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Wow! A powerful, brilliant series! AJ Deus has uncovered some invaluable evidence that hammers many nails into Islam's coffin. The sooner this material becomes common knowledge, the sooner the world will be free of toxic Islam.

I'm going to need to go through this again, it's mind blowing stuff. God bless you Mel for all of your hard work.

Thank you for your work ❣️

Personally i feel the Lakmhid connection to start of Islam makes more sense from a basic logic perspective. It takes less effort to bridge the gap between Lakmhids and Arab rulers. Not only that it would make sense why we see a lot of Christian symbology and language in the mid 7th century then hypothesize on when the proto Islam ideologies started surface. Im addition, the Christological debates in the Qur'an would make sense if they are an evolution of Nestorian beliefs about the nature of Jesus.

@LloydDeJongh

3 ай бұрын

Thought-provoking points ...

@RedWolf75

3 ай бұрын

AJ Deus did say the Iraqi Jews did ally with Nestorian Arab Christians

The Herodian family is Esau (Herod) + Aaron (Hasmonean) family. If the Mar Zutrans are Davidic line, how come its a Hasmonean - Hashimite line?

I hope you will put out a response to this paper to bring a little more clarity to what you understand to be true, false or unproven in it.

Islam contains Gnostic influences, and Yemeni pagan influences. The Gnosticism is implicit and explicit in the texts. The Yemeni paganism is distinct in its geographical history and practice. It also has Ethiopian christian influence. Do we merely discard these?

@RedWolf75

3 ай бұрын

I didn't. All these elements make up what we now call Islam

@leedza

3 ай бұрын

I agree. My opinion is the Lakmhids Christian connection makes a stronger starting point. The right people in the right place, with right faith at the dawn of an Arab super power.

@RedWolf75

3 ай бұрын

@@leedza Plus the uniforms of the Arabs soldiers were like the Lhakmids

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

Good points. I think a complete picture of the rise of Islam will eventually account for all of these. We just aren't there yet.

@TingTong2568

3 ай бұрын

@@leedza what is a Lakhmid Christian at the first place? What's their theology and how did it turned into Islam? This is something not so agreeable opinion.

I'm also confused by the Herodian connection. Herod was Jewish by religion but not by ancestry. He was an Idumean, i.e., a descendant of the Edomites who moved into southern Israel during the Babylonian captivity and whose tribe was converted to Judaism during the reign Antiochus somebody or other. I was my understanding that Jews didn't like Herod for that reason. If that's the case, why would his family be considered royalty in the line of David?

@debbiekershner8046

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. They also didn’t like him because he was a tyrant who had his own sons “offed” because he thought they would be a threat to his reign. He was a puppet king of the Romans.

@Ower8x

3 ай бұрын

Herods Wife Mariamne I from the Hasmodeans .... that said as far as I know those dont ahve direct davidic blood either .... but its not impossible they may have married someone with Davidic line between the fall of the Kingdom and the 7th century so its not feasible they could put up the claim .... but its speculation more than not ....

@laurisafine7932

3 ай бұрын

As far as I'm aware, it was the error of a ''one and only forced conversion'' - if this is indeed the very same same incident - which left the Jews so squarely averse to the idea of forced conversions. that they have never done it since or even encouraged it, and have only accepted those who have voluntarily studied and been tested into Judaism.

I think you and AJ Deus are on to something important, but you now need to support your thesis. One problem I've always had with your channel and Pfander Films as well is that you throw a lot of ideas at the fan but a month later, you're proposing something that's completely at odds with what you said previously. The end result is that I'm very confused on what the real story is.

@urbandsouza7279

3 ай бұрын

Jigsaws puzzle multiple way but only one lead u centre

@justaminute3111

3 ай бұрын

Both channels have stated that they are doing just that exploring ideas not promoting any one narrative.

A bit thin with big leaps and in need of a lot more work. Some of the early bits could have been another example of early fan fiction. But then the SIN is thin as well so worth follow up especially around the Shia split.

@Islamic origins What is the issue with the Pisan Church for AJ Deus?

The various "incarnations of Christ", as A.J.D writes, is the teaching of e.g. Theosophical Society of Blavatsky/Besant, Anthroposophical Society of R.Steiner and also of the "Ascended Masters" from India and else received from deceased people hundreds of years ago face to face.... and still do. It is our Creator and Heavenly Father Who incarnated into a human being named Jesus and opened the way back to our original home, the Kingdom of God.

Thanks for reading to us. I am still trying to work through the Serpent King paper. (I think that I need to make a score card to keep track of all the name equivalents between the Jewish leaders and those of the standard narrative.) Actually, his discussion of tax farming in the Frankish kingdoms puts a slightly different spin on the periodic Jewish expulsions and forced conversions. Although not quite how he interprets it. These were not an overlord class, they were tools of any current regime acting in a precarious balance of power. From listening and reading Deus’s work, he is clearly antipathetic towards organised religion. There is also huge irony in him quoting one of the most damaging American Presidents in recent history, a man who has set into motion the idea that believing Christians are Right Winged terrorists. Despite Deus’ claim to not be anti-Semitic, which I believe, he still seems to have a “the Jews done it” mentality. While Deus’ thesis might be an excellent explanation for the origins of the leadership story in the standard narrative, it is a bit thin on the ground when it comes to so many other aspects of Islam. For example, the origins of the Koran. What, they just grabbed any old folder stuffed with Midrasha, copies of Gnostic Christian writings and current sermons preached against each other then started handing it around and insisted that everyone believe? While we know that the Koran was being changed and added to for centuries, it would not just have sprung into existence. Also, Jewsish scriptoria were well known for their practices which reduced corruption in the handwritten Tora they produced. Would this practice not have been applied to any Korans as well? Also there are so many strands of Islamic thought and belief which are completely alien to Jewish practice. Would the well controlled divergent Jewish sect that Deus proposes allow this to happen? From what I have come to understand, the intellectual landscape of the first Millennium Middle East was as much a stew of philosophies as we have in the West today, or even worse. Is he proposing that it somehow got out of the hands of these spiritual and temporal Sadducees? And, were Ottoman Turks on the inside or equally duped?

Somewhat speculative but still intresting. Have truly enjoyed your videos but it is hard to find time to give fruitful comments to them all. If you need a quranist perspective on things let me know or if you have any questions about the Inarah and their German material. I have discussed some of the issues Jay Raised in his series on the anachronisms in the Quran with dr Luxemburg and they stop being anachronistic when you go to the aramaic meaning and Reading of the text

The primitive Islamic ideology was simple to the point that it seemed complex and intertwined. Accordingly, I believe that there is no specific historical Islam. Rather, it is an ideology affected by time and place. Take, for example, the story of the "isra' and Mi’raj", which is a Zoroastrian story par excellence and has no Qur’anic origin. But yes, there are attempts to patch up Qur’anic texts to make it a story. Islamic and Arab par excellence... and also the story of the (“Antichrist/ al-maseeh al-dajal”the false Jesus) , which is undoubtedly the story of the god Odin "which I'm not quite sure if it an accident that the old story of Odin has been found this from the sixth centuries as well"... etc. Look at the Muslims who immigrated to Europe and the Western world and how they simply tried to create an Islam that was somewhat compatible with Western culture and to claim that Western constitutions were compatible with Islamic thought, “until the Muslims were somewhat strengthened.” Therefore, I believe that Islam did not offer much, but rather Islamized the cultures surrounding it very simply, leaving chaos behind for those searching for the pure roots of Islam.

@justaminute3111

3 ай бұрын

I listen to a local Muslim radio station during Ramadan every year. Not a Dawa station, one for Muslims. Western Muslim preachers incorporate a lot of Christian ideals into their interpretation of the Koran. I listened to one recently who claimed that Halal clothing always took into account supply chain social justice. Also, several preachers were using Woke Marxist imagery and talking points this year.

Well I held my nose and finished watching this series. The only part I found of value was the qibla directions and the primary sources, that was interesting. The rest I found ad hoc and made me wish AJ Deus had taken his own advice at the start of the paper to not bring preconceived notions to the data. The name games came across as particularly ad hoc. The premise itself isn't implausible, names aren't easy to translate from one language to another so we often see different versions of the same name (Hercules/Heracles for example). But these sorts of differences tend to have some practical logic behind them, like the names mean the same thing (Petros/Cephas), or titles get confused for names, or they're using common syllables in the translated language that are close but not quite the same as the original language. The example of one name being the acronym of another sounded more like motivated reasoning than history. What it reminded me of, as well as the whole idea of Islam being a Jewish conspiracy, was the syncretic thinking of people who suppose to disprove Christianity as some sort of copycat of earlier pagan religion. Asserted similarities are treated as sufficient evidence for causality, and you get a teetering tower of assumptions about names to patch together a story of secret Jewish lineages hidden in plain sight. Some of these might actually be examples of 2nd names, a Hebrew and Arabic name, but such a conclusion should be made only after careful historical analysis showing that sources connect both names to the same historical person (either directly or indirectly by their actions). I also can't help notice the contradiction of having an educated ruling class creating elaborate coded writings to create an oppressive religious tyranny over an illiterate population. Why would they bother? People use coded messages and names when they're worried that someone who shouldn't will read their writings, and the code is to hide the true meaning from them. The illiterate peasants can't read it anyway, so why bother? If I've learned anything from recent history it is that lying and rewriting history is good enough for the purposes of the corrupt, they don't need to bother burying secret messages into their lies. Finally, I think the criticisms of the paper as anti-Semitic strike home. I don't doubt AJ Deus' sincerity that he distinguishes between Jews and some secret Jewish lineage, in part because I'm just not interested in considering it, but anyone familiar with the anti-semitic propaganda of the 19th and 20th centuries can't help but notice the structural similarities. Deus seems to even lean into this by suggesting there's no smoke without a fire, and that he might have found the fire. I would recommend watching a video by KZread Historian TIKHistory documenting Nazi anti-semitic propaganda, because two of the three major tropes used in WW2 against Jews are similar in concept to AJ Deus' narrative of a scheming Jewish conspiracy. The first is the trope of Jews seeking to defraud people, which was done through propaganda portraying Jewish businessmen in a sinister manner, having them chuckle to themselves about doing, "a good bit of business," or having a profitable day. The implication being they're gloating about defrauding people. The second common trope was of Jewish businessmen and bankers being secret manipulators behind the UK and USA, and in particular secret orchestrators of wars, seen in propaganda of well dressed Jewish businessmen and bankers walking through fields of fallen soldiers holding bags of money. This fed into the, "stabbed in the back," myth that they used to explain Germany's loss of WW1. The third common trope used by Nazi propaganda isn't comparable but I'll mention it anyway, that of Jews being unclean and spreaders of disease.

Aj Deus seems to overcoat Islam with Jewishness too thick...nabatean and other elements are missing significantly...many contradict Red Judaism's Joe view...Discussiion with Jay and Murad are highly suggested so as to give further clarification and verification....Deus is good and inspiring, yet he is walking alone so far...Hasmonean thesis is interesting, anyway

I think a fair bet made sense, but I think Islam took many religions from Asia to create a narrative, I believe they used a Jewish and Hindu and other story and mixed into their ideology. Have a look into this Mel I think the stories are very close to Islam. The black stone it too was borrowed from Hindus old fable stories, Shiva / Shiva (Judaism) The ritual is referred to as "sitting shiva" in English. The Shiva Purana is one of eighteen major texts of the Purana genre of Sanskrit texts in Hinduism. Lingam Yoni - Aniconism - Gudimallam Lingam - Banbhore - Banalinga. Nataraja The statue, symbolizing Shiva's cosmic dance. Sati (Hindu goddess) Tension between Shiva and Daksha. Now take a deep dive into all the meanings you will be surprised what similarities it has with Islam. Take Yoni is a Sanskrit word that has been interpreted to literally mean the "womb", the "source", and the female organs of generation. It also connotes the female sexual organs such as "vagina." What's the black stone on the corner of the Kaaba inside a womb, hmmm see the Hindus Shiva god is what they kiss and touch. Lingam image, look at that and the old Kaaba rock statue / pillow they throw stones at in those old days, a striking resemblance. Not to mention its black stone. According to a person I been talking too, he lives in India and tells me Shurpanakha placed the black stone (Lingam) in the Kaaba. Shurpanakha is a rakshasi (demoness) in Hindu epic. Her legends are mainly narrated in the epic Ramayana and its other versions. An Introduction to the Great Indian Epic. The Ramayana is an all-popular epic in South and Southeast Asia. It is the story of King Rama who must save his kidnapped wife, Sita. Along the way, it teaches Hindu life lessons. Rama is one of the most widely worshipped Hindu deities, the embodiment of chivalry and virtue. The name is specifically associated with Ramachandra, the seventh incarnation (avatar) of Vishnu. His story is told in the epic poems the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. Rama could = Ramadan!! Shiva holds one of the most prominent roles in Hinduism as the god of destruction. He is one of the three most important gods, alongside Brahma (the creator) and Vishnu (the preserver). The sect of Shaivism holds that Shiva is the Supreme Being which all other gods are aspects of. Shiva god of destruction, hmm sounds a bit like Islam Allah!! According to some historians, Surpanakha's actions after Ravana's death led to the birth of the Islamic religion and the establishment of Makkah and Madinah. Surpanakha's descendants are believed to be followers of Ibrahim (Abraham) and are considered the ancestors of all Muslims. Any way I thought to tell you as the similarities are there, as to the symbols of the goddess of the moon Selene Islam use, what a cocktail of borrowed traditions and stories, what a mess they made taking bits of stories from across Asia. Added one more connection: One more interesting find, Indian Hindus name their kids Ayesha to make it sound more modern, Aisha was Mo child bride in the sin, the origin of the name came from Isha, which is a gender-neutral name of Hindu origin, meaning “one who protects”. This name comes from a Sanskrit word that means “the ruling Goddess” or “the ruler”. Isha holds great significance in Hinduism as it is used to describe the God Shiva in Hindu religious scripture. I just find that you cannot ignore the connection of words been used by Islam from Hinduism and their practice, me think Jewish traditions came into Islam second to try to convert the Jews, it all starts with the Hindu I reckon...

Amazing the delusion that can come out of personal experience and propaganda.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

That's Islam in a nutshell.

Seems like AJ Deus had his conclusion before he started his research and stitched together a story to back it up.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

Explain.

@IslamicOrigins

3 ай бұрын

He has been working on this whole field for 20 years. So I'd expect him to have a thesis prior to setting pen to paper (or keys to screen). I would expect most scholars spend a lot of time discussing their ideas with other scholars - pre-thesis peer reviews - before writing it up. I'm still waiting for the ideal scholar to come along: some focus on the little stuff and miss the big picture, others focus so much on the big picture that they don't factcheck the minor details enough prior to publication, the latter is something Deus freely admits to, but peer reviews throws out the errors and we advance. It is a beautiful iterative process that rewards the patient in the long run.

@debbiekershner8046

3 ай бұрын

His conclusion is that Islam exists because of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. He could be working on it for 20 years or for 100 years. It makes no difference. It’s an age-old accusation. So, he digs around in history to find some interesting historical data, mixes it with inaccuracies concerning the Hasmoneans, “the Miriam’s”, etc, and declares everyone who fits his thesis to be Jewish… His explanation about the Caliph and the Exilarch is dripping with hatred. (In this study, we’ve heard about kings, emperors, generals, warriors, no one else is described with this level of vitriol.) I read a lot of history and I’ve been watching your channel for a long time. I’ve been looking forward to a time when you would discuss the Jewish influences. I think a lot of religious ideas and ideologies came together in Islam. But in all other parts of the study the various people are treated as pieces of a complicated puzzle until we get to the Jewish part, then everything is ascribed to evil.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins , exactly.

The comment about Israel expanding is historical BS. Israel returned all conquered territories, despite not being required to under international law. It is also the only country to give the Fakestinians a home - which the Egyptians, Ottomans and Jordanians failed to do. AJ Deus has stupid takes on Christianity, and an incredibly uninformed take on this.

@danthemanjkms

3 ай бұрын

Did they return the pieces of the dwellings they demolished under a century ago when they forced their owners into camps as they were setting up their new state too? Just because you're no fan of Islam and the customs and actions of its adherents (me either) doesn't mean that you can blot out the sun with your fingertip. Nor does it mean that anyone who dares criticize “x” state condones opposing “y” actions or groups. This binary thinking is boring and you’re smarter than this.

@LloydDeJongh

3 ай бұрын

@@danthemanjkms Did the Muslims return the possessions of the Jewish inhabitants they displaced from all over Arabi and North Africa. No, but you don't care, due to hypocrisy. Do you care that Muslims have killed Muslims in massive measure in Yemen, Syria and so on? No, of course not. You're into propaganda, not history.

@vernonkuhns3561

3 ай бұрын

Hello brother in the spreading of "fakestinian!"

@danthemanjkms

3 ай бұрын

So you’re asking if I care about victims of human conflict and persecution, specifically in the Mid. E. And N. Africa, between distinct ethno/religious groups and also between groups that you’re using the surface level term “muslims” to describe? Personally I am sad for people who have lost there lives without accepting Christ as our lord and savior. I am unhappy that you jump to the conclusion that I, an internet random, am a hypocrite or don’t care about the lives of one group in favor of another. You seem to be responding in general to broad and vague criticisms from others as well though. Bad deeds and wrong actions do not excuse the bad deeds and wrong actions of others. Nor are they erased or should be forgotten. Blurting out other complex conflicts and geopolitical strife in the region with various countries and actors involved as a way of excusing, obfuscating, or taking the focus off of one group’s actions, both past and present, is also a form of propaganda. They’re also not a monolith and have a wide range of positions and opinions on these issues, both of secular and religious nature.

@mysotiras21

3 ай бұрын

BRAVO! The Palestinians only exist because Israel tolerated them. Prior to the establishment of the Jewish state, the so-called "Palestinians" were considered Egyptians or Jordanians. They didn't have a separate identity at all.

Mel A small quibble: Video title misspelling The whole series was really thought provoking and the way you expanded the original material added huge contextual value. This is a milestone in the quest and something to build on. PS can’t wait till AJ Deus delivers on his promises PPS can’t wait to see how this channel develops as well