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@willempasterkamp862

3 ай бұрын

No Claudians ? no Seneca ?! As long Jacob and Bart remain in full denial of the historical context (huqoq elephants mosaic for example, try to understand just one time) you guys will stay blind (dumb and dumber) on the subject , ha ha ha (sadly it is pure unwillingness you seem intelligent enough to figure this out yourselves) . ALahs hell is prepared for the stubborn obstinates.

The Quran has non biblical stories about Jesus that are remarkably similar to ancient Syriac text, but I never see historians discuss this. Eg. The Sparrow narrative Dr. Erhman referenced. Yes it’s first found in Thomas, but it’s also found in the Syriac Infancy Gospel and there are other examples as well. I wonder why historians don’t explore these connections, especially when Syriac Christianity was once so popular and had a strong presence in the region pre-Islam?

@jefftaylor19

3 ай бұрын

The Quran takes the position as the final document by which you can determine relevant historical truths which may have survived in other sources. It points out that the intention of every single message and messenger of God was to invite the people to understand that God is the only deity and that He does everything, controls all, has all the power. Reliance on Him ALONE is what is required for us to be redeemed back to heaven. Yes, the Quran says we were alive before, and kicked out of heaven down here for not appreciating God as He should be appreciated. He alone is lording over everything. He has angels performing functions here because God's immense presence is too devastating for this lowest insignificant universe. Hence this is why scriptures say "We" when referencing God, because the angels participate, and it is more accurate. Have a good day. Peace.

@economician

3 ай бұрын

You have slept through a ton of scholarly research. Read the works of the Inarah and of dr Christoph Luxenberg.

@lukavukcevic6429

3 ай бұрын

​​@@jefftaylor19 That's the exact reason why the Quran is wrong and historically moot. In it all Prophets are squashed into profile of Muhammad and say "Believe in One God!" But that's a gross simplification of the historical reality. Abraham didn't preach the Oneness of God, and Jesus didn't go around preaching that God is One, everybody in his culture already believed that. The trend is clear, to justify Muhammad's prophethood by obliterating history and making it fit into a new mold.

@jefftaylor19

3 ай бұрын

​@@lukavukcevic6429 Peace. Monotheism is always misunderstood. People don't get it, because it is very demanding. Very few of the people who claim that they are monotheists, are actually monotheists. It is very easy to have a god beside God. If you think anything can benefit you, or harm you, beside God alone, then you have an idol (a god beside God.) For example, Jesus, Mary, Muhammad or even the president can be your idol, god beside God. If each day, you think of your child or wife more than you think of God, then you have made your family a god beside God. If your property or your job is on your mind the majority of the day, then you have made another idol, a god beside God. Hence the need to emphisize the "Oneness over and over again". The commandment is clear, "Hear (Shema) Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one". This verse is considered the ultimate affirmation of monotheism, which holds that there is only one God for all peoples. The prayer continues, "And you shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might". "All" is quite a bit, don't you think? How many people actually do this? This was preached and overlooked by nearly all of the followers of God's messages, Jews, Christians and especially the muslims. Jesus said merely the same thing as they all said, and so does the Quran. In reality, "There is no god beside God", but few people have a life that reflects this. May God guide us.

@lukavukcevic6429

3 ай бұрын

@@jefftaylor19 thats just a fancy way of admiting that the Quran is not historical

I have signed up for the course. Dr. Ehrman: Do you think you need to study Quran to be able to compare both texts? I would humbly suggest to do so. You may need to study the entire Quran to be able to understand the mindset of the Author of the Quran, not just topics related to Jesus/Mary/Christians and so on. Thank you

Off topic but I love Bart's glasses.

Bart is always selling a class.😊 I would love to see more comparing and contrasting religions like especially Islam and Christianity. It seems what little I do know makes me think that they share more history together than they might be comfortable with

@thetopface

3 ай бұрын

It’s cool that they’re so cheap, though. College courses cost 100s of dollars, not including tuition. Individual academic seminars can be up there, as well. Something like this for under $100 is pretty wild

@clifb.3521

3 ай бұрын

@@thetopface I totally agree I want to buy them all

I agree with Bart Ehrman's perspective regarding the Divinity of Jesus Christ. Time will tell if we are correct. I study the Quaran and look for the environment behind its' veil. There are numerous problems with the writing but there is a voice under the overburden. The work is definitely a function of management although the direction is positive. I see a recurring theme that is questionable. There may be mercy for transgressors but there is no mention of consideration for victims. A quick example for the purpose of illustrating my point can be seen in Surah 3:178. This specific passage as well as many other allusions to the point leave me thinking, " Oh that's so wonderful for the managers purpose, but what about all these innocent people who were hurt and damaged while you allowed this gang to run roughshod?" No mention.....

@thomasrhodes5013

3 ай бұрын

@sarinah8708 Do you know what is wrong with you?

@thomasrhodes5013

3 ай бұрын

@sarinah8708 You are a Cheerleader in a space that men are tying to understand what makes ground solid.

@AnHebrewChild

3 ай бұрын

@@thomasrhodes5013hmm, he might have wandered into the wrong video and wrong comment section, yes. But your comment strikes me as quite rude. The Law of Kindness: it'll never do you wrong.

@thomasrhodes5013

3 ай бұрын

@@AnHebrewChild You twit-troll. Yes, you are "quite" a piece of donkey dung, replete with pretentions and grand moralizations. I am sure you will feel much happier after you 'wipe'. Is that not a demonstration of consideration on my part?

Jesus is not in the quran, but isa, a medieval comic character copied from Jesus, as in Asterix is the comic character called Julius caesar or Cleopatra.

Pretty much no one has found historical contradictions in the Qur'an. The criticism of the Qur'an is always theological or on naturalist terms, like miracles. The Qur'an doesn't focus on history. It cites Biblical parables to argue its own philosophy, often claiming they were based on true events that have been corrupted by Jewish & Christian scribes.

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

"often claiming they were based on true events that have been corrupted by Jewish & Christian scribes" Repeating the same apologetic fraud ad infinitum doesn't make it true.

@levantinian

3 ай бұрын

@@nonomnismoriar9051care to explain?

@ltopomcfly5583

3 ай бұрын

@@nonomnismoriar9051 LOL You're literally on a channel that proves the Bible is corrupted. But you're only mad when Muslims say it. Islamaphobe.

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

@@levantinian get a hold of the article by Dr Saeed (University of Melbourne) from 2002 "The charge of distortion of the jewish and christian scriptures" for a very brief introduction.

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

@@ltopomcfly5583 It doesn't make me mad at all, it just exposes how truly insane apologetics can morph into, from mere implausibility or dishonesty, when confronted with the most basic challenges, and Muslims are no exception. Most are extreme examples of cognitive dissonance that make Paul Copan or Kent Hovind blush

well how well did the koran writers know the Biblical text to assume that the readers knew the story

@GratefulAmericans

3 ай бұрын

Underrated question. Muslim scholars in the first few centuries AH even used Biblical texts to create Quranic exegesis. The Quran expects the reader to already be familiar with the stories of the Bible, and it’s interesting to consider why

@AnHebrewChild

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@GratefulAmericansthe Koran writers assume that readers will be familiar with the biblical texts. That's the idea, yes? what would be( for you) the most interesting aspects of this fact? It's not something which, to this point anyway, I've given much thought to but I'd be interested to hear what your thoughts might be. Your comment has piqued my curiosity. Cheers

For Al-Quran, they are the truth yet to be discovered by mere humans NOT PROBLEMS.

Can I be scared now?

Isa is not pronounced Aisa.

The Quran doesnt say Jesus gets crucified, Bart Ehrman really doesnt do his homework and repeats what he hears 😂.

Who needs this religious/political almost certain (zealot) conflict of bringing these two scholarly works together into the same space?

I respect Bart's scholarship on the NT and I respect that he wants to learn more about the Qur'an but I would advise him to stick to speaking about his own area of expertise until he has actually done some serious study of the subject to be competent enough to speak about it; he looks completely out of his depth. He made some huge blunders in this short interview that are quite frankly embarrassing. The Qur'an explicitly calls Jesus "the Messiah" in numerous places, including in the verses dealing with the crucifixion (4.157-159), where the Qur'an explicitly says Jesus was NOT crucified, NOR killed (my emphases). Bart got everything jumbled. By the way, "Messiah" doesnt mean "a saviour who dies for the sins of the world", period; but Bart already knows that. It is a Christian misconception of the meaning of the term "Messiah." The fact that the Qur'an doesnt understand Jesus as "a saviour, dying for the sins of the world" and yet calls him "the Messiah", should be an interesting point of note for a textual critic/historian like Bart. These fields don't always have to be about debunking scripture, sometimes you can note interesting points like that too. An interesting point that Bart did raise, was that the Qur'an doesn't identify Jesus as God, which is "historically interesting" given Bart's own research into this topic. Another teaser, for people interested in finding "historically interesting" things in the Qur'an, is that the Qur'an refers to the followers of Jesus as "Nazarenes" rather than "Christians", and historians are of the opinion that "Nazarenes" was indeed what they were originally called; what is interesting is that "Christians" had long disposed of the moniker "Nazarene" to refer to themselves when the Qur'an was first being conveyed to the peoples of Arabia in the seventh century; interesting, no?

@levantinian

3 ай бұрын

Can you say more about your last point? What is the significance that Christians had stopped referring to themselves as Nazarenes by the time the Qur’an came?

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

When you say someone is out of their depth - which might well be the case here - you nonetheless must possess a superior depth of the subject in question. In this case, one can already see several problems with your comment for example: apart from the disputed and complex topic which is granted for the sake of argument, that the "original Christians" were called nasraniye, the fact this was long forgotten is not true. We have Sasanid Persian documents distinguishing between groups of Christians and calling one of them "Nasronye" (and it had nothing to do with whether they were Trinitarians or not).

@jordondaniels9276

3 ай бұрын

He specifically says everytime he's asked an inane question about the Qur'an that he's not an expert on it and he doesn't know the answer.

@willempasterkamp862

3 ай бұрын

Nazarenes are claudians ( 7 sleepers, dwarfs of snow-white) Jesus is Nerones ( the prince on the white horse ) St. Paul = Cornelius, dhul Qarnain (huqoq elephants mosaic) Jajui & Majui = Sneezy & Sleepy, Grumpy = Germanicus (Imran) Lucius Anneus Seneca = Bashful, Qitmeer, al Raqeem (Harun)

@jordondaniels9276

3 ай бұрын

@@willempasterkamp862 Gibberish.

Why would you ask Dr. Ehrman so many questions which are not only asked in bad faith (with no preamble) but which you know he has no expertise with which to respond?? I noticed you do not interact with your other guests this way.

@jefftaylor19

3 ай бұрын

I think this was just a service to Dr Ehrman, to announce his upcomming lecture dialogue with the Muslim scholar.

@jordondaniels9276

3 ай бұрын

@@jefftaylor19 A service of trying to get him to say outrageous things about Islam?

Two major mistakes done by both Host and Guest. 1. Host don't know that Qur'an mentioned several times Jesus Christ as Messiah. 2. Guest don't know Qur'an clearly mentioned that Jesus Christ was not Crucified and nor died but God raised Him alive.

@user-lf8bn5jh4f

2 ай бұрын

ANYONE SAYING JESUS WAS NOT CRUCIFIED AND DID NOT DIE IS FALSE ... John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

@akiel51

21 сағат бұрын

@@user-lf8bn5jh4fif you believe what the New Testament says sure he died.

Jesus Christ fundamental teachings in the New testament about God is much more similar to the Qur'an. Jesus says Here O Israel the Lord OUR GOD the lord is ONE.

@user-lf8bn5jh4f

2 ай бұрын

“Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”

Hey Jacob.. Hope you're well.. Dr. Ehrman will soon realize how the Quran says that Jesus wasn't crucified nor was he killed. He kept saying that he was crucified but wasn't killed. Interestingly, when you read the verses in the Quran about the crucifixion, it actually agrees with history, because it says "It was made to appear to them" which means anyone that was around believed a crucifixion happened, however we all know that appearance is one thing and reality is something else... Also, the Quran mentions the Torah and the Gospel, but never says the word Bible. From an educated Muslim's perspective, the OT & NT aren't considered the Torah and the Gospel. Anyways, just thought I'd shed some light from a Muslim's perspective... Looking forward to this seminar.

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

From an educated Muslim's perspective, the OT & NT aren't considered the Torah and the Gospel. You have no idea how ironically ignorant that is.

@lessthansion

3 ай бұрын

​@@nonomnismoriar9051i will never understand why Muslims love Bart when he believes the NT is a much more reliable account on Jesus than anything written in the Quran. 😅

@Omzzz85

3 ай бұрын

@@nonomnismoriar9051 care to elaborate?

@Omzzz85

3 ай бұрын

@@lessthansion why should he think otherwise?

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

@@Omzzz85 Start with getting a hold of Dr Saeed's (U.Melbourne) 2002 article "the charge of distortion of the jewish and christian scriptures". If you want to go further down that rabbit hole get back to me.

The real mystery is not the trinity but the identity of Jesus' father. The Jew asks Jesus where and who his father is if he is being truthful or else he is a bastard and a liar. Jesus replies, "If you see me then you see father. I am and my father are one and the same". He means that he has no father at all. The Jew gets angry and accuses Jesus of saying he is the son of God which is a blasphemy. The Jew believes that Jesus has a father but doesn't know who he is. Some say he is the Roman soldier, some say he is Zachary who is responsible for taking care of Mary, some say he is Joseph whom saves Mary for being stoned to death and so on. Jesus never says he is the son of God, it is the Jew who claims it. The Jew doesn't understand the prophechy of Torah that the messiah will be born of a young girl. A young girl also means a virgin in a Jewish tradition. Mary is 12 years old when she get enggaged with Joseph. The Roman even has no idea and later associating it with their mythology thus creating a trinity concept of a father, son and a holy spirit. Unlike the Jew whom understand son of God as a blasphemy, the Roman understand son of God as a King which later becoming the actual reason of Jesus crucifixion that is Jesus could becoming a threat to them as he is gaining more and more follower. Paul whom is a bounty hunter then finish up Jesus follower and bring up a new religion which is in contrast to what of the Jew believes.

In the name of God. Jacob, these are answers from the Quran, I gave you the verses. 1. Quran views the Bible as it existed in the 7th century as Scripture from God with a small percentage of injected doctrines. It calls the Old Testament, the Torah and the New testament, the Gospel. It refers to Psalms as the Psalms. 2. The Quran itself claims to have no contradiction and is a complete and fully detailed scripture. [4:82] Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.[10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe. [2:89] When this scripture came to them from God, and even though it agrees with, and confirms what they have, and even though they used to prophesy its advent when they talked with the disbelievers, when their own prophecy came to pass, they disbelieved therein. God's condemnation thus afflicts the disbelievers. 3. Jesus Crucified? [4:156] (Children of Israel are condemned) for disbelieving and uttering about Mary a gross lie. [4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him. [4:158] Instead, God raised him to Him; God is Almighty, Most Wise. (Jesus, the real person, the soul, was raised in the same manner as in the death of any righteous person. Subsequently, his enemies arrested, tortured, and crucified his living, but empty, body. )(Like a severe stroke victim, the body’s alive, but there’s no one iin there Hence the silence during interrogation. Mark). 4. Yes Jacob, the Quran says Jesus was the Messiah. [3:45] The angels said, "O Mary, God gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me.' [4:159] Everyone among the people of the scripture was required to believe in him (Jesus) before his death. On the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) will be a witness against them. 5. Isa is pronounced Eessa. The Quran takes the position of the final scripture to point out which parts of the Bible are authentic. 6. Fact from fiction. We have a new tool for the first time in history, to authenticate a scripture. Please study this document. submission.org/App1.htm It shows how the Quran is mathematicallly composed with the number 19 as an authenticating common denominator in its structure. For example: THE SIMPLE FACTS Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical coding ranges from the very simple, to the very complex. The Simple Facts are those observations that can be ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer. The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text: The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely ...............19 suras. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or .............19 x 18. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = ........19 x 18. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of .......19 words. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters .19 x 4. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of .....................................................19 verses. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last ..19 suras. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals .19 x 16. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of ............19 words. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of ................19 letters. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57 = ......19 x 3. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals 836, or ................. 19 x 44. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2. Between the first and last initialed sura there are ....19 sets of alternating "initialed" and "un-initialed" suras. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50, 000, & 100, 000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534. This is a condensed summary of the Simple Facts. 7. Violence? [2:193] You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship God freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.[2:191] You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers. 8. Prophets [3:84] Say, "We believe in God, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters." [2:89] When this scripture came to them from God, and even though it agrees with, and confirms what they have, and even though they used to prophesy its advent when they talked with the disbelievers, when their own prophecy came to pass, they disbelieved therein. God's condemnation thus afflicts the disbelievers. God willing this helps. I greatly enjoy your interviews. God's Gift.

Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” [Luke 22:42]. God Almighty save Jesus Christ from Crucifixion because of this invocation. But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.' Then all the disciples deserted him and fled. [26:56]. Why desciples fled away because they found out that the person crucified was not Jesus Christ. The most important point the real followers of Jesus Christ the Desciples and their followers were Messianic Jews not Gentile Christians and they were strictly adhered to Mosaic Law and worship only God Almighty not trinity. All these three points support Islamic view of Jesus Christ.

In the Quran, Jesus (Isa, pronounced "Ee-Saa") was NOT crucified. He was taken straight into heaven by God almighty. In Islamic eschatology, Jesus will return in the same form he was taken as the Messiah to save humanity from the oppression and killing of the AntiChrist. After ruling for however long, Jesus will die and be buried next to Muhammad in the city of Medina (in modern day Saudi Arabia). Back to the crucifixion, though the Quran doesn't state who was crucified, it is often assumed that the one who betrayed Jesus was made to resemble Jesus and this person was crucified.

@youtubeaccount3230

3 ай бұрын

U mean Judas? All these theories come from muslims who migrated to Iraq/Syria and were asking jews and Christians if they got information on these things, even ibn abbas was telling muslims not to do it in sahih bukhari 7363, even ibn kathirs commentary mentions paul being on the of figures of a verse in the Quran(yes he was wrong) thats because ibn kathir says he got it from the Israelites, other commentaries mention solom and saddique meaning james and peter

@jbohnoff

3 ай бұрын

@@youtubeaccount3230 People can speculate what they want. I'm just saying what the Quran says. The Quran doesn't mention who was crucified in place of Jesus and the Quran strongly claims Jesus was not crucified.

@munbruk

3 ай бұрын

This eschatology is not believed by all muslims. Its is from traditiion.

@ltopomcfly5583

3 ай бұрын

Wrong. It says Jesus "didn't die, he was raised up". Orthodox Muslims interpreted that as flying to Heaven, but that is nowhere in the Qur'an. You're quoting the hadiths written 200 years later, that filled in the Qur'an's story for Muslims.

@jbohnoff

3 ай бұрын

@@ltopomcfly5583 "That they (The Jews) said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise." - Quran 4:157-158

The Quran mentioned that Ibrahim was saved by Allah after he was put into fire. So we believe that regardless how people felt about it. Same thing happened with Jesus. We don't need Ehrman to confirm or deny the Quran since it happened in a miraculous way. The best plausible logical and naturalist argumant that Ehrman should defend is: Jesus was seen after the alleged crucixion walking around and eating fish; THEREFORE HE DID NOT DIE.

THIS GUY IS FALSE >>> Jesus said to them, John 8:58 “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” >>> Colossians 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. >>> John 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus is Michael and cannot die . Because Michael was destined to kill the angel who impregnated the giant. Mary's son Jesus is a mere corpse. It was God's word, Elijah, and all his words became true. Michael sacrificed Elijah

@jefftaylor19

3 ай бұрын

I'm curious, What is your religion, or better yet, where did you get this understanding?

@willempasterkamp862

3 ай бұрын

@@jefftaylor19 maybe triniitarism ; Helios (EL, dragon, Mercury) versus the rebellious twin Michael (marduk, martius) and Samael (venus, lucifer). Twin is Heavens and Earth. Pagan (?) Trinity is in the book, starting from Gen. 1 : 1 Michael is earth-like as humanity is, Samael is the life-giving Spirit (Pan). it's not weird but main-stream without people knowing ; secret knowledge. Mercury (hermes) the Messenger aka Gabriel (djibril in quran). St. Paul is the elias/ helios/ elymas/ Heli = Mathan/ zacharias = the blessed or Rich from the NT . Paul had twin sons ; Silas and Barnabbas (apollo), the 2 witnesses from revelations. Twin (boanerges) and Trinity are all trough the Book. three Magi are lesser gods.

@komaichan99

3 ай бұрын

@@jefftaylor19 According to the Melchizedek Scrolls of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the end times Messiah is Melchizedek . And Melchizedek is Michael , this is also in DSS. According to Hebrews 7 Jesus is the equivalent of Melchizedek, but not the same And Daniel 12, Michael And judeo Christian Ebionites considered Jesus to be the greatest angel

@komaichan99

3 ай бұрын

@@jefftaylor19 As Bart also said, Irenaeus' against heresies book 3 mentions this as a heretical theory. The spirit that entered Jesus, and his body is a separate entity

The host of this show has the energy of a corpse.

Jesus the Messiah: Quran 4.171 "The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah..." Why are you asking Bart questions about Islam? ASK A MUSLIM!

@abmii7886

2 ай бұрын

Dr. Bart Ehrman is an atheist. In line with Islam's narrative with respect to the Historicity of new testamemt, Dr. Ehrman may be one of the best. He is neutral. He does not care about the theology. He focuses on history. Do not feel unfair that he, not a quran scholar, exposes some lies of islam's narrative. Open your eyes and allow the truth to sink in. Do not lie to yourself.

Bart said in one interview that he did not study Islam, so it is better for him not to talk about it.

@francmittelo6731

3 ай бұрын

Y'all Muslims are scared of the truth. Islam is based on the hallucinations and lies of a psychotic pedophile warmonger. This is well known to scholars.

@jordondaniels9276

3 ай бұрын

He's not talking about it; the interviewer keeps cornering him to talk about it.

@nonomnismoriar9051

3 ай бұрын

Also he risks getting murdered by people that feel empowered by more moderate people like you, who by and large don't denounce them any more than mere lip service, and often take to the streets by the millions often on mere rumours of Quran desecrations and so on, but almost never to protest murders and other atrocities committed by terrorists.

@munbruk

3 ай бұрын

@@jordondaniels9276 He talked about it in a previous interview as you said Christians push him to damage Islam as he damaged Christianity. So he insinuated that Islam was wrong. I think he was wrong as I explained in one comment above.

@jordondaniels9276

3 ай бұрын

@@munbruk You may not know how to read.