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Very interesting and informative show. Thanks for showing the sources and maps. Another great job, Jacob. Dr. Kloppenborg's voice sounds very similar to Dr. James Tabor.

Then there's Luke's birth narrative where he has Mary run down from her house in Galilee to her cousin Elizabeth's house in Judea like it was just down the street!

@gazzas123

2 ай бұрын

There is an error when isa 7 was translated from Hebrew to Greek. It says a young woman has conceived and will have a son. The Greek says a virgin will conceive a son. This lead to the Mary cult I the Catholic church.

@user-uo7fw5bo1o

2 ай бұрын

@@gazzas123 Exactly!

@kiro6119

2 ай бұрын

​@@gazzas123Muslims believe that sex with children is halal

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

​@@gazzas123 All of the NT was composed in Greek by literate writers of Greek, with no hint of Hebraic. Birth narratives (plural) were made up exactly as needed to satisfy prophecy: if interpreters of prophecy required a virgin birth, then one had to be educed in spite of facts, logic, or consistency.

It is all allegory and locations serve as metaphors. For example, Luke's "Road to Emmaus" is an allegory based on Chapter 6, Book 7 of Josephus' Wars of the Jews, which ends by mentioning in paragraph 6 "... Emmaus, and is distant from Jerusalem threescore furlongs.." (Josephus also used Emmaus as a metaphor, along with the reported distance, which is why the true location of Emmaus is still being debated.) In the earlier part of this "road", Josephus mentions the "...Alexander, king of the Jews..." (paragraph 2 and not recognized as Jesus), a "root" that casts out "demons" (paragraph 3 and Jesus still not recognized), and then tells a story about a man that escapes crucifixion in the same manner very much like that of Jesus Barabbas (paragraph 4 and now some would recognize Jesus here especially when the Roman that supposedly captured him was name "Rufus" which was also the name of Simon of Cyrene's "son". ("Alexander" was metaphor assigned to Simon's other "son".)

@youtubeaccount3230

Ай бұрын

Would not be surprised luke used Josephus, especially in Acts

Ptolemy post-dated the author of Luke/Acts so was not an available source, and preceding and contemporary cartography (e.g. by Marinus of Tyre) would not have been widely available. 'L/A' might never have seen any maps meaningful or relevant to his stories. His preponderance of accuracy and local knowledge in coastal areas suggests to me that he might have picked the brains of an experienced Mediterranean sailor, or may perhaps have been one himself. This might also explain his preoccupation in Acts with (supposed) sea journeys made by Paul (which are likely to be mostly fictional). (As I hope everybody realises, the L/A author was not a companion of Paul, had likely never met him, and had never read his authentic letters, which in Acts he frequently contradicts. The name of 'Luke' was only applied to the anonymous author of the gospel around AD 180 because 'Luke' was the only named companion of Paul about whom nothing else was known: mentions of the Gospel around AD 120 do not use the name.)

Refreshing. Great topic.

Probably he is reporting what he heard, rather than what he knows about. These texts may be written by a lot of authors, and some may have corrected some of the information.

@gazzas123

2 ай бұрын

The first book of the new testament was Paul's first Corinthians which was actually 5 letters that were heavily edited in the 3rd century the gospels were written decades after Jesus died mark about 40 years and John about 60 years.

@almazchati4178

2 ай бұрын

@@gazzas123 Yes, this analysis shows that Luke was heavily edited as well, by multiple people. It does not have a single author, kept in the dark on purpose.

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

None of Luke, or any gospel, can reliably be traced to anything "heard". It is all narrative in support of doctrine, with geographical detail only for texture. Later edits track shifting doctrine.

Amazing!

The map shows connections not exact geographical info - so it’s like the London Underground map (introduced by an electrical engineer familiar with electrical circuit diagrams)

Maybe Luke was using "only" GPS and therefore did not learn locations by dead reckoning? heheh Great video. Thank you both.

Studies of the lexicons and grammar of the New Testament suggest that the author of Luke-Acts also wrote ‘Hebrews’. Note that all three begin with angels testifying about Jesus in the context of him reigning as king.. The author is a book-lover who has had access to some rich persons library for some years as he was writing.Probably he writes after the gospel of John because he is occasionally influenced by some events, names and sentences in John but scatters and modifies these.

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

Best evidence is that Hebrews was written by someone in the Pauline camp before any of the gospels were conceived, likely before 'Luke' was born. Like all of the NT, it was doctored afterward.

Has anyone thought to replace the name Luke with Marcian since it seems like the writer of Luke has knowledge of things along the coast and not much knowledge of things on the interior of Palestine? Marcion was in the shipping business so he would have that knowledge.

@ThroneofDavid8

2 ай бұрын

Paul confirmed the existence of Mark Luke and John. Stop trying to confuse people.

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

@@ThroneofDavid8 Not the same 'Luke', this was generations and maybe a whole century later.

@khazmology

2 ай бұрын

Haven’t heard Paul confirms Luke. Have heard of the Lukan Priority and the fact that Marcion presented the first theoretical biblical cannon

@willempasterkamp862

2 ай бұрын

@@khazmology lucky Luke = Lucius Anneus Seneca Marcion, Mark = Drusus germanicus, Andrew the elder

@ThroneofDavid8

2 ай бұрын

@@sciptick Bullshit

Bethsaida was a city because Herod Philip had made it his new capital and called it Julias in the 20s CEand Josephus specifically says he raised it to be a ‘polis’ or city.

Isn’t it also odd that if these gospels were written just after 70 and 80 and 90 in the first century that none of them would have mentioned the retribution on the Romans for the destruction of Pompeii by Vesuvius? Think about that. Would it have not been human natureto think that the Romans would receive gods vengeance for destroying Jerusalem? Or at least it being seen that way by someone if all of those writings were first century? I mean the Christian writings, gospels, etc.

@ColoradoCreativeInc

2 ай бұрын

Especially if you believe that, these gospels were written around Rome or in Rome

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

Writing about divine vengeance on Rome was not conducive to one's own longevity, or to one's copy being preserved by later scribes. Anyway recall that by doctrine both Rome destroying the temple and Rome executing christ were carrying out god's will.

@Ower8x

2 ай бұрын

Unless they were written earlier .... early 60 as Acts stops before Paul is killed ... etc ... Yes if you assume later dates there are things that should be mentioned that are not ....

@craigfairweather3401

2 ай бұрын

Revelation has several images that seem to be influenced by the Vesuvius eruption such as a Ch 8 10Then the third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star burning like a torch fell from heaven and landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter like wormwood oil, and many people died from the bitter waters. 12Then the fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun and moon and stars were struck. A third of the stars were darkened, a third of the day was without light, and a third of the night as well.…

@Ower8x

2 ай бұрын

@@craigfairweather3401 sure but we are talking about the gospels

Oh mr.tabor 😊 always interesting 😊 merci du Québec 😊

Interesting analysis.

Ive been to tiberias, it’s a town! Maybe they pretend it’s a city, but basically it’s a town

To be honest I have no sense of geography except for maps. (cartographic knowledge) and very local geography (local knowledge)

Maybe I have to watch this again, but its doesn't seem that good an argument here. He does not explain how Luke's knowledge is poor, he just repeatedly declares it to be so.

but where is Gadara ?

@andrewridge4978

2 ай бұрын

Could it be a suburb of Arimathea? Or a fig-box of Christian imagination?

@craigfairweather3401

2 ай бұрын

Gadara is a Decapolis city on top of a mountain just south east of the Sea of Galilee within easy sight of it. Gadara owned a portion of the south coast of the lake with a town and wharves. This small town still belonged to Gadara.

@andrewridge4978

2 ай бұрын

Thank you.

@willempasterkamp862

2 ай бұрын

@@craigfairweather3401 Gadara Dalmathua is elsewhere.

Luke could not read a map!!! Apparently he could This is silly click bait

Can YOU read a map properly?

In the first century ce there was no Palestine. Check your own geography before casting stone.

@robinharwood5044

2 ай бұрын

You mean it was just sea? That seems unlikely, since Greek authors had been referring to a district they called “Palaistinê” since the fifth century BC.

Q is not real

@user-uo7fw5bo1o

2 ай бұрын

Q probably was many sayings collected from god knows where, written down on scraps of paper like they were post-it notes, and dumped on the gospel writers' desks! Otherwise we'd have an actual document of historical Jesus' sayings that are more "primitive" than in gThomas, yes?

Yeah. You wonder why Luke was so technically illiterate and stupid that he didnt know how to use GPS and satellite imagery so he could write accurate accounts... 🙄

Sounds like it has not dawned on poor ole Kloppenborg that the authors of Luke and Acts were two entirely different folks writing at different times. There is an actual REASON they have radically differing perceptions of the geography. The popular notion that "Luke-Acts" is a combined work by a single author is modern academic horseshit. This is how you end up with pathetically misguided lectures like this one.

Overgrown edge-lords. Arguments on par with Flat Earther by way of all the confirmation bias. But I guess basing your life around justifying your denial of your creator I guess you’ll reach in many directions.

Everything Luke wrote is accurate and true.

@sciptick

2 ай бұрын

It was reality that got things wrong.