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“The answer is we don’t know” --Thank you. That was an open and honest statement. So many people debate various subjects about , Jesus, The Exodus, The cross/Stake/pole, and the Trinity etc. When the vast majority of the time it is greatly unknown.

@davidjanbaz7728

Ай бұрын

Says who???

@user-dc7tt2dc8g

Ай бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 everything in scripture necessary for salvation Is clearly known, but to many want to argue things which, if they were necessary God would plainly have revealed the through His word.

Nobody alive today can say with any certainty what Jesus said or did not say.

@user-og2wt3le4j

Ай бұрын

Yet there are people online who criticize me for saying the same thing. These Christians believe in a complete Bible with no missing books or sections of current books. They see no oral tradition and every book authored by the apostles and prophets. No critical thinking among these critics and not open to debates. They use ad hominem attacks.

@rembrandt972ify

Ай бұрын

@@user-og2wt3le4j Why would they argue evidence, for which they have none, when they can say highly improbable things about your parents? To quote the great Oversimplified, "That's not how victim mentality works!"

@ericherman5413

Ай бұрын

Chances are we can say the same for you or I. We rely on the memories of those around us. "My momma always said..." or "Daddy used to say..." So perhaps we should consider these more reliable than we do. In the end, if the lesson brings people peace and nurtures love and a better relationship with neighbor, what's the harm? Using a Jesus message as an excuse to hurt others isn't okay, but when it teaches love, it benefits us all. Love is a verb, and it creates ripples around us in society.

@AnHebrewChild

Ай бұрын

@@ericherman5413great point. Not to mention that our English translations do a great disservice in supplying "quotation marks," where the Greek has none. This is anachronistic and encourages the modern reader's tendency to read things journalistically where this reading is not warranted. The awful red letters also imply quotation. Example: καὶ ἐλθὼν κατῴκησεν εἰς πόλιν λεγομένην Ναζαρέτ ὅπως πληρωθῇ τὸ ῥηθὲν διὰ τῶν προφητῶν *_ὅτι_* Ναζωραῖος κληθήσεται Literal: and coming, he dwelt in a city named Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through the prophets, *_that_* a Nazarene he shall be called. We see that the original linguistic constructions themselves can inform implied summary paraphrasing vs something-like-quotation. In our own English convention... Bill said that the truck is parked in the garage _is different than an "and I quote" construction like_ Bill said, The truck is parked in the garage. Compare, for example, the Greek underlying Matthew & Mark's accounts of Peter's denials of Christ to the priest's servants. But whether conservative or secular, scholars are prone to run a thousand miles in a direction (ie to polarized extremes) because, well, that's just what we humans are wont to do. cheers

@SamraHussein-zz8tu

18 күн бұрын

Read Quran and you will know what Jesus said

Christian terms such as Preaching and Ministry should never be used when it comes to Jesus in his time Thank you AJL for correcting Jacob about this

Before we only have access to Paul's version of Christianity. But because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi Codices, and other sources, we found out that there are Christianities in the 1CE. There's James the Just lineage, the Gnostics, Ebonites, Nazarenes, and Essenes. You also have John the Baptizer's followers. It's very unfortunate that the Nicean Council headed by a Roman Emperor burned the texts of other traditions, so only their version of truth succeeds in history. I believe it's better that all options are available and let the individual choose the Christian or Judeo-Christian tradition he/she follows.

@davidjanbaz7728

Ай бұрын

Your points are all debatable!!! True Christianity is trinitarian from the TWO POWERS in HEAVEN israelite theology that Jesus and his Aposles taught including Paul.

@byronomboy

Ай бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 Whatever. If you're contented with that viewpoint, you may follow that. But you don't have to shove in our throats what you preach.

@Rain-Dirt

Ай бұрын

@@byronomboy It seems like david jan baz is (unknowingly?) actually proving the point of many different jewish "sects" who debated with and amongst eachother because they had a different opinion of what "it" (religion) was all about.

@byronomboy

Ай бұрын

@@Rain-Dirt Good catch. The fact that he's trying to debate me proves the point 😅

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

I think the Ebionites came a little later actually. Not sure if they were only, Jewish followers of Yeshua or if there was a mix. The Essenes existed in Yeshua's day and several centuries before, I believe, and I think, it was the Nazarene Sect that Yeshua Himself, founded. They may also, have been Essenes or a movement heavily, influence by Essene teachings and practices. Yeshua Himself, could have been an Essene Master. One thing seems to be sure; by the end of the first couple of centuries or so what evolved from the Nazarene Movement or People of the Way, bore no resemblance to this movement, at all. Modern Day Christianity seems to have been created by Paul and added to and finished off by Rome itself. And THAT, is what modern day christians worship, and refuse to see this. My Best. Out.

As always, AJL is a delight to listen to, provoking new thinking and insights to the old biblical stories. A big "Thumbs Up" on having her as a guest speaker!

Thanks for video ❤

Thank you

8:06 - I think it is time to be open to the very distinct possibility that Prince Yeshua was an Essene, and possibility even, an Essene Master. Even if the so called "Scholars" will not be open to this, I'm sure there is a growing number of average folk who will, and I am one.

The first question is this: why does Paul and the Jerusalem church remain silent? What silenced them when it came to Jesus teachings. Why do we have to wait for Mark to idolize and prophanize Jesus, while he still states that none before Paul wrote anything? (Parable of the sower) How do we explain the dichotomy between the Mark the scribe and fiction author and his Jesus who has no good word for scribes or literacy? What silenced Jesus before Mark?

@tsemayekekema2918

Ай бұрын

Oral cultures-that's the answer

@tsemayekekema2918

Ай бұрын

And contrary to c"ynical" theories about gospel composition - people did not usually look to the specifically remembered words of Jesus for comprehensive guidance on how to practice their religion. The words of Jesus were often irrelevant to the real situations & debates that early Christianity faced theologically

@iwilldi

Ай бұрын

@@tsemayekekema2918 I am wondering whence the _cynical theories_ . If people remembered words and teachings then that would be based on the quality of the teachings or character. But when people mostly invoke the resurrection mantra, then one starts to question the other stuff. Of course oral tradition quickly evolves into a innovative telephone game. But we see actually not the evolution of wisdom, but that lack of teaching and wisdom.

I loved her answer on the role of women. It was very educational, of course all of her answers were. It made the role of women a little less bleak.

The best and its honest answer we don't know. To me, that's why I question the historical so cool jesus

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

Ahh, but the actual, historic, Yeshua may actually, have been cooler still.

At what point is Jesus so lost that we abandon these stories altogether? I have peeled the onion... there is nothing at its core, but the odor! Ahem!

@ericherman5413

Ай бұрын

There are lessons in it. Have you been able to learn about love from anything in the Bible? If so, then these parables have value for our lives. It may be just a small amount of benefit in our modern world, but why throw out the baby with the bath water? Even fundamentalists cherry-pick the Bible, so what's good for the goose...

@davidjanbaz7728

Ай бұрын

​@@ericherman5413like u don't!!!

@afwalker1921

Ай бұрын

@@ericherman5413 I really haven't learned anything about love from the Bible. I was taught to love by the people in my life, mostly my mother. The Bible is a book full of rape and murder. It would be better that we all grow past it...

@frankkhethanidubedube919

Ай бұрын

It's when roman empire hijacked Judaism .. to create a religion called Christianity

@haydenwalton2766

27 күн бұрын

​@@ericherman5413and what exactly does good moral stories have to do with the claims of a particular theism ?

Please provide your video of Jesus teaching.

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

You will find a lot of that in the Essene teachings actually, as they harmonize almost, perfectly. He may have actually, been an Essene Himself.

@Lightbearer616

Ай бұрын

@@ivanj.conway9919 Thanks, now the video.

3 mins and 27 seconds in... The question ocuured to me: How many of the stories Yeshua told, was he retelling?

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

Well, quite a bet actually, if He was actually, retelling Essene teachings.

@DJTheTrainmanWalker

Ай бұрын

@@ivanj.conway9919 I wouldn't limit it to the Essenes... Rather the culture as a whole generates the narratives in the first instance... And then sects latch onto narratives that have particular meanings to them...

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

@@DJTheTrainmanWalker : Well, I have to say that I am so, very, overjoyed that these scrolls and the Nag Hamadi libraries have been discovered to give SOME, sense at least, of the incredible diversity of thought and belief at this time. From around, Yeshua's day, to a century or two before and a century or two after Yeshua's day. Some 4 to 6 hundred, odd, years let's say. At least now, we have proof that can break the stranglehold of conservative, dogmatic, religion of all sorts, though with it, that is still, proving to be difficult. Now I am not saying there were not even, more Sects within Judaism alone, not to mention all the pagan cults that possibly, influenced the religion and thought of the time, as well. Then there is Greek Philosophical Thought as well, which I'm sure, must have been huge at this time. I see no reason why Yeshua could not have been influence by this, as well. The one thing that keeps coming through to me about Yeshua, once you get passed the dogma of modern, current, religion; is how open and accepting He seems to have been. What seemed to resonate within His Spirit is what He seems to have gone for, which is one of the things that make me wonder HOW, Conservative/Orthodox a Jew He may have been, after all. I have said it before; He may very well have been a Devote Jew yes, that is passionate in keeping the religion and culture of His People, but also, a radical and revolutionary Jew, as well. But He WAS, a Jew for sure. We would be utterly, foolish to think otherwise. He was NOT, the first Christian, as that religion did not yet, exist; and He MOST CERTAINLY, was NOT, the first Muslim or some type of precursor Muslim either, as the current, agenda within some, within the Muslim world are now, trying to claim. Yet another attempt to rewrite history to fit modern narratives and agendas. I came across something recently, that claimed that the Essenes preserved even, more ancient knowledge and beliefs from the Ancient Near East in general. That they preserved knowledge that existed within the Mystery School of Ancient Egypt, as well. I'm researching the Essenes right now, actually. And if all that is actually, true and if Yeshua was indeed, actually, a member of this sect, then that seems to explain an awful lot about Him there. Religious, conservative, extremist, fools will claim that because certain teachings are a "mystery" and kept "secret" then this automatically, means it must be of Satan and evil, so should be shunned. Not so, and idiot thinking of this nature only, serves to prove the point that some people, just are not ready for certain teachings, so because of this, they MUST, be kept hidden and secret. That's all that there is to it. Some of these teachings may go back to the very dawn of our species for Heaven's sake. If Yeshua was indeed, a member of this sect, then that makes Him even, more fascinating than before. It's not just, His teachings alone, but we are told that He had long hair, and that He never married. Well, Orthodox Jews marry, as soon as possible. That's a big thing with them; being fruitful and multiplying thing. Not so certain about the hair thing; but this WAS, Essenes practices. Though I am told that there was more than one Essene Sect as well, so each sect MAY, have had slightly, different beliefs and practices. Wow, what a culture and society though. Yet out of all that, some made Him a god, and all else got forgotten anyway. How insanely, sad. But REAL, TRUTH, has a way of coming to the surface regardless, and I suspect we have much yet, to discover about this utterly, awesome individual. Warmest Wishes. Out For Now.

@DJTheTrainmanWalker

Ай бұрын

@@ivanj.conway9919 O.K. quite a bit there. I read John Allegro's book on the DSS when I was 12, Geza Vermes in my late teens. Eisenmann's translations in my 20's... Etc.... Follow what's happening there relatively closely. That said... I'm cautious of assigning all the DSS texts to the Essenes, or the Qumran Community. I rather suspect many of them may represent Josephus's haul after Titus let him remove texts from Jerusalem before raising the city to the ground. Granted my best evidence for this is a ring with the name Josephus on it found at the site. I think many of the biblical texts were rescued and stashed by Josephus, and the cave of fragments, receipts etc looks like the way a Roman centurion might well have understood the order to bring Josephus every written text in the city. And last I looked the archeology suggests Qumran was abandoned circa 70 c.e. which is synchronous. So... I have become wary of the assumption that everything found at Qumran represents the work of a single sect. Rather they seem more like the rescued libraries of Jerusalem, and the 'sectarian writings' might well be a sect involved in the siege. Or perhaps more than one sect... I find myself wondering how many copies of a scroll might exist in a city like Jerusalem? One in every synagogue? More? Less? How many synagogues? 900 scrolls seems a lot for the tiny Qumran community... But likely only part Jerusalem's corpus. But then I also think Nazareth was named for the Nazorean, not the Nazorean named for Nazareth... So what do I know?😎

I think Jesus would be sad that we haven't learned and taken to heart his main lesson, "Come unto me," for a 24/7 relationship. "Have faith in God." In you.

@roderickshaka3626

Ай бұрын

as an apocalyptic preacher, he’d actually be confused as to how much whitewashing his “main lesson” or main message has gone through.

@arnold8757

Ай бұрын

@@roderickshaka3626 "He knew what was in people." So I think of him more as a likeable teacher, who knew that few would "open the door."

@gowdsake7103

Ай бұрын

Fantasy's do not help your position

@Darisiabgal7573

Ай бұрын

I come at this from a neutral point of view, I will go so far as to say Jesus was a sage/prophet. The problem however is immediately apparent as what his followers should be doing. First, “come unto me”. This is problematic because if we examine the Q source, Jesus appears to be sending them out on missions. When he is executed there is very little evidence suggesting his disciples were close by. In addition when the gospels try to list who the disciples are, the lists contradict each other. Thus it appears that people were coming and going. The second issue is a much bigger and philosophical issue. Jesus identifies with Jews, Paul does to and we can assume that the epistle of Yacov is doing the same. Now we have a problem because the theologies of Paul, Yacov, and the gospels are radically different. Moreover the philosophy of the church is radically different from the gospels. As a consequence we cannot use any material. Moreover the gospels are basing their philosophies on Paul, but within a couple of decades of his death they have radically deviated from his epistles. The Church maintains it took time for Christianity to develope. Let’s plot this out state-1 (original) --evolution-> state-2 (historical) In phylogenetic it’s hard to plot back to state-1 without a cladogram. But in actuality we have it now we have all the heresies that developed. And what we understand is right about the time of Yacov the pious’s death we start seeing the rise of various and sundry mystery cults/mystery religions attached to Jesus and later Gnosticism, even among Jews. So it would appear the story is more complicated and involves a Jewish mystic that was modulated by the successor cult of Yacov.

@arnold8757

Ай бұрын

@@Darisiabgal7573 What happened to Come unto me?! If Jesus is God It's a simple yes or no choice that negates any other issue. And the devil's in the details.

Read Zealot by Aslan. We know very little but we can understand 1c Palestine.

@Rain-Dirt

Ай бұрын

Aslan was born in a Shia Muslim family, converted to evangelical Christianity at 15, for maybe 3 years and then converted back to Islam, which he still is devoted to until today. That is something to keep in the back of your mind when reading his books. Islam propagandizes that Christianity started out well (with Jesus) but corrupted the "message of god" along the way, and that the Quran is the only true message. There can be a strong bias in that mentality towards christianity. I was a strong christian believer, not anymore. Now I believe scholarship, anthropology and science can provide more answers in a much better way. And I like to take note of the background of the one who writes the books. I would not underestimate the religious conviction of Aslan, since he seemingly called Richard Dawkins a buffoon who embaresses himself everyday, at one point. I know of a time where I would have agreed, but that was when I was still deeply religious. Now I respect the man (Dawkins) and understand him much better. If you have read the book, what are your findings? Which parts "touched" you the most?

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

Suspect anything that attempts to take Yeshua from His Jewish roots. First century "palestine" that everyone seems obsessed with lately, was STILL, the HOME of THE JEWS! OK?

Modern scholarship ignores the Holy Spirit of God, Who spoke through the prophets of old. Jesus was not just a storyteller, He was also a prophet, like Moses, in addition to being a teacher and the Messiah. Common people followed Jesus because of the miracles which confirmed His teachings. Unbelief is condemned, not the Jews. We are all unbelievers before we believe. Pray to God, then read Hebrews 11. Shalom. Remember, the multiplying sect which Saul vigorously persecuted, also had the active Holy Spirit of God and performed many of the same signs and wonders as Jesus. Why must they make things so complicated? Turn and ask God for the solution. Then read Hebrews 11. Peace.

@epicofgilgamesh9964

Ай бұрын

Do a comparison of ancient Near Eastern religions and literature and see where the Israelites borrowed some of their ideas and myths from and see if you still think the Bible is the "word of God". --------------------------------------------------------- *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"* (Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

@DrWrapperband

Ай бұрын

Moses never existed.

@tomlorenz4344

Ай бұрын

We have no idea who wrote Hebrews, not much credibility there

@gowdsake7103

Ай бұрын

The holy spirit of god ? you wonder why we laugh at you

@studiodemichel

Ай бұрын

@@epicofgilgamesh9964 Could it be...real events in ancient history inspired the texts of the ancient civilizations? What great weight you give to texts of ancient civilizations prior to the Torah, and yet what little weight you give to the Torah itself.

Dr. Ammon Hillman. Don’t say I didn’t warn you

@gavinjames1145

Ай бұрын

Jesus almost certainly uttered the phrase, "Εξηλθατε μετά μαχαιρων και ξύλων συλλάβει με ως επί ληστην?"

I'm so pleased the title was misleading. For one horrible moment I thought Dr Levine was going to assert the gospels as true, instead of third hand works of faith.

The naked truth though is you don't KNOW what Jesus taught. You have decades old reports of what someone thought he said. A firm possibility of a definite maybe. He didn't bother to note anything down in the 30 years before his "ministry."

@stuartherrmann228

Ай бұрын

Socrates didn’t “note anything down” either, that doesn’t take away from what was attributed to him.

@TerryJLaRue

Ай бұрын

I agree @jenna2431. Unless Jesus was traveling with a court reporter, and I see a certified transcript of what he said, I will continue to believe that we have little idea of what he actually said. Actually, he probably taught a good bit of anti-Roman rhetoric, and that is what got him killed.

Did jesus ever write anything down

@gowdsake7103

Ай бұрын

Highly unlikely, but his existence has no record either

@stuartherrmann228

Ай бұрын

No and neither did Socrates, but no one questions his existence.

@suronlatta1109

Ай бұрын

@stuartherrmann228 who's talking about Socrates we talking about the almighty God......is that your go to Socrates SMH

@Rain-Dirt

Ай бұрын

There is a "myth" in which is claimed that Jesus wrote a letter to a certain king, and there are some pseudo"scholars" who used that in their work to make some absurd links. But there is no merit to it, no proof and it has contradictions surrounding it. So I guess, apart from that myth, we can safely say that we do not know. lol But highly unlikely that he did. He seemed like a storyteller, not a storywriter. He seemed to be one that traveled very light, was provided by others and spoke to many. But maybe.. he wrote like a bill for some woodwork he had to do in his father's business, back in the day when he was young... who knows.

@komaichan99

27 күн бұрын

Jesus Wrote a Letter to King Abgar

There were not modern nations at tge time of the early Jews. You cant compare modern Isreal with the ancient Israeli ethnic group any better than you can conpare modern Germans or Kenyans with the people that lived in those areas 2000 years ago, or are genetically related. You make many good points, but rhe modern use of the term Nation is NOT analagous with the idea of nation in the ancient world. There wereno nations. There were ethic groups and empires, which were quite different animals.

Jesús fue un nacido en tierras arabigas al igual que el judaismo real biblico nace en arabia Israel abraham 12trib.nacen en arabia

It’s very difficult if not impossible to understand the thought process of ancient peoples with today’s mind. Try and enter the mind of a savage.

I love the way she discusses what a mythical creature really said when there's o hard evidence he ever lived. Like discussing what Harry Potter's favourite cake is.

Jesus didn't come to teach us how to be better people or to teach us anything at all. Jesus came to show us and to be the way to God (john 14:6, john 17:3)

Islamic isa teaches it

So are you saying that Jesus was not the blonde haired surfer boy with abs you often see hanging in churches ?

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

He was probably a reasonably fit fellow. I think that part has been preserved accurately.

NOBODY KNOWS A record made decades after supposed events is questionable at best

@clydewaldo3144

Ай бұрын

63 years to be exact we have what we need in scriptures endless speculation is of no use.

The real Jesus was a wandering Jewish preacher who believed the end of the world had arrived and who worshiped the failed god Yahweh whose temple was twice destroyed and who was sorry he made mankind.

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

He may also, have been an Essene Himself. Too many of His teachings harmonize too much with Essene teachings for Him to not have been one or at the very least, was heavily, influenced by them.

Jezus really taught Zoroasterism from Persia , the model of Christian mythology...

Jewish Washing PR, she says the original text was in hebrew, that telas you everything you need yo know; it was in greek due to Helenization

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

You are speaking about the traditions that emerged a couple centuries after Yeshua's time. Yeshua was Jewish and would have spoken in Hebrew and Aramaic, and yes, possibly, Greek as this was one of the main languages of the Roman Empire at the time. If Yeshua could write, and I see no reason why He could not; He would have wrote in Hebrew.

@ulises0717

Ай бұрын

@@ivanj.conway9919 You just said it, POSSIBLY, this lady is trying to rewrite history without evidence just suppositions…

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

You are doing the same. I don't understand people who try their level best to try to strip Yeshua of His Jewish roots. I don't understand people who try to make out that no Jewish culture existed in the first century, when we know there is overwhelming evidence that it did. The temple did not fall until 70 AD after all, meaning that for the greater part of the first century Jewish culture and religion was VERY MUCH, STILL, intact. It's putrid, beyond words, the level of Jew hatred in the world again. But I guess, it never leaves to begin with. The more people choose to hate Jewish people and everything they are about, the more I choose to love them, as they need friends and supporters somewhere in this insanely, iffed up world.

@ulises0717

Ай бұрын

@@ivanj.conway9919 oh here it comes the anti semitic cry when the argument exhausted itself Lmfao

@ivanj.conway9919

Ай бұрын

@@ulises0717 : Hey, quit it with the arrogance here. You made a blatant, antisemitic statement now won't own up to it. Bloody, Jewish PR, REALLY?! What about the bloody, M PR, that is taking over the bloody, world, currently. What about that?! Or do you have a bloody, double standard for that, as well?! What are you referring to, the FIRST, movement of Yeshua OR, the fake, religion that was created two centuries and more, afterwards? What EXACTLY, are you referring to? Even Paul Himself, if he was TRULY, Jewish HAD, to have known and spoken Hebrew as that IS, the OFFICAL, language of the Jewish religion, culture and nation. Sure, he spoke Greek as well, as this was 50 to 70 odd, years into the first century, and Greek was one of the main languages. But if we are talking about the FIRST, followers of Yeshua, then THEY, would have been JEWISH. They both SPOKE and WROTE, HEBREW. Greek yes, likely, but Hebrew first! If you are talking about this fake religion that both Paul and Rome created, then much of that would have been in Greek, sure, but that's not what this scholar lady, is talking about here, not mostly. She's focused on Yeshua, and Yeshua was Jewish, who spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, and yes, possibly, Greek as well. Whether He wrote in Greek as well, I'm not sure we can be entirely, sure. Now how the bloody, heck am I wrong here and you right?! Being bloody, smug and arrogant proves nothing. Out.

Very clear what Jesus really taught was to the Israelites going town to town about the kingdom of God, they were under roman occupation (4th beast) and that the son of man(not jesus) in Daniel (not Enoch) shall come, he also told them that the isrealites will not be establishing the kingdom of God it will be taken away from them

@richardh8082

Ай бұрын

@youtubeaccount3230 "Very clear" Yeah, right (sarcasm alert in case you are American)

@DrWrapperband

Ай бұрын

Jesus never existed.

@gowdsake7103

Ай бұрын

NO RECORD AT ALL

@youtubeaccount3230

26 күн бұрын

@@richardh8082well it is, he was preaching the physical kingdom of God

Nothing. He did not exist. But the sheeple that swallow all the BuyBull crap have very willingly and actively followed: "But for these very enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence" Luke 19:27

Jesus is a myth of Paul: Richard Carrier PhD.

@stuartherrmann228

Ай бұрын

Richard Carrier. Piled Higher and Deeper, Paul didn’t write the gospels, they were written by learned scholars not a bunch of gullible morons.

@fado792

Ай бұрын

@@stuartherrmann228 learned scholars of the ancient desert. They all copied each other. And in

Jesus never existed.

@drganknstein

Ай бұрын

and the earth is flat

@dro8031

Ай бұрын

Who?

@iwilldi

Ай бұрын

I need a concept of Jesus to state that he never existed. Otherwise i have 10'000 jews to consider.

@drganknstein

Ай бұрын

@@iwilldi how do we know we exist? How do I know you guys aren't just bots or that I'm in a simulation and you are npcs?

@iwilldi

Ай бұрын

@@drganknstein does it matter whether you know that i am a npc?

Like Bart ehrman, Amy Jill Levine has long made a living off of jesus, but doesn't believe in him.

@GerardPerry

Ай бұрын

That's "academe" for you. Ever learning, but never obtaining actual wisdom, which comes from above.

@neclark08

Ай бұрын

...your point being what, @user-tb1 gf6kn4w ? Stephen King has made Multiple fortunes writing about beings/things that he doesn't 'believe are real'... Every self-distinguished sect of Xtianity -- and their Clergy(Mainly)Men -- have been cynically making livings selling Superstitious Simpletons highly-Specific (& almost Always Mutually-Exclusionary) 'After-Life Insurance Policies' -- in/under the names of various #InvisubleSkyDaddies & other Mythical Characters.

His name wasn’t Jesus. Might be a good place to start