANNOT save us. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. So MANY so horribly taught. DCLXVI = 666 in Roman Numerals. Vicarius Filii Dei adds up to 661, unless U=V, as it did in Old Latin. Then it counts up as six hundred sixty six. Revelation 13: 18. The Catholic Church is the same, unreformed Whore of Babylon that she was in 1517. The Republican CHURCH became the synagogue of Satan -- Revelation 3: 9.

@johanmalm8378

2 ай бұрын

And he kills the devil.

@dannyhuskerjay

2 ай бұрын

The Quran actually makes no mention of a second coming. The hadiths do though.

@Al-bq5yr

2 ай бұрын

@@dannyhuskerjay Isn't it implied in the Koran 4:157 - Clear states that he was NOT killed. We also know from 29:57 ... "Every soul will taste death. Then to Us will you be returned." - Surah Al-Ankabut (29:57) The Hadith confirms what's implied!

The writer of the book of Luke wrote Septuagint into the gospel of Luke by adding the word, ("the blind,") and in Acts 7:43 verse the writer of the book of Acts wrote ('lifted up the shrine of Molech and the star of your god Rephan their idols.....') From the Septugint.

Why does anyone believe in a trinity? Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.” Anyone who believes that Messiah is NOT the son of G_d, is antichrist. Simple. Messiah is the High Priest.

What happened to BART? Did he lose his knowledge?

I am eager to find out what 'contradictions' Ehrman finds in Quran. That is usually due to (1) mistranslation, (2) missing the scope of the narrative. It is very condensed.

@thomasrhodes5013

2 ай бұрын

I use the Quran as a prayer book often times reading the text aloud. I have 35 years of this practice and several paperback editions were used over time. The Quran is not written well in any translation. I have noticed there are many times that the word Allah is not used and instead 1st person plural is employed. This occurs so often that it seems that some actions are a community decision rather than Gods dictate. I read this now as not only a prayer book but also as an investigation into the environmental predicates of the authorship. This is just something I do.

@almazchati4178

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasrhodes5013 It is very difficult to translate. An exposition is necessary. Then, there are implicit references to other parts to set the stage. Also, translations are influenced by what may have happened at the time of the revelation, which narrows the scope as well as may cause misinterpretation. Anyway, it is amazing.

@Mehdi_Haned

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasrhodes5013Are you talking about the "royal we" ? As in sometimes Allah does something and it is mentioned that "We did this"? This is actually not a mistranslated. It is known as the "royal we". When a king or monarch speaks they may sometimes speak in plural "We shall do this" instead of "I shall do this". This is a part of the Arabic language and also in English. Allah is the king of kings so he will use "we" as a form of showing his high status. Again, as an arabic speaker, I can tell you that the 1st person plural is also in the original arabic text

@thomasrhodes5013

2 ай бұрын

@@Mehdi_Haned There is no "royal we". There is a "royal you" and it is used when addressing an external conceptual crowd. You are mistaken even when I employ the Quran as my benchmark perspective. The first-person plural implies partnership with the Divine. That is HARAM so this is the voice of administrator[s].

@firozebachu5601

2 ай бұрын

The Koran is clear...they neither killed nor crucified him....where are you getting the crucifixion from😮

I'm very very sad that my favourite biblical scholar erroneously attributes to the Koran what the Koran expressly denies. Pls see for yourself! In the Qur'an, the verses that mention the crucifixion and the claim that Jesus was NOT KILLED OR CRUCIFIED can be found in Surah An-Nisa (Chapter 4), Verse 157. Here is the verse in context: (Translation Arberry: ) Koran 4:157: and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God' -- yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him; they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they slew him not of a certainty -- no indeed; - Surah An-Nisa (4:157)

4:50 ❌ surat 4:157 - Saheeh International

@ercel9750

2 ай бұрын

In Q. 4:157, TWO different approaches of the Jews on the Crucifixion are presented. The first one is given until the additive conjunction “WA” (AND). “WA” implies that a second view of the Jews [in addition to the first one] is to be given. And, it is given… As can be seen in the translation you have cited. Like, ‘this AND that’. Like, their sayings: A AND B. Their [second] qawil is: “…AND they did not kill him…” Namely, the Jews’ self claim: “… AND they did not kill him [Jesus]…” They say “… they did not kill him [directly]…” Bart Ehrman, for this or that reason, intuitively realizes the correct meaning of this verse…

Jawad is unknown to be a moslem scholar....!!! To be scholar you have to read the Quran in Arabic... Does Javad know how to read & understand Arabic?????????

Dr. Bart, please check out Ibn Ishaq's Life of the Prophet. A method for confirming the prophets mentioned in the Didache is there

Bart Ehrman has said it. Jesus profiles confirm that he was a Jewish prophet, not divine.

This guy is wrong about the Quran with its take on Jesus crucifixition and also wrong on the biblical history of Christianity. Christ needed to die to fulfill ancient Hebrew prophecy so to claim that those jews at the time didnt want him to die is pure idiocy. Gnostic beliefs of Christ believed he didn't die which are the same beliefs of Islam

People kill each other over these myths.

@intello8953

2 ай бұрын

So people only kill for “myths”? Did you just forget what happened in Europe in the 18th, 19th and what happened in the 20th century? 🤨

@sofianeabdelkrimbouterfas5457

2 ай бұрын

and over some oil too!

We raised the Mount over them ˹as a warning˺ for ˹breaking˺ their covenant and said, “Enter the gate ˹of Jerusalem˺ with humility.” We also warned them, “Do not break the Sabbath,” and took from them a firm covenant. ˹They were condemned˺ for breaking their covenant, rejecting Allah’s signs, killing the prophets unjustly, and for saying, “Our hearts are unreceptive!”it is Allah Who has sealed their hearts for their disbelief, so they do not believe except for a few-and for their denial and outrageous accusation against Mary, and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him-it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever-only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him. Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise. Every one of the People of the Book will definitely believe in him before his death.1 And on the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness against them.

@komaichan99

2 ай бұрын

Angel Michael, descendant of David Two bodies make up Jesus Christ At the time of baptism, Michael entered Mary's son Jesus. It returned to heaven when the Gethsemane prayer.

One religion for Bnei Ishmael and one religion for Bnei Esau - they wanted all the pagans to be Noachides.

Is the host AI?

@kencreten7308

2 ай бұрын

Jacob is not AI.

I tired of these scholars treating these topics with kids gloves...The main claims are completely unsubstantiated.... BS. Could you imagine these Biblical scholars investigating something modern like the Manson family and their claims that Charlie was Jesus and preformed miracles. They'd create another savoir.

Their is no author's in the quran just author.

@dannyhuskerjay

2 ай бұрын

Authors. To much contradictions and very different from the Hadiths (which are the Islamic prophet Mohammad’s real thoughts)

Are we still living in the era of the New Testament? Or, in other words, the Christian era (C.E.).

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

Beginning with 12 Apostles, and perhaps 1,000 believers, 1,994 years later, they now number well over one billion. But only 20 million Jews. Truly, their house was left desolate. 1.4 billion Chinese prove that THEY are the superior race, because more of them than any other race, have survived into modern times -- mostly because they are more peaceful than the other races of men. Trump is antiChrist. 100's of millions deceived by false prophets. Matthew 24: 24. Q cues the coup. Final judgement for the devil and dragon (Revelation 12: 12-13) is set for 10/10/26. Daniel 7: 9-14. As for the rest of us beasts, our lives shall be prolonged while the Saints share Jesus' Gospel of the brotherhood of all men and women with all the nations. And when two-thirds of the people understand with their hearts, THEN Jesus will return in GLORY, as He promised, and not to destroy. So MANY so Horribly taught. About 2160.

Jesus was not crucified was the belief of early followers of Jesus .. Jesus would have told the story to his disciples if he was really resurrected.. Think about it and it’s all conjecture 😮

@fomg199

2 ай бұрын

No all the disciples of Jesus believed he was crucified he even said he would be crucified 😂😂

I'm an Aluminate ' that teaches One Humanitarian Truth Under God. I can explain the Bible and the Quran easily. The Quran was mainly to clear up the fact that Jesus is not God and the Trinity is wrong, something that Christians were fighting over. It's a further explanation of the Old and New Testament. Ita prophetic book that was spoken through Mohammed by the Angel Gabriel. Muslims misinterpreted what Gabriel meant about the crucifixion. Jesus never died on the cross because none of us actually die (Matthew 10:28) because his spirit, which is really him didn't die. So that's why the Quran says Jesus appeared to be crucified and killed but he wasn't instead he was raised up to God's divine presence in heaven. You don't go into the spirit world in a body. Remember true religion is about holy behavior. Man pollutes and divides God's teachings with different and wrong man made interpretations, so God sends more scripture to clear things up. Pride and other sinful self interests keep people from seeing this.

Silly Javad is not a scholar there are no issues with quran bring any if there are.

The Koran was probably written by one guy, where as the New Testament is really 17 books.

@dannyhuskerjay

2 ай бұрын

Most scholars agree the Quran was written by multiple people over multiple years. Lots of different messages and far different from the hadiths which are more in line to what the Islamic prophet Mohammad really thought.

@phillipanon7139

2 ай бұрын

​@@dannyhuskerjayPlease dont lie! Multiple scholars? Can you name one?

@markstuber4731

2 ай бұрын

@@dannyhuskerjay I'm sure their were errors in copying and probably a few interpolations. Is that what you're talking about? Or is your claim the different sutras are affectly different books that, people decided to put in a single volume 200 plus years after they were written?

Bart ignoring his debate with Jimmy Akin. I don't accept the NT has massive contradictions that's can't be reconciled. I'm yet to see any.

@jedsithor

2 ай бұрын

There's lots of them. You just don't want to see them. From whether or not Mary, Joseph and Jesus returned straight to Galilee or fled to Egypt to whether Judas hung himself or fell and split his guts open. Then there's the issue of Pilate. Which each progressive Gospel, Pilate is made more and more innocent to the point where it goes from the Romans crucifying Jesus to the Jewish authorities crucifying Jesus. In one story, a girl is dying and her father asks Jesus to heal her but by the time he gets there, she's dead and Jesus raises her. That same story in another gospel has the girl being dead from the start. There's lots of minor and major differences between the Gospels, which by the way is pretty normal. The authors are writing decades after the events. They weren't eye witnesses to the events (they aren't the disciples, the names on the Gospels were added afterwards, the actual authors are anonymous) and they're essentially writing down the stories they've been told in their various Christian communities and if you've ever played telephone, you'll know that stories change the more they're passed on, to say nothing of the personal biases and intent of the various authors in writing their books. So you'd expect there to be some significant differences and there are, which isn't necessarily a problem unless you believe that the Gospels are all meant to be accurate accounts.

@TaxEvasi0n

2 ай бұрын

@@jedsithor How many angels were there at Jesus' tomb? 1 is still part of 2. I see your point, and I too did think that the gospels had to be 100% perfect, meaning no room for interpretational error. I acknowledge there are some differences, and some apparent major ones. But you need to understand, there's an entire field of apologetics dedicated to answering them. So for someone who doesn't believe in God or the Bible, you will surely use your bias to find a methodology that suits you, and vice versa. Everyone has their methodology. Someone could come along and then say they believe Jesus was the son of a Roman soldier, that ol' chestnut. What does the evidence suggest? It suggests that these writers for the Old Testament believe exactly what they say, even Bart has said he believes they believe what they say. A commentary from 4 different angles of the same event with some things added or left out doesn't mean anything, are they to be a copy and paste of eachother? Surely not. My belief in God is rooted in science, philosophy and supported by archeological finds that corroborate the Bible. If God exists, which I honestly feel as if He has to with how the world is, then the Bible must be the truth. Islam is not even an option here. Hinduism is a downgrade with it's deism. The only salvation message that makes sense is the gospel of the Bible, and nothing compares to it. So I guess you could say for me it's a big case of evidence as to why I believe, and it's very decentralised. I believe the gospels give us enough information to get us over the line for truth, and I'm sure there is a reason as to why some things may not align smoothly in the Bible.

@huttj509

2 ай бұрын

@stockpluginsonly And neither of them include those guts turning into pidgeons and flying away, as told in the account of ijustmadeitup. Anything can be reconciled with anything.

Matthew 27 17. Net bible , New American bible,good News translation and New translation version. It 's writte so when the crowd had gathered,pilate asked them , which one do you want me to release to you jesus barrabas,or jesus who called christ .there were two jesus so pilate arrested the false jesus and released the true jesus

I just had this discussion with a Christian because they laugh at Muslims for believing Jesus spoke as a baby. They say we got the story from the infancy of Thomas. My question is the Bible has the story of Mary and Joseph now Mary is married to Joseph and pregnant how did Mary and Joseph prove to their people that Mary was a virgin? In the Qur'an there is no Joseph Mary is not married. How would Muhammad know there is no Joseph how would he know to distinguish between the stories of the infancy of Thomas and the account of Matthew what is true? The Qur'an says Mary has Jesus and comes back to her people carrying a baby and they believe she has had ŝè× out of wedlock. How does she prove she is a virgin? Jesus speaks and defends his mother honor. In the Bible how do Mary and Joseph prove to their people that even though Mary is married and pregnant she is still a virgin? Now I have heard a little about the Gospel of Thomas and I heard there is a verse when Jesus gets a little older he is kind of arrogant and uses his powers for mischief and isn't very nice to his mother. I find it mind boggling that the Qur'an addresses that claim. The Qur'an says 19:32 And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest. Now Muhammad was unlettered so if someone read this story to him and if was taking from these Gospel to make the Qur'an he wouldn't know what's false and what's the truth so he would go by what Christians deem the truth he wouldn't choose what Christians deem as false. And what Christian would admit to Muhammad we corrupted our Scripture so Muhammad can tell everyone all about it? No way Muhammad could know what Scholars now know about the Bible before Bible Scholars. They had to study the Bible for how long? And Muhammad hears a Bible verse once and knows it's corrupted? Anyone who is sincere would have to admit no way Muhammad just heard verses from the Bible and thought this whole story about Jesus is corrupted. When he didn't even know about Jesus before becoming a Prophet.

@epona1525

2 ай бұрын

We don't know what Muhammed knowed exactly about the Bible or stories about Jesus, we don't know when he knowed what, we don't know which part of the Quran are from him, which were added later and from whom. There is not much about Jesus in Quran. Whether Muhammed nor those who wrote the Quran had deep knowledge about the Gospels. So, the took from the Jesus-story what they wanted and wrote a little Jesus-story in Quran. That's it.

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

Many in the village of Joseph and Mary did NOT believe that Mary was a virgin. They believed she was a bad girl, and that Joseph had been kind to marry her -- because if he did not, Mary could have been stoned -- or at least shamed. This is one reason that Nazareth did not believe Jesus was the messiah. They believed Jesus was a bastard. So MANY so horribly taught. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. I recommend The Urantia Book for truth seekers.

@jamiesimms7084

2 ай бұрын

You're taking what the Koran says as true to verify it. Because the Koran says there was no marriage that makes it true. It's completely ridiculous. The Koran is false just like the rest of the beliefs. Hell is made up and was taken from Greek mythology and that's the truth. There's nothing divine about any of this.

@jackpaul3315

2 ай бұрын

let me simply destroy your entire religion- Muhammad was killed by allah for being a false prophet- Qur'an 69:44-46-"And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta." Sahih al-Bukhari 4428-"The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Muhammad was killed by allah for being a demonic false prophet. Repent and turn to Jesus

@juannifer32

2 ай бұрын

@epona1525 No, that's not it. One Muhammad couldn't read the Bible on his own. So what Priest sat with Muhammad and told him about the infancy of Thomas? Why would they even tell him about the infancy of Thomas? Did they even have the infancy of Thomas in Mecca in Arabic? You make it seem like it's clear-cut. There is a lot to consider and think about. The Qur'an claims that a party of Jews wrote a book themselves and claimed it was from God. How would Muhammad know this information just from hearing verses of the Bible? Bart Ehrman confirms that what we have is a copy of a copy, of a copy, of a copy, etc. And we don't have any of the original manuscripts. Now, when the Qur'an made these claims about corruption of the Bible before Scholars started finding errors of the Bible. Muhammad was not a Scholar and would have had to have the Bible read to him in Arabic in order to know what was inside it. So if the Qur'an makes these claims about the Bible and the Qur'an is nothing but a lie, then all the claims the Qur'an makes about the Bible should be proven false when we go to check out the claims the Qur'an made about the Bible. But what do we find ? Scholars of the Bible say they have found contradictions, fabrications, and anonymous authors. How could Muhammad know that any corruption happened with the Bible before Bible Scholars who had to study the Bible in the Greek did?

Bart says that in the Qur'an, Jesus gets crucified, but he didn't die. Every Muslim knows that the Qur'an clearly negates the idea that Jesus was crucified. So when Bart now comes along and he gets something like that wrong, I'm not really inclined to listen to a presentation of his regarding historical problems of the Qur'an. I mean, this is kind of a crucial bit of information he gets wrong.

@Al-bq5yr

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely!!! I agree with u. Isn't it a fact that Koran clearly states that ... 1- Jesus wasn't crucified!? 2- That they didn't Kill Jesus!? I'm very sad my favourite biblical scholar got that wrong 😑. In the Qur'an, the verses that mention the crucifixion and the claim that Jesus was not killed or crucified can be found in Surah An-Nisa (Chapter 4), Verse 157. Here is the verse in context: (Translation Arberry: ) Koran 4:157 and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God' -- yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him; they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they slew him not of a certainty -- no indeed; - Surah An-Nisa (4:157)

@XaeeD

2 ай бұрын

@@Al-bq5yr The Arabic actually says: walākin shubbiha lahum, which means: "but [rather] it resembled (that) for them", i.e. 'that was what they thought had happened', or 'something caused them to assume it', because while they boasted that they'd killed him: in fact they did not, and what they're doing there, is that they're including themselves in the supposed execution of Isa(as). They're taking credit for it. But they're just talking, because even according to the New Testament, it was the Roman authorities who killed Jesus. Rome wasn't going to let the Jews do that. Rome was in control. Rome was the super-power. What these compromised Jews did was; they were urging the Romans to kill Jesus, and so when the Romans do it, these Jews take credit for it, 'as if' they did it. This is like when your favorite football team wins the match; all fans celebrate, saying: "We did it! We won!!", even though the fans didn't actually score any goals. The fans include themselves in the victory. "We" won. "We" killed him. The Qur'an says that these disbelieving Jews did not, in fact, execute Isa(as), but that it appeared to them as though they'd been successful. In my personal assessment, this can be interpreted as follows. Rome wasn't going to allow any 'King Messiah of the Jews' to emerge and walk around, stirring up the masses; potentially leading to rebellions and wars, similar to the Jewish-Greek wars before them. It was known that the real Messiah wasn't going to die at the hands of his enemies, and so if you kill the Messiah, you effectively disprove that he was the Messiah. By exposing him as a fraud (by killing him), you dismantle the whole movement from the top down. In other words, if Rome executes Jesus, then the Jewish Messianic movement disintegrates. In a time when communication was limited and the spread of information could be easily controlled and manipulated, and the Jewish tribes were often scattered (see the Epistle of James 1), a cunning ruling elite could certainly stage a fraudulent crucifixion and make it seem as if this was Jesus on the cross. So "it was made to appear so to them", as many translations read, could mean that "it was made to appear so to them, by the Romans". The Romans are often disregarded in talks about Jesus, but they were the biggest empire on the face of the planet for a reason, and they were known for their brutality and intelligence. They'd crucify 'criminals' by the thousands sometimes. If Rome was crucifying a convicted criminal, you wouldn't wanna be anywhere near the event, because you'd risk getting arrested as an accomplice. And so 'Jesus' is crucified outside the City, and they make sure he dies quickly, and they take the body down, and get rid of the evidence. Strange things to do, in Roman terms. They'd crucify criminals naked, sometimes upside down just for sport; men, women and children alike, and they'd leave the bodies hanging as warning; to be devoured by wild beasts. But not in the Gospels. Suddenly the body's quickly taken down and shoved in a cave. Jews burried their dead. Why use a cave with a boulder? Most Jews would've never even seen Isa(as). They had no pictures of him. So you isolate the area he's from, you go through every house and drag the people out on to the streets (like Paul of Tarsus admitted to doing before he was 'enlightened'), and you try to stamp out the movement. If you can't find the leader, then you orchestrate a faux crucifixion of some poor bloke, and pass it all off as if that's the Messiah. You then crack down hard on the remnants of the movement, and you manipulate the narrative. Rome had every reason to do this, they'd very likely had the means to pull it off, and it explains why people claimed seeing Jesus after the supposed crucifixion. Another interpretation, would be that "it was made to appear so to them" actually refers to the Gospels. After all, it's these 'Gospels' that claim he was crucified. And the two interpretations do not exclude one another. Both could've been the cause for why the compromised among the Jews believed they'd killed and crucified Jesus. Isa(as) was neither killed, nor crucified, but Allah transported him; alive and physically, to the Second Heaven, where he resides till this day. Muhammad(saw) met both him and Yahya(as) there, and Muhammad(saw) went there; alive and physically as well. So you don't need to be dead to exist in higher levels of reality. The ascension happens around the time of the faux crucifixion; either right prior to it, or just after it. In my understanding, the Messiah King from the Tanakh wasn't supposed to die, as he represents all of the Israelite tribes throughout the ages. If he dies, it would effectively entail the extinction of the Israelites. As such, the Islamic narrative fits perfectly with that concept of the Messiah, as Isa(as) hasn't passed away yet (he is said to pass away, and not die! in the Qur'an, and the Qur'an clearly distinguishes between dying and being killed), whereas the Christians oppose said concept, because they claim that the Messiah did perish. And yet, the Jews still exist, and so either the classical Jewish exegetes were all wrong when commenting that, Isaiah's 'suffering servant', for instance, embodies all the Israelite tribes, or Isa(as) really wasn't killed, and remains alive today. Allah knows best what happened in those days.

@gts3004

2 ай бұрын

I’ve got news for you. Barts been wrong about the Bible for years.

@abdullahimusa9761

2 ай бұрын

@@gts3004 do you have any book recommendations or any other material such as a video that demonstrates your statement?

@mazbrow2692

2 ай бұрын

"But I’m not a scholar of the Qur’an or of Islam, and I would prefer sticking to topics that are within my realm of expertise" "But I’m sorry to say, I’m not going to convert to Islam and I’m not going to write about something that takes many years of diligent study for any real competency. I have a lot on my plate already, and am quite happy both were I am in terms of my spiritual journey and the course of my future scholarship" Bart D Ehrman He does not agree with the story about Jesus in the Koran

Nice video. It is best to ask Jesus what actually happened. Thanks all

Our source in Islam is the Quran... ❤❤ Our yard stick is the Quran.

Jesus set up a plot to make it look like he died? Oh Come on!!!

@mr.knightthedetective7435

2 ай бұрын

No, God rescued Jesus from the hands of his enemies as a merciful God should do

@pdworld3421

2 ай бұрын

@@mr.knightthedetective7435 That's incorrect

@MERCIFUL_KNOWLEDGE

2 ай бұрын

Read Psalm 91

@johnbrzykcy3076

2 ай бұрын

​@@mr.knightthedetective7435 Respectfully, the way I understand it, is that we ourselves ( human beings ) are the real "enemies" of God and Jesus Christ. The Roman soldiers and the religious leaders who wanted Jesus to be crucified were examples that "mankind is fallen" and sinful. So we are the real enemies. Jesus wanted to "rescue" mankind. Of course the divine plan to rescue us from sin and the curse of death is incomprehensible to us. In fact, since we don't understand God's divine plan, we desire for God to rescue Jesus from the cruelty of the crucifixion. But Jesus humbled Himself and He wanted to obey God the Father. The cross of Jesus is actually a pointer to God's love for us. Jesus rescued us. Im not Muslim but I think I understand the Islamic beliefs regarding Prophets, especially Jesus Christ. So I appreciate your honesty and I respect your views and beliefs. By the way, I plan to read the Quran soon. I want to understand Islam better. . Peace of God to you and your family

@pdworld3421

2 ай бұрын

@@MERCIFUL_KNOWLEDGE would you consider Abel to have been a just man?

Jesus is the Messiah in the Quran

Glad that historical critical scholarship reaches Islam, but wow Professor Ehrman over-sells it. Unfortunately uderstandable, pitching for paying pupils

Variation in stories is not a big issue. Contradiction in fundamental belief is a big Issue which is in the Bible.

@HHasan-of2vi

2 ай бұрын

@stockpluginsonly About Jesus image in Synoptic Gospels vs John Gospel.

@HHasan-of2vi

2 ай бұрын

@stockpluginsonly No its not make any sense even in John Gospel we can find contradictory verses about Jesus.

@HHasan-of2vi

2 ай бұрын

@stockpluginsonly You can find several verses in John's Gospel which highlighted both lower and higher Christology.

@HHasan-of2vi

2 ай бұрын

@stockpluginsonly Jesus said 'I can my ownself do nothing' vs I AM saying, this is only one example.

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

I recommend The Urantia Book for truth seekers. Published in 1955, it claims to be the Fifth Epochal Revelation of God to Man. Of course, it requires as much a leap of faith to believe that, as it does to believe, the Bible, the Koran, or the Book of Mormon. Paper 66 adds clarity to the Sumerian Tablets. The Paper on Adam and Eve tells a unique story. Free to read online -- KZread may still have the audio version. The last 700 pages are the Life of Jesus.

There's no differences in the new testament that can't be reconciled. I don't know why he says that.

@Jayguevara1982

2 ай бұрын

He says that because he is the most important New Testament scholar in the world who has spent decades studying the Bible.

@pdworld3421

2 ай бұрын

@Jayguevara1982 so you're saying because he is an important scholar he says there are contradictions in the new testament? That's kind of backwards.

@kencreten7308

2 ай бұрын

He says that because that's what fundamentalists say and yes they can reconcile any problem that they find with say a contradiction. He's not saying that these many times tortured and twisted attempts to reconcile the texts are correct. He's just saying that no matter what you say fundamentalists who are true believers in the text will do anything to make it work.

@pdworld3421

2 ай бұрын

@@kencreten7308 I'm not a fundamentalist and I don't see any contradictions in the new testament

@jackpaul3315

2 ай бұрын

@@Jayguevara1982Bart gets destroyed by Christian scholars in every debate hes a simpleton.

Bart needs to look at Jay Smiths work.

@issamedin306

2 ай бұрын

LOL

@zionisthindurepublican7989

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately Jay Smith is a NOBODY and Bart knows that

Here we go again. Now we learn Jesus didn’t die. Or he died, and stayed dead? Or…he passed a weekend in his grave, and…became a zombie shooting out of his grave? Take your pick😅 This is dogma at its best😮😢😅

Al-Qur'an is from Allah.

The moment you believe that the Quran is not preserved, you are no longer a muslim

@Wolfkiller

2 ай бұрын

*in your opinion

This buh erhman is a joke

What is known is that the scholars in the first 200 years were infinitely more knowledgeable with the strict scholarly path that is significantly far more challenging than today. Today, scholars are in no way even close to the level of intellectual might.

@humboldthammer

2 ай бұрын

THEY turned my Father's house into a multi-level marketplace. The Rapture is a LIE. "Left Behind" is ass-backward fiction. Matthew 13: 30. Matthew 24: 24 All the Pentecostal Rapture Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR_ are false prophets. Pentecostalism (not the ewes in the pews) is a Bad Tree of Christianity, with roots in the Ku Klux Klan. It shall be hewn down, like all Bad Trees.

@brygenon

2 ай бұрын

No, what data we have indicates that old religions began with much the same power disputes and petty squabbles we see today. Modern scholars of religion, poorly as they do compared to STEM staff, actually do better than the ancients in terms of reliable results.

@mustafakhettymusic

2 ай бұрын

@@brygenon Lack of not knowing is a fool looking for a pin in a haystack!

Quran is full of contradictions. And has tons of mistakes

Hey Bart people are coming to Islam. 😎 😊

@kencreten7308

2 ай бұрын

Same with atheism.

@jingojingo1

2 ай бұрын

@@kencreten7308 are you atheist?

@jackpaul3315

2 ай бұрын

More are coming to Christianity ✝️

There are no contradictions in the Bible.

@xp8969

2 ай бұрын

As long as you don't read the whole thing

@WillWilsonII

2 ай бұрын

Well, you heard him folks. It's all over. Pack up and go home. Sorry Mr Ehrman, there goes your career.😂

@brygenon

2 ай бұрын

​@@xp8969The whole thing? Genius 2 contradicts Genesis 1. But sure, you make a point

@yohei72

2 ай бұрын

And up is down and black is white and war is peace.