Thanks! This is exactly what I wanted. You have presented so much evidence over the past year that a summary was in order.

I always believe that the mythical Muhammad is a combination of many stories of different leaders which have been embellished and exaggerated to create an Arab Muslim Superman! ☪👿

1400 years is not a long time when considering recorded human history. We have historical people, artifacts, events, and places that date back to 1400 B.C. And yet Islam has no record of a man called “Mohammed”, a place called “Mecca”, and a book called “Quran” in the 7th century.

@yanxii1527

6 күн бұрын

the sana manuscipt exsists etc etc

This is like the Batman Begins of Mel.

@IslamicOrigins

13 күн бұрын

haha :)

That was very well reasoned. You even tied in the mythology of the magic rock Elagabal.

Many Hadith miracles can be traced to miracles said to have been performed by Jesus and Moses.

This is a phenomenal work. Thank you. Will you be willing to make the MindMap available for others to use with credited given to you? Thank you in advance.

Today's the best day of my life. All my favourites have uploaded or gone live ❤🙏

Great to see you again Mel. Keep swinging that hammer!🙏🙏🙏

Excellent. This comes close to my gut feel although I get annoyed with all the "straw man" responses from SIN supporters and those trying partial appeasement thereof. I realise you and T Alexander are "not fully aligned" but some of his phases of what Mhmd overlap quite a lot with some of his evidence trail also applying..

Very helpful Mel. Thanks!

When did the word “Muslim” develop? Particularly since they claim “everyone’s born a Muslim” and even Adam was “Muslim,” I’d love to know when and how that developed.

@nickmansfield1

7 күн бұрын

It's from a text that Christians seldom read called The Bible. Adam was the first to mention the word through a technical definition and of course Yeshua ben Miriam elucidated the matter through Job.

Song of Solomon has the bride of Solomon calling him desirable. Everything about Solomon is desirable. The same word, in singular form, is used of Ezekiel’s wife.

Mel my friend you need to put thist Video in PDF file for us ::: please

Have you considered an alternative word معمد transliterated as mu'ammad which means baptised? Especially that معمد and محمد look very similar.

Mel we have inscription in a stone at the time of Muawiyah in 7 century, found in Saudi Arabia in October 2013 with the writing Allahumma Shalli Ala Muhammad

Is this Tony Buzan mind map ?

@IslamicOrigins

7 күн бұрын

No, I made it myself.

Salve

@NeilEvans-xq8ik

7 күн бұрын

Ave, frater.

My muslim friend tell me mhmd not wrote the qn How to answear not existed ?

@bringemyoungpbuh4123

7 күн бұрын

Ask him where the wall of Dhul Qarnayn is? The stones that pelted the people of the elephant or any archaeology that supports the Quran's claim that Mecca is as old as Abraham. If none can be found, then the Quran is not reliable and not from any deity. It was made up.

Extremly helpful overview of the various hypotheses. One focus in the research is Muhammad but the other focus is the prophet.There is a tradition in the eastern syriac church of naming great fathers of knowledge and rightiousness as prophets especially if they are persecuted and if they stand up for the poor and marginalised. Sankt Ephraim Bore the title ”the prophet of the syrians”. His lifestory is one of great piety followed by persecution and exile to Edessa from Nisibus. What is intrestining about his life in Edessa is that he stands up for the poor and marginalised at the same time as he encounters various christian heresies from the people that have given him shelter. Sankt Ephraim lived a life of celibacy and this is the problem which makes many assume that he has nothing to do with the prophet in the Quran. However there is a problem here. Yes the Quran does say that the prophet had multiple wifes and that there were other rules for his wifes than for the wifes of the believers. However the Quran does not say that the prophet had more than four wifes. This is assumed by the SIN which stresses the prophets sexual prowess. Here is a hypothesis: the prophet’s wifes were political wifes from various important tribes that he as a non-arab had to mary to unite conflicting arab tribes. The rules for the prophet’s wifes were different because the believers married their wifes out of love and Desire while the prophet married for political reasons that did not involve sexual relations with his wifes. The only problem With this hypothesis is Zayd which requires further research.

This was a good review. Thanks for reposting it. On a related topic, this is a link to a 5 year old KZread video by Richard Payne from the Institute for the Study of Ancient Cultures at the University of Chicago. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lZ6gs8qyla--lJM.html The topic is the historical co-existence of Zoroastrianism and Christians during the Sassanian Empire. The talk is interesting enough but Payne does not seem to realize exactly how complex the religious environment was at the time. One thing that has become abundantly clear from listening to you and others try to untangle the situation in late antiquity is that there were many competing beliefs and cults. Also, while it does not impact on his topic, which he only takes up to the fall of the Sassanids, he clearly follows the SIN. Still, it was an interesting video. The reason why I think that this is worth watching regarding the topic of the origins of Islam is that he discusses the fact that there was a death sentence for apostasy from Zoroastrianism if the face of the appeal of Christianity Funny that. Had you discussed this already and I missed it? If not, here is another link for the Northern Hypothesis and also a possible origin for this practice in Islam. So that can be added to the aspects of Islam that can be chalked up to a Zoroastrian origin.

Mhmd myth based on Manicheanism teaching and Arian teaching spread by Theophilus the Indian in Jewish Kingdom of Himyar in the 4th century

Hi mel... where can I have your mind map diagram...? I think it's quite represent all of your idea/work Thanks

@IslamicOrigins

7 күн бұрын

When I make an updated one, contact me then. I'm currently travelling so I don't have access to my laptop.

Interesting Mel, so you now disagree with Prof. Dr R Kerr? From your interview with him: Kerr: The Mohammad in the Quran seems to be largely interpolations. Kerr gives a comparison to the New Testament: Mohammad is only mentioned four times in the Quran, if Jesus was only mentioned four times in the New Testament (about the same size as the Quran) would you believe it? It is clear that Mohammad has been read into the Quran. (Before the Abbasids Arab Christians used the term ‘Mohammad’ to refer to Christ.) Mel a question to Kerr: The Mohammad in the Quran could easily be referring to Jesus? Kerr: I would concur the phraseology used elsewhere refers to Jesus, the term Mohammad is a title, and the Quranic usage comes from the original Hebrew for blessed as used in psalm 118. Kerr: A. The Battle of the Trench is actually to do with Belisarius' who was a general under Justinian. B. Heraclius being crowned in 610, Mohammad’s prophesy starts around 610, in 629 Heraclius moves from Constantinople to Ctesiphon and the Islamic Mohammad in 622 moves from Mecca to Medina. This later story is to try and make the Mohammad of Islam on apar with Heraclius.

@IslamicOrigins

7 күн бұрын

Context is everything. Are we talking about the mhmd of the Qur'an or the mhmd of the traditions (Sirah/hadiths)? In the above video, I'm looking at the development of the mhmd of the traditions. A subset of that discussion was the mhmd of quran being about Jesus. No contradiction, despite this being from 3 years ago.

@sirupate

6 күн бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins I am, but I realise my mistake now Mel, so apologies, going through my notes on your interview with Prof. Kerr I notice he's another scholar that believed the Mohammad of the Quran are interpolations. As for the Mohammad of the Hadiths I can see why you're doing it, and I suspect it is a minefield and will be very hard to prove one way or another, the best of luck, the very best Simon

Mahmuda - the Great Hes a mhmd.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

7 күн бұрын

So MHMD in quran , could refers to The Crucified Appearance/ Suffering Word ? O my,it could be a fact.It would make MHMD of Islam,go into second place persay. Ps.claim is Muhammad said he is closest to Jesus,out of all peoples,in this world and the hereafter. To claim the above,as in closest to Jesus,would suggest that resurected Jesus was in communication with Muhammad during his life. And to claim to be closest out of all peoples; could be an addressing just to the people's of them days.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

7 күн бұрын

The Crucified Appearance/suffering word. The Crucified Appearance 👈 Could that could be suggesting,that Jesus was not crucified.

@asifbrettishmaelmakki9

7 күн бұрын

Also the Gnostic Jesus lot,and the mentioning on the chart,of rasul in the Qur'an. Is Gnostic Jesus ,same as the Muslim-Jesus ?

_"The origin of the mhmd myth:..."_ The origin of the "mhmd myth" is the same as the "jesus son of God myth..." They are nothing but MYTHS invented by humans who distorted and fabricate lies to the Books of God, i.e. the Torah, the Injeel and The Quran. The problem is that the Christians would only focus on the "mhmd myth" but at the same time re-enforcing their invented myth of the "virgin birth, the second coming and the son of God." This has been going on for the last thousands of years... with no end in sight until we, humans, start to read & understand the Quran. 12:40 Not you SERVE _(obey and follow/listen to)_ from besides Him but names which you have named, you and your forefathers, not (has) sent down Allah for it any authority. Not (is) the command but for Allah. He has commanded that not you worship but Him Alone. That (is) the religion the right, but most [the] men (do) not know. The one and only authority from the One True God is His Scriptures... NOT humans! So, the Sunnis, Shiites & Sectarians invented the name "mhmd myth" from the verses of the Quran and the Christians invented the "jesus myth" from their Injeel. _peace_ *The Quran is its own dictionary. The Quran explains everything in detail. Humans simply fabricate lies by twisting & corrupting the Scriptures.*

@MHMD.IS.Jesu.3110

6 күн бұрын

THE QURAN is uncreated, according to you. Thus you make it equal with God! And thus YOU are Shukrim!

@shukriyusof2104

6 күн бұрын

@@MHMD.IS.Jesu.3110 You put words when you invented, _"the Quran is uncreated, according to you."_ How on earth did you get there? In which sentence, phrase or word that I wrote which gave you that fantasy? _peace_ *There is one book we must read before we die... The Quran.*

very boring

@charlesmuhmanson3928

7 күн бұрын

I hope you got your money's worth.

@mysotiras21

7 күн бұрын

Not Mel's problem. Islam IS boring. Stupidity is often tedious to unravel.

@IslamicOrigins

7 күн бұрын

Probably is but there we go, someone has to crawl through the crap to find out the truth. 😂

@nickmansfield1

7 күн бұрын

@@charlesmuhmanson3928 No.

@nickmansfield1

7 күн бұрын

@@mysotiras21 That's why you are here.