The answer to that is "No. There's no sex in my D&D campaign. If that's non-negotiable, then you're not welcome at my table."

@NaliTikva

3 ай бұрын

If there is no sex where do babies come from

@AJBernard

3 ай бұрын

@@NaliTikva If you want to make an argument against what I said, you really ought to AT LEAST read the whole sentence.

@NaliTikva

2 ай бұрын

@@AJBernard I read the whole sentence but like if sex doesnt exist in your dnd campain? Where do babies (and therefore people) come from? Like does every species reproduce magical? Or is it like the end of the world because no new people are born? Like what? Just curious, sounds like an interesting campain setting.

@AJBernard

2 ай бұрын

​@@NaliTikva Does pooping exist in your D&D campaign? Do you role play your characters defacating each day? Or is it something that happens off screen?

@NaliTikva

2 ай бұрын

@@AJBernard I haven't had the privilege of running a DND campaign yet, but if I did I guess pooping would exist but it would happen off screen. I assume it's something that is included in short/long rests.

"SA is important for D&D / SA is non-negotiable." *go to prison*

Dude has the balls to say "SA is non-negotiable" like the DM just has no choice but to allow a stat that lets players do that. As a furry myself, we don't claim this guy or his girlfriend

@damienhailey118

3 ай бұрын

Seconded!

@derekbowen5820

3 ай бұрын

This is where the DM needs to say "you're right, SA is non-negotiable. It will not be allowed." and block that player from the server/discord and find someone else.

@stevenschnepp576

3 ай бұрын

I'm genuinely glad to see furries no longer put up with bullshit like this.

@JoshJohnson-em8fu

3 ай бұрын

The GM definitely should have called that one RIGHT on the spot. There is absolutely no way this isn't going to end very badly.

@tenchraven

3 ай бұрын

Well, maybe rather saying "we don't claim him", maybe ya'll should do something proactively about people like this who are part of your community right up until you kick them out.

Instant boot. As soon as my dude said he had an 18 for his genitals, I hands back the character sheet and say "my game isn't for you. Have a good day."

@tenchraven

3 ай бұрын

I'd make a show of using hand sanitizer, to. Won't lie, would have been tempted to burn the sheet.

@AndrewBrownK

3 ай бұрын

millimeters

@queefgod420

2 ай бұрын

@@AndrewBrownK d&d is meant to escape reality, not accept it!

@TecTitan

2 ай бұрын

Your hentai take is almost as dumb as saying 'since people who beat their kids go to walmart to buy their groceries then Walmart is a place that support child beating and if you go there you'll be one too'

@misterpotato427

2 ай бұрын

@@AndrewBrownK Thats pretty big?

I’m a Dm for a campaign where 2 of the male characters got married and got the wives pregnant. That all it is. No crazy shit no SA, just a countdown of weeks until the kiddos are born. Party is actually super excited for it as the characters have a soft spot for kids. Hell they even adopted a kid after his village was torched by pirates, and they convinced a rich NPC to sponsor his education. Now the kid is a prodigy about to usher in the industrial Revolution.

@justinwang8876

2 ай бұрын

"had us in the first half, not gonna lie"

@Private-Potato

2 ай бұрын

Adopted kid will bring about a steampunk era.

@its_sisha_not_chair505

2 ай бұрын

Dang. I would love to intreoduce kid characters to my players and behave like normal human beings like yours do, but i know four things will happen or could: A: They will kill the child B: They will *eat* the child C: They will kill *and* eat the child E: something far worse that i can imagine AND ITS NOT LIKE THEYRE SUPER EDGY OR SOMETHING, THIS JUST HAPPENS WITH SPECIFICALLY KIDS.

@Mailshere

2 ай бұрын

@@its_sisha_not_chair505 I had a player do that once, Paladins hunted him and sent him to hell within 2 sessions.

@GusBried

Ай бұрын

​@@its_sisha_not_chair505wait wait wait.... Option C implies that option B means they will eat the child WHILE THEY'RE STILL ALIVE?? I think that's one of the most disturbing things anyone could come up with to do in that situation....

"It’s a game about monsters... But it is only a game. Don’t use it as an excuse to be a monster yourself."

@overdrivedrinker8284

2 ай бұрын

Wise words from Vampire the Masquerade

@JosefinaQB

Ай бұрын

DAAAAMN

1st story: that Long guy is what happens when your brain is rotted from hentai. 2nd story: It was nice of the player to confess that he would have been a disruptive jerk before the game even started.

@dalejhunter1

2 ай бұрын

As a guy who watches his fair share of the... hanky panky anime... This isn't entirely true. This is what happens when you let a clearly mentally unhealthy person discover Furaffinity for the first time.

@solosynapse

2 ай бұрын

​@@dalejhunter1This. I think the mental health of that person is the actual issue.

@neil_boss2191

2 ай бұрын

@@solosynapseI agree , it would’ve been one thing for him to try fucking everything by seducing but sa even in a game in my mind makes me worried with how much they had it be a non negotiable

That last one. That's not walking on egg shells, It's more like trying to walk on a mine field while having your hands in a jar full of pissed cobras.

@7thsealord888

2 ай бұрын

... Whilst blindfolded.

@NxtivetheNative

2 ай бұрын

While also being deafened...

@TheStoner420PotHead

Ай бұрын

Legendary Comment!

@noahoakley339

Ай бұрын

Without legs

WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE MADE A CASE FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF SA IN RP?! What kind of justification could he have possibly given that remotely made sense?!

@AmaryInkawult

3 ай бұрын

Its a FATAL player, there's mechanical advantages to fucking in FATAL. He's going to make damn sure he keeps them no matter how much he has to falsly justify it when there's no need to if the DM says NO

@ArcCaravan

3 ай бұрын

I almost feel impressed that the problem player could try. That or it was crazy I had to laugh.

@firstnamelastname7244

3 ай бұрын

​@@AmaryInkawultIs it even possible to play FATAL given how badly written and overcomplicated the rules are?

@kertagin1

3 ай бұрын

there is actually valid RP that can be done with SA allowed however it requires extremely tight controls on setting, players etc. most DM's are legitimately unwilling to put in that effort. it is a very niche style of play and mostly not worth it.

@kaylawoodbury2308

3 ай бұрын

​@@firstnamelastname7244 Not really, players throw out half the rules and just use it for smut and gore fantasies.

There's something horribly toxic going on between Jay and Gus.

@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653

3 ай бұрын

Also probably Gus puts the virus on Jay and Jay is beeing used and abused by Gus.

@evolution031680

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, really. Sounds like a murder-suicide waiting to happen.

@brianjohnson1509

2 ай бұрын

My guess is that they're both drug addicts.

@informitas0117

2 ай бұрын

Jay is a Gus stan (stalker fan) that just happened to be accepted and used by Gus.

@smusky4643

2 ай бұрын

Sounds like Jay has a obsessive issue, or abandonment issue, and Gus is taking full advantage of it. Jay seems to think that if he Provides absolutely everything (I'm fairly confident even sm.exual stuff) for Gus, then they're still together.

When we got the “when I SA an enemy part” the smile on my face from being outside on a beautiful day was suddenly accompanied by wide open eyes 👀

@Tripwire_

Ай бұрын

My eyes were pretty much wide for the whole story it was pretty bewildering

"We'll discuss if we accept those conditions." Bro, you want to make SA a game mechanic, don't go on your high horses.

@starofjustice1

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, exactly. Go find some other closet grapists to play FATAL with, you freak. >.>

The Doge avatar saying "dude eww" was a great moment. Really capped that post.

Anyone else wanna give Jay and Gus a smack? They were both intentionally causing problems and gaslighting the other players. Jay was clearly a major simp and Gus clearly had max charisma with expertise in deception, manipulating Jay. I’d hats to see what Gus was like when they were a couple.

@kimielle

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it definitely sounds like Gus is a toxic friend, systematically cutting Jay off from all their friends

@akun50

3 ай бұрын

@@kimielle Not just sounds like, it is. Gus is clearly a control freak, but not smart enough to do it well, while Jay clearly has fallen into a very toxic abuse victim where he's afraid of Gus but too empathetic to let Gus "just be homeless". The two need to be separated and Jay needs therapy.

@TheGamersfolly

3 ай бұрын

I would bet Gus also still bangs Jay, probably a massive abuser

@freelancerthe2561

2 ай бұрын

@@akun50 Low Wis vs Low Cha

@informitas0117

2 ай бұрын

In one game I used to play you rolled for "first meeting" when you met someone new. Gus clearly rolled perfect on that on poor Jay.

"Vote and decide who will be the gm next session." Maybe the person actually running the campaign? It'd be pretty awkward to end a session on a fight that went poor, so someone else is elected and doesn't know what they're doing. Odds are Long wanted to throw his hat in that ring.

@nekoali2

3 ай бұрын

I dunno. That and the fact they wanted to add a new member to the group makes me think that they planned to vote the GM out of the game first chance they get. That player just had some very strange ideas about how games are run and what the power balance between the GM and other players is. No idea why they wouldn't just run their own private Furry SA game if that's what they really wanted, instead of trying to force it into someone else's game. Unless they were just lazy and didn't want to put in the effort of running.

@ThePhoenix743

3 ай бұрын

@@nekoali2 see when I heard that part I thought they had their own fanfics and stuff about it before they learned about TTRPGs and wanted to bring it into that. They might have also heard other friends or groups with similar interests like wherever they got that sheet from.

@TheLevantin

3 ай бұрын

I once saw an advertisement for an online game that said that the GM changes every session so that "everyone can play." I didn't apply and just shook my head because I think that's absurd.

@rb98769

3 ай бұрын

Honestly I've never had a good experience with players who come with the whole "we have a set story that won't be revealed yet" thing, so that was already a red flag for me. Long just doesn't seem to understand or care that the GM has the authority to decide those things.

@ThePhoenix743

3 ай бұрын

@@TheLevantin i think that's more for a table of friends who enjoy having a few sessions of one shots between big campaigns or just combat focus and not so much story. Not for me but I think some tables could make it work for their group.

Gus sounds downright abusive to Jay, and while I don't think you should blame the victim in an abusive relationship, he does have a responsibility to listen to everyone telling him his relationship is toxic.

@coolestdude244

2 ай бұрын

exactly

@Thepunchdownking

2 ай бұрын

Especially if they’re his longtime friends

I'm a furry. I'm a furry artist who makes her living on producing adult artwork. I'm very sex-positive and open minded. But holy gods am I tired of people like that behaving badly in inappropriate spaces. It doesn't just give us all a bad name (and the rampant witch hunters more fuel), it's just outright inconsiderate of everybody around them. You can be a furry, and a weird one at that, and also still be a functional human being who knows when and where to lower or raise the freak flag. I cannot conceive of acting the same way I do in my personal spaces out in public, digital or otherwise, honestly. As a side note, an SA stat? Really? Are we 13? I can't even be mad, it's too dumb.

@lulolie

2 ай бұрын

Fr like what? And then acting like it was la-dee-da and OP was the weird one for saying no

@Nyrufa

2 ай бұрын

Back in the days of my horny youth, I didn't see any problem with role plays devolving into several pages worth of constant sex and debauchery. Now that I'm in my mid 30's, it's finally dawned on me just how awkward that must actually be for the rest of the players who showed up expecting to play out an adventure story, rather than sit through people's raunchy fantasies. In other words, I am older and wiser now, and I believe I finally understand why so many of my play by post games just sputtered and died after a few weeks.

@sheriffvader6908

2 ай бұрын

You eat BABIES

@cookieskoon2028

2 ай бұрын

@@Nyrufa That's still okay in a group of people who are into it, ofc, but yeah- best left to that scenario. haha

@laurelalloro

2 ай бұрын

You can't just say you make professional furry porn and NOT post the @

As soon as I heard them say out loud what those added stats were, it was like a "record scratch" moment. "Um.. pfft. Wut??" XD

The players in the first story wanted to have a live role play a live game of corruption of champions but were too socially inept to realize most aren't interested in doing that. Like you can't just assume someone is willing and comfortable DMing a sex heavy RPG. That's something you gotta find the appropriately marked discord servers or bring up gentley after getting to know someone after a bit.

@nihili4196

2 ай бұрын

Wanting to play something like that is not bad in itself. But like with everything, you need people who are into that to do that. And most people are not. I wouldn't mind trying that, if I knew DM wouldn't go on weird kinkfest sprees all the time, and if gimmick wouldn't overshadow the story aspect... But that's me. I know not everyone is comfortable with themes like that

@saltyseadog4719

2 ай бұрын

Like what servers?

@solosynapse

2 ай бұрын

More like they wanted a captive audience for their creepy SA fantasies.

@crazykay9422

2 ай бұрын

For real. You gotta find specific people that are into that thing. And you can definitely find them! I've met plenty of people that would have fun doing something like that. But ya can't just try and insert such ideas without asking if it'd be okay in the first place.

@Cynwale

2 ай бұрын

Joining those games is only to troll them further, "accidental" missing attacks that hits a friendly unit. Or "accidental" destruction of loots. And if they manage to reach a s*x moment, say you have to go, there's a 50% chance that they will cut the campaign short and leave the horny people unsatisfied. There, take my trolling advices.

Even if I was doing a full-blown "Book of Erotic Fantasy" D&D campaign, if someone insisted on SA I would yeet them so fast from the game and probably never speak to them again.

You do not get to lecture me on the importance of SA in D&D. In fact, you are going to sit out of this game and go somewhere else to live out your depraved fetishes. A table full of strangers is not a place to do this. I'm actually a furry myself and I found that behavior to be disgusting. If they came to my game with THAT proposal, they are getting a hard NO with a summary boot.

@brianjohnson1509

2 ай бұрын

It's not hard at all to find a group that's into that, but I really don't get why people do that to literal strangers in person.

@kebabloodmoon6848

2 ай бұрын

I agree. You don't put that kinda of stuff in someone else's games as 'non-negotiable' b.s. you abide by the DM's rules and restrictions or go else where. Some DM's are lax but still... keep that private or out of the game period.

@grognackthegrognardianbarb7883

19 күн бұрын

i mean, furry seem to all be this way from my groups experience. after more than 50 interviews its just an instant ban

@kebabloodmoon6848

19 күн бұрын

@grognackthegrognardianbarb7883 There are some bad ones out there for sure, but you get a good one, they can be creative in good and constructive ways to push story elements. Just sucks that you have people out there, furry or not, who ruin it for everyone else who are decent people. Sorry to hear you had some shitty experiences.

@brianjohnson1509

19 күн бұрын

@@grognackthegrognardianbarb7883 I've known enough furries to know that when they claim it's not a fetish and doesn't have to be sexual... They're not wrong but it absolutely is a fetish and they get into some really kinky things.

I'm gonna say this right now. If everyone wants to run a game that's just Corruption of Champions, then that's on them. But again, don't force some random guy who wants to DM a game to change their initial setting to Corruption of Champions. Also, weird thing I noticed; Long went on about the SZ category and mechanics when using a big "sausage", but nothing was really mentioned about the mechanical benefits of having big "melons". Definitely screamed to me that he was in this for the sexual gratification instead of the actual story

As soon as he said my girlfriend and I wanted to “explore”- seriously? The DM didn’t consent to participating in a weird cringe couple sex rp. if you’re gonna roleplay taboo shit or for sexual reasons in general just do it on your own time. I don’t even play D&D but I wouldn’t have argued with them, I would have just kicked them out.

There are NSFW games out there. And presumably they aren’t super rare or hard to find. Thus I can only assume that these people (people trying to shove ERP/fetish stuff into the game) were kicked out of them, want to inflict them on the unaware and unconsenting, or are just stupid and/or lazy.

@ArcCaravan

3 ай бұрын

My money is on lazy or not interested in playing with people like them. Maybe they prefer IRL games instead of online. Still bad of them, but I doubt they'd get kicked out of that many intentional fetish games.

The story about Gus was so confusing right up until we find out about Jay and Gus relationship. Knowing that from the start changes the whole start of the story as to why Jay was acting the he was from the start.

The vile SA guy sounds like he wanted to play FATAL. Don't Google it. If you don't know, treasure that innocence.

@HibbyGibbons

25 күн бұрын

I googled it and it's the funniest shit I've ever read. Just straight up porn brainrot that someone tried to compile into a 900 page long rpg system that's completely unplayable and the entire thing focuses almost exclusively on horrifying amounts of sexual violence and rampant misogyny. It's so bad it managed to go from bad, to funny, then back to bad like ten times. It doesn't end on funny, if that wasn't clear.

Was he using the FATAL character sheet? What the hell?

@iank472

3 ай бұрын

How many times must it be repeated? The first rule of RPG club is don't talk about Fatal!

@akmi1931

3 ай бұрын

Fatal isn’t that bad

@iank472

3 ай бұрын

@@akmi1931 it's a broken, unbalanced mess of a system and contains the spell: Ej*culate Acid. What about it is good?

@jboogie7944

3 ай бұрын

​@@akmi1931No, no, you're right. Advanced D&D is bad. FATAL is fucking horrendous.

@stevenschnepp576

3 ай бұрын

@@akmi1931 Tell us you're on a registry without telling us you're on a registry.

Last Story : Jay being a Simp for Gus explained everything. Yes, I employ the word "Simp" correctly seeing the situation.

@_IVXX

2 ай бұрын

It does and I really hope one day Jay wakes up and sets himself free for all that. Gus is definitely not someone worth something over. Or ending friendships over something as little as the campaign not going 100% in accordance with them

If you're nonchalant enough about a glaring red flag maybe the GM won't notice. How the hell did this guy think he could get away with not rolling SZ in front of the GM and have it be a modest 18? Roll a D4 dude. (every single thing he said after that was kinda terrible, too)

Gonna be honest. SA bullshit and other stuff, is why I have The Punisher as a DM NPC on standby, basically "Break glass in case of that guy", kind of NPC. Made sure he's busted as hell too. Also, I make sure to use Rey Stevenson's portrayal of the Character from Punisher War Zone.

@beepybopbap

3 ай бұрын

Idea: add lore to the npc as someone who deals out their own justice and is hinted at. Maybe in a big town you learn that someone was killed after doing something terrible by said npc Just giving clear warnings to your players,

@WTFisTingispingis

3 ай бұрын

That's amazing. I just imagine his arrival being heralded by the wall exploding and he just shows up with a shotgun.

@nekoali2

3 ай бұрын

Nah. Using in game tools to deal with an out of game problem never works out, shown through a lot of examples. And this is definitely an out of game problem, with players that want to dictate the tone of and how the game is run, against the GM's wishes.

@firstnamelastname7244

3 ай бұрын

​@@nekoali2Yeah, as funny as it might seem to summon the "Tarrasque of Consent" or whatever it's probably just best to boot someone who does that without hesitation.

@rb98769

3 ай бұрын

It's not worth it, just boot the player or you risk creating more drama or giving them ammo to use against you.

Fresh reaction to Story 1: dude this guy has no filter and absolutely shamelessness. Glad that DM got out while he could.

Gus is a leech, Jay is a co-dependent simp.

I love Luna. What makes sleepy kittens so great - because you know they're not up to any mischief. That first story - whew. Thank goodness for the Simba cleanse.

I kinda just thought Gus was a scapegoat for Jay, that if Jay had a problem with something, "No, no, Gus has a problem with something and DEMANDS an apology. I'm not angry, Gus is.". With the introduction of their past relationship, I got no words other than how in the heck are those two still affiliated with one another?

As a furry: WHAT THE FUCK is that first story

Very very simple. "Bro, this is DnD, not Fatal. If this is non-negotiable get out" IDK man if you are the GM you can't be nice and just allow shit all the time for the sake of politeness. Always have a session 0, and always have relatively clear cut, defined rules.

My first dnd campaign I had ever played the dm had my character r-worded. I was playing with my dad and his friends, I was in middle school. Upset my dad never stopped that.

We did D size in one of our old campaigns but it was more a joke because one of the guys drank a potion to make him giant and he made a joke about how big it became so we all riled as a joke. It became a running joke (we were all freshman in high school). One time he used it to open a magic door and the way it all happened was hilarious. But something like the first story is just weird, uncomfortable and completely inappropriate. We never did anything like that because it was meant to be light hearted fun with some toilet humor. But SA? Why? No one else wants that in their game

Its ironic seeing a guy push so hard for SA. He's trying to force his way not only in-game but also above-game

Gus, no one gets to be as wishy washy as you are being. Go to jail and do not collect $200. Jay, you are enabling that bs. Stop it, get some help.

That story about the wife that hates 5th edition reminds me of a scene from Spongebob: *father driving his upset son from the ice cream shop* Son: “WAAAA I DON’T LIKE PISTACHIO WAAAA” Father: “well if you don’t like it, WHY DID YOU ASK FOR IT?” *they hit a bump and the kid drops his ice cream* *kid continues to cry*

The first story reminds me of a story about a girl whose tablemates were not very excited about having a girl at the table, and when they discovered that she was also a changeling, they took her for a traitor, forced her to stay in a female form and SA her character until she gave up the Campaign....

First red flag, "our usual characters." Even if they weren't fucking deviants you don't bring your baggage from other campaigns or a pre-scripted plot into another GM's game. Second red flag, "canine features". Third strike, "non-negotiable". Kick them out then and there. I wouldn't have even gotten to the real crazy shit.

@user-ky2rk8tp5g

3 ай бұрын

Canine Features is bad?

@theschwabmob8363

2 ай бұрын

Some people see any sort of animal features as an automatic weeb sign, but to me personally its hardly a red flag on its own, with the context of the story? Eeeeeh, felt minor detail to me personally.

@Jimalcoatl

2 ай бұрын

@@theschwabmob8363 It's not a weeb issue, it's a furry issue, especially with the other red flags. It also shows that the players have no respect for the canon and structure of the game world if they are just going to state/demand that our elves are dog elves and that's that, when there is no precedent or viable reason for there to be elves that have canine features.

@theschwabmob8363

2 ай бұрын

@@Jimalcoatl That's certainly fair, I'm just used to a more open world where some details, like animal ears can happen just fine cosmetically, so I didn't even think about that as a minor (imho) red flag. Thanks for the reminder!

@Cynwale

2 ай бұрын

@@Jimalcoatl And most furries have some kind of problem with s*x, it's like they need it. A lot of furries will tell you that's not the majority of it, but their words doesn't match what we live and see, which is why I don't trust them.

I immediately thought, "Contagious magic or nanotech furry virus that also makes its hosts spread it". Meaning the first story ended before the serious screwing of the campaign's entire setting began. Thankfully. This may be showing my prejudices - I've seen plenty of settings where the question is not if some fetish is destined to take over the world, but which one and how bizarre - but it feels right. The only thing out of place is there only being one stat for all of this and it being called "Size".

Imagine having an infinite world of potential, your imagination is literally the limit And you use all of that space to write such a terrible romance that the reason the two characters are interested or think they belong together is just entirely randomly being born with similar features as 'a sign of the gods'. Not like having a history together where they shared any history or ever did anything for each other. Its literally a somehow even more terrible version of those YA novels where the characters are just instantly mega horny for each other because that's how love works, it's plot-based.

Somebody really needs to convince Jay to kick Gus out of his life. Its clearly obvious that Gus is being a major parasite to Jay and is ruining him financially and socially. And whatever Jay is doing right now is not helping Gus in the slightest but merely enabling his very toxic behavior.

"Roll for SA" *Rolls a 1* "What now? "Too bad, you're the one getting assaulted instead now!"

@notusingmyname2634

Ай бұрын

they just break their dick trying and need to use a revivify scroll to fix it

"Yes and" is pretty much the prompt used in Improv...

Gus Story. Well that was strange. I am wondering if anyone has actually seen Gus. I just get the vibe that Gus may be Jay's alter ego. And Jay may be going thru a mental breakdown.

@celvinardenwu5382

3 ай бұрын

I like this thoery tbh. The long pause between each sentence between Jay and Gus is a little bit suspicious unless if Gus is like a super silent monotone villain . Then, i don't see why he doesn't talk more during the game. There are a lot of problem players, but from most stories and experiences, most of them will either break down, start insulting, and etc when being confronted. The fact that gus is silent the whole time when he is supposedly are angry doesn't add up

@NoOneOverHere

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking that theory the whole time! Like, the player isn’t talking at all and disconnect after the DM when the friends are talking? And all that flip flopping about being mean or not was like… super strange! More like Jay created a second account to spy on his friends

@rb98769

3 ай бұрын

I got the impression that Gus is some sort of shut in with severe social anxiety or something like that. They're probably very dysfunctional and can't get a job because of it.

@Wraithspartan

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I got the Tyler Durden vibe while listening...

It amazes me how twisted some furries can be. As a furry myself I always wonder where these types of people come from because I've only ever encountered a few like that. I also wonder how many other GMs allow SA in their games because it seemed so casual the way Long said SA was non-negotiable, like wtf? That's like one of the few things you never allow in a game!

For the one where they wanted SA to be allowed, that is a hard line I refuse to cross, and it could have just been ended by saying "No. There will be none of that in this campaign." I do like that the poster handled it by walking away, as I agree that "no DnD is better than bad/toxic DnD", though. As for the thing with Jay and Gus, I hope that Jay can eventually come to his senses and tell Gus off. I know it's a tough situation to get out of. Gus, however, needs to remove his head from between his cheeks and realize that the world doesn't revolve around him.

OP2: Jeezus, get this woman some Pathfinder 1e already. EDIT: on second thought, keep her far away from me!

that first story wtf >.> i know im a furry and make furry characters but i would NEVER use them for sexual stuff in public i try to be a child friendly as possible if i want to do something sexual with a character art wise its behind a $10000 pay wall to try and diter people from buying access to see it

OMG. OP in the first story let that discussion go on FAR longer than I would have.

As someone who likes to give elves (and other fae creatures) animal features - Why Long why?

I had a DM insist on list of people my character knows, and found it odd he never used the list, but looking back I think he was trying something really fucking weird. It was much later our party had to attend a ballroom dance and we decided to get dates, I had to resort asking someone from a tavern. He asked if my character was gay several times, I told him I was "straight as an arrow" both in and outside the game. So I looked around in the tavern, the candidates my character had to choose to ask out for the dance were several "pretty guys", a female bearded dwarf, and sever frumpy females. I opted to ask a female blacksmith cleric, but then the DM complained I made it creepy wanting to make a move on a NPC, despite EVERYONE asking an NPC to this harmless dance. I finally just asked female dark elf dignitary just to move the game along, long story short, that dark elf turned out to be a male spy assassin that tried to kiss me, and I expressed disgust being forced into this. I skipped next game session forever, and that DM eventually moved out of town several years to get surgery to become a woman. TLDR: The DM was pressing gay characters on me and my character (both straight), and he was being forceful and fucking creepy about it.

@Cynwale

2 ай бұрын

I don't understand those people, there's MILLIONS of forums and discord servers based around horny nonsense and fetishes, why do they FEEL the need to come into normal people adventures to fill in their toxicity?

That Jay and Gus situation is pretty common in modern relationships and his reaction is pretty common in modern people in general. It's the obsession over "be nice" attitude but in reality that doesn't work and people have limits as well as different boundaries. You push too far and they'll tell you you've pushed too far. Which is of course not "being nice". This is why you have to leave politics and person baggage at the door.

@nekorina9011

23 күн бұрын

abusive and controlling relationships are not just a "modern society" thing. And "leave politics out the door"? What politics were even brought up in their game?

*As a GM, a new player who says "it's not negotiable" about pre-existing characters when everyone is bring new... well... They aren't at my table without approval, that's not negotiable. You tell me you're an elf, and you're a furry not an elf, new character or use the door. Homebrewed attributes, nope. And then when you explain it, door now. *The second story, nope. "stuffed irony, phobias, bizarre fears and cartoony details" tells me you want to show off and ruin everyone else's fun. Everything else that came out of that is red flags to. These stories remind me of why I despise what I call the "5e generation" *Third, wife is right that 5e is a mess and what it has done to gaming culture is a wound that TTRPGs will be scared by. But maybe she should shut up or leave and GM a 3.5 table of her own. And to this guy, if you don't feel bad about your WIFE leaving your table, maybe you need a different wife. She sounds like a horrible person *Which makes them a great lead-in for the Jay and Gus show. This is a horrible case of the "GM's wife" phenomena where the whole point of the campaign is to make the GM's partner smile so the GM might get laid. GM's wife argues the rule, the rolls, the lore, takes all the items and loot, and has to win. EVERY online game I've been in outside of my main group has had a "GM's wife". But Gus is an abuser.

The crazy thing about story 1 is he obviously played jn SA campaigns which mean there was a group of players out there just rap€ing NPCs. Damn.

As for why that guys wife kept playing 5e with her friends even though she liked 3.5 better, that's probably because finding people that play 3.5 is pretty rare and difficult. 5e is just SO much more popular. And she probably wants to play with her friends rather than strangers. I myself prefer Pathfinder to 5e myself but will play whatever system my friends are using.

@theschwabmob8363

2 ай бұрын

If it wasn't for the fact the OP mentioned that she "Hates" most/all of the players in the group I'd be inclined to believe that. I know a lot of people who would go on a tangent like that, to try and convince friends, but every session?

I ran a game once where everyone had the idea “let’s go all out no restrictions make it as twisted as possible!” And the party was all. goblins. Watch the first episode of goblin slayer but make that the whole show. That’s what happened. It was fine but we all swore to never bring it up around the others in the group who didn’t play that noght

Story #1 - Just ..... walk away, dude. Eee-yewww. No doubt, there's a few groups that'd respond to this ultimatum with, "Yeah, so?". But I seriously have to wonder about the mindset that'd think this would actually fly in most parties. Story #2 - Fully concur. Whatever happened to, "I wanna play a Conan-type" (Or Drizzt, or Gandalf, or Red Sonja, or Robin Hood, etc.) as a Character summary? Story #3 - I have no clue what she is like outside D&D, but this person seems utterly horrible when *IN* D&D. Husband needs to step up and tell her properly, because this will NOT get better by itself. Story #4 - This is all on Jay and Gus. Sounds like everybody else was just an NPC in their ongoing drama.

I don't like 5e, and prefer 3.5/Pathfinder 1e, but if I join a 5e group, I might gripe about the system in private with one player or another, but I joined them knowing I was playing that system. But that's just rude. If she wants to play 3.5, then she should find a group, or request 3.5 at some point with her group.

I'm actually really intrigued about who exactly is Gus if the entire game has to center around his moods and what he deems acceptable. Maybe he is one of those toxic people that wants to control everybody and plays the victim if anyone ever dares to say "no" to him.

Oh my God HE WAS USING F.A.T.A.L RULES

22:58 "now I'm even more confused" yeaaah I was so confused I had to listen to this story again to see if I missed something

I had a strong suspicion that Gus and Jay were either together or had some sort of attraction to each other or something from the beginning. They remind me a lot of a couple I knew; one of them was a hypersensitive drama queen and kinda dragged the other one down. Not exactly the same dynamic, but there are parallels.

I think Luna would fit best as a Night Domain Cleric; thoughts?

Yeah, Gus 100% has a major psychological issue. Sounds very much rooted in CPTSD. Probably a PD, either in the anxious cluster or BPD. Something that makes you very sensitive to perceived rejection to even the smallest degree. People in their past probably were very critical and passive aggressive, so that's the lens they view the world with now; unfairly projecting the actions of terrible people onto innocent strangers. It's a highly dysfunctional worldview. Jay is very codependent with this person. I feel sorry for them both tbh, but the others don't at all deserve to have to play therapist for these people.

I'm willing to guess Long's GF was his hapless victim in all of this, why wasn't she present for the 'discussion', and why did he have her sheet?

I'm sorry. I rolled a Nat 1 on that like button, but somehow managed to trip, fall and slam my face into it. It increased the likes by one more, so I guess it worked. My face may never be the same again.

You know when he cut away to say dude wtf I thought kitties were gonna cue up lol. Also with that last story, Gus sounds like a dude that can't take any form of criticism even if it's not aggressively mean or targeting him badly in any way. That and expects others to know how to finish what he's getting at when he says things like "Guys that was a Fire Mephit" instead of "Guys Someone had to have summoned that Fire Mephit. We should try to find clues as to who did so." So that Jay wouldn't have to have railroaded everyone into knowing that a Wizard had done so. But as it seems Jay and Gus just have one hell of a Toxic Relationship and Dogg is right Jay is probably hoping Gus will come back to him with the special treatment he gives him. This often happens when two people with toxic traits get together, though Jay's can be fixed very easily and needs to see that Gus is never going to come back to him. Yes Gus's can be fixed too of his Toxic Traits but with someone like him it'll take way more time then it does for Jay's toxic traits.

Awww. Sleepy Luna has graced us with her presence. ❤ She’s so sweet.

I would definitely not feel comfortable at a gaming table with a person that wants to include that in the game. Same goes for people who want to play evil characters and run around murdering people. I know this is a game of pretend and imagination, but those are huge red flags for me.

Honestly I need a DM that shuts down shit at the first sign of creeping

i'm a furry that plays a Chaotic neutral Gnoll barbarian and I never even think about my characters "Member" why would you even think about it unless your the stereotypical seduction bard !?!

I think being immune to charisma related abilities just because your a player makes bard unfair to play, in so many campaigns the rogue can steal from me but i cant do a diplomacy check to do the same by convincing them to hand it over?

When I came to some of the session I played in, they had other genders that existed and racis. But no slavery, no cults that we created,no DR or SA, and no normal charters like human fighter

It sounds like those two canine players might be into the Omegaverse. That GM dodged a bullet.

This is the first of your video's I have seen and I immediatly fell in love with it. And cool categorie btw

I routinely play with evil oriented players and campaign settings. War crimes, threats of violence, corruption, and occasionally cannibalism. Sexual assault is still a no no. Our party comes across a guy like that in the setting and we make a fate worse then death for the npc. We can be pricks, and monsters but even monsters have standards.

Ok in my current session I’m playing as a homebrew remake of the 3e Incubus and even I would never get as depraved as the guy in the first story, heck my character’s a goofy character, an Incubus who doesn’t wanna just pump n dump, instead he actually wants to find a meaningful relationship, his knowledge on such a thing? From romance novels

My (very much adult) players are allowed to kiss and hold hands with NPC's and they already find that to be pretty risqué of me, lol

I immediately guessed that Jay anf Gus were in some kind of toxic relationship. Its so sad to see people in situations like that.

Around 26:10 I was firmly convinced that this Gus guy was in a cult and had recruited Jae and brainwashed him into doing everything Gus wanted and Gus was using this power over Jae to emotionally manipulate him into cutting all his social ties with friends and family and give their money to the cult, because that is exactly how cults work. When the add-on explanation came at 27:47, yep, _there_ is the emotional manipulation. Gus might to not be in a literal cult but he is leeching off of Jae nonetheless like a parasite. He's the textbook narcissist psychopath (ex)lover who controls the partner by gaslighting them into thinking it's all _their_ fault, not Gus's, and making _them_ responsible for Gus's emotional state, making them a slave to Gus's every whim. And every time Jae makes a connection with other people, Gus makes sure that tie is cut.

reminder people while some people are ok with sex or even sa/rape not everyone is please confirm with the people your roleplaying before you dm these topics or before you attempt these actions in roleplay

That last story sounds almost like Jay is ashamed of Gus and his life with Gus, and perhaps the reasonable self is so pushed down by Jay's obsession with Gus, who clearly isn't a good influence or person for them, that whenever someone points out that which Jay has pushed down he blows up. Choosing to deflect big time to everyone else and say they're the problem, rather than listen to the voice inside his head that is saying the same things they are. Someone who isn't in some way ashamed of their life choices wouldn't deflect and try to defend something this hard at every tiny crack.

The gus story is so fucking weird, I want to know who gus is to jay. These are supposedly long time friends and he just has this dude he is babying and burning bridges over nothing for. There HAS to be more to it, like are they romantic? Does gus have something hes holding over jay? WTF would cause the dm to be so cagey and weird about it. Edit: I just reached the end, I called it that they were romantic.

5:16 the way my jaw dropped. That guy went from 30 to 100 full blast craziness. How did ths DM not kick them both out immediately??

Sex isn't welcome at my table. At least when I DM. Anyone who is not okay with can find another table/group. I don't tolerate it. Gus sounds like a weirdo. Not the good kind either. And Jay is enabling that type of behavior.

I mean, I've referenced it in game as thing that sometimes happens in a nearby city controlled by pirates. That's about as far as I'll go.

That first story is...something. Look, I ama proponent any and all subjects can be used to enhance or tell a story, be it a backstory, a trajedy, or terrible fates. This includes subjkects like classical murder, political moves of all kinds, and even SA. However, of all these subjects, you must know how to handle them tactfully. It's one thing to use SA as a motivator, or a terrible consequence, but what OP's friend and his girlfriend were lingering on was the express intent to use it to get off on something. I can't abide that. I have written characters myself who have fallen on some side of one kind of abuse or another, and I always knew I had to handle them with care. One character I wrote was a young girl when she was tortured. TlDR, her father worked for a gangster and failed at a rather important task. Instead of going after him, his boss went after his daughter, and blinded her as a child. Much of her story there after was her adapting to a sightless world. I did grace her with powers that enabled her to see in other ways, but other players ended up having so many interactions with her. Some never noticed she was blind, others learned but realized she couldn't see even their faces or features. She couldn't use computer technology, but could use an adapted braile-like language as a median. She was familiar with pain and fearful of being cut off from her powers, something she was vulnerable to. While this story isn't one about SA, I knew to handle her well, and it enhanced her story in magnitudes.

"he made a case for the importance of SA in D&D"... a masochistic part of my brain wants to hear that "case"

As a furry, we do *NOT* CLAIM THESE PEOPLE☹️☹️☹️

It’s fucking dungeons and dragons. What the fuck. I think the guy was being too courteous to say “I don’t do sex in my games.” I would’ve went off like, bro, there’s no sex in dungeons and dragons. That’s crazy.

1st story: Yikes! 4th story: Gus sounds insufferable af. Why would anyone want to hang out with someone like that, let alone want a relationship with Gus. Even people with clinical anxiety have their own ways to manage it instead of making it everyone's problem.

My first experience with playing d&d was a neckbeard in our new nerd club as the maker of it was the dm and he had me and the only other fem presenting person in sexual situations over and over again so we left and i havent picked it back up since

DTT is here! Ugh, "My Wife" is the *worst*

I honestly thought that Jay and Gus were the same person for a second and he as trying to play two people.

How does Gus have such an insane mental chokehold on jay? How can people even date people that egotistical let alone ruin other friendships to try and rekindle their connection?