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i can see re-recording and touring old stuff as the save choice in nowadays economy, but as fan it´s also quite boring most of the time unless your 16 and just discovered metal. I want to see my band grow and expand instead of playing "Walk" for the 10.000th time. Nothing wrong with acknowleding your classics but a band should have more to offer after 30+ years. In some cases in can stomach re-recordings, like "First Strike Still Deadly" by Testament was surprisingly cool. But in the Cavalera´s brothers case it just feels like a quick and lazy buck. Max is keeping everything in the family nowadays and it just surrounded by yay sayers who support everything he does regardless. Try do some new material but this just feels cheap and lazy, especially the re-recording of "Schizophrenia".
This is a very well put together performance and band. Glad to see the front man does a podcast
Small tip for travel to the United States. United Airlines don't weigh carry-on baggage. I flew to the USA in March, had to purchase an extra bag (200USD return), but had close to 60kg of gear. Beware that domestic flights always over-subscribe carry-on luggage so either prepare to haggle with ground staff or prepare to check in your carry-on luggage.
Welcome back sir! Good to see you're out of the clink. ;-)
Alan, you persistently misunderstand and misrepresent the US munitions to Ukraine issue. The vast majority of kit is surplus that is already not being used, slightly out of date, sitting fallow and costs exorbitantly large amounts of money to store and maintain or decommision safely. The majority of the 150 blah blah billion was spend a decade ago by the USA as part of its already gargantuan yearly military budget. Same with the UK and our relatively tiny military budget. We mostly donate kit that is being replaced soon by a new generation of tech. But it's now an fact-free, alt right talking point to act as if they're spending money on supporting Ukraine they could spend on 'us'. If you object, you should object to the fact the US has a consistently huge military budget meaning it has an huge amount of surplus and often unused military equipment. Never mind the fact all developed countries not constantly engaged in unending meat-grinding wars (such as Ukraine right now) normally have military surpluses, even with much smaller militaries in the EU such as Germany. The Ukraine war is not a conspiracy of arms manufacturers. The Yanks already spend infinite money on weapons. The production needs to step up in terms of dumb bombs, actually, artillery shells, not just the useful smart bombs/drone tech we're insistent on sending there in limited quantities. Ukraine manufactures its own but has had huge shortages over the winter due to local munitions firms taking the money and not actually producing the goods. If anyone's doing amazingly out of that war who wasn't before, btw, it's Iran. Iran getting much needed revenue from its Shahed drone manufacturing and supply to Russia.
Check the stock exchange and see how well Arms manufacturers are doing right now.....Ukraine is being given enough to keep fighting but not enough to win? to prolong the conflict and sell more weapons into. I never said it was a conspiracy of arms manufacturers, I just said, they are making a lot of money from it through defence contracts and it is in their interest for it to not be resolved. I don't think that's misunderstanding or misrepresenting. Testing ground for new weaponry? maybe....Iran doing well from drone $$$, definitely! fair point, but mine stands, munitions companies make more money from the conflict, I think that's hard to argue against that.
To be honest, the Primordial shirts costing $25 in Seattle was less than what I expected. Smaller touring bands many years ago would often charge $20 for a shirt and no one would have an issue with it. So $5 more for a bigger, rarer band, with the insane cost hikes? Shoot, thats nuthin!
I live in north Idaho and really wanted to go to that show 😢
Great episode! Very glad y’all made it to the PNW.
so are we....
"Y'all come back now, ya hear!"
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This is an absolute assault of sound and I love it.
Totally see that Candlemass DNA in Primordial. Didn't think about it but that grandiosity to the folk and melancholic underpinnings apart from Quorthon is definitely Candlemass inspired (but not derived ie non-derivative). Somewhere all archetypal metal converges on a specific strand of descent and spirit.
Land of the free... Europe and the US: when you are illegal it appears you can get in quite easy but going the official way is costly and harder. Similar problems there as here: housing, energy, grocerie shopping, prices going up 25-30%... been there recently and spoke to their citizens.. The European disdain, especially under a Republican present has always baffled me.
Great!!! When the next record will come out?
OLD “Peel away…… and emerge!!”
Too close enough to touch is one of my favorite videos ever!…. Casual Murder friggin rules!!!!! Love old Scorn, Collosus and Vae Solis being the beasts! You should have also been involved with Ice - Under the skin (somehow I thought you were, but Google tells me different). Casual murder!!!!!!
Top end of hearing goes with age ... middle age. Although I've been unable to really hear people above loud music and bar noise all my life.
I'll be at the Maryland Deathfest, and I'm going entirely for you. Well, Primordial actually, but you guys and also Bloodbath. Hopefully if I luck out and run into Alan he'll talk to me for two minutes. And I'm hoping that I'll finally be able to get a Primordial t shirt?
Yeah, doing those visa petitions was a pain in the ass back when I did them for the heathen crusade bands in 2005-2007. They took a lot of time and organization and money. But it was worth it.
See you in Mesa!
Gonna try and make Seattle!
Don't be sold so fast, my (unmet) friend! The Primordial gig was at El Corazón, a medium-sized venue located in an outskirt-like area known as the Industrial District. That district and its neighbor Georgetown might match Averill's description... Stray much beyond, and you'll find a place very different. For the past 12 or so years Seattle has been a model example of the consequences of rapid influx of yuppies and overshadowing of local roots. Seattle underwent dramatic changes in the decade after the '07-'08 financial crisis. By around 2018, when I (thankfully) escaped, the city to me felt totally overrun by gentrification, spearheaded by the growth of the *new* Amazon, headquartered in the heart of the city. The world's largest virtual shopping mall would soon in colloquial use replace the forest after which it was (abominably) named. At the other end of the wealth spectrum, Seattle is also 'home' to a massive homeless population :( Absurdly, this is all surrounded by majestic nature. Lastly, be warned that summer weeks are typically very sunshiny, even hot. Anyway, I'm really glad to hear that the city got the respite of a Primordial concert! That's pretty cool.
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It's good to see Primordial finally getting a livestream from the Rock Hard Festival 2024 on the 18th of May. kzread.infoxmkc_GSah7k?feature=shared
Cya on chat then!
top post man cheers for the link \m/
Thanks for the link!!! Though, I guess I'll be missing it live. The only way I'm awake at 9:15 am on a Saturday is if I haven't gone to bed yet. hahahaha!
@@Peter-by3ox Thanks, I do what I can to help out the bands I like & PRIMORDIAL are at the top of the list.
@hkrug666 Thanks, I can understand that. I believe we talked about me once living on the West Coast before and Rockpalast is pretty good at having the shows up for a while. So sleep in and Enjoy the show later!
I have all of these on CD. Born Again is a mixed bag, but far from terrible, but Eternal Idol, Seventh Star, Headless Cross and Tyr are fantastic albums! I'm so glad that they get a re-release abd more attention. Cross Purposes is decent, but Forbidden is mediocre at best, but even that has some good rifs. They whole story of this band is so fascinating. To think that there was a tile when Sabbath had to cancel shows... There are many thibgs that could be better today, but thankfully the love of classic metal lives on stronger than ever, so that old masters get their deserved attention.
I think Forbidden is a much better album than people claim it to be.
Finally catching up on all of these videos from Alan... I too discovered Coroner way back when the Masked Jackal video premiered on TV (Headbanger's Ball on MTV in this case). I was instantly hooked because of the aesthetic and musical virtuosity. I am also a Coroner fan that loves Grin, and indeed there was a vinyl of it--I have it! Regarding the idea that Coroner is the "Rush of thrash metal", I believe the analogy has less to do with the sound and more that the musicians are mimicking Rush's lineup: The drummer wrote most of the lyrics (maybe all?) as Peart did for Rush and the bass player was also the vocalist as Lee was for Rush. And Coroner is back, supposedly with a new album in the future albeit with a new drummer.
Some of the songs on Forbidden are not that bad. It has its place. 'Can't get close enough' and 'I won't cry for you' are probably my favorite songs. The production and mix was bad, and Tony was not sounding as great as on earlier records. I will still definitely check out the remixed version that's coming out soon.
I don't follow Kim's train of thought that private property is necessarily authoritarian. Interacting with others' private property is optional, not mandatory, and therefore not authoritarian. What am i missing here?
How would a person today survive without interacting with others private property, legally or illegally. Where is the land they can live on, farm, and shape their fate on? Every single piece of land in the world is owned either by the private or the state. There are several countries now where there are more empty houses than homeless people. The only reason that's possible is because anyone trying to live in them, fix them up, etc, will be subjected to state violence.
@DenUngeHerrHolm Maybe he was describing a European problem. Here in the USA, it is easy to buy undeveloped land. Sure, everything is more expensive than it was 5 years ago, but it's certainly doable. But he was describing the problem from a technological problem with the assumption that things like smartphones and social media are requirements for survival. They certainly are not.
@jonzaremba So now you're just confirming the same thing as me. There is unused, undeveloped land. There are people who don't have a home. Yet if those people move unto that empty land, develop it, build a home, plant and take care of the soil, that would be illegal. That is authoritarian, just like kings forbidding peasantta to hunt in their forest was authoritarian.
@DenUngeHerrHolm if they do so without buying the land, yes of course it would be illegal. But there's nothing stopping proficient people from buying, developing, and thriving on their own property.
@@jonzaremba So in other words, if you don't interact with the system in the exact way the system wants you to, you have the choice between prison or starvation. That's authoritarian. If you live in a country where there are more empty houses than there are homeless, and people are dying in the streets because they have no home, then the only thing stopping them from taking over an empty house is the police. Which means the police are violently protecting this imaginary property system at the cost of the people. There is no good justification for a system of "private property", because all the land property was originally stolen with methods that today are illegal. Some of the land was conquered. Some was stolen. Some was taken with illegal contracts or trickery. So in this system of "private property" there is no way of creating or finding any new property, which means the rich own everything that can be owned, and the only way to not be targeted by the police is for the poor to pay the rich. That isn't just authoritarian, it is insane.
Alin came to the crux of all our problems around 1:00:00, although he probably didn't intend it as I prefer. Childbirth. These concerns over the isms are a matter of scale. If our population was a reasonable size, we wouldn't have much to gripe about and a utopian commune would be an actual possibility.
Doug Stanhope was particularly insightful on this topic about 15 years ago.
Really interesting conversation! The bit about drawing blood from a band to paint with was 👀
Excellent Alan! We need more of these types of episodes no matter the subject or guest.
That ending was priceless.... hahahahaha
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Interesting fact- Black Sabbath never used the same band logo twice. Thanks for this video, it's about one of my favourite topics!
I discovered Kreator with Renewal, really loved it and especially that post apocalyptic industrial Atmosphere on it. After that i discovered the old Albums and i got why People disliked renewal. But it aged very well, better than Albums from other Bands that put industrial in their music at that time.
MORE LISTS!!!! >:(
My first album was Pleasure to Kill - yes, savagery abounds. Saw them live with Renewal (I like the sound and the songs as well). Even musically, they have done enough to deserve the highest praise and respect. Excellent call as always!
Great talk!!
TV Crimes from Dehumanizer is a effing rager!
I would gladly pay $50 a month to Spotify to support the bands that I love. All that they need to do is to open that tier. I think that Metal fans would embrace this. I can go to a show & buy merch, but I know that my beloved bands see little profit at the end of the day. Metal, in general terms, has a 'working class' background to it, & though we're not billionaires, we want to reward the musicians who speak for us & make this life livable.
I've always loved the Tony Martin albums (sans Forbidden, like most). They're really soaring, majestic works. And yes, Tony was undeniably the most skilled singer Sabbath ever had, and easily my favorite.
I don’t understand the dislike for Born Again. It’s a killer metal record. I like the Martin albums too, but, Born Again blows them out of the water.
I think Ray Gillen had AIDS
Ray Gilen wasn't in Damn YAnkees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Badlands right!?….
I can't wait for someone to do an AI of Ian Gillan singing The Seventh Star album.
Born Again, Tyr, Forbidden, Cross Purposes, Dehumanizer, Headless Cross ... I'll take them over all the Ozzy albums.
You’ve got Halford performance with BS on yt.
Hey Alan, would love a Judas Priest discography video someday. I'm curious about your opinion on Turbo (and whether I should buy it or not).
i acquired Headless Cross for free, left behind by some guy that had moved out of a house we partied in. we were told to work away at them great album.
I agree. Tony Iommi is Black Sabbath!!! Ozzy & and Sharon do everything in their power to rewrite Black Sabbath's history and discredit the non Ozzy albums and aggressively and disrespectfully shit on their vocalists mainly RJD. I guess the fact that Ozzy is the worst vocalist in the bands history must make them (paranoid) and so defensive. It's really laughable, if you think about it, but also proves money can't buy everything. Ozzy's legacy is cemented as one of the greatest, so show some class, be proud of it, and let it do your talking for you. There is no need to shit on and try to erase or cancel others. Having said that, there's only 2 albums in the entire Sabbath catalog that I do not really like and that's "Never Say Die" & "Forbidden," and it is not because of the vocalist or their performance on either of those and even those albums have some good stuff on them. Take some time and read up on Ray Gillen.. (there's some crazy shit out there). Another Good One Alan!
Born Again is underrated and i think is Rob Death Dealer's favourite album.