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Languages change over time and sometimes change back... this may be why the older Sana manuscript is often clearer than the Cairo version... but either way it shows that the Quran has changed multiple times.
so there is no perfect preservation 😂😂😂,its😊 just a claim
To way he put it, it shows really that Islamic apologists were at work hundreds of years selling deception of Islam apart from using swords, and apostate laws, and it proves that Islam is demonic to divert people from Jesus to Muhammad as messiah
perfect preservation big hoax
Its good to know, that the Allah of the Saana manuscript needed to be corrected by the Cairo Sages of 1924 and 1985....
It's mainstream Islam packed with manmade hadiths. Nothing to do with real Islam wich the source is only the quran. By the way zoroastrism is pagan Religion.
Seems Cairo is the best translation for me to buy
Cairo is not a translation. It is an ancient manuscript. The speaker translated both from Arabic and neither are what you want to buy.
A lot of assumptions on which one is correct. The one that is grammatically better doesn't mean it's closer to the original. Also, the same with "it fits better" doesn't mean it's closer to the original either. Also, the differences could be the bad memory of the original reciting used to start a text which was later written down showing how within a generation (SIN) can already become corrupt (not exactly the same).
Do we know what Ibn-e-Maryam is doing now?
No, I hope he sees this and gets in touch.
@@IslamicOrigins I’ve seen the name as a commenter recently.
Many of these translations are filling in blanks based on assumption. Quran doesnt talk about itself but about other books, but some passages are traditionally interpreted as about the Quran. But if the tradition distorts…. same about references to Mohammed, Islam, etc.
exactly, surah 2 started with that book in which there is no doubt and talking about Jews and Torah, so actually is talking that in Torah there is no doubt, but later tefisirist said that word that means this, hahahah, and talking about qiran.
This video is a great addition to your channel.
Shabir Ali admitted on camera that the palimpsest was erased and rewritten. He said that they always knew about the different Qurans with different words and meanings and Muslims are repeating what they've been told. His admission is very similar to Sheikh Yasir Qadhi who said that the standard narrative has holes in it and doesn't answer pressing questions from western scholars who are very right about points they bring up.
The narrative has more holes in it than my underwear.
@@sheikhboyardee556 Even more holes than a cheese factory.🏭 🧀
God bless you
I don't remember this one from the Sneaker's Corner days. I must have missed this.
This is all about what is "the best" grammatically or contextually. It is obvious that there were many recitations; and words were changed at will. Definitely not a preserved "word for word" text.
Certainly the scribes and translators corrected Allah's words when Allah didn't make sense. MERE MEN CORRECTED ALLAH! HOW MANY VERSES ARE IN THE SANA MANUSCRIPT.
Everything looked good.
Jahannam is not Arabic word
Very good. It shows the development of Islam through the changes in the Quran over time. Please ask your guest to post his findings in a sharable PDF with the Arabic and his translations. How do these Saana variants show up in the published Quran variants?
Right!! I watched this prior to I love the explanations. I had been meaning to go back and make notes of his comments. Thanks Mel!!!
Yoo, i actually made a live 🎉🙏
@islamicorigins hello Mel. Been listening to your work. Thank you. I have been asking about the black stone being in the well of souls underneath the dome of the rock. I have a text book from university which shows a photo of the black stone in the prayer niche underneath the dome of the rock. Looking for any history around how it ended up there. Thank you
Even if you don’t translate the Qur’an, there’s always interpretation involved, as no one speaks the Qur’an’s Arabic as a native tongue.
Too long, too boring , no presentations/illustrations. Text from some article in internet isn't an argument, sources - some clay tablets that everybody can "read by themselves" to check you. You are a dodo bird, absolutely unprepared to any pushback. Probably good video, i watched 15 minutes, no links were given, no links were checked. Maybe GPT can rephase text to exclude heavy unknown words and bring some life and charisma into the text. Make it 20 minutes but in a presentation style of mythvision and i will give it another try
Muhammad in the Quranic corpus is different from the Muhammad of Arabia.
Have you considered an alternative word معمد transliterated as mu'ammad which means baptised? Especially that معمد and محمد look very similar.
Salah don't mean prayer it means commitment
Qiblah just means objective