This historical material continues to blow me away! It is so much more coherent and convincing than the silly, mythical SIN. God bless AJ Deus for his tireless work!

This southern France connection intrigues me. I wonder if there is any possible connection to the spiritual movements of the Cathars and the whole Rennes-le Chateau (The Mystery of Berenger Saunière and the Legend of the Hidden Treasure of Rennes-le-Chateau) thing which involves geometric lines converging on that castle? This of course was spun up into the most-unlikely Holy Blood Holy Grail phenomena but there might be some underlying connection.

@abj136

3 ай бұрын

The Cathars were understood to be anti-material gnostics, which doesn’t align well with my understanding of any Jewish sects.

@Zebred2001

3 ай бұрын

@@abj136 Usually linked to the Bogomils I've recently seen a few things which cast serious doubt on what we think we know about their beliefs and practices.

@RedWolf75

3 ай бұрын

I would not be shocked

I’ve been to the Mesquita in Cordoba and it sort of reflects this. Obviously it’s a former mosque turned church but they have a glass covered opening on the floor showing the ruins of a Visigoth church below. It’s there to show that this was originally a Christian site. But of court the Visigoths were Arians at that time so it’s not quite so straightforward. Heresy fighting heresy it seems to me.

@Mel, thank you so much once again for your brilliant service and sharing this highly informative piece of work by A. J. Deus, I can’t put down this Article because it is interesting finding these hidden facts that nobody wants to hear especially Muslims which exposes their deceptive religious beliefs

Glad you're reading this Mel those names are tongue twisters, GBU. PS what do you think about that woman Empire been Lydia Empire, it's a feminine name, In 546 BC, it became a province of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, known as the satrapy of Lydia or Sparda in Old Persian. In 133 BC, it became part of the Roman times. According to Herodotus, Lydia was ruled by three dynasties from the second millennium BC to 546 BC. The first two dynasties are legendary and the third is historical. Herodotus mentions three early Maeonian kings: Manes, his son Atys and his grandson Lydus.[12] Lydus gave his name to the country and its people. One of his descendants was Iardanus, with whom Heracles was in service at one time. Heracles had an affair with one of Iardanus' slave-girls and their son Alcaeus was the first of the Lydian Heraclids.[13] The Maeonians relinquished control to the Heracleidae and Herodotus says they ruled through 22 generations for a total of 505 years from c. 1192 BC. The first Heraclid king was Agron, the great-grandson of Alcaeus.[13] He was succeeded by 19 Heraclid kings, names unknown, all succeeding father to son.[13] In the 8th century BC, Meles became the 21st and penultimate Heraclid king and the last was his son Candaules (died c. 687 BC). Thought it might be interesting as it was part of the Persian and Roman times.

There was a lot of info in this one. I might have to watch it again!

Shouldn't someone check the libraries of ancient synagogues and monasteries in Narbonne to look for ancient texts that might shed some light on this business?

That make sense according to Olague Saint Eulogio, Álvaro's teacher, on a trip to the Pyrenees (which he cannot cross due to wars), stops at Navarrese monasteries and in one he finds a biography of Muhammad, a nefarious prophet, whom he does not know and is prepared to copy. How can a Cordovan not know Muhammad? Then the theologians of Córdoba become aware that there is something more behind the heresy. It was around then, in the year 850, when true Islamization began to be noticed through severe policies by Abd al-Rahman II, who had been ruling for 30 years with orientalist cultures that made a dent in the native culture (as Álvaro de Córdoba laments). But first it was the cultural thing, then the religious thing. And the famous Benjamin of Tudela he was from Navarra too the same place where the first "christians" heard the name Muhammad.

@centurysince4312

3 ай бұрын

I’d been hoping someone would bring up a detail in Spain like this. Do we have any information about the Battle of Tours? Did Charles Martel refer to his opponents as Muslims? Or were they called Saracens or something like that?

@lainfamia8949

3 ай бұрын

Saracens or Chaldeans in general@@centurysince4312

Interesting but so confusing. Thanks Mel 🥰

@Friedrichsen

3 ай бұрын

True reality is more confusing than man-made narrative.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

Fiction has to make sense; reality often does not.

Don't know was this was mentioned but I always was puzzled by similarity between names Daud and Saud

This is from the Chronicle of Fredegar which was written from the late 7th through the early 8th century. This excerpt is after the famous Battle of Tours. “In those days there was in the monastery of St. Martin a certain abbot, named Gregory, who by divine revelation, had foretold to many persons what should come to pass. Among others he had warned the abbot of the place, with his brethren, of the attack of the Saracens, exhorting them to remove the body of the saint into the interior of the church, and make it safe from the sacrilegious hands of the Arabs. When Abderrahman had laid siege to the city, the abbot with his brethren did as they had been advised by Gregory; and the Arab, on entering the city, went straight to the tomb of St. Martin to despoil it." This is 732, a full century after Islam supposedly began, and no reference to Muslims but Saracens and sacrilegious Arabs.

Thank you for this work.

First!! Can’t wait to watch this! 🎉

Interesting...I detect some significant clues here toward solving this puzzle of just how Islam as we know it today came into being... with so many factions conspiratorial in nature competing against one another someone with the power to wrap it all up in a new format was bound to arise

Someone needs to create a map timeline and family tree of this. It becomes rather convoluted

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Yes, it is confusing even for me who is reporting on it. I have shared family trees at numerous times in this series to help. I think if I was writing this paper, I'd pause every two pages to explain in summary the key points because it is indeed very hard to follow.

@blacklisted4885

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins You've done very well with it. It bounces around all over the place. It's very hard to get your head around it into one overall coherent structure. I think I get the conspiracy he's getting at but I can't help thinking there will be many counter arguments, facts and detractors. But there are still interesting revelations within. Things I certainly didn't know. I need to rewatch the series all in one go

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

@@blacklisted4885 I think what this offers us is a starting place, a canvas on which to build a history. I'm sure some parts will need to be corrected, others will need additional evidence. I must admit that family trees are my least favourite aspect of history; I find them a struggle to follow and remember. :)

Apologies for my little ramble of the 2nd Council of Nicaea. It concerns a group of Messianic Jews who wound up Narbonne, I just found it to be a happy coincidence given the discussion of this video Canon 8 of the Second Council of Nicaea, held in AD 787, addresses a specific group known as the Cathari. Their beliefs included anticipation of a preliminary Messiah (from the tribe of Ephraim) and a victorious Messiah (from the House of David) Cannon 8 also deals with some Jewish converts who continue to secretly observe the Sabbath and maintain other Jewish practices while outwardly professing Christianity. Another prob of Bing co-pilot says this about them. Their beliefs and practices varied by region and evolved over time. It may not be much. I'm a novice in historical research. Seems to be something interesting in every rabbit hole.

@abj136

3 ай бұрын

“Bing co-pilot says”. Stop there. AIs are not malicious, but they are prone to inventing facts. Use them to learn, but before spreading these ideas, look for a reliable source.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think none of the early church councils addressed the Ishmaelite heresy. Within the decade of the rise of Islam there were at least 2 councils which could have focused on the rise of Islam and doctrinal differences. Especially considering that there is an issue of heretical Christology. Unfortunately that would have been a smoking gun if the early church fathers debunked Islam at its inception.

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

It comes down to two main options: either it was hidden or it wasn't yet there in a distinct form.

@leedza

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins however there are 2 things about council of 787 I found interesting first was the denouncing of the iconoclastic practices and putting back the use of icons and relics into religious practice. I would consider Islam hold iconoclastic beliefs. The second, a KZreadr who covered the council mentioned that there were Jews masquerading as Christians but still practicing their Jewish beliefs. Apparently the council sought to get them kicked out. Now I'm not sure where he got this from and where this was prevalent. The timing would be appropriate given the link between Islam and some type of heretical Judeo-Christian movement akin to Islam.

@RedWolf75

3 ай бұрын

Is AJ Deus is saying the Arabs who invaded the Roman Empire and led by Iraqi Jews, were Nestorian?

Maltese Roman Catholics call ourselves Nsara.

Curious that the Cathar story also revolves around Toulouse, Narbonne and Catalonia a few hundred years later (1150-1250 AD). Regarding the Nasi and Narbonne I would like an explanation as to how Synagogues have Qiblas. Also saying that a qibla in Bagdad is pointing to Narbonne is much the same as saying one is Narbonne is pointing to Bagdad. Without more detailed explanation on this issue, and the issue of Exilarchs in the South of France controlling tax farming (like how much cash did they raise - how did it compare to church tithes for example) this seems rather similar to the Khazar theory of Ashkenazi Jewish origins - linking to conspiracy theories. Please note that the Catholic Inquisition into the Cathars (reference the study of Montaillou) gives lots of detail about all the people in one village, priests and laity alike. To verify a theory such a AJ Deus's documentation is required - not just assertions and map images. Otherwise it becomes a matter of accepting his theory on faith.