A series playlist would be good

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Good suggestion. It is there now.

@blacklisted4885

3 ай бұрын

@IslamicOrigins yes I found it already thanks!

To continue the Amazon research suggested by another viewer. I checked Wikipedia and most Amazons seems to be located in Asia minor i.e. Turkey. For example "In his work Getica (on the origin and history of the Goths, c. 551 CE) Jordanes asserts that the Goths' ancestors, descendants of Magog, originally lived in Scythia, at the Sea of Azov between the Dnieper and Don Rivers. When the Goths were abroad campaigning against Pharaoh Vesosis, their women, on their own successfully fended off a raid by a neighboring tribe. Emboldened, the women established their own army under Marpesia, crossed the Don and invaded eastward into Asia. Marpesia's sister Lampedo remained in Europe to guard the homeland. They procreated with men once a year. These women conquered Armenia, Syria and all of Asia Minor, even reaching Ionia and Aeolis, holding this vast territory for 100 years."

俱纷 ("Ju fen" in modern Chinese pronunciation) is most likely a transliteration as 摩地那 (Mo di na) is posdiblly Medina. And the pronunciation in ancient Chinese is not necessarily the same as in modern Chinese.

@simonecostantini892

3 ай бұрын

Could Ju fen be Kufa ?

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Any sense of what it's meaning is from the Chinese characters? Or put it another way, anyway of knowing it's pronunciation back in the 8th or 9th century? Your help would be greatly appreciated. Chinese records have been hugely helpful!

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

Interesting.

@daiqingyuan8451

3 ай бұрын

I think you are right. So 俱纷摩地那（Ku-fan Mo-di-na）is Kufa Modina = the City of Kufa.

@daiqingyuan8451

3 ай бұрын

​@@simonecostantini892You gave the best suggestion: 俱纷in ancient pronunciation was likely Ku-Fan = Kufa.

I had a strange thought. What if you looked into trade. If you focus on when alcohol and pork stopped being traded as often you'll see when the narrative changes

@flutterstone1281

3 ай бұрын

Interesting thought but i suspect those items were grown/cultivated locally back then. I can’t imagine there was any great ability to ship preserved animal products for example.

@abj136

3 ай бұрын

Except if dried or heavily salted.@@flutterstone1281

@1tether

3 ай бұрын

@flutterstone1281 true but our oldest record in history is a complaint about someone selling sub par copper lol and while the changes in the narrative were covered up. Some records would most likely still contain a shocking halt in sales at the local brewery.

@flutterstone1281

3 ай бұрын

@@1tether I have heard that metals were traded widely, and I know incense, spices, and silk were traded over long distances. But those are not perishable. And alcohol can be made locally, so why undertake the expense of shipping it? I just don’t think there would be any record keeping of food products. There may very well be archeological evidence.

I think I found the state with a ruling matriarch : it is in North Africa , west of Egypt , the matriarch was a cohen, here name was Dihia, they called her the Kahena

I don't know how relevant this is historically or geographically, but part of modern day Tibet is matriarchal. Some women even have two husbands.

@puraLusa

3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't call it matriarchal. The area where it occurs has very litle arable land, thus a group of brothers sharing 1 wife was a strategy to not need land division. The women here doesn't marry different men of her choice, the men as brothers agree on sharing.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

While polyandry is rare in human societies, it certainly occurs. That makes such cultures matrifocal rather than matriarchal, however. We have no strong evidence that any true matriarchy ever existed in human history.

Juday al Kirmani seems it should be anglicized as "Judah the German."

@TheLinguist601

3 ай бұрын

In Aramaic 'krmny' is attested as meaning 'of Kirman' . Kirman itself is from the Indo-Aryan verbal root kr - to make, do + the suffix man that nounifies roots. It is related to the Sanskrit loan in English (and other European languages) 'karma', a concept of action and effect related to fate born out of Hinduism.

@user-ml7bg6ki4y

3 ай бұрын

There is also a city in iran that is named kerman

@TheLinguist601

3 ай бұрын

@@user-ml7bg6ki4y Yes exactly a city and a province named as such. So 'of Kirman/Kerman' is someone from either this city or province.

5:50 did they always have the map we have now? It might be worth looking at the Babylonian Mappa Mundi or something similar to see where they pinned North (i.e pole star). Just clutching at straws.

@abj136

3 ай бұрын

The map might not have been shaped accurately, but you don’t even need to be an astronomer to see what North is, and yes the polestar in 500ad was still Polaris.

As for the "woman kingdom", that could be an insulting way (at that time) for the Tayyeyeye to refer to their enemy when speaking to the Chinese court... without spelling out who their enemy was...

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Yes, that's an interesting possibility.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

Hi.If the Tayyeyeye where to be of Christian footing,maybe they would not view woman in a detrimental way.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

The utuber,Persian Magi 👈 these lot have woman as head.

Mel do you think there is a connection between Islamic Kharajites and Jewish Kairites, because both have same sounding names, their original is also early to middle Ages, and in Alexandria Egypt

@simosandboifan989

3 ай бұрын

That is a strange theory, fanciful... Khariji is one who seperates/departs, it is derived from Akhraj/Khurooj, seperating or departing, no connection whatsoever with Karai'im. One can not just rush to such a conclusion on the basis of "name similarity". Karai is derived from the word "Qara" which means to "Read" in Hebrew, referring to reading of the sacred scriptures of Judaism. There's a similar word, "Qirah" in Arabic, also meaning to "read" as both are Semitic languages. Absolutely no connection whatsoever.

@vicmath1005

3 ай бұрын

The Arabic word Kharij stands for 'out' - that can be extended to _go out, outside, outsider,_ etc. So, essentially, the Kharijites means 'those who chose to stand outside/apart', or 'those who left the mainstream', etc. It has no etymological link to Karaite. However, the Qura_ysh and Karaite, when seen from the Arabic angle, are identical. Note also that the Karaites were Messianic Jews that (a) appeared around mid-8th century, (b) claimed to be the 'People of the Book(s)'. BTW, the Arabic tradition suggests the Qura_ysh lived inside and around Petra.

@vicmath1005

3 ай бұрын

@@simosandboifan989 Agree.

@TingTong2568

3 ай бұрын

@@simosandboifan989 well according to AJ Deus kharijites and karaites are the same

That's weird because the Simon Bar Kokhba Revolt was in the 130s AD and the Byzantine Empire is recorded starting around 200 years later.

@fantasia55

3 ай бұрын

There no date at which the Byzantine Empire can be said to have started. Until 1453, they called themselves Romans.

On what linguistic basis can "bar Kabsha" be legitmately linked to bar "Kochba"? The Hebrew s/sh (Kabsha) is with the letter samech, whereas the k/ch is with the letter khuf. This seems to be a stretch, to say the least. Kabsha (see my previous comment) means sheep or lamb; Kochba means "star". On the other hand, "Kabsha" having a "Persian son" strongly supports the thesis that Kabsha is either exilarch Haninai or his son, exilarch Bostanai, who are conflated in Jewish writing and is said to have been given a wife from the daughters of Khosrow II (although it is more widely claimed to have been a daughter of Yazdegerd III) Given that the exilarch Nehemiah ben Hushiel has long been considered in Jewish literature as a "Messiah ben Joseph", the "Exilarch theory" of Mohammed's origin is plausible,

Maybe the woman Kingdom was a play on words, not been just woman in charge but referring to a name, Kingdom of Lydia it may be referring too, Lydia is a feminine first name. it became a province of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, known as the satrapy of Lydia or Sparda in Old Persian. In 133 BC, it became part of the Roman province of Asia. Just a theory, GBU Mel.

Woman-kingdom probably refers to the legends of the Amazons, centered around the Pontic and Black Sea Steppes. Scythians etc.

@MrDaftFunk

3 ай бұрын

Also could be a reference to Queen Mawiyyas kingdom.

boran deht boran was the first queen to rule the Sasanian Empire. However, it was not unusual for royal women to occupy political offices in the management of the country, ... ‎Name · ‎Background and early life · ‎First reign · ‎Second reign People also ask

Could Ju-Fen be Ghatafan?

Hi. Can you do one about Abrahams father genesis 11:27 Coran 6:74-5

Another thing Mel.When u showed direction N/E for that three day travel. Remember Idrisi map has altered north and south poles. What model would China be using?

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

I showed NW. North is always north.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins . Thanks Mel.Would NW from Chinese sources,suggest that the 1500 AD Idris map,was something of a fictional introduction? North has always been North. Ps.Thanks for answer.Keep up good works,and congratulations that AJ Deus mentioned you 👍. Your are preserved in historical writings 😉.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins . I thought I will add that islamic narrative insists that, Muhammad was not a king prophet.

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

A direction is a direction, nothing to do with maps. A map can be orientated to north, south, east... it doesn't matter but northwest is still north west. @@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins . A direction is a direction and is nothing to do with maps. The northern star is taken as North. What if the northern star,was to be labelled as the southern star? Ps. Their is a hadith that suggests that,at end times,the sun will rise from the west,rather than from the east.👈 I don't think it's about literal change,yet maybe changed on paper.

Mel said, AL Mansur was name of St John of Damascus also,when Mel said wow.Two AL Mansur's. Ps.The main character of Islamic religion is Imam Abu Hanifa.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

Mel,when u said,woman kingdom, queen of Sheba sprang too mind. AJ Deus mentioned of Soloman and ants.so is their a Sheba involved? Ps.OT has somewhere about a Sheba guy who is an opposition to King Solomon.

I wonder if there's a link between Nehemiah (aka "Nachman") ben Hushiel and the last Lakhmid king aka "the lion man" Na'aman III "also called Abu Qabus (أبو قابوس)", killed by Khosrow II and whose armory (ie, inheritance and authority) is said in the Chinese Ju Tang Shu to have gone to Hani ibn Qabisa, whereas the Khosrow-appointed successor was Iyas ibn Qabisah (al-Ta'i). Given that both Hani and Ilyas used "Qabisah" and Na'aman too (Qabus), this may therefore be a title of leadership, one disputed therefore between Hani and Ilyas. NB: The lion is the symbol of the House of David in the tribe of Judah. NNB: Na'aman III was reputed to have been ruddy with red hair. The "Prophet Muhammad," is said in various Hadiths to have had red hair. Edit: I note that "Qabisa/Kabsha" means sheep or lamb in Judeo-Arabic and Hebrew, so "ibn Qabisa"," son of the lamb," (applying to both Hani and Ilyas) or "ibn abi Qabisah" (referring to al-Tabari's nickname for Mohammad, which applied to Hanzalah ibn abi Qabisah), meaning "son of the father of sheep/lambs" - aka son of the Shepherd", may have messianic meaning vis-a-vis Jesus, the "Lamb of God" and "the Good Shepherd".

@kuntul_burung

3 ай бұрын

Then Khusrow may also been from davidic line... (I think) Isn't The Persian known to have strong connection with the jews in term of bloodline since Cyrus the Great maybe, perhaps, Jew by blood doesn't mean that person embrace Judaism, specially when their family are respected and wealthy from power (politicaly) just saying 🤷🏽‍♂️

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

Hi.I heard that the Muhammad guy had natural red hair. My opinion as an understanding is he had no red hair.Black hair he had.Red hair would look odd on Muhammad 😁. Their is a craze with Muslims to do wiv red/orange dying the beard hair. An incident with Ali and red dying,could have truth,yet not as a sunnah habit. The is a non-quran hadith,that says ,using black dye is not allowed,and only red/orange hair dye is allowed.I think it's pure fictional saying. Islamic lituratures are full of crap primative sayings.

Maybe referring to the Khazars?

women kingdom somewhere near yunnan province

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Where is that? In China?

@garfield2742

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins i forgot where i read that, i'll try to find it, but im sure there is "woman kingdom" mentioned.

@johnlee7699

3 ай бұрын

​@@IslamicOriginsyep, that's in China. I can affirm this is 100% true as I visited that very region in 2008. Very famous, the tour guide makes it a point that you know about this info. 😅 Yunnan province is a very beautiful place, lots of mountains and greenery!

Allt this are syriac names, like Bar koseba (hadshaba), the son of sunday.

Is he Mhmd of Tayaye too?

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

Yes.

The plot thickens! The pre-Islamic Muhammads were actually Jewish Exilarchs! Yikes! Keep up the great work!

If syria is included, northwest of Tayyi could be Palmyra, Zenobia kingdom

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

The key detail is that it is 3 months journey. That would be about 1800 miles. Palymra was in Tayyi territory and no longer run by her.

@yoelsabarno

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Maybe the legend of Zenobia that echoed and reached China as the Woman Kingdom...still checking about the distance....😊

@yoelsabarno

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins could the writer mean 'the 3 month journey" start from China'? The record is of The Old Tang, while Palmyra is northwest of Tayyi, isn't it? Just a guess😁

Woah. There is not proselytising/evangelism eithin Judaism. How does one show humanity the mercy of YHWH? How can they help separate the sheep from the goats/the holy from the profane? Create a religion? 😮

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

In ancient times, Judaism was a proselytizing religion.

@silverltc2729

3 ай бұрын

@@mysotiras21 doesn't seem that way considering you are only really accepted as being Jewish if your mother was Jewish

I give you a 7th centurt female queen living north west of todays Iraq. Maavia, Gader 663 stone inscription. An arab female name ماوية There was also another queen by this name in 4th century. See for instance Jensen, 1996, pp. 73-75. There is quite a lot about her. Btw. Muawiya is in islamim sources refered sometimes as she. Today muslims claim its an insult by the opposition. But is it? Or is it a slip of a tongue.

Propaganda need to have some element of truth for the lie to hold. Just following up on Abu Isa Wikipedia puts him between Abdal Malik and Al Munsar which is means he was active anytime between 685 and 775. Now that end fits in perfectly on some the chat about when the SIN started to immerge. Could it be that the legend of Muhammad the prophet incorporated important figures such as religious leaders and kings to create a convinient amnesia of the past.

@20:50 There we go Abu Isa is our famous illiterate prophet... Who then got turned into a Muhammad. Or at least the characteristics of his biography align with our Arabian prophet.

Barbarisn. I thought it was from Barba rossa. Red beard. But also barbaric : not speaking the language. Medea (from Euripides) was prinses from a barbaric tribe.

@fantasia55

3 ай бұрын

Greeks said foreigners talked like sheep: bar bar...

So muhammad is like Johnny Lingo.

Mel i have question if you could kindly can answer it. If SIN is fabricated, how does the authors come up with all the stories that we read? They must be based on something. And all those characters and names, etc.

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

It starts with a history that they are trying to re-tell favourably or cover up, for example, what the Exilarchs were doing being 610 and 700AD. That becomes the focus. Real people are given Arabised and codified names and then fictional people and events are added to the mix. Those writing these are likely Talmudists, so super intelligent and can cleverly burrow things in mountains of irrelevant and repetitive detail, making the reader work really hard to make any sense of what it means. It serves the purpose of occupying the populace, mostly Arabs, with utter nonsense so that they don't have the capacity to think about or work out what is really going on: ie that the Jewish leadership are taking them for fools and taking them for a ride, in which they become the slaves for a regime that serve a tiny elite. There were probably lots of ordinary people adding their hadiths to the mix as the myth grew legs. It all worked very well. It is a master class in pysch ops. I have resisted coming to a conclusion like this, due to its conspiracy theory overtones but the evidence in this case does actually point to a well thought out conspiracy based on a messianic ideology.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Mel,that is a good writeup u done. With the Exilarch as Jewish,would them Jewish be anti-Jesus or with Jesus?

@johnlee7699

3 ай бұрын

​@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 salaam brother Asif! I reckon it looks like it is paradoxically anti Jesus (at least of the NT) as it the Qur'an itself and Islamic tradition employs very little New Testament. Where there seems to instead be more references to Gnostic/extra Biblical references. Another curious thing I note is that there is a surprising absence of any reference/allusion to the "Classic" Messianic Prophecies like Psalm 22, Isaiah 53 nor any teachings of Jesus (e.g Sermon on the Mount, Parables etc). I have a theory that there is more influence from the Hellenized Jews that adopted Greek philosophy and language (hence words like Injeel, etc). Also, the word "Nasara/Nazarene" instead of 'Masihi/Masihiyun'.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

3 ай бұрын

@@johnlee7699 . Walykum salam brother Johnlee. Just two points. Injeel may not refer to a book.Jesus is not viewed as having a physical book.Injeel could be NJL root,and linked too Torah word. Point 2.Nassara as meaning Christian,has Odan Lafontaine suggesting that Nassara is Nazarene. Muhammad has titles of Nassayrun,as well a Nazerun.

@silverltc2729

3 ай бұрын

​@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9or are they responsible for helping spread the God of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Israel without them actually doing it. No proselytising in Judaism.

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