This is my own voice. It seems some think it is an AI voice. 😂

@morghe321

23 күн бұрын

Why would they think that? 😅

@UniteAgainstEvil

22 күн бұрын

😂❤

@craigmatchett6953

17 күн бұрын

Well... Mel and AI are very close😅. Great job mate - you have a voice of an all-powerfull agent (i.e. YHWH!)

Breaking the narrative bit by bit. Interesting tidbits. Your reading voice has definitely improved. 😊

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

I'm losing my self-consciousness, that probably helps.

the reading voice is really great. it sound like ai generated but not boring. high quality

Another informative video. Great sleuthing.

Very interesting have never made the connection between Maccabee’s and the Quran- the Quranic passage being utter nonsense that elephants would be able to survive in Arabia! John Here-a-cane-us and Ant-I-O-cuss epi-fane-ees at least that is how I was respectfully taught to pronounce those names in the 70’😢s

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

My pronunciation of words is dreadful. Thanks for the guidance.

@IslamicOrigins i also find many similarities between the Abraha story and that of General Edmund Allenby's taking of Jerusalem (1917)

I know that AI voice overs are easier to produce, but the human voice is better.

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

That's my own voice.

@SaintOtter

22 күн бұрын

Lol

The difference is that the year of the elephant in the Quran is supposed to be when the muhammad was born which means that the miracle in the Quran is to defend the polytheist shrine and not a monotheistic one. Then we note the desecrations of the kaaba and the black stone AFTER the Muslims control Mecca with an Umayyad catapult first cracking the black stone, and later the Qarmatians breaking it into fragments when they stole the black stone and held it for ransom. So in the end you have to come to the conclusion that allah defended the pagan shrine and let the Muslim one be desecrated at least twice. It has also been claimed since then that Muslims have tried to gouge out a fragment for themselves to take home as a souvenir.

Wait the Surah Al Fil (105) doesn't mention the antagonist there as polytheist even the standard Islamic narative said the army of elephant are christian from Eithiopian origin who ruled yemen

Cavalry not Calvary.😂

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

I know I realised I did that after recording it. *Face palm* Goes to show the place of Jesus' death means more to me than horses. :)

Sounds like the battle of Zama of king juba the first against the romans in ancient carthage when Romans besieged him jn his castle.. North african giant elephants were used hugely in that battle

@IslamicOrigins

22 күн бұрын

Have you got a citation? Used hugely? African elephants were generally bad as war elephants, they were very hard to train, and they tended to use Asian elephants instead.

@OksintasObones

22 күн бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins i don't know if the Roman historian Sallust wrote about it but if you check about the Battle of Zama 202 BC between the Roman Scipio Africanus and the Carthaginian Hannibal Barca

@IslamicOrigins

22 күн бұрын

@@OksintasObones I'm trying to factcheck all of this to settle in my mind if this is worth pursuing further. What I've gathered so far, is this subspecies is at the lowest end in size of African elephants, at 2.5 m to the shoulder, and that they were extinct by the 4th century AD. They were also inferior to the Elephants used by the Seleucids, according to the 2nd century BC, Polybius (The Histories; 5.84) than the larger Indian elephants used by the Seleucid kings. Apart from they being an example of elephants used in war, I can't see much of a parallel or a relevance for those writing surah 105. Hannibal's elephants were more of interest to Europeans as they went over the alps but at Carthage were relatively remote for those in Syria/Iraq, whereas the Seleucid elephants are part of local and biblical history for the writers of the qur'an. There is also no sense of God's intervention in the story.

@kaloarepo288

22 күн бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Then there was Pyrrhus of Epirus who invaded Italy with elephants and fought the Romans in several battles. Pyrrhus got his elephants from the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty in Egypt who also used Indian elephants. The Seleucid kings got elephants as part of a peace treaty with Chandragupta Maurya the Indian emperor. The Seleucids had a huge holding facility in one of the Syrian cities where elephants were raised and trained- Apamea I think.

None of the books of Maccabees form part of the Hebrew bible, and the books were and are not widely known or studied among the Jews even today. The Catholic Bible on the other hand includes the books as Cannon. It's possible that the stories were introduced by jews, but Christians would actually have been more familiar and would have had access to the books.

@IslamicOrigins

19 күн бұрын

You do realise that the books of Maccabees are the basis of Hanukkah and the menorah, right? Your claims sound wildly implausible.

@Christusregna

17 күн бұрын

​@@IslamicOriginstell him bro, all.

You know your theory is bad when less than half of the verses in a 5 verse surah share any similarity with what you’re trying to link it with.

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

Ah, wait for part 3 and tell me if you still think that.

@Number1MisinformationHater

23 күн бұрын

@@IslamicOriginsI’d like to add that the first two verses indicate that the audience is already supposed to be familiar with the story.

@Number1MisinformationHater

23 күн бұрын

Why did you heart my comment?

@IslamicOrigins

23 күн бұрын

@@Number1MisinformationHater because these were popular books to them. Protestants don't know them but 7th century Jews and Christians were very familiar with them. The Sasanians were viewed like the Seleucids.

@Number1MisinformationHater

22 күн бұрын

@@IslamicOrigins Very few Jews are familiar with the Book of Maccabees, considering the fact that it’s not part of the Tanakh. The only other time the same phrase is used in the Qur’an is in 89:6, where it talks about the destruction of ‘Aad, a south-Arabian tribe not mentioned in the Bible. Several much more popular narratives, such as those of Adam (38:69-70), Noah (11:49), Joseph (12:3/12:102), Moses (28:44-46) and Mary (3:44), are said to have been unknown to the initial audience.

will you debate a muslim about this ? or youre convinced you have the truth and only you

@valkyrie3493

22 күн бұрын

Can a Muslim tell us how elephants survived an expedition into the desert of Arabia which has little water? Do you know how much water an elephant consumes? 😂 😂 😂 Also, elephants have never been domesticated in Africa. So where did the army even get domesticated war elephants from? It's all plagiarized from existing stories and legends. 😂 😂

@TheMokkii

22 күн бұрын

@valkyrie3493 hey elephant expert, I'm african and we have elephants. You europeans don't. So that army of 1 elephant and foot soldiers came from west Africa. At that time, west africa had elephants. How do you think hannibal got his animals from hundreds of years before? You're clearly very talkative but not very good reader of history.

@TheMokkii

22 күн бұрын

@valkyrie3493 literally show us 1 thing that was 100 plagiarized

@TheMokkii

22 күн бұрын

@valkyrie3493 lastly, about only a dozen of people in arabia back then were educated. Arabs didn't know how to read or write for the most part so no plagiarism. Just you guys unable to have a debate with Muslims.and it shows

@valkyrie3493

22 күн бұрын

@@TheMokkii Ọdẹ. I'm african as well. Show us where in the history of African empires, that Africans domesticated elephants. Quickly.