First story: DM and/or problem appears to be showing a trait of abusers and narcissists: the refusal to accept that someone left them and trying to exert complete control over others (even if such a narrow sphere)

@sydinzeplin1209

3 ай бұрын

Oh, hey. That is the crap my ex tried.

@SinnerChrono

3 ай бұрын

Im a psychology and mental health student. I didnt notice anything particularly narracistic in the behavior. Manipulative and controlling yes. But those by themselves arent indicative of narracistic personality disorder.

@spectrelead

3 ай бұрын

@@SinnerChrono Why I used 'appears', to bake in that I could be wrong, and always glad to be informed when I am, or could be. I appreciate a more informed person telling me how I could be off-base so I can try to grow to a better person

@SinnerChrono

3 ай бұрын

@spectrelead im sorry if i also came off agro in my response. Text based convos are notorious for being that way. Im only a student and not a licensed professional or anything. I just know that terms like narracistic get thrown around a lot but its actually pretty complex stuff. People can have narracistic traits or tendencies without having the disorder. I have my own moments typically in moments of great stress or if i feel personally attacked. Either way seeing you say you are trying to grow and improve is great.

So good to see Luna looking like a cat after her rough entrance

“These people are stalking me. It’s so bad that they’ll probably comment below trying to twist the story” *ten minutes later stalker leaves a comment 🤦 I’d love to see that thread. I hope they got clowned on relentlessly.

Story 3 : God that I hate the "My character will not collaborate with a Rogue, but I will tell nothing about it." stories. You gotta learn to make characters who can cooperate, if not be allies, with what your party have in stores. And if it's too much, Communicate when asked if that's ok. In my case, I play a Neutral good Lathandre Paladin, so I can tolerate thieves, but Necromancer are a big no. Therefore, I tell the group and GM to avoid to make me collaborate with those since it would lead to troubles.

@funnyblog100

3 ай бұрын

You can be a rogue without stealing or doing anything illegal. Indiana Jones for example. Delving into dungeons uncovering artifacts and treasures fits an archeologist. You might even work for a museum or university. It’s how I’m playing a rogue in a campaign I’m currently in. Gave him the sage background.

About the Agro Player story, the DM should have gently reminded the player that he had no problem with the player's character when they were asked. They don't need to be friends with the rogue, but they at least need to tone down the obstinance and let the other player actually play a character THEY agreed wouldn't be a problem. Their stubbornness and the DM's lack of action to stop this nonsense are the duel problems here.

it’S whAt mY chAraCteR woUld Do Say it with me now: WHO MADE THE CHARACTER?!

@Creshosk

3 ай бұрын

Not only that, but it's funny how the character will act differently under different control, including doing nothing if no one is controlling them. The DM or another player might have the character do something completely different, in which case no, it's not "what your character would do."

@Spookhunter7

3 ай бұрын

me

@Leshantra

3 ай бұрын

@@Creshosk To be fair: Other people don't play the character, they are mostly playing their stats and what they THINK that chraracter is. Anyway: If any character can't cooperate with another character to the point they want to kill them, that character isn't fit for a cooperative game.

@Metal_Horror

3 ай бұрын

"It's what my character would do!" Then your character is garbage, and you're garbage at making them. If your character can't cooperate with a party, it's not a viable character; it's broken. Unusable. Besides, I miss the days when D&D used to be about stuff like dungeons. And dragons. The whole point was to take your lowly adventurer into the dirty, dank recesses of some terrifying place and survive with the loot. Now people have to have their snowflake character with their fifteen page background which details their sexual journey and preferences? Wtf? Hey, whatever's fun for the table, I guess.

@Vernon-Robber

3 ай бұрын

"Okay LN Fighter, you get Rogue arrested, in fact the whole party is taken to the guardhouse except for you. You are thanked for your vigilance and are free to go. You are no longer part of the adventuring party. Roll up a new character."

If it were my table, the one who rolls before saying their action would be forced to reroll. Unless you tell me what you're attempting or I've called for it, any rolling or fidgeting with dice isn't considered. Id say, "Cool, you rolled well, and hopefully your luck continues because there is no preloading rolls here." Also PS the Aggro Player story makes me mad, so the party has a treasurer and all of their money is his gold? That player would be kicked so fast.

@l0stndamned

3 ай бұрын

My policy is "bad rolls count good rolls don't unless asked for". I've never had any problems relating to people rolling first and then claiming stuff afterwards since this became policy :)

@Margen67

2 ай бұрын

Crows need HUGS

With the fighter story, the way to deal with that player is to tell him "Stop it, now." And if he keeps it up anyway, follow it up with "Okay, get out."

@shadiafifi54

3 ай бұрын

It appears they basically did that; the problem player wasn't invited to more games. He got punished for his actions.

@whensomethingcriesagain

3 ай бұрын

@@shadiafifi54 I mean right up front though. I have a hard and fast rule in my games, that if a player starts getting belligerent like this, they get the boot right then and there. I'm of the view that there should be a zero-tolerance policy on this kinda behavior, that gets enforced more sternly than just not inviting them later on

@evolution031680

3 ай бұрын

Easy to say to a stranger or acquaintance. Not so easy to say to a friend you have history with.

"I can excuse murder but I'll draw the line at theft: the problem player in the third story apparently

The rat folk story. In the first season of dungeons of drakkenheim done by the dungeon dudes they used a similar speaking pattern for the Ratlings. It worked wonderfully yes yes yes.

@WTFisTingispingis

3 ай бұрын

I thought it was a good idea myself, I dunno why the dude in the story was so pissy about it.

@Spartan135

3 ай бұрын

​@@WTFisTingispingis Some wretched man-things just hating fun-enjoyment!

Your advice about a new reddit account is pretty much what I myself did after leaving a bad table. I was “friends” with a nightmare DM on Reddit still, didn’t know how to unfriend or block them, so I ended up making a new account to do a couple minor posts about my experience. Then I just went about using it as my new main so I could live my own life finally. But I avoided using it for LFG just to he safe. I ended up relying on other sites and apps for that instead (including Discord, which is how I found a long running group that I am still part of, and we just entered out second campaign a couple days ago!)

That ratfolk one scared me at first, as I played a ratfolk in a pathfinder 1e campaign and was hanging on each next word like "oh god dont be me dont be me" Thank god it wasn't I didn't do anything particularly vile in that campaign and I made sure everyone was ok with it, but I did use an enemy gnome's body parts to make potions because my character was chaotic nuetral and this gnome had done a personal blow to her and her beliefs, but I made sure everyone was ok with that kind of stuff.

For the last story, with only one player being annoyed with the harmless RP I would tell them either deal with it or find a different group. Like OP stated there is no set rule on how characters talk.

Story #1 - It really was a mistake to stick with these psychos for as long as they did. As I've said before, these sorts of things never improve over time - more likely to just get worse, if anything. As one possible move, I'd suggest looking for RPG groups OUTSIDE of Reddit. Warning groups they try tp join would help negate most of what these @$$holes are trying to do. Story #2 - I feel like this is something to quietly point out to the DM, and let them deal with. If you ARE the DM, set up a few protocols and stick to them. Such as Character sheets being thoroughly vetted pre-game, and any die roll not stated in advance AND witnessed by someone else simply not counting. Story #3 - In my experience, the "I'm Just Role-Playing My Character" excuse is horribly misused - usually by That Guys to justify unforgivable behavior. That's what happened here. The DM's lack of experience was a factor here, otherwise he should have headed off the Fighter's bad behavior, and even play the "No, That Did Not Happen" card if absolutely necessary. Glad this experience didn't put OP off the hobby.

My first online DND game was with people from all over the states and when I was set to introduce my half-orc paladin some people where shocked at my accent (kentucky) and they just said from now on orcs and half-orcs that lived in orc tribes now had country accents. I felt so accepted lol, very heartwarming experience during lockdown.

Some DMs should just keep with what has already been discussed. I mean the third story. And be more comfortable saying no to their players. Stopping disruptive behavior isn't taking away player agency.

2nd story's cheater reminds me of, "I tell you you're stupid." /rolls dice/ "...And you believe me."

Story 1, I will never understand the mindset of people who, instead of being happy in themselves, feel the need to ruin the happiness of others. It's small-minded and petty, and such people would be worthy of pity if they weren't so mean. Story 2, NTA, that guy is just trying to put one over on the table. I like big numbers as much as anyone, but if everyone uses point buy, then everyone uses point buy, and preloading good dice rolls is just cheating. Story 3, fighter is a problem player, unable to accept that they can't have metagame knowledge and having beef with OP. I'm glad that they're not welcome to the group going forward. Story 4, I can get being annoyed with certain in-game quirks, but that player was just being a stickinthemud and hating on other people's creativity. He needs to "go go".

In the D-bag Fighter story the DM definitely should have curbed the Fighter's behaviour. After the attack not only should the town guards have dragged Fighter away and either executed him or chucked him in prison for unprovoked murder but also resurrected OPs character using confiscated gold from Fighter. Actions have CONSEQUENCES!

Yeah, that first one. Hits home with me currently. I've got a couple of stalkers I'm trying to deal with. It's progressing, at least.

Good to see Luna looking so well! Thanks for the stories Doge, they have made the start to my day that much brighter!

When things get that bad the whole table needs to boot the DM and problem player. Those two also strike me as being dishonest. I have doubts that those had half the experience they claimed they did.

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

+bryanluna, writes _"I have doubts that those had half the experience they claimed they did."_ Just because someone has played D&D for a long time, doesn't mean they're any good at it or even have a basic understanding of the rules.

@marybdrake1472

3 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf True enough. None the less, I remain skeptical. They were acting like they didn't even have a year in.

Luna looks beautiful. Hard to believe the Poor girl was nearly a flattened and left for Dead. Good on you Doge for helping and Taking her In. She is no doubt a wonderful addition to the rest of the Kitty Party~

@thephantomspectator407

3 ай бұрын

Precious little tabaxis!😋😸 Although, knowing cats, I do sometimes wonder about their party's alignment, though...!😨

@swallowed103

3 ай бұрын

@thephantomspectator407 well Chaotic Random is the traditional Alignment, but nothing about The Doge Kitties is Tradituonal~

@Margen67

2 ай бұрын

birb

Yeah, I think Luna would likely be a Twilight Domain Cleric, or Maybe Night Domain (in the Humblewood source material).

Story 3, I possibly would have, as a fellow player, responded with, "Whelp, looks like we are also going to be having a dead fighter now." My reasoning? We were charged to let the thief work off their sentence by a task. We weren't suppose to kill him... I also would have tried to give the two gold instead, even if I had to meta game it, which at least probably would have delayed the greater issue.

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

In character, I would have butted in and said "Oh yah, I borrowed two gold from you last night... I forgot to tell you. Here you go". Just to watch the player seethe. Then tell the DM that if the other players can't get over this ridiculous fixation, them I'm out.

Luna, have you asserted yourself over your pet human yet? I am an indentured servant to a Feline Overlord, as well!!!

So, I can actually provide a bit more context for the first story in this that the Reddit OP left out as someone who bore witness to a lot of it: First and foremost, the OP actually left out a lot of back context for specific incidents that sparked a lot of the 'Problem Players' issues. One was that the OP's family member was constantly nagging on the supposed problem player for various things and mechanics that hadn't been an issue in prior sessions (of note the mechanic that was the breaking point: The Problem Player was wearing Medium Armor they weren't proficient in and still casting spells. They had been doing this since Session 2 without comment until it saved the problem player's character in Session 11. The OP's Brother brought this up and argued minutes before the next session before leaving the campaign). Some other key aspects left out: The first incident they mentioned wasn't actually resolved the way it was. The OP's family member (their brother) constantly left the group to venture on their own in a cave noted to be filled with zombies. This resulted in them finding a cell with the bodies of several members of the town guard they were from (of other note, this was a Tal'Dorei campaign). When one of the other members of the group used a Detect Magic spell and realized one of the dead guards was wearing enchanted armor, they went to investigate and OP's brother got hostile and began threatening the other players. This escalated until a zombie was attracted to the noise and the OP's brother drank a Potion of Invisibility and ditched the rest of the party to venture further into the cave. What wasn't mentioned by the OP on their brother's character is that the noble in question's daughter happened to see all of this and the resulting boss battle nearly got said noble's daughter killed (this is specifically Vesper, daughter of Percy and Vex in Tal'Dorei for those curious). The reason the OP's sibling was given the task of learning teamwork was because of the events of the first session. Another thing that happened immediately after Session 1 when all that went down was that one of the other players checked OP's Brother's character sheet and realized his stats were 18, 18, 18, 16, 16, and 15. Screenshots from the GM's private messages showed these were not the stats this person gave them prior to session 1. It wasn't until the DM's brother outright called him out and actively accused him of cheating that OP's Brother revealed he changed his stats prior to session one by re-rolling any 1's he got from the initial stats he gave the DM, then tried to claim the DM approved them. On to the topic of the Extra Attacks and Nerfing said OP's Brother's character: This never happened. Some confusion happened in one session concerning Action Surge and the Extra Attack that Fighters get between OP's Brother and the DM as the party was at level 5 and the OP's Brother, who was playing an Echo Knight Fighter, made nearly 7 attacks with Action Surge. After some back and forth, the DM allowed them to make all the attacks. On the topic of outright 'nerfing' the character in question, the DM stated they brought it up once in DMs between the two but never went through with it and simply upped some of the combat encounters instead so everyone in the party had a fair chance to get a moment of glory. On the topic of the 'Problem Player' constantly throwing abuse or it being their story or the story of their familiar: That OP left out is that this 'Familiar' was an Adranach that the Party found in Session 1 and was activated in Session 2 as part of the main plot. The DM even stated that if a member of the party hadn't activated it with magic, then one of the NPCs within the room would have activated it instead. It had been stated multiple times that finding out the secrets of this Adranach was the purpose of the campaign and was the point of the main campaign. On several occasions, including the events leading up to the dragon fight mentioned in this post, the OP's Brother dominated sessions by making choices and if the rest of the party didn't want to go along then the OP's brother forced them to. This culminated in them going against the party's decision to head to the next city after overhearing some Goliaths talking about fighting a dragon soon. Note the party was at level 5 at the time. Though the rest of the party didn't want to go, the OP's Brother forced them to by talking over everyone and goading people into agreeing by claiming they could just 'Sit in the back and let the Goliaths do the fighting while we do scratch damage'. The DM outright said they wouldn't let this happen but worked to find a different solution for the party to take on a dragon at level 5 and not die. On the topic of the Dragon breath weapon, The DM stated afterwords that they had misread the mechanic of the dragon's breath weapon and thought it worked that they rolled a D6 and that was how many Breath Attacks the Dragon got that day. After that battle, they also mentioned the event was one of 5 scripted events in the campaign total which was apparently the breaking point for OP's Brother to know that there were scripted events at all. To answer the question of the Problem Player's aggression towards others: The Problem Player never addressed anyone else as a Dumbass or other such terms except for one person: Their best friend who was playing a Wizard and this happened outside of character. When it came to plans and decision making The OP's Brother and the 'Problem Player' would sometimes argue, but in the end the party ended up doing what the OP's Brother wanted to do, as described above. In terms of aggression towards NPCs: The events in question were because said Problem Player was actively being antagonized by the NPC first and never reached the level of violence as described. The one time it did was because the Guard mentioned actively gave the party false information that nearly got the party killed. It should also be noted that the OP's Brother was also the first person to get an Enchanted Item, specifically an Enchanted Gun in the second session as a reward for saving the noble's daughter in session 1 (even if slightly bungled). Going a bit further, right before the dragon fight OP's Brother was given a homebrew Harpoon Spear that did 3D10 Damage, but at no point used it during the fight because the Problem Player was the one who bought it for him. The OP himself during that fight actively abandoned the party's Wizard, a level 5 wizard with an artifact that was depowering the dragon they were fighting so it only did half damage, to check on an NPC not involved in the fight and had not taken damage. Then actively stated the checked out of the fight because the DM actively asked them if they wanted a TPK based on their behavior of the battle (not healing their party members and focusing solely on either their brother's character or the NPCs on the field). Truth be told, most of the party wanted these two gone before the Dragon Fight even started due to OP's Brother and his behavior in prior sessions (he often talked over the other party members and badgered the DM during sessions and got them confused so they would make rulings in his favor, but would talk over and Rule's Lawyer whenever the 'Problem Player' tried asking questions about a mechanic or item. It also didn't escape anyone's notice that OP's Brother only did this with the Female Identifying people at the table (The DM, The Problem Player, and the Wizard) but did not act this way or actively challenge the Male Identifying people at the table (The DM's brother, and two other members, myself included) Afterwords the DM did share some screenshots with the party from their private messages revealing how OP's Brother was constantly badgering them in private messages during sessions, outright trying to buy them things even after the DM told them they weren't comfortable with it due to a history of abuse, and constantly begging the DM to drop the female party members in favor of friends of his. Now on to the topic of a player messaging other groups and finding the post they made quickly: It wasn't multiple groups. It was one. One player noticed that these people where trying to join another Tal'Dorei Campaign that had all the hallmarks of being a group similar to ours and reached out to the DM and gave them screenshots of what they did in our session and in that discord. No one else in the group knew this happened until OP reached out to the group's DM who happened to be at work when this all went down and hadn't been online. Most of the players at the table had the OP and their brother blocked at this point and neither had been a topic of conversation other then to make the joke of 'Hey DM' occasionally. As for why it was found pretty quickly? We all use reddit to and many of the party members follow RPGHorrorStories. Sorry if this is a bit disjointed, a lot of this happened months ago. I'm also not going to go into detail of what the OP's Brother was DMing other players including what they were messaging a trans player at the table or how they tricked the DM into catering to their sexual fetishes after the DM outright said they were not comfortable with the topic.

Kitty intro: Awwww, Luna! Story 1: That title; oh boy! This is gonna get spicy! After story: What the fuq? Restraining order time! Hey stalker a-holes! If OP wants to join me game; you ain't gonna chase them away from this DM! Story 2: Oooh, salty player. Not the a-hole player. Especially if it's an illegal build and that rolling is called cheating. Story 3: What the heck is up with that guy's attitude towards OP? Metagaming idiot. Story 4: I think I recall this story. Yeah; that guy was being an ass. Poor not-skaven player.

Off topic I just love listening to these stories while I draw. Thanks Dnd doge.

Cheater Story. I used to have a player roll a lot and after a good roll they would declare, "I made my perception what did I perceive?" To which I would slowly and ominously repeat my description of what was going on at the time that I had just given them moments ago. Sometimes I would change it up with zingers like; "That you are indeed standing in a room.", "That you are in fact talking to a merchant.", or really anything they told me the group was doing was actually what they were doing. Only took a few sessions to stop them from doing that.

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

A simple, "OK roll your perception" and simply not accepting their cheated roll will cure them fairly quickly too. My question is, why do you want to keep a cheater at your table? If they'll cheat one way, they'll cheat in another. If you don't think they're cheating anymore, they've just figured out a way to cheat that you just haven't caught them doing yet..

@davidtherwhanger6795

3 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf Considering how well their character normally did, if they were cheating then they NEEDED to cheat better as they still failed to succeed at half their rolls that were called. Even on ones they needed to succeed on. This guy was a good collaborative player and made many of the games more fun with roleplay. This was literally the only thing he cheated at. We played in a few different groups together and no one else could find any other cheating by him either. This was just something he had probably picked up from a previous group and thought that was the way you do it.

@karisasani7006

2 ай бұрын

@@davidtherwhanger6795 Im guessing this means that it was just a bit of a bad habit of his

@davidtherwhanger6795

2 ай бұрын

@@karisasani7006 A lot, yes. I always figured he picked it up from other groups he had played with. And honestly some of the greatest moments in gaming with that group came because of him.

"Meta gaming" it's what my character would do. Lol

The ratfolk thing might be referencing warhammer 40k, like Vermintide 2, because if I remember correctly they repeat some words here and there

Maybe its because im in my 30s and my whole play group is either former military or work as civilian contractors for the military. (I live in a city with 5 different military bases and installations.) But we never have conflicts like the ones in most of these stories. If we have a player that doesnt get along or mesh well, they get the boot. No drama allowed.

Cheater story: This is why I like Legend of the Five Rings (L5R) 4E. It is point-buy by default with no option to roll stats.

Luna is so beautiful already. Can't wait to see how she grows.

Screw Reddit's guidelines! Give them a taste of their own medicine i say!

@brendan192045

3 ай бұрын

Well they are still there just look for the most negative in points there I can’t believe they just outed themselves right in the comment section

@TowerArcanaCrow

3 ай бұрын

​@@brendan192045op never said they were smart lol

Another good set a stories.

For the last guy, there's really nothing wrong with being annoyed by something, and if you are, it's good to let people know. But you can't force them to stop, it's as much their right to be annoying as it is your right to be annoyed. It would annoy me too, Skaven voice, I'll be honest on that one.

The "GM" of story one definitely doesn't dederve to be called a DM because the game they were running was NOT dnd. That is NOT how dragon breath attacks work.

@Kirk9019

3 ай бұрын

A custom dragon breath that does work like this (but balanced) would actually be really cool tbh

I love all DnD Doge videos 👍

"I'm okay with them joining the game... but I never said anything about if my character's okay with it! Huehuehuehuehue!" -That Guy, probably

@shadiafifi54

3 ай бұрын

Well, it looks like nobody in the group wanted him or his character after the stunt he pulled.

@shadiafifi54

3 ай бұрын

Well, looks like nobody in the group wanted him or his character after the stunt he pulled

Story 1 sounds like Reddit should ban both the DM and problem player, but I'm sure comes down to he said she said.

oof. The first story hit close to home for me.

I'm worried that the player complaining in the Ratfolk game may actually be a Rat person in disguise! Otherwise how in the nine Hells do they know what a fantasy race sound like?

I instantly pressed like for Luna. She are precious baby (they all are, love the kitties)

Dawww Lunas so cute!

@Margen67

2 ай бұрын

Axolotls need HUGS

So I had a player get similar treatment by the dm before it boiled over to the point I told the dm to just give her an item that kills everything she wants because that’s the only way she could be useful as her stats were Awful she yelled that she’s a great player until she played a game with a different dm. Five Sessions later she Apologize to me as she struggled to play her pc class wizard.

Honestly the stalker dm and problem player need to be thrown in jail this is seriously stuff that you need to and should be thrown in jail for.

Indeed a good kiddeh.

Luna is so pretty, I'm glad she's doing better ❤

Aww kitties and good stories

So if the one player found the rat voice annoying and it made him like the game less, and he’d addressed it out of character rather than trying to pick a fight in character or whatever, I’m not totally sure how he’s the problem?

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

He's the problem because he's trying to control how the other player plays their character. "He repeatedly told the Ratfolk player to stop it" -- that's out of line. Before or after the game, or during a break he should have approached the Ratfolk player and told him that he found the voice annoying and *ASKED* him to tone it down.

@TheZMage

3 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf​​⁠​⁠this is a dialogue-free recollection of a third party talking after the fact, I don’t think that’s enough to confidently say what they did and didn’t exactly do in private

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

@@TheZMage I've based my comment on the story as presented. Is the story 100% accurate an unbiased, no. Does that matter? No. I'm commenting on the story as presented, not on what really happened because I don't know that and neither does anyone else. including the OP. Hell, the story could be a total fabrication but my points still stand if we went by your standard, no one would be able to make any comment on any story.

@TheZMage

3 ай бұрын

@@fred_derf there’s a difference between drawing a conclusion from the facts presented and trying to parse the word choice in a statement being related to you third handed

Stalker: Commenter shows up slandering OP 10 mins after they post with a comment that would've taken a couple of mins to type up, so they definitely have notifs on smh

I'm down with DTT!!!

Look at the Luna, she's got such a cute face.

Aww, Luna

yoooo is that an Endreal background?????

I have a handful of stories but I don't post them. Mostly because I am generally the problem because of my reactions.

Luna is looking good.

Luna FTW

holy shit is that a talking dog

@DnDDoge

3 ай бұрын

I am that which you see before you, nothing more.

Ratfolk are the best, Yes-Yes.

Rolled your stats without the DM watching, is cheating. Rolling your stats when the house rule is to use point buy, is cheating. Rolling before you declare what you're rolling for, is cheating. You're not the a-hole for calling out the cheater.

The skaven story probably got another side to it as warhammer players are some of the most annoying and one dimensional players around.

Story 3: "agro player, roll a new character because your character is now serving a life sentence for murder."

You said the stalkers replied to OP’s reddit post but you never show it

Give Luna a pet from me.❤

First story. After all the drama why'd your relative invite you to this game

OP 1 should threaten to call a lawyer. This definitely leans into harassment, and even if it isnt, idiots and creeps tend to skitter back to their sweaty caves once the law grts involved

Cheating is crap but honestly I also hate point buy. This idea that everything needs to be equal and "balanced." I simply wouldn't play in a game that used it, not cheat.

@TowerArcanaCrow

3 ай бұрын

I force point buy because a player being godlike or pathetic based on sheer luck is shitty to me. That inevitably leads to a player doing terribly or being OP/turning main character through no actual merit of their own. I don't get the hate for keeping players balanced. It isn't about trying to limit players, it's about making sure that they all have fair chance to play as they wish and not be fucked by one dice roll at character creation.

@Doodle1776

3 ай бұрын

@@TowerArcanaCrow because players shouldn't be "balanced" as far as I am concerned. Variations and hard choices should be a thing. Not a bland, "everyone gets the same thing" start. Like point buy or standard array does. I want variations in my players PCs. I want them to have a real mix of stats to create a party where people actually excel in one or two things but are middling or crappy in others where other players excel. As far as I am concerned "balance" PCs is a video game logic where you have to fit a perfect mold to make it from level to level. A party should be unbalanced and the PCs should not all be alike but start with an imbalance. It also forces roleplay more and working within your limitations over everyone starting off on the same footing. Overall it makes for a far more interesting game experience.

@TowerArcanaCrow

3 ай бұрын

@@Doodle1776 that imbalance leads to some players not getting a chance to shine. Rn you sound like that whiny bitch that's upset his 6 Ability Scores of 20 you totally rolled legally isn't the only character who matters.

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

@@Doodle1776, writes _"because players shouldn't be "balanced" as far as I am concerned."_ So I bet you intentionally nerf your characters just to bring some variety into the equation, right?

@fred_derf

3 ай бұрын

@@Doodle1776, writes _"Overall it makes for a far more interesting game experience."_ Overall it makes for a sucky game because some of the players don't have any fun.