Quick edit: Didn't realize I had a small graphical error at the very beginning, my bad! That's what you get for being excited to rush out a new video I guess. I went back in and blurred it, but rule number 1 is a neutral ruling!

Every rule in this seems to have a back story, each one of them. The more you look at the rules trying to figure out why they were written and less the face value of them, you will notice someone hurt the dm and HURT them bad. The rude tone is also very pointed to specific people, and some rules of the dm outright leaving shows that the DM did not want to play at all if he put a few done and dusted rules.

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Agreed 100%. I would have to assume the group this DM is playing with is comprised of friends, or maybe it’s just his only D&D group, because I can’t fathom racking up nearly 4 dozen rules and still coming back to the table. Hoping he finds a group which best fits his style of DMing.

To me this whole situation sounds like a people pleaser finally snapping and swinging so hard to the other extreme that the pendulum broke. I honestly can't imagine how this campaign could work after all this, there's just a very, very deep well of resentment here - first from the DM, but after this post, I'd imagine the players are not too pleased either.

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

I can definitely see that. You can only wonder how many sessions has this DM endured where he managed to accumulate 44 complaints. Here’s to hoping both the DM and the players find new groups which would better accommodate their playstyles.

Every line comes from a place of DEEP frustration with the players. I feel for the DM They sound infuriating

@hawkname1234

16 күн бұрын

It sounds like the DM was incompetent at maintaining the standard at his table. But this behavior is beyond unacceptable. I would never speak to this a-hole again.

Yes I would love to know more of the backstory. It sounds like he wants to do hardcore role playing in this world/story he spent a long time designing, but his “friends” want to just goof off and hang out… I can not stress this enough, neither is wrong, but they are a bad fit for each other.

@SoraPierce

24 күн бұрын

People checked out the OP and they had a lot of posts where they boasted about how much their group upset their dm. Bragging about breaking his things and making him angry, the guy eventually deleted his account cause everyone kept calling him out.

Cool video, thanks for actually for actually showing all the rules

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Of course! I want to make sure everyone else can read along and come to their own conclusions, especially since it's such a mixed bag of rulings.

So, after a bit of digging, I was able to find out a few things. TL;DR, everything here was absolutely the players fault because almost every bad player behavior listed here was intentional. This set of rules was a response from the DM to the players trying to get the DM back so they could bully him some more after their hiatus. When this post originally came out, a lot of people noticed that this sounded like a very angry, but very HURT DM. A few people were curious to see if there were any other stories like this from the OP. Turns out, OP had previously posted many times about gameplay behavior and the DM. However, it was the player bragging in other subreddits that they and their group had been bullying the DM intentionally for some time. Begging for or demanding more and more powerful magical items, smoking often, cheating, complaining, arguing, gaslighting, and the works. They continued to go out of their way to give the DM a bad time. This claim is also supported when you look at the number of rules that SPECIFICALLY mention Reddit. People started calling OP out on this, and that is why they not only deleted the post, but they deleted their account. Getting into speculation now. This looks like the DM took a hiatus/break with every intention of trying to just break up the party. However, the party was likely trying to get the DM back into playing with the group, hoping to be able to abuse them some more. So in response the DM decided he'd lay down a law for everything they'd done to wrong him as something of an ultimatum. "If we're going to be playing together, these are my terms. I'm tired of all of this. You will either fix your behavior, or I will stop playing with you and you will hate playing with me." A lot of people also mention the language and how aggressive this DM Seems to be given the profanity shown. I have a few theories on this. Firstly, is that given that this isn't the DM, but the OP who posted this, it's possible that they just punched up the language to be worse than it actually was. This is supported by the OPs previous language and posts on Reddit as well. Secondly, given some of the specific language used, we can assume that this group is either in the UK, or Austrailia. If they're in the UK, particularly on the northern side(Scotland and the like), they have quite liberal use of various swear words, so there might not even be the same amount of spite we here in Northern America might attribute to it. Often times, we in the US/Canadia make the bad assumption that UK = Polite and posh British. But don't forget, the UK includes Britain, Wales, N Ireland, and Scotland. Even further, if this was in Australia, then this would be a polite response to this group, given the lack of the use of the C Word. There's also a small chance he's military as well,(Former military myself,) and really, swear words just become interrogatives and common adjectives at that point, though prior service is much less likely. With that in mind, It's entirely possible then that this DM isn't actually as rude as we give him credit for. With all of this in mind, this was a DM that was tired of the bullshit, and likely wanted nothing to do with this group given their behavior. With everything here, the players were obviously the bad guys here, and OP at the very least knew it. It seems like the DM caught on as well and was basically saying: "Okay then. If you want me back to try and play your fuck-fuck games, I can play back." So OP Used that to try and get some extra Reddit Karma, but instead got some real and proper karma in return.

I've had to implement Rule 7, the no tap backs rule, because I had a couple of players who refused to commit to movement, and especially on Roll20, constantly hopping your piece around the board could end up causing all sorts of problems for lighting and the light. They would keep ALMOST committing to a movement with their miniature. Oh GOD it dragged out turns in a big bad way. At a certain point, it's movement, you make your choice, and that's that.

@KrazyKDice

22 күн бұрын

A completely valid reason to keep this rule in place. I rarely use roll 20 for reasons much like this; I have such difficulty keeping track of players and their tokens, not like at the table where I can watch someone reach over the table to move a piece. Not to forget the fog of war some online games have, making a move to then rescind it once you know a creature is there due to fog of war is completely unfair. Thank you for your input!

@hawkname1234

16 күн бұрын

Every table has to have that rule. That's not a weird, special rule. It's the norm.

rule 8 is good on its own until you only have 1 minute to strategize your turn, announce to everybody how and why you're doing it, and make the rolls same applies to a lot of the other rules you said were good; many of them are fine on their own but when you combine them with others it really is clearly a problem

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Don't forget to make sure you have the attention of at least two other players before you roll, otherwise it's an automatic failure! But I agree, the biggest issue with this list besides the hostility in it's wording is the fact that many parts of it just can't function with each other. Most games of D&D rely on the "three pillars" of gameplay; Combat, Exploration, and Socialization. Not expecting a mega dungeon every session like mentioned in rule 11 is completely valid if your Dungeon Master is providing entertainment in other areas. This list, however, completely obliterates the idea of exploration (Rule 12) and makes socialization a drag (Rules 10, 24, 37, etc). Of all the rules I just listed, only #37 and #12 I considered "bad" rulings. I tried to look at them, at least partially, in a vacuum, grouping ones I considered similar enough and judging them together. Maybe I was being too lenient, though! At the end of the day, you can want a low exploration, grounded fantasy experience with living, breathing characters like this dungeon master was looking for, and that sounds like it would be a great game! If I, or any other player on earth receives a list of rules as long as this though, the game would just implode on itself. Thank you so much for your input!

@359thautisticmetallegion

Ай бұрын

Yeah, some of these are acceptable on their own, but when you combine them… XP to Level 3’s reaction, from which I learned about this list, was apt.

@robinmohamedally7587

Ай бұрын

@@359thautisticmetallegion not really. While this DM went overboard into crazyland, it was obvious to anyone who read the whole thing, including the caption by the player who posted it on reddit, that the players antagonized him for a long time in to acting like this. Also, it's obvious to anyone who isn't autistic that humans behave this way when you mess with them for too long, so there's that, also

@dragonstryk7280

22 күн бұрын

Doesn't really apply to timing of turns. Declaring your action IS you taking action then rolling the results of those actions, but you have to declare actions FIRST.

The big question is whether or not this is a troll post. One would hope that this is a fake set of rules made to be provocative. And yet, it’s certainly possible that this is real… which is terrifying

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

This is definitely a big possibility. The user who posted this list (u/Khargoth) has an 11 year old reddit account with 3,000 karma accumulated. That would lead me to believe this isn't a troll post, but this was also their first post/comment in two years and 9th post total, and that makes me incredibly suspicious. All in all, I still think the list on it's own is a fantastic lesson; If you have to resort to writing such an incredibly aggressive and needlessly strict list for any reason, the fun you would have running the game has officially been outweighed by the frustrations involved, and both parties should disband the group and find new ones.

@AM-yk5yd

Ай бұрын

@@KrazyKDice Also the posts were deleted by OP. It would be a strange for a troll to do that

@sandpiperr

22 күн бұрын

It's not a troll post. But people did look into the OPs history and found other posts where he was bragging about how they mess with the DM in the game.

Thanks for going over each item and putting them on the screen!

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Of course! Thank you for watching!

I've seen a few different channels take on these rules, what I find surprising is how differently they gauge which rules are good and bad.

@KrazyKDice

27 күн бұрын

I get it! certain rules just resonate a lot with other people based on their personal experiences playing dungeons and dragons. Rule #31 for example, I personally always have snacks out at the table as we’re playing because I understand my players aren’t disgusting and won’t destroy my gear with food stuff while they play. I still think this is a good rule, though, but some players might hate it if they look forward to hanging out with their friends and sharing food together more so than the d&d game. At least there’s a few rules we pretty much all universally agree on!

Ultimately, it sounds like this person just needs a new group of players and or friends. At the same time if he has all of these rules and you join the group knowing about them, you have no one to blame but yourself if you don't like them. As harsh as they seem, at least they're being up front. I feel like if you look past the harshness of their verbage, more of the rules seem more reasonable. The spell rules are reasonable. Casters should be honest about what spells are prepared and the amount of spell slots. A DM should not have to keep track of all of that.

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

I agree, casters should be aware of their spell slots and keeping track of them. My personal grievance with it is how harsh punishment is for accidental (or intentional) misuse, and how there’s no difference between the two. Considering this specific DM also has difficulties managing the spell guidance, I would be surprised if his players are higher than level 5. At that tier of play, spell lists are minimal enough where a DM could reasonably track his party’s spell usage, and while that may not be right, it is necessary if he doesn’t trust them as much as he says. One greedy sorcerer trying to squeeze an extra Agnazzar’s Scorcher into a fight could completely cripple the rest of the party by essentially making that player dead weight. Ideally, a player who cheats should have a stern talking to, and if he continues to cheat, gets kicked. In this DMs case, kicking his entire party is a very viable (and in my opinion much overdue) action

This was very good for a first video, I can't wait to see what else you create. As for the rules, yeah this is just a toxic situation all around, I think everyone would benefit finding a new dm/group to play with.

Great breakdown and commentary on this. I like that you could pull nuggets of truth from a very inflammatory post. Subscribed and looking forward to more D&D content from you, you seem like a really grounded person.

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m looking forward to getting more stuff posted soon!

Wow you're so underrated! I like your energy and I agree with everything you have to say about these rules

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Thank you!!! I’m really enjoying making youtube videos, and i’m looking to share my opinions on more stuff!

Rule 18 scenario be like: “Sorry Goliath Barbarian who rolled a NAT 20 intimidation roll but you no longer scare me. The Gnome Artificer rolled a 10 on her intimidation before you could try”

@LoneWolf-rc4go

20 күн бұрын

One would really have to ask why the Gnome artificer went first. The players should have a grasp of who is good at what and work together when it comes to skill checks. If the Gnome had a reason to be the one snarling threats then the Barbarian should of been there giving an assist to the roll. I tend to have single, repeatable and group challenges when I run D&D and I'll make it clear to the party what it is before they roll. When it comes to the single challenge they have one roll and one roll only to succeed. A repeatable challenge is one that they can try with multiple characters but the DC increases with each failure (if it makes narrative sense). If they are trying to pick a lock, for instance, it gets harder as the mechanism is increasingly damaged. If they're tyring to break down a door the check gets easier but I'll start throwing in potential punishments like people hearing the commotion. Group challenges are where everybody rolls and we count the successes vs the failures. If more successes than fails then everybody succeeds.

A decent video and i think some of your takes are quite interesting 🤔. Overall an enjoyable watch

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I enjoyed working on this style of content. I'll be keeping an eye out for more terrible rulings in the future!

@souleater875

Ай бұрын

@@KrazyKDice I think overall your style is pretty smooth. Not bad to listen to and watch.

Devil's Advocate on Rules 3 and 4: A certain amount of questioning a ruling is FINE. It happens, but there is a line, and as we see the greater scope of the rules, this all addressing negative/toxic behaviors going on at the table. For three, constantly getting your rulings called out is going to exasperate ANY DM, which is what happened here. So on 4, the toxic behavior would be players constantly pushing the DM for greater loot drops, which, if you're trying to get them to stop, saying, "I'll take it away as often as you ask" puts it in pretty simple terms: Loot begging is zero sum, at best. If the players are constantly OOC begging, then yeah, there has to be an OOC response.

Everybody is complaining about his "Tone" but are totally oblivious that rules like these are made in response to rude and noncommittal players. If you are complaining about the rules, then you are the player that these rules are for.

Like some of these rules are reasonable but the totally insane ones makes me question the reasonable ones. Like if this isn't just a rage bait post sounds like this guy needs to find a new players and better friends. Edit: love the 'bold and brash' painting.

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. Either the players have overstayed their welcome, or the DM has. A few other commenters have pointed out, this reads exactly like a dungeon master who has grown tired of his players antics, and is no longer playing nice. Unfortunately, not playing nice also means not having fun. And thank you! i’ve had it up for nearly 10 years at this point haha

Nah. This is not a 50/50 thing. This DM is not just a bad DM, he's a bad person. And, almost certainly, is a literal child. Nobody should ever play with someone who would send something like this out to players. In fact, I would never speak to such a person again. That is NOT someone you want in your life in ANY way.

@hawkname1234

16 күн бұрын

And BTW - the DM being a bad person does not in any way mean that the players are also bad people. In fact, I assume that to be the case here. Don't play with bad people!

@KrazyKDice

16 күн бұрын

I 100% agree. For some context behind these rulings, it was later discovered that this DM was making these rules as absurd, aggressive, and oppressive as possible in an attempt to dissuade his group from wanting him to run a game again because, for whatever reason, his players were purposely making the game tedious, annoying, and mentally taxing for him to run as a Dungeon Master. This post was him returning after a long Hiatus due to said behavior. It’s such a clear cut case of “you guys aren’t compatible, just end the group and stop talking” but the rules list was posted to twitter, where it devolved into some argument about dungeon masters being too soft on their players. Hence the buzz around it, and this video. If I played in a D&D group and the dungeon master whips out a LIST of custom rules, i’d be very skeptical. If it was THIS list, i’d get to around rule 3 before i tap out.

Sounds like the group the dm was with were awful. Especially with the breaking of his stuff and not paying attention wgat with the drug breaks and whatnot.

Honestly, the bad outweighs the good here with how ludicrous it is. Especially since while I mostly agree with you, there are some discrepancies. First of all, I think all of the neutral rulings about what the players think are a lot more bad. Forbidding players from giving constructive criticism doesn’t sound healthy. Second of all, I think some of the good ones, particularly rule 24 about no random encounters, are more neutral than good. Personally, my open-world style of DMing uses random encounters pretty heavily and it works pretty well. However, while I’m overall harder on these rules than you are, there’s just one rule you marked as bad that with all due respect I think could almost be argued as neutral - near the beginning, rule 4 about taking away items would actually be passable in some context if rule 3 didn’t exist. Hear me out - I have a very strange style of DMing which revolves around open-world exploration and free choice on the part of the players, hence my reliance on random encounters. One of my rules is that, since I personally hate unwanted character death in roleplay, I feel it’s fair that I don’t force death saves on others. In return, I give sometimes very difficult fights, and if the characters suffer what would otherwise be a TPK, they will at worst just be captured. Naturally, being captured by various factions is usually going to result in some lost equipment, even if some or all of it can potentially be returned upon an escape. My rulings on the matter are based heavily on compassion for my players and consideration of what they want, but I think it’s understandable that if you get thrown in jail you’re not going to just casually have your weapons with you. In any case, very promising start to your channel, and as stated before I personally do agree on most things.

@robinmohamedally7587

Ай бұрын

it's definitely unhealthy, if they're doing the constructive criticism during the game and undermining him. They should be less teenage narcissists and more adults, and tell him their criticisms after the game is over, and not undermine him during the game. Like, anyone with a triple digit IQ could figure that out

@KrazyKDice

Ай бұрын

@359thautisticmetallegion Hey! Thanks so much for your input. I love hearing how other dungeon masters are running their tables, as it really shows how open and varied Dungeons and Dragons as a whole is. It's awesome to see! Constructive criticism for your DM is a necessity. At the end of a session at my table, I always inquire about what the players enjoyed, and I'm always on the look out for their opinions on how to make the game a more enjoyable experience. In the case of this dungeon master, however, It reads less like constructive criticism and more like "This Dungeon Master on reddit ruled it like X, can we do that instead of Y?". I've had players go to reddit and window shop for new rulings or magic items to implement into our games before, and after some time it can get quite rude. I don't believe this dungeon master is 100% against receiving any sort of criticism, and this is also why I left rule #27 as neutral, as I'm sure he'd rather hear it from the player instead of a proxy. I also agree with you that taking player items away is not a bad ruling. It can work great for plot progression and shows them that there can be real consequences to their mistakes, even if only temporarily. However, since the rule itself mentions that rule 3 also applies in this scenario, I couldn't in good faith list it as a neutral rule. A player venting their frustration by saying a roll or a ruling is unfair is not cause for you to end the session while also potentially stranding said player at their meeting place. How each person DMs is their own! We're all a little strange. A game heavily based on exploration in a sandbox where total party death isn't an ever-looming presence sounds like a breath of fresh air, especially for someone who may have just finished a game like Tomb of Annihilation, or Curse of Strahd's Death House (That's me. I thought I was gonna have a stroke by the end of it). Like you said, your rulings are based heavily on the compassion for your players and their considerations, the exact opposite of this list, so it makes complete sense that you would be much harsher when judging it. While my "official verdict" is 19/6/19, each rule does not have the same value. As soon as I got to rule 3, I would have already been saying my goodbyes. That attitude is not a welcome one at the table, and I wouldn't expect anyone to sit there and take that. Thanks so much for sharing how you run games at your table!

@359thautisticmetallegion

Ай бұрын

@@KrazyKDice No problem! And yeah, the specific reference to rule 3… it very much ruins it indeed. Rule 3 was just bizarre. Your channel has a lot of potential, and right from the first video it felt professional. I can see it taking off.