'This was the best he could do' The DM can make rocks fall and kill the Barbarian for using meta knowledge.

@darby2314

4 ай бұрын

I would have given the Barbarian a wish spell. Then used it to punish him horribly 😈

@Tirath

4 ай бұрын

Or just say NO when they asked to attack a sleeping PC.

@Vernon-Robber

3 ай бұрын

@@Tirath It's never happened when I've run a game, but if one of my players intentionally initiates lethal PvP, I would state that the PC is now an NPC. Pass me the character sheet, go roll up a new character.

"You're a Paladin, not a holy knight" 😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐😐 Small edit: In case it's not said often enough, *thank you, Simba*

@easiestcc6451

4 ай бұрын

bruh the class description LITERALLY SAYS THAT THEY'RE A HOLY KNIGHT

@PapaBearIsHere

4 ай бұрын

like, I get some people will defend the low roleplay ability, but my god, I'd actually burst out laughing at that point, the fuck is a paladin then.

1st Story: I think it's worth saying that *_It's completely fine to build a "Killing Machine" character as long as the player doesn't act like a fuckin dick through his character or OOC._* Me personally, I love making Doomguy type characters: Silent, Stoic and Deadly. But I always play them like a "Gentle Giant" type around friendly/ally characters. 🗿

@funnyblog100

4 ай бұрын

I did make a killing machine character that was a bard from the college of whispers. He was primarily a mercenary. He’d do what he’s paid to do and was willing to work with pretty much anyone so long as there was coin involved. But don’t ever try to cheat him because he will make sure you pay the piper one way or another. One unfortunate crew found this out the hard way. Over a dozen men were massacred and he wrote a new song in blood to be played in taverns for all to hear. The crews captain was displayed in town as a mangled corpse hanging from a noose as my bard played the fiddle.

@DrTimeSCPPsych

4 ай бұрын

I made a warforged gunslinger who was a former Killbot in a killbot army. I made constant jokes of him asking the party for permission to kill any npc that remotely annoyed him or was useless to us. Because his "reporgramming" prevented him from committing unauthorized lethal force.

@GarkKahn

2 ай бұрын

I did one but he acted like a bodyguard for the party

@seankelly4312

24 күн бұрын

I once played a character whose race and class made him Godzilla, but with the Doom Slayer’s abilities. He ran a cat cafe, and he wore a maid dress + cat ears. He was one of my favorite characters to play as.

Imagine disallowing or restricting RP in an RPG and kicking someone out for RP in an RPG. And DM not having a clue how to improvise. OP should be glad they were kicked, hell they should’ve left much sooner. I’ll never understand why OPs in these stories stay in toxic groups.

@lastpringle8904

4 ай бұрын

You'd hate Gmod Dark RP

@WeirdOrangeThing

4 ай бұрын

Bro should have told them that they suck at DnD and are noobs and then go find another group

@Evoker23-lx8mb

4 ай бұрын

@@WeirdOrangeThing IKR

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Hopefully OP steers people away from that game's ad to prevent them new players.

@WeirdOrangeThing

4 ай бұрын

@@Evoker23-lx8mb lol I'm very confrontational and enjoy pushing buttons if people are being entitled and stupid.

Listening to the players in the 3rd story "roleplaying" by speaking entirely in indirect speech was painful.

@starofjustice1

4 ай бұрын

Know what else was painful? Realizing at least some of these stories really happen

@JustAPasserby-e6z

13 күн бұрын

Every part of that one was torture to listen to.

Good on the DM for at least admitting that he was attracted to the cleric. Hopefully he took the rejection in stride and continued to DM impartially from that point on.

Ah Simba, there's wisdom behind those eyes. My question about the first story - if the DM knew the Barbarian was a murderhobo - why let him into the group in the first place?

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

DM probably didn't know he was homophobic and racist on top of that. This murder hobo seemed limited to combat focused instead of derailing campaigns.

@chrisrudolf9839

4 ай бұрын

They also said they were playing a "traditional" D&D game -. go into dungeon, kill things in dungeon, get treasure, rinse and repeat. A murder hobo usually isn't much of a problem in that kind of game, which tends to be focused on combat and dungeon exploring and light on the roleplay anyway.

Balance Story. I get the vibe that the DM doesn't want to change the encounters so that they CAN send in their DMPC and trash talk the party after. And after 2 years of this I would say that this DM has themselves a party that WILL put up with it as they haven't left yet.

The third story, man, I think we know why the last player ghosted them.

@peterriverajr6899

4 ай бұрын

Yea no shit I can't blame them

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Or maybe we don't. If the former player was originally a founding party member, there's a chance they left for ther reasons besides playstyle differences.

@Djanck000

4 ай бұрын

Nah, third story makes op sound like a jerk. If you're invited to play with a group and notice they play in a way you don't find enjoyable, you just leave. Op kept insisting after both gm and the other players asked them to stop.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@Djanck000 Except DM advertised it as roleplay heavy and insulted OP for roleplaying and having an opinion besides "yes DM."

@Djanck000

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan They were all roleplaying. Voice acting and speaking in character isn't the only way of roleplaying.

The "What is Roleplay?" group sounds a bit like one of the groups I play with -- sometimes people just enjoy the combat and tactics, and don't care about the character stuff. Not everyone's cup to tea, obviously, which is why it's important to be up front about the type of game it is. Calling it "roleplay heavy" when it's the exact opposite is just guaranteeing you're going to have conflicts. And the DM freaking out when OP tried to tiptoe off the railroad was pretty bad, also. Again, having a linear game is fine, as long as you know what you're getting up front. My guess is, these three have been playing among themselves for a while, haven't had any exposure to more experienced players (or watched any actual play shows), and developed this idiosyncratic way of playing. And now that they're looking to add players, they don't even realize how out of the mainstream they are.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Based on them saying their last player ghosted them, I'm guessing they only advertised to replace a former party member. OP could be wrong about ghosting being a red flag and may have had reasons unrelated to game style, but it doesn't excuse exacerbating the clash of playstyles.

@Saru5000

4 ай бұрын

OP and the group needed to discuss what roleplaying meant to them as soon as the conflict arose.

@Djanck000

4 ай бұрын

Nah, people who think the only "right way" of roleplaying is by voice acting and speaking in character need to just chill. Description based roleplaying is nothing new, there's nothing wrong with it and i played a ton of rp heavy campaigns with a group that exclusively played like that. I don't know why people think every table has to be like critical roll nowadays, but there are other ways of playing TTRPGs.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@Djanck000 It's one thing to simply have a different play style, and it's another to insult someone for playing differently. This could have been avoided if DM realized advertising the game as "roleplay heavy" would attract players like OP, who apparently are frowned upon that table.

@Djanck000

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan I mean, no one in the story had a great reaction to each other, but the group was very clear that the style of role playing they were going for was that and OP kept pushing for what they've decided is the "right way" to role play. OP made it very super clear that they don't consider what the group was doing as role play (which, by the way, is a type of role playing and OP is wrong) and instead of leaving or trying to learn a new way of playing, insisted on something they already had noticed was sucking the fun out of the game for everybody else.

Reminds me of that anime meme with the guy in glasses letting go of a butterfly, "Is this roleplay?"

The last story is wild. It always amazes me when i hear someone say how tired and sick of a terrible dm they are... then to turn around and say that theyve been putting up with it for 2 YEARS. Some people need to stop pretending like everything is someone elses fault when they're willing to get bullied for years and do nothing

The last story, simple but someone of your party will need to sacrifice as DM, someone make a game and invite him to the table, let him make whatever he want and play the game normally until is his turn, when that happend, make a DMPC that doeverything in his turn, make his PC impossible to play and, when he complays, tell him "So, You now see what WE have suffer in these years? Is not funny, isn´t?" If he don´t like it and don´t change, kick him from the table bc probably he have a so high ego that the universe is small in comparison

What is Roleplay Story. If you are a DM and you have no answer for a question like this ready, simply role on the Random Encounter Table for that habitat/ environment your game has and THAT is your reason why the NPC doesn't want to go in there. Even if it comes up as, by whatever means, Bunnies, that is the reason that NPC won't go in there. And now also gives your NPC a quirk of being terrified of that kind of creature.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes! They've got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses! And what's with all the carrots? What do they need such good eyesight for anyway? Bunnies, bunnies! It must be bunnies!

@ErdriedDeirdre

3 ай бұрын

@fred_derf ​Unexpected Buffy reference! 😆 You just made my day better. 🤗

Don’t you just love when people try to justify homophobia and racism as being “anti-woke”. You know, for a group of people who, like to call everyone, snowflakes and thin skin they sure do get triggered when you confront them on their nonsense.

@cliffordhammermeister4443

2 ай бұрын

"Anti woke" is LITERALLY just code for bigoted. If youre anti woke and that means you dont want more queer and minority representation, youre bigoted! Its super obvious when you just think about it. Can queer people be annoying? For sure! But any kind of disrespect given to someone on the basis of their identity is WAAAY more malicious than a gay person being mean

@ThePhantomSafetyPin

10 күн бұрын

The right can't meme and also it likes to project.

"Your beliefes don't match my world view, so you're wrong! Only what I beleive is right and correct! How dare you think differently than me!" Ima mad and scared now!"

2nd Story: Now that's what rolling a Natural-20 in real life is like!

Thanks for the video, doge. I'm fresh out the hospital for a bronchial infection and it was good to laugh and just scream "WHAT!?" at some of these ridiculous stories. Simba is radiant as always.

@tsifirakiehl4250

4 ай бұрын

I hope you feel better soon!

I'm reminded of a D&D game (I can't recall if it was OD&D or AD&D) I played at a comic store. Guy wanted to give it a try. Thinking on it it must've been OD&D because we rolled the character on the spot, and he wanted to play the dwarf because it had a cool mini (I'd painted up a reaper mini). So we start up, dude seems okay, the party meets his character in the dungeon and I describe the party as he sees them, and I ask him, "What's your character's name?" and guy says "Whoa! Name? That's a little...you know, too into it." He kind of muddled through but he thought us talking in character etc. was weird, and never came back.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

Some people are just looking for a boardless-board game and see naming your character about as silly as naming your thimble in Monopoly.

Add kind of the inverse of the first story happened to me once. Not that big of a deal but one of the players didn't like that my barbarian like dancing and demanded that they were gay. I firmly said no and nothing else like that really happened other than they really didn't like a lot of my characters if it didn't fit their idea of them..

So I experience this all the time when I look for a game and I find one that is advertised as very role-playing. But then you are thrown into a meat grinder without warning in the game. The game lasted less than 5 minutes and my Sorcerer died instantly because of a dragon's frost breath. I was speechless. The DM said "For next time, please make 3 characters that can do something. If you have no idea how to build a strong character, you will need a lot of them in stock." The other players were a Paladin called "Paladin", an Artificer called "Iron Man" and a Rouge, who immediately sprints away when a fight starts and doesn't participate. I think I shouldn't have made my Owlin Draconic Sorcerer fascinated by dragons in his backstory.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

I think some people, when they say _role playing,_ mean your character plays a specific role in combat (tank, healer, DPS, etc.).

"... we are playing a game, not living a fairytale!" says the guy DMing a ttrpg that was literally meant to be a framework for collaborative storytelling to help people immerse themselves in fantasy worlds.

What is Roleplay Story. It almost feels like these guys were trying to do a video game without the video game honestly.

D and D game: Its hilariously pathetic how they call OP childish for acting like they're "in a fairy tale" when they're pretending to be wizards in a magic forest. I have a feeling this group plays D&D as basic and bare-bones out of some personal fear of being seen as "childish" themselves, perhaps as a result of being bullied by their peers in the past. If that's the case its pretty sad.

Thanks for another great episode, Doge!

DM really be making cockamamie changes to the game to stop problem players before they consider kicking them.

I got secondhand embarrassment with that no-roleplay one

I could tell that Simba was purring loudly.

Story 2: Well, at least it was mercifully short for OP. It's rare to see the trash take itself out like that.

The player didn't ruin the game, the DM did trying to "flirt" with her. It can't be said enough, don't use D&D, or any TTRPG to try and get into a relationship.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Though that player did use a TTRPG to try getting into a relationship with her crush. And succeeded.

@marybdrake1472

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan That is an exception and not the rule remember. It's always a bad idea to go into a game with that in mind. If it happens, then it happens. Far more often than not it won't.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@marybdrake1472 Definitely an exception, but not one I expected for this rule.

@marybdrake1472

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan This is more rare in frequency, so that's natural.

Lol I loved the “D and D” game. It’s genuinely just NPC behavior the whole way through

"D and D" looks weird. It would be better to use an ampersand: D&D. By the way, I personally dislike DnD because shortening the word and to "n" is rediculous and only happens when you're mumbling.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

Referring to D&D as DnD bugs me no end.

that second part was so funny. how can you play a roleplay game with so little rp?

In that last story, the DM & OP should switch roles, with the OP creating homebrew monsters that do dumb bullshit that the DM couldn't possibly know about (like explode and deal a bunch of damage when they die, as what happened with OP) and gang up on him with ten or more monsters at once. Give DM a taste of what they've been putting the party through, so that they can see first-hand why it's a bad idea.

Dawww such a good orange kitty

That third story sounds like DND if it a bland and flavorless meal.

In the Fiancée Gained story they girl was not the problem, it was the DM, so while the "problem player" becoming her fiancé is a cute story, that is not exactly what happened. As for the What is Roleplay story, I am glad that group finds it fun, but playing a TTRPG without understanding or liking the concept of roleplay, particularly falsely saying your group is roleplaying and character focused is weird.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

My guess is the reason the fiance could be called a problem player was joining just to be close to a crush while scantily clad (based solely on the story description of her first session) and taking a while to call out the favoritism. Maybe OP thought they were the problem for a while until the end confirmed DM was the actual problem.

I am so glad I never had to encounter rude players like this but seriously They're playing a game of make believe pretty much I can imagine playing with players like this to be super dull and boring the fun part of role playing games is the role playing You're building a story with other players and the DM. Then making the rude comment of saying not living a fairytale You're playing in a world filled with elves, dwarves and other magical creatures I also have to say if they're putting that much restriction on themselves playing d&d why not just play video games at that point

You're awesome Doge

While rolling a nat1 on a save most often leads to failure if you have the stat for the sage maxed out, have proficiency in it, is in a max charisma paladins aura of protection, an artificer use a max intelligence flash of genius, and have a cloak of protection and a ring of protection, you could on a nat1 get an save of 20+ since a save isn’t an automatic failure on a nat1. But I doubt the stars aligned like this here.

They aren't actually RPing in the third story (save for OP). It's more like they're talking. I imagine them talking robotically.

Having a strong character, one "designed to be a killing machine", isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. I know I tend to lean towards more physically-attack-based characters myself because I like being either the type of character who COULD cause major damage but CHOOSES not to unless it's the only option or the "not-that-smart gentle giant" type, and others might do it because they want the security of it or because they enjoy more physical combat. It becomes a problem when the player behind that tank is a grade-A moron with a complex, especially when there's nobody to punish/reign them in when they go to far. At least this time the others weren't putting up with his BS...

i’lL teLl yOu wHen To rOlePlaY Oh my bad DM, I just thought we were playing a tabletop ROLEPLAYING game.

You can look back on it as avtually pretty hilarious in-context. The barbarian was warforged. So basically this robot was programmed wrong and agro-d on gay people. So it had to be dismantled.

Sounds like that game was Roll-Play heavy instead of roleplay heavy

Thank you Simba.

"Blessed is the holy order of silent words. Cleanse our perdition of this heretic. These delusions shall not persist. Praise to the blanks. Scorn to the actors."

Yay Doge!

That Non-RP story is old, but man is it funny. I don't want to say any particular way to play is "wrong" per se, but man do they come close to the line.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

The way they play isn't really the problem, it's their advertising of the game as something it's not then mocking the player who answered the advertisement.

DM of the final story might not be totally un-savable. He might be bad at changing on his end so perhaps the player characters should become more powerful. More max HP, more spell slots, capable of using higher level spells a spell slot lower than normal, magical equipment etc. His encounters might actuslly become fun if they allow the players to feel powerful instead of ganged up on.

3rd Story: • Princess. • Ran away from home. • Sole Survivor. That's three red flags right there.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Having a backstory?

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan, writes _"Having a backstory?"_ No, having three of the most common and overused tropes employed by Edge Lords, Mary Sues and those with Main Character Syndrome.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf Because OP was trying to do bare minimum for a backstory in a "heavy roleplay" campaign. Just enough for plot hooks. Not everyone who uses royalty, runaways, and/or vengeance is automatically an edgelord, Mary Sue, or has main character syndrome. Might as well call the paladin class a red flag despite Half-caster being requested.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan A red flag simply indicates something to be wary of, it's not a guarantee of a problem. It's an indicator that they might be a problem -- so keep a sharp eye out.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf Red flags can also be wrong. The story about the fiance had a red flag from that player and it turned out she was fine in the end.

What Monk archetype do you think Simba would be?

02:30 You expect me to believe there are no lusty male demons in lust, or is this specifically Dante's version?

Those two players in that "D and D" group must have been browbeaten to the point where this is stockholm syndrome, or genuinely had no idea about actual roleplay

@TheLevantin

4 ай бұрын

There are many who play DnD as a board game and just want to smash monsters.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

They're likely just naturally agreeing with DM instead of victims considering they willingly team killed OP.

@starofjustice1

4 ай бұрын

@@TheLevantinAbsolutely, but then you say "low roleplay, combat-heavy game". Not "roleplay heavy, character-driven game".

@TheLevantin

4 ай бұрын

@@starofjustice1 Yes, of course you are right. This is how you should do it. But some don't do it that way. I've been into meat grinder DnD even though it was supposed to be "roleplay heavy".

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

@@starofjustice1 Some people have different definition of those terms, e.g. _role play heavy_ means to play your combat role properly.

That story about the role play made me so angry I can't see straight... I can't believe people like that actually want anything to do with creative pursuits like this. Shouldn't imaginationless pricks like that be doing taxes for fun or something?

That last story sounded like the DM was TRYING to push the DMPC as necessary by giving the party impossible odds that they have no ability to overcome at early levels and passing it off as the players being inept. That third story however honestly sounded way too stupid to be real.

"No sex stuff okay lets keep it family friendly, also my character is Geh with max points in charisma and you are all charmed in my sex harem." Barbarian getting the woodchipper.

Huh. My first hint something was weird would be the DM using a character's sexual preference as a game mechanic in a game not stated from the get-go to work that way: there are game systems and games in other systems where that's totally fine but it's kind of a "session zero" issue. My second hint we have a problem would be the player who designed his character as a "perfect killing machine" also apparently considering said character male and an object of sexual attraction.

Impressive. In the fist story the barbarian went from ewe gay person to SJW reasoning that only someone gay can play a gay character to lambasting a player being bi. I wonder if he got whiplash from the changes in what he was mad at.

I can’t improvise either so I kind of relate to that DM I wouldn’t have just killed the player I would have said then you can stay here while the other player go

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

I'd just say she's not lying. I don't recall anything hyping the NPC up beyond attractiveness.

its the player's character and player's choice

In fairness, for the 3rd story, different people do RP differently. Personally, i honestly hate RP and would rather not have to act out the scenes. But I understand and respect those who do like it.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Would have helped if they advertised their game correctly and let the new player adjust instead of insulting them for expecting "heavy roleplaying".

Why is it always the people saying its rude to play as gay when you're not tend to be the most vile people on earth? Its almost like they're overcompensating their shit personalities with actions that are "for your own good"

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Gotta claim the moral high ground to make people feel bad for disagreeing. Reminds me of at least one person saying "gay people who don't play straight characters are bad at roleplay".

hahahaha "we are playing a game, not living in a fairytale..." dude is delusional

Why does sexuality need to be a main point of a character or a person cant that shit be kept private or something

I'm no star roleplayer but even I would not last in such a dry, clinical, on rails game like that "D and D" campaign. Also what is the dm smoking to label this game roleplay heavy and character driven? He literally threw a tantrum over character driven roleplay.

The roleplaying one was poor communication on the group's side, but otherwise it was a play style issue. They weren't "playing wrong", just differently.

@bayardkyyako7427

4 ай бұрын

Except if they advertised it as "Roleplay heavy" as OP said at 10:44 then they're just lying to the people they're advertising to. This would be the same as a video game marketing itself as a "Your choices matter" type game and in the end there's only one ending no matter how you reach it, definitely not talking about a subpar game series like Life is Strange or anything like that.

@Saru5000

4 ай бұрын

@@bayardkyyako7427 they have a different way of roleplaying. It doesn't need to be acted out like most groups do. It's a communication issue.

@bayardkyyako7427

4 ай бұрын

@@Saru5000 Yeah acting like a Hitler towards roleplay is really roleplay heavy That's really just a lack of communication

@Saru5000

4 ай бұрын

@@bayardkyyako7427 Hitler?

@Saru5000

4 ай бұрын

@@bayardkyyako7427 That escalated quickly.

Op in the final story might have a masochist fetish x.x 2 years. . .

holy shit is that a talking dog

If writing "D and D" instead of "DnD" is a red flag for you than you have some serious issues. It is Dungeons AND Dragons, not "Dungeons 'N Dragons." It can be DnD, D&D, or D and D, I don't give a crap.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

I assumed it was just uncreative.

@devcrom3

4 ай бұрын

​@@ArcCaravan It's petty.

@fred_derf

4 ай бұрын

From the original Basic Set it's always been _Dungeons & Dragons._ So shortening it to D&D makes sense. Writing "Dungeons and Dragons" is wrong. Do an image search for _d&d basic set box cover_

That “what is roleplay” story is stale asf 😂😂

I understand that D&D was originally just a dungeon crawler where you kill shit, & it's perfectly fine to play it like that. But the majority of people expect role playing in their role playing game. If you just want a basic murder hobo game, you should be clear about that from the start......or play a videogame.

Third story makes op sound like a jerk. Was obviously playing against the group.

Who actually cares what your character does in the bedroom if it's not part of a scene in the game? Like who actually cares? Let characters be non-straight.

I just thought it was new people that did descriptions.

@MayHugger

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, weirdly it feels like the more experienced the player, the less creative and descriptive they get.

@leguan278

4 ай бұрын

@@MayHugger don’t you mean the opposite? The more experienced the more roleplay focuse they get?

@MayHugger

4 ай бұрын

@@leguan278 You’d think that would be the case, but no, I find more experienced players to do it less than newer players.

3:06 Wait which is this guy? If you hate gay people why care if someone's interpretation is "rude" because they aren't gay? Shouldn't you be happy someone is being rude toward something you don't like by not being the annoying stereotype of it you think he'd be? 17:07 "Your not living in a fairy tale" Said the DM to magical elf woman outside an enchanted forest both things that are usually within fairy tales last I checked but I'm no expert.. "A paladin not a holy knight" not like that's exactly what a paladin is??? Why did this guy want to run an rpg if he doesn't like or know how to do the rp part of it??

First story: I’m glad this story had a happy ending, but why the heck did it take so long to kick that jerk? If I was the DM, Barbarian would have been out on his ass at the first homophobic remark. Second story: I admire the maturity of OP’s now-fiancée. There are a lot of full-grown adults out there who would not have handled that situation as well as she did at the age of sixteen. Hopefully the DM also learned a lesson about playing favorites! Third story: So… what does this group think the first two letters of RPG stand for? I think OP dodged a bullet by being kicked. Fourth story: Look, I understand that the CR system in 5e is broken. Balancing encounters can be hard. This, however, is not the way to go about it. OP, I think it may be time to let this campaign go. You and the other players have tried to talk to the DM multiple times, and every single time, he’s blown you off. I think the best course of action right now is to see if anyone else wants to give DMing a try.

Story 3 - those players were speaking like first year scriptwriting students. My guess is that they were all friends studying the same profession, and wanted to use DnD to practice and develop stories they could mine later for material.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

If they were, they have a LONG way to go. And they shouldn't invite people under false pretenses.

@darby2314

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan But then how will they feel superior to others?

Never really liked that 3rd story... always just sounded like a group of people had a specific way of playing that they were having a blast with and instead of either going along or leaving they just disrupted them. Especially with that comment about wanting to leave because of the way the discord's name was written, the op sounds like kinda a twat

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Maybe if the group didn't try advertising under false pretenses, there wouldn't be a problem. Instead they explain nothing and complain about different playstyles. Also worth remembering these stories were written after the incidents took place, so aknowledging red flags seen in hindsight aren't the same as judging what ended up being problem players before problems start.

lol, 3rd story is a mess. 3rd person narrative is perfectly fine. not everyone is a theater kid, and thats ok.

@starofjustice1

4 ай бұрын

Maybe, but almost all players come into "roleplay heavy, character-driven story" with certain expectations.

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Ugh... the 7 deadly sins. There aren't that many tropes I dislike, but the 7 deadly sins is so overdone. Also, lust fux almost all the campaigns up.

@MayHugger

4 ай бұрын

So are petty arrogant villains, but they’re still used constantly. Using the Seven Deadly Sins as a concept is fine, so long as it’s thought out.

@kaylawoodbury2308

4 ай бұрын

Figuratively or literally? 😏 Joking aside I've definitely seen the same. The basic concept of having a set number of bosses/mini bosses that symbolize different things is solid... But people need to leave the sins alone for a bit. I just don't think enough people are mature enough, disconnected from real world religion enough, or creative enough to make it work. For instance lust isn't inherently intimate in nature. Lust for power? Lust for fame? Bloodlust? It's meant to symbolize any strong desire and temptation, not just boinking. Just as Gluttony isn't just about "I'm fat and eat lots of food!". It'd be better for people to take the concepts and do their own thing. Do something based on the 4 horseman, or Sandman, or Elder Scrolls. Make your own thing, introducing other symbols like, off the cuff, Lord of Dreams, Lady of Nightmares, Lord of The Empty, Lady of Conscious.

@watcherofmemelords7967

4 ай бұрын

Be an interesting change of pace if someone made the thirteen virtues the villains for once.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

​@@MayHuggerI'd rather have petty arrogant villains then antagonists who think their good guys with nobody pointing out who their arguments make as much sense as flat earthers.

@PapaBearIsHere

4 ай бұрын

I think the sins can be done, I for example made them a bloodlust warrior of carnage (for lust), A mage angered by the refusal to use knowledge to better peoples lives (wrath), a man who abandoned his duty wanting to follow a simple path to oblivion (sloth), a power-hungry monster representative of the wendigo in myth (gluttony), a pirate who had nothing and sought freedom for himself despite his status as a lesser being (greed), a vampire who lost everything he loved, and views the happiness of others as something taken away from himself (envy), and pride being a being created by the devil to serve, having pride in their master, and wanting to discover who they are as a person. I added despair due to being the original 8th sin (the reason why dante's has 9 circles is limbo + 8 sins), as a being who represents someone who given up on the world due to it being built on the suffering of their father (a cosmic space being) I think sins can be a interesting thing to explore as long as you layer the reasons, and think of why they would fall to the way they do, and they are led by the devil who I hope my players find as an irredeemable monster.

What the fluff, people?! Almost a thousand views, but barely a hundred likes?! Doge is one of the best DnD channels online, and y'all can't spare the fraction of a second to help him out with an extra click on the "👍"?! You gotta have at least one unbroken finger, or you couldn't have clicked on the video at all! C'mon! Help a Doge out!🥺

Story #1 - "Homophobic Murderhobo" sounds like it should be a meme or something. I am glad the DM "sort of" prevented him from killing another Character. But what he SHOULD have done was freeze action, rewind and boot this psycho there and then. But the final resolution was good - him being booted AND his Character basically turned into spare parts was great. AFAIK, while a few Warforged might exhibit '"male" or "female" characteristics, they all lack sexuality or physical gender. I may be totally wrong, but this suggests to me that Murderhobo's Barbarian Character *could* be considered Asexual, if only by default. Given all his other prejudices, THIS revelation probably would have sent MH completely over the edge. Delightful to imagine. :) Story #2 - This is not at all a horror story, although it could have easily turned into one. Kudos for calling out the DM as she did, and for the general handling of the situation. Wishing the engaged couple all the best for their future. Story #3 - No idea WHAT this bunch were all about. Story #4 - If it isn't fun for you, then either leave or change DMs. This DM keeps saying he'll change,, but never does. Take that as a sign.

More homophobia? Ugh OK

@MayHugger

4 ай бұрын

It grabs views.

@Bizzyb33z

4 ай бұрын

I mean…it does happen a lot in DnD spaces. I’ve gone through it too

"we are playing a game, not living a fairytale" what kind of dnd did this dude grow up with? how do you ignore the entire concept of dnd while playing dnd??

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

I'd just say, "If we're playing a game, why isn't it fun? Real games are made better than this."

"Get out of your fairy tales" ...bruh youre playing dnd.... youre playing a tabletop fantasy game where you prerend to be fantasy heroes

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17:04 I'm going to go against the grain and give an unpopular opinion the op is the asshole in this situation. Just because they are playing in a different way that you would play, doesn't mean that they are wrong for playing in that way. It just means that your types of play Styles clash. They are role-playing, just in a different way way of role playing. They're playing like they are playing a pixel jrpg instead of critical role. Is it extremely creative or narrative Focus not really, but that's not a problem for them and they are the ones having fun. You are the one trying to change the way that they play the game, and so you are the one ruining the fun. They weren't being an assholes, they weren't being gatekeeping for being that guy. If anything, the op was being that guy by trying to stubbornly play the game in a different way and trying to change the way they play, despite the fact that they informed them politely that this table doesn't play that way. If it doesn't mess with you, then just move to a different game and politely drop out. But don't be an asshole pretending like you're the victim and that they're The Crazy Ones for not playing in this typical way.

@kaylawoodbury2308

4 ай бұрын

Okay so you're saying that I can advertise a game as a dungeon crawling meat grinder and make the people that want to join sit through hours of heavy roleplay and lore, then when they go "hey, I thought this was a meat grinder, what gives?" I can throw a tantrum and call them all min maxing murderhobos and kick them. Got it. Joking aside you're missing the actual problem here. Op isn't upset that they play different, they're upset that the game was not remotely as advertised to them. You can't in good conscience say your game is roleplay heavy and character driven, then get mad when they expect character driven, heavy roleplay when you just want to do an old text base rpg. Op is not in the wrong for expecting what they were literally told to expect and being disappointed when they got something completely different. Advertise your games properly.

@watcherofmemelords7967

4 ай бұрын

While I respect you opinion and you are allowed to share it I must unfortunately disagree if you are referring to the d and d story which seems to be the case.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

This wasn't simply differing playstyles, this was false advertising. And if the table weren't jerks about OP roleplaying then just immediately killing their character off, you would have a better argument. At worst both sides are equally wrong for not liking each others' styles, and even then OP wasn't rude about it beyond asking a question.

Got an ad for Chik Fil A on a video about LGBT tabletop stories. Seems inappropriate.

damn ... sad he missed the bard. That have nothing to do in D&D or any other RPG who's not about this or find a group who accept it, don't just make it a surprise for people who don't like it, it's a group game, think about others. Well after saying this i checked quickly and see it's a woke channel so the outcome was pretty obvious. And me not losing more time here too.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Then they shouldn't have a gameplay mechanic based on sexual attraction.

@nicotect

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan 🤡

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@nicotect What else would you expect from channels about reading stories on Reddit talking about bad experiences with a board game?

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

4 ай бұрын

@@nicotectSeems like you're the 🤡 here. And a bigot boy to go with it.

Second one: just sounds like an excuse to say they got a cute girl. Bit of a humble brag without a point. Third one: that is role-playing. Some people prefer to nor speak in character. The op was derailing the game too. If you are the odd man out and the rest of the group is united against you, the problem is not everyone else.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

Second story could be about an attention seeking problem player who got favoritism wound up not being nearly as bad as expected. Third story table would have a better argument if the game wasn't advertised as roleplay heavy only to be so simple that anything more complex then yes/no is derailing.

@rynowatcher

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan that is role-playing, though. It is just a different style than what op was used too. I have been to games where players do not talk in voice, and the first part is banter between the npc and other two pc's.

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@rynowatcher But not heavy roleplaying. And instead of calmly explaining the differences, the table rudely mocked OP for responding with anything besides yes/no. If they wanted a light/no roleplaying game, that's fine so long as they don't falsely advertise it. It's like they were asking for heavy role players just to mock them for doing so.

@rynowatcher

4 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan issue is there is not an accepted definition for "heavy role play." It does not seem like it by your standards, but they did have banter, rejectable quests, and character moments. Compared to a 1980's video game it is downright drama class because they actually care enough to characterize the pc's. I have played dungeon crawlers where players do not name characters other than "Bob's Fightin Man." Some people play like that. As far as the blame game goes, this seems like op was tweeking them to get that reaction. When the gm says, "I did not think that far," and blanks you are doing a jerk move if you then double down and force the gm to freeze when you know they got nothing. I have played with people on the spectrum and some people have problems abstracting fictional situations; like a fake person might be lying to your fictional character. This kind of sounds like those kind of interactions, so I am not willing to say one side is nessicarily all in the wrong here, but if EVERYONE in the group has a problem with what you are doing, you are in the wrong for that group. You cannot change how the other three people have been having fun for a while (they completed one adventure at least), so what is the point in saying "your fun is wrong, play my way," here? This is arguing for moral high ground in fun, so what does it matter?

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@rynowatcher They want to play their way, fine. But when you advertise it as roleplay heavy and then complain about someone roleplaying too much by saying more than yes, it is reasonable to say it isn't as roleplay heavy as advertised (no other criteria was mentioned). Instead of actually acknowledging a misunderstanding, the table treated OP as bad/stupid for roleplaying differently than them. It's not like OP forced them to advertise their game the way they did or insulted them for their playstyle. And different standards of heavy roleplaying is no excuse for insulting OP directly for wanting conventional roleplay. Just because the majority of the table are jerks doesn't mean OP is the jerk for disagreeing. Like if the homophobe murder hobo story had everyone side against the bard, would that player be the jerk just because of majority rules? Saying it counts as roleplay heavy based on 1980s games when it happened in the 2000s (based on voice chat existing) feels like a bad excuse, like saying a room is clean by the standards of cavemen.

Im not saying barb is right, but imo sexual orientation being a part of your character sounds weird.

@KingZNIN

4 ай бұрын

Yet all of your characters are straight?

@birdthebird3396

4 ай бұрын

It was specifically brought up in a scenario where it was relevant, so it’s not like they just had being gay as one of the top character descriptors.

@KingZNIN

4 ай бұрын

Yet you play straight characters

@Akrna47

4 ай бұрын

@KingZNIN ???? Nah I play an elf wizard. Not a straight elf wizard

@ArcCaravan

4 ай бұрын

@@Akrna47 So no romance?

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