Thank you for posting this. What’s the difference between high and low frequency inverters?
@user-ji2st5hk1d18 сағат бұрын
Tremendo electricista, inteligente,sabe lo que es su trabajo,desde puerto rico🇵🇷
@AdamDeLay0716 сағат бұрын
No diría todo eso... ¡pero gracias!
@klausb6214Күн бұрын
Great video, but I had to cringe when you put that ring terminal on the solid ground wire. 😊
@AdamDeLay07Күн бұрын
Thanks. Yeah, wasn’t my first option.
@tjmooney4181Күн бұрын
Great video thanks so.much as always 👍
@AdamDeLay07Күн бұрын
Thanks TJ
@jpulidoprКүн бұрын
How to configure the EG4 Monitor on EG4 6500 Inverteer
@AdamDeLay07Күн бұрын
You cannot use the EG4 6500 on the EG4 Monitoring site. You have 3 options for monitoring tools for the 6500. 1. WatchPower - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHaqvKSap7PanJc.html 2. EG4 EX - download from App Store, same install process as WatchPower 3. Solar Assistant - kzread.info/dash/bejne/jK6fudOKgMe5frw.html
@user-pb2mw7hb8b2 күн бұрын
I need your help. I did the generator start/stop method and it is working perfectly except one thing, every time it gets to the battery SOC level to activate the AC input on my Multiplus I get an alarm on my Cerbo GX “generator not detected at AC input” even though I get this alarm everything works as expected, the AC input is enabled and the batteries are charged to the set levels. How can I disable or modify this alarm?
@AdamDeLay07Күн бұрын
Hmm, haven't seen that message before. Under Settings -> System Setup what do you have set for AC input 1 as well as "Monitor for grid failure"?
@gordonthorne99182 күн бұрын
Ever heard of a METER for checking voltage potential?
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
The voltage is the difference in potential between two points in an electric field.
@dr_jaymz2 күн бұрын
The voltage on the panels is caused by parasitic capacitance between the cells and the conductive frame. Its not a fault its inherent in the inverter design and no indication of quality. Because the capacitive coupling is extremely weak you don't need to earth the frames but its better to do so for radio interference reasons. The multimeters read differently for two reasons. The switching of the panels to neutral is a square wave that inverts on each half of the AC waveform. Multimeters try to measure true RMS ac voltage and depending how they do it will disagree on the value. Secondly, because the parasitic capacitance is very small any load will quickly reduce voltage nothing low cost meters are much lower impedance and so load up the thing they are measuring much more and so you see a low voltage. A good meter will be very high impedance meaning you'll see much higher voltage, neither will be correct, you need a scope for that and I done it for you and measure 400V peak to peak on mine. If I stick my fingers on it my body loads it up reducing it to about 25V. Its neither dangerous nor anything to worry about.
@jeffbaker58372 күн бұрын
Hello Adam. I would like to have the PV input charge my batteries when available, instead of just converting to grid mode to charge as this feature was available on the 6500ex. Is this feature not available on the 6000xp?
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
Yes, PV will charge your batteries. PV power will first go to cover any loads you may have on your system. If the loads are taken care of and there's still excess PV power available, that power will go into your batteries. This is how I run my system. I very rarely charge from the grid at all (unless my batteries are low and a big storm is coming in). I want to charge as much from PV as I can.
@jeffbaker58372 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 I haven't connected any ac input to the inverters yet, so that is why I did not know this. So I guess you don't have a way to modify that setting since it does not exist? Thanks for your response.
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
@@jeffbaker5837 Not a problem. I believe additional changes are still coming to allow for even more flexibility.
@slugbyte2 күн бұрын
Is anyone else having issues today 5/21 with the EG4 monitoring website starting about 10am East Coast time? My system is running fine but the website and app don't show any new info
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
I'm seeing data for my system. Do you see all 3 green lights on your wifi dongle?
@slugbyte2 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 It's back up for me now, yeah connectivity was good, odd. I've only had my system going for just over 2 months and totally off grid so I watch it closely. Thanks man for responding
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
@@slugbyte Not a problem! It did seem a little sluggish at first on refreshing the data, but it picked back up. If it happens again, I would first verify the lights are up on the dongle and then I would go to the Maintenance page on either the monitoring site or the app and see if you can read data from the inverter. Both of those should help verify connectivity between the monitoring tools and the inverter.
@slugbyte2 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 I have a data gap from 10:06 until 12:34
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
@@slugbyte ooohhhh, that's another good place to check. I see I have a similar gap on the Data History section as well. So they must have had some kind of server glitch this morning.
@terrahillfarm2 күн бұрын
Thanks! The better we understand the app settings the easier it is to operate the inverter correctly. Some folks have had some issues setting up the app and what ever you do, don’t delete your account and start over if you have issues, call the vendor. ☀️👍⚡️🤩
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for the tip!
@pauleitel50482 күн бұрын
Thanks for vid. Newest NEC codes say panels/mounting need to be grounded. I think in the past some people considered it optional and only as a means of lightning protection or something. NEC 690.41
@paulbuoniconti52752 күн бұрын
I am past the frustration phase with eg4. I purchased the 2.4kw all in one system and it's nothing but problems. Why a company would sell a system that is not plug and go is beyond me. I imagine buying a Tesla vehicle but the battery doesn't communicate with the car or the charger and you have to figure that out. - Looking at either getting money back or smashing it with a hammer.
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
What 2.4kw system are you talking about? I'm not aware of anything like that. Most inverter based systems require some wiring to do a full install. The AC side of things is usually what takes the longest but it really depends on what loads you're looking to power from the inverter. It sounds to me like you want one of those larger portable power stations like the Anker F3800 or the EcoFlow Delta Max. That's about as "plug and play" as you can get (unless you're looking at have it power your entire house).
@paulbuoniconti52752 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 one from shop solar or signature solar. Just a package with panels. Anyway, the solar part has been easy but the battery and charging them has been a nightmare. Currently working on them again. Set to lead acid, no charge. Set to lithium no charge and no communication. Not too impressed with all the leg work needed to operate thousands of dollars in equipment. No wonder the average homeowner stays away.
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
@@paulbuoniconti5275 Sorry to hear you're having issues. Hopefully they get you squared away soon!
@TheSpidertop2 күн бұрын
Hi. I can see you have 2 multiplus 2. Do you think ir's possibile to connect 2 separate batteries, one to each multiplus? Each multiplus could manage one battery. Is it feasible?
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
Yes I do. It is possible, the question you should ask though is "is it recommended?". I would say, probably not. If you have a larger load on one inverter vs the other, you will drain that battery bank quicker and then if that inverter shuts down due to a low voltage disconnect, your entire system will go down. Why not have one larger bank for both inverters?
@TheSpidertop2 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 It's an idea to use different battery packs, that will work bad in parallel... (Different Ah , different ages, different brands). So if one of the batteries goes down, both multiplus will shutdown? And if i use 2 Cerbo Gx?
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
@@TheSpidertop If you have them configured in split-phase, yes when one inverter goes down the other one goes into a fault state. It's expecting to have constant communication between both inverters. A separate cerbo won't buy you anything. You can have different Ah, ages or brands in parallel. I've got 2 DIY 280Ah packs and an Orient Power 230Ah pack connected together. The biggest thing is you have to configure based on voltage because you might not have battery communication between all the different types of batteries.
@TheSpidertop2 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 thank you very much for your clear explanation. Ok.
@PauHana03 күн бұрын
Such a great useful video. Eg4 owes you for this, as it will reduce support calls.
@AdamDeLay072 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@BlackGuyDIY3 күн бұрын
Good video
@mcdaniel2363 күн бұрын
Adam on a parallel system with 4 inverters AC charging current set at 20 amps. That will pull 80 amps from the grid. I only have a 100 amp service so it that would only leave 20 amps to run house loads correct? Or should I set to 10amps ea. to leave 60 for house . I have 18 lipo4 batteries. 15k PV. Your thoughts?
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
With the amount of solar you have, I would set it to 10a each. Ultimately it depends on if you really need to charge from the grid as well as what your grid loads look like. If all your loads are going through the 4 inverters, you could set a higher grid charge. I rarely charge from the grid unless I know a storm is coming and there’s potential to lose power.
@mcdaniel2363 күн бұрын
I think you’re right about the10 amps ea. if it’s needed, I hope to not use the grid at all but just in case I don’t want to overload my 100 amp service. Great video! Thanks
@DuncanCunningham3 күн бұрын
I think you said 50hz but meant 60Hz for the US power. I heard it and looked up and saw 60 so I assume you meant to say 60, cos I'm pretty sure it's 60 at my place. good video. Glad you went through these. I can't set it on the display, too cryptic. I like the webpage method better.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Whoops! You’re correct I did say 50…🤦♂️ Good catch! We do use 60hz in the US. Thanks!
@colormaker50703 күн бұрын
I was tackling this next, great timing it was like you new all my questions ❤. I got 1 6000xp from a source and planning to buy 2 more from another source. Can the dongles connect together even though they are from 2 different distributors codes? I asked the new vendor but they are waiting to hear back from EG4.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
That’s just because I have cameras and microphones pointed at your solar install…looking for content ideas… 🤣 I wouldn’t think there would be an issue with different customer codes. I’m pretty sure that just ties the inverter to a specific vendor list so they can easily support their customers.
@colormaker50703 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 If you ever have a chance to get to Sunny Orlando Florida look me up I will spring for an Xlarge pizza, a beverage of your choice and we can talk solar. It’s been a crazy few days dealing with my solar vendor to resolve the issues with the 6500ex. BTW I do have a PTZ camera pointing at my solar so I can keep an eye on it during hurricane season remotely. emoji- emoji
@UnkyjoesPlayhouse3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. I am slowly getting how this thing works, I don't like it compared to the flexibility of the Victron system, but for what I have it doing it works ok.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Yeah, I’ve learned that because of what you and I tend to do, we struggle a little bit trying to figure out how all the different systems do things differently. I know for me I just have to come to the realization that everyone does it all differently…
@tombarnes41633 күн бұрын
Hey Adam... I have 10 EG4 100 amp rack batteries and only use approx 20-25% batteries each day right now. Batteries usually @ 100 SOC by lunch time. A telecom engineer told me to lower my MPPT 450/100 to around 54v float, so that my batteries charge to approx 80% daily. He claims that since I do not deplete my batteries at night there is no reason to charge them to 100%. He says the batteries will be less stressed in the summer months and that is what they do in their remote repeater locations. What are your thoughts about charging to 80% daily? ~ or should I just turn off 1/2 my batteries until I need them and keep SOC @ 100%? Thanks
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
I'm no professional, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't mess with only charging to 80%. 54v is before the balancing begins on many batteries so you could experiencing a lot cell drift if you're not balancing out your cells. Most people that design their systems design around the winter months and have an over-abundance of solar during the summer. My recommendation...add some more loads! Use that power!!! 😁
@colormaker50703 күн бұрын
I have the same situation and did some research. If you decide to turn off 1/2 your batteries do it when they are at 40% SOC I was told they don’t like being in storage at full charge. I am still working on an A\B type setup where I cycle the banks at least once a week when my seasonal loads drop
@norsk544723 күн бұрын
alrighty now, this is what my son and I need, as we finish up the setup of his system, thank you
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Hopefully it helps!
@Icehso1403 күн бұрын
So...are we beginning to understand why here in MA only licensed electricians and indentured apprentices are allowed to even touch solar panels? The racking system included because that is your grounding in addition to the copper ground wire going to your equipment and connecting all panels and racks. Try touching 27 panels in series. Without being connected to any equipment you will discover 400 volts capacitive on the leads...actually it will discover you. LOL
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Now this is my understanding of the settings, so I could be way off...and if I am, please share the correct usage in the comments below for all to see. If you could tag the specific time as well, that would be awesome! Links to the parts & pieces in the video (affiliate links) ------------------------------------ EG4 6000XP - bit.ly/3VS2jca Supporting the Channel -------------------------------------------------- There are several ways that you can help support this channel. - Affiliate links help the channel by providing me with a small commission of the sale. It does not change the cost for you at all. - The 'Buy me a Coffee' - link is here (on the bottom, right corner of the website): going-off-grid.com - You can also click on the "Thanks" button under the video to support the channel. Thank you for your support! For more information, please check out my website with links to all the components, materials and products I have used in developing my off-grid solar system: going-off-grid.com
@retrozmachine11893 күн бұрын
63A is a common rating for a DIN rail MCB in the rest of the world. The next common size down is 50A.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Thanks for confirming!
@brucebugbee66044 күн бұрын
Adam, I enjoyed seeing your update video on your Victron system. It seems we share very similar experiences in our solar journey, except I'm operating at 24V (off grid but grid tied) w/ 2 x Victron 24V 3000VA Multiplus inverters in split phase mode and a 28 kWh battery bank. This powers most of my 120V loads and my 240V well pump. I use the grid as backup when solar production is too low. I have a 12 x 450W panel ground mount array that I put into service last August with two Victron 250/100 MPPT solar charge controllers. Previously I used an assortment of 100 W panels for "testing" purposes. My results in southern Michigan are very similar to yours. In December 2023, solar only generated 180 kWh, Jan 168 kWh, then in Feb 382 kWh, Mar 435 kWh, April 514 kWh. I'm hoping to hit 600 kWh per month this summer. Overall my LTM consumption was 7336 kWh with 2813 kWh from grid and 4523 kWh from solar production . The energy dashboard from my utility company (might be the same as yours) shows impressive reduction in usage too from previous years. I can't quite justify it economically yet (about $860 annual electricity savings), but I like the fact that I can ride through grid outages without even seeing the outage, generate most of my own electricity and avoid on-peak power pricing. This will become more important as on-peak prices increase and the grid becomes less reliable in the future. The way I justify it to my wife (lol) is that this is way better than buying a whole home backup generator that only gets used a few hours a year and otherwise sits there doing nothing. Our solar system not only backs up our critical loads but as a bonus, helps reduce the electric bill throughout the year too.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
Thanks Bruce! Yeah it does sound like we have very similar seasonal results. The important thing is that overall you're seeing the ability to get past power outages (without the noisy generator having to run) AND you're seeing a decrease in your monthly bill on average. I know I just got my most recent electric bill and it was the lowest I've ever seen. $56. I was hooting and hollering! Love seeing that! You're exactly right about the whole-home generator. That was the big reason I got into solar to begin with. Why buy an expensive lawn ornament that you still have to pay for fuel for (and perform maintenance on). Thanks again for sharing! Enjoy the journey!
@DavidDavis-bq5so5 күн бұрын
Hello, I have a well pump 3/4 with Locked Rotor Amps LRA at 32A, I power it from split phase main panel, it is 240V. Will 6000XP handle that load? Thank you.
@AdamDeLay073 күн бұрын
I'm not exactly sure what size pump I have, but it pulls between 2k-2.5k Watts. It runs mine without any issues. I know I've heard of others running 3/4 pumps on their 6k without any issues.
@MarcFain6 күн бұрын
Another possible reason for the difference in meter readings is that the inexpensive meter might not take RMS measurements. So, if the AC being measured is not a sine wave then the measurement may be different. Why might it not be a sine wave? Ask the inverter :)
@TShevProject6 күн бұрын
I wish you good luck!
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
Appreciate that!
@TShevProject6 күн бұрын
I like your setup. I feel, at this point, it makes sense to get more solar panels if possible. You have good Victron hardware, while solar panels are relatively cheaper. Also, I am curious whether you have shading issues for solar panels connected in series.
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
Thanks! Yeah I need more panels and still more storage. As far as the solar, I've got them split up into different arrays to maximize the solar potential. I had thought about putting optimizers on them, but Victron explicitly states not to use optimizers on their charge controllers (at least the 450/100)
@TShevProject6 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 Yeah! You can never have too many batteries. It makes sense to have multiple different arrays. I would have spent some effort analysing a timelapse regarding a non-uniform shadow on your solar array. You don't need solar optimizers to perform such analysis. I would have tried to estimate the gap between the average solar panel and the worst-performing solar panel from your solar array. Imagine you have the ability to connect two solar arrays to your MPPT. Then you can follow the strategy: - pick a single solar panel which will represent a baseline - spend N - 1 days connecting each solar panel as a second solar array (you can test every second solar panel to save some time). - measure the relative performance and estimate the impact of low-performing panels, which might degrade the performance of the entire array. I understand that you'll waste a lot of electricity while doing such a measurement. I wanted to share my friendly suggestion. Maybe you tune your solar deployment so well that my suggestion makes no sense, but only you know the answer.
@markstrout31986 күн бұрын
Adam I would love to see the system set up tied into the grid and see if it can be set up with the zero export to the grid. That way you can use this to supplement loads without exporting to the grid. As if you don’t have a net metering agreement.
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
I've actually got a video I'm working on where I show different configuration options, one is "self consumption" which powers loads in your grid panel w/o exporting.
@TShevProject6 күн бұрын
The only value of such a company is tech support.
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
It should be top priority
@TShevProject6 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 I agree because you can buy the same hardware from China the way EG4 does, but you'll be on your own in case problems occur. Customer support is the main value that battery resellers can provide.
@perthshortstays60757 күн бұрын
Great video! Is there a way to have charging from the grid based on a current value from a separate CT (e.g via a VM-3P75CT)? I have a separate grid-tied PV system that exports to the grid for a pittance. I'd like to measure this grid export and authomatically push the excess power into my Victron system (so a variable current equal to what is being exported) . Do you know if this can also be done via VE Connect?
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
Thanks. That's not something I'm familiar with. I would recommend asking that question on the Victron Community forum (community.victronenergy.com/index.html). If it's been done, someone's done it on that site.
@OrganicPower-Australia7 күн бұрын
Hey bud, we have our next lightning protection episode (part 2) out in a couple of hours. We show the installation of the air terminals, down conductor and grounding electrodes. Critical if you live in a lightning prone area as we do. 🌩
@AdamDeLay076 күн бұрын
Awesome! Thanks!
@OrganicPower-Australia8 күн бұрын
I have really enjoyed watching this system come together. Just got to the point now where our house is entirely off grid. Once you complete the coop roof I doubt you would have to pay a bill. As always great work with the vid 👍🏻😎
@AdamDeLay078 күн бұрын
Thanks! I’m hoping to start that project soon. We’re in the process of renovating my grandpas house to sell and that’s been taking up all our spare time.
@OrganicPower-Australia8 күн бұрын
Push fit terminals😖why do they do this? Perfect for creating hot joints. As an industrial electrician I would only use solid screwed terminals. I have seen a lot of burnt push fit connections. Thanks for the great vid though 👍🏻
@AdamDeLay078 күн бұрын
Thanks! With the limited space, you probably couldn’t use the screw terminals either. Bloody knuckles on each screwdriver rotation.
@OrganicPower-Australia8 күн бұрын
@@AdamDeLay07 Sometimes the manufacturers of all kinds of electrical equipment forget about the people that have to install and put their name to the job. Is the unit high or low frequency?
@AdamDeLay078 күн бұрын
@@OrganicPower-Australia unfortunately that’s the problem with every assembled product. Rarely do product designers have repairability in mind…very unfortunate, especially for DIY folks… This is an HF inverter.
@brucey55858 күн бұрын
Can you swap those fans for noctual fans?
@AdamDeLay078 күн бұрын
I'm not sure. Possibly.
@pravicaljudem18148 күн бұрын
I think the other measrue DC and AC at the same time and maybee the other measure just AC, thats why its a low number.
@AdamDeLay078 күн бұрын
Not sure I understand your comment.
@Scat.original8 күн бұрын
Please show a battery connect and comns use on Inverter and Battery
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Thank you for posting this. What’s the difference between high and low frequency inverters?
Tremendo electricista, inteligente,sabe lo que es su trabajo,desde puerto rico🇵🇷
No diría todo eso... ¡pero gracias!
Great video, but I had to cringe when you put that ring terminal on the solid ground wire. 😊
Thanks. Yeah, wasn’t my first option.
Great video thanks so.much as always 👍
Thanks TJ
How to configure the EG4 Monitor on EG4 6500 Inverteer
You cannot use the EG4 6500 on the EG4 Monitoring site. You have 3 options for monitoring tools for the 6500. 1. WatchPower - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZHaqvKSap7PanJc.html 2. EG4 EX - download from App Store, same install process as WatchPower 3. Solar Assistant - kzread.info/dash/bejne/jK6fudOKgMe5frw.html
I need your help. I did the generator start/stop method and it is working perfectly except one thing, every time it gets to the battery SOC level to activate the AC input on my Multiplus I get an alarm on my Cerbo GX “generator not detected at AC input” even though I get this alarm everything works as expected, the AC input is enabled and the batteries are charged to the set levels. How can I disable or modify this alarm?
Hmm, haven't seen that message before. Under Settings -> System Setup what do you have set for AC input 1 as well as "Monitor for grid failure"?
Ever heard of a METER for checking voltage potential?
The voltage is the difference in potential between two points in an electric field.
The voltage on the panels is caused by parasitic capacitance between the cells and the conductive frame. Its not a fault its inherent in the inverter design and no indication of quality. Because the capacitive coupling is extremely weak you don't need to earth the frames but its better to do so for radio interference reasons. The multimeters read differently for two reasons. The switching of the panels to neutral is a square wave that inverts on each half of the AC waveform. Multimeters try to measure true RMS ac voltage and depending how they do it will disagree on the value. Secondly, because the parasitic capacitance is very small any load will quickly reduce voltage nothing low cost meters are much lower impedance and so load up the thing they are measuring much more and so you see a low voltage. A good meter will be very high impedance meaning you'll see much higher voltage, neither will be correct, you need a scope for that and I done it for you and measure 400V peak to peak on mine. If I stick my fingers on it my body loads it up reducing it to about 25V. Its neither dangerous nor anything to worry about.
Hello Adam. I would like to have the PV input charge my batteries when available, instead of just converting to grid mode to charge as this feature was available on the 6500ex. Is this feature not available on the 6000xp?
Yes, PV will charge your batteries. PV power will first go to cover any loads you may have on your system. If the loads are taken care of and there's still excess PV power available, that power will go into your batteries. This is how I run my system. I very rarely charge from the grid at all (unless my batteries are low and a big storm is coming in). I want to charge as much from PV as I can.
@@AdamDeLay07 I haven't connected any ac input to the inverters yet, so that is why I did not know this. So I guess you don't have a way to modify that setting since it does not exist? Thanks for your response.
@@jeffbaker5837 Not a problem. I believe additional changes are still coming to allow for even more flexibility.
Is anyone else having issues today 5/21 with the EG4 monitoring website starting about 10am East Coast time? My system is running fine but the website and app don't show any new info
I'm seeing data for my system. Do you see all 3 green lights on your wifi dongle?
@@AdamDeLay07 It's back up for me now, yeah connectivity was good, odd. I've only had my system going for just over 2 months and totally off grid so I watch it closely. Thanks man for responding
@@slugbyte Not a problem! It did seem a little sluggish at first on refreshing the data, but it picked back up. If it happens again, I would first verify the lights are up on the dongle and then I would go to the Maintenance page on either the monitoring site or the app and see if you can read data from the inverter. Both of those should help verify connectivity between the monitoring tools and the inverter.
@@AdamDeLay07 I have a data gap from 10:06 until 12:34
@@slugbyte ooohhhh, that's another good place to check. I see I have a similar gap on the Data History section as well. So they must have had some kind of server glitch this morning.
Thanks! The better we understand the app settings the easier it is to operate the inverter correctly. Some folks have had some issues setting up the app and what ever you do, don’t delete your account and start over if you have issues, call the vendor. ☀️👍⚡️🤩
Agreed! Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for vid. Newest NEC codes say panels/mounting need to be grounded. I think in the past some people considered it optional and only as a means of lightning protection or something. NEC 690.41
I am past the frustration phase with eg4. I purchased the 2.4kw all in one system and it's nothing but problems. Why a company would sell a system that is not plug and go is beyond me. I imagine buying a Tesla vehicle but the battery doesn't communicate with the car or the charger and you have to figure that out. - Looking at either getting money back or smashing it with a hammer.
What 2.4kw system are you talking about? I'm not aware of anything like that. Most inverter based systems require some wiring to do a full install. The AC side of things is usually what takes the longest but it really depends on what loads you're looking to power from the inverter. It sounds to me like you want one of those larger portable power stations like the Anker F3800 or the EcoFlow Delta Max. That's about as "plug and play" as you can get (unless you're looking at have it power your entire house).
@@AdamDeLay07 one from shop solar or signature solar. Just a package with panels. Anyway, the solar part has been easy but the battery and charging them has been a nightmare. Currently working on them again. Set to lead acid, no charge. Set to lithium no charge and no communication. Not too impressed with all the leg work needed to operate thousands of dollars in equipment. No wonder the average homeowner stays away.
@@paulbuoniconti5275 Sorry to hear you're having issues. Hopefully they get you squared away soon!
Hi. I can see you have 2 multiplus 2. Do you think ir's possibile to connect 2 separate batteries, one to each multiplus? Each multiplus could manage one battery. Is it feasible?
Yes I do. It is possible, the question you should ask though is "is it recommended?". I would say, probably not. If you have a larger load on one inverter vs the other, you will drain that battery bank quicker and then if that inverter shuts down due to a low voltage disconnect, your entire system will go down. Why not have one larger bank for both inverters?
@@AdamDeLay07 It's an idea to use different battery packs, that will work bad in parallel... (Different Ah , different ages, different brands). So if one of the batteries goes down, both multiplus will shutdown? And if i use 2 Cerbo Gx?
@@TheSpidertop If you have them configured in split-phase, yes when one inverter goes down the other one goes into a fault state. It's expecting to have constant communication between both inverters. A separate cerbo won't buy you anything. You can have different Ah, ages or brands in parallel. I've got 2 DIY 280Ah packs and an Orient Power 230Ah pack connected together. The biggest thing is you have to configure based on voltage because you might not have battery communication between all the different types of batteries.
@@AdamDeLay07 thank you very much for your clear explanation. Ok.
Such a great useful video. Eg4 owes you for this, as it will reduce support calls.
Thanks!
Good video
Adam on a parallel system with 4 inverters AC charging current set at 20 amps. That will pull 80 amps from the grid. I only have a 100 amp service so it that would only leave 20 amps to run house loads correct? Or should I set to 10amps ea. to leave 60 for house . I have 18 lipo4 batteries. 15k PV. Your thoughts?
With the amount of solar you have, I would set it to 10a each. Ultimately it depends on if you really need to charge from the grid as well as what your grid loads look like. If all your loads are going through the 4 inverters, you could set a higher grid charge. I rarely charge from the grid unless I know a storm is coming and there’s potential to lose power.
I think you’re right about the10 amps ea. if it’s needed, I hope to not use the grid at all but just in case I don’t want to overload my 100 amp service. Great video! Thanks
I think you said 50hz but meant 60Hz for the US power. I heard it and looked up and saw 60 so I assume you meant to say 60, cos I'm pretty sure it's 60 at my place. good video. Glad you went through these. I can't set it on the display, too cryptic. I like the webpage method better.
Whoops! You’re correct I did say 50…🤦♂️ Good catch! We do use 60hz in the US. Thanks!
I was tackling this next, great timing it was like you new all my questions ❤. I got 1 6000xp from a source and planning to buy 2 more from another source. Can the dongles connect together even though they are from 2 different distributors codes? I asked the new vendor but they are waiting to hear back from EG4.
That’s just because I have cameras and microphones pointed at your solar install…looking for content ideas… 🤣 I wouldn’t think there would be an issue with different customer codes. I’m pretty sure that just ties the inverter to a specific vendor list so they can easily support their customers.
@@AdamDeLay07 If you ever have a chance to get to Sunny Orlando Florida look me up I will spring for an Xlarge pizza, a beverage of your choice and we can talk solar. It’s been a crazy few days dealing with my solar vendor to resolve the issues with the 6500ex. BTW I do have a PTZ camera pointing at my solar so I can keep an eye on it during hurricane season remotely. emoji- emoji
Thanks for the explanation. I am slowly getting how this thing works, I don't like it compared to the flexibility of the Victron system, but for what I have it doing it works ok.
Yeah, I’ve learned that because of what you and I tend to do, we struggle a little bit trying to figure out how all the different systems do things differently. I know for me I just have to come to the realization that everyone does it all differently…
Hey Adam... I have 10 EG4 100 amp rack batteries and only use approx 20-25% batteries each day right now. Batteries usually @ 100 SOC by lunch time. A telecom engineer told me to lower my MPPT 450/100 to around 54v float, so that my batteries charge to approx 80% daily. He claims that since I do not deplete my batteries at night there is no reason to charge them to 100%. He says the batteries will be less stressed in the summer months and that is what they do in their remote repeater locations. What are your thoughts about charging to 80% daily? ~ or should I just turn off 1/2 my batteries until I need them and keep SOC @ 100%? Thanks
I'm no professional, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't mess with only charging to 80%. 54v is before the balancing begins on many batteries so you could experiencing a lot cell drift if you're not balancing out your cells. Most people that design their systems design around the winter months and have an over-abundance of solar during the summer. My recommendation...add some more loads! Use that power!!! 😁
I have the same situation and did some research. If you decide to turn off 1/2 your batteries do it when they are at 40% SOC I was told they don’t like being in storage at full charge. I am still working on an A\B type setup where I cycle the banks at least once a week when my seasonal loads drop
alrighty now, this is what my son and I need, as we finish up the setup of his system, thank you
Hopefully it helps!
So...are we beginning to understand why here in MA only licensed electricians and indentured apprentices are allowed to even touch solar panels? The racking system included because that is your grounding in addition to the copper ground wire going to your equipment and connecting all panels and racks. Try touching 27 panels in series. Without being connected to any equipment you will discover 400 volts capacitive on the leads...actually it will discover you. LOL
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63A is a common rating for a DIN rail MCB in the rest of the world. The next common size down is 50A.
Thanks for confirming!
Adam, I enjoyed seeing your update video on your Victron system. It seems we share very similar experiences in our solar journey, except I'm operating at 24V (off grid but grid tied) w/ 2 x Victron 24V 3000VA Multiplus inverters in split phase mode and a 28 kWh battery bank. This powers most of my 120V loads and my 240V well pump. I use the grid as backup when solar production is too low. I have a 12 x 450W panel ground mount array that I put into service last August with two Victron 250/100 MPPT solar charge controllers. Previously I used an assortment of 100 W panels for "testing" purposes. My results in southern Michigan are very similar to yours. In December 2023, solar only generated 180 kWh, Jan 168 kWh, then in Feb 382 kWh, Mar 435 kWh, April 514 kWh. I'm hoping to hit 600 kWh per month this summer. Overall my LTM consumption was 7336 kWh with 2813 kWh from grid and 4523 kWh from solar production . The energy dashboard from my utility company (might be the same as yours) shows impressive reduction in usage too from previous years. I can't quite justify it economically yet (about $860 annual electricity savings), but I like the fact that I can ride through grid outages without even seeing the outage, generate most of my own electricity and avoid on-peak power pricing. This will become more important as on-peak prices increase and the grid becomes less reliable in the future. The way I justify it to my wife (lol) is that this is way better than buying a whole home backup generator that only gets used a few hours a year and otherwise sits there doing nothing. Our solar system not only backs up our critical loads but as a bonus, helps reduce the electric bill throughout the year too.
Thanks Bruce! Yeah it does sound like we have very similar seasonal results. The important thing is that overall you're seeing the ability to get past power outages (without the noisy generator having to run) AND you're seeing a decrease in your monthly bill on average. I know I just got my most recent electric bill and it was the lowest I've ever seen. $56. I was hooting and hollering! Love seeing that! You're exactly right about the whole-home generator. That was the big reason I got into solar to begin with. Why buy an expensive lawn ornament that you still have to pay for fuel for (and perform maintenance on). Thanks again for sharing! Enjoy the journey!
Hello, I have a well pump 3/4 with Locked Rotor Amps LRA at 32A, I power it from split phase main panel, it is 240V. Will 6000XP handle that load? Thank you.
I'm not exactly sure what size pump I have, but it pulls between 2k-2.5k Watts. It runs mine without any issues. I know I've heard of others running 3/4 pumps on their 6k without any issues.
Another possible reason for the difference in meter readings is that the inexpensive meter might not take RMS measurements. So, if the AC being measured is not a sine wave then the measurement may be different. Why might it not be a sine wave? Ask the inverter :)
I wish you good luck!
Appreciate that!
I like your setup. I feel, at this point, it makes sense to get more solar panels if possible. You have good Victron hardware, while solar panels are relatively cheaper. Also, I am curious whether you have shading issues for solar panels connected in series.
Thanks! Yeah I need more panels and still more storage. As far as the solar, I've got them split up into different arrays to maximize the solar potential. I had thought about putting optimizers on them, but Victron explicitly states not to use optimizers on their charge controllers (at least the 450/100)
@@AdamDeLay07 Yeah! You can never have too many batteries. It makes sense to have multiple different arrays. I would have spent some effort analysing a timelapse regarding a non-uniform shadow on your solar array. You don't need solar optimizers to perform such analysis. I would have tried to estimate the gap between the average solar panel and the worst-performing solar panel from your solar array. Imagine you have the ability to connect two solar arrays to your MPPT. Then you can follow the strategy: - pick a single solar panel which will represent a baseline - spend N - 1 days connecting each solar panel as a second solar array (you can test every second solar panel to save some time). - measure the relative performance and estimate the impact of low-performing panels, which might degrade the performance of the entire array. I understand that you'll waste a lot of electricity while doing such a measurement. I wanted to share my friendly suggestion. Maybe you tune your solar deployment so well that my suggestion makes no sense, but only you know the answer.
Adam I would love to see the system set up tied into the grid and see if it can be set up with the zero export to the grid. That way you can use this to supplement loads without exporting to the grid. As if you don’t have a net metering agreement.
I've actually got a video I'm working on where I show different configuration options, one is "self consumption" which powers loads in your grid panel w/o exporting.
The only value of such a company is tech support.
It should be top priority
@@AdamDeLay07 I agree because you can buy the same hardware from China the way EG4 does, but you'll be on your own in case problems occur. Customer support is the main value that battery resellers can provide.
Great video! Is there a way to have charging from the grid based on a current value from a separate CT (e.g via a VM-3P75CT)? I have a separate grid-tied PV system that exports to the grid for a pittance. I'd like to measure this grid export and authomatically push the excess power into my Victron system (so a variable current equal to what is being exported) . Do you know if this can also be done via VE Connect?
Thanks. That's not something I'm familiar with. I would recommend asking that question on the Victron Community forum (community.victronenergy.com/index.html). If it's been done, someone's done it on that site.
Hey bud, we have our next lightning protection episode (part 2) out in a couple of hours. We show the installation of the air terminals, down conductor and grounding electrodes. Critical if you live in a lightning prone area as we do. 🌩
Awesome! Thanks!
I have really enjoyed watching this system come together. Just got to the point now where our house is entirely off grid. Once you complete the coop roof I doubt you would have to pay a bill. As always great work with the vid 👍🏻😎
Thanks! I’m hoping to start that project soon. We’re in the process of renovating my grandpas house to sell and that’s been taking up all our spare time.
Push fit terminals😖why do they do this? Perfect for creating hot joints. As an industrial electrician I would only use solid screwed terminals. I have seen a lot of burnt push fit connections. Thanks for the great vid though 👍🏻
Thanks! With the limited space, you probably couldn’t use the screw terminals either. Bloody knuckles on each screwdriver rotation.
@@AdamDeLay07 Sometimes the manufacturers of all kinds of electrical equipment forget about the people that have to install and put their name to the job. Is the unit high or low frequency?
@@OrganicPower-Australia unfortunately that’s the problem with every assembled product. Rarely do product designers have repairability in mind…very unfortunate, especially for DIY folks… This is an HF inverter.
Can you swap those fans for noctual fans?
I'm not sure. Possibly.
I think the other measrue DC and AC at the same time and maybee the other measure just AC, thats why its a low number.
Not sure I understand your comment.
Please show a battery connect and comns use on Inverter and Battery
Will do!