First story: I have used the monster girl encyclopedia before. It is fine, the DM pushed the transformation on the character and removes agency. That is where he effed up

@AmaryInkawult

2 ай бұрын

Best monster girl art ever

@AmaryInkawult

2 ай бұрын

Except for the Alice monster... My rage against kids takes over when that bitch is on the page.

@briyte7235

Ай бұрын

I love monster girl encyclopedia, why did he have to do that!

That wizard of Oz one is ridiculous. The book was written 124 years ago, the most recent movie/TV shows have come out within the last 10 years. Knowledge of the Wizard of Oz is not going anywhere in the next 20 years

@WTFisTingispingis

2 ай бұрын

God forbid someone use some fucking initiative, right?

@bluesandman7566

2 ай бұрын

The worst part imo is the journalist offered to go to a *library* to learn about this "motif that only this gang knows about", I mean, even if there is no Wizard of Oz book on the library because the book became rare due to no reprints there should be one librarian that goes "Tinman? Scarecrow? Oh yeah there are characters like this in a classic book". Oh, and on a different note, the GM lost a chance of making the evil gang look like flying monkeys.

@clarehidalgo

2 ай бұрын

@@bluesandman7566 Yeah, the book would still be available online in the Library of Congress given that it is in the Public Domain

@GarkKahn

2 ай бұрын

There are even pop culture references we may not instantly relate with the wizard of oz like flying monkeys or we're not in kansas

The main issue isn't the Monster Girl Encyclopedia, it's the DM taking all the agency away. This should have been discussed in a session zero or at least brought up when it was not being fun for OP. I do agree the way to fix this is communication and yes, if the DM is the standup guy OP says he is, he'll retcon most if not all of it. Changing a person's character should be their choice. Not the DM's and not another player's. It is THEIR character.

@AmaryInkawult

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, its fucked up to remove agency like that. I don't care about what kinky book YOU wanna write, just don't use me as a captive audience or a theatre troupe to order around.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

There are way too many red flags, I'm just skeptical of this DM. Removing agency tenporarily WITHIN REASON (as in effects like confusion or some other spells in combat) can work, but this takes things to a whole new level. Repeatedly stripping the player of agency, forcing them to redefine the character's entire identity, introducing multiple non-consensual s encounters, and even an unwanted pregnancy. This sounds way too much like other creep GM stories, I really can't see how this guy is any different.

@Trikotomy

2 ай бұрын

@@rb98769 Honest to God, the fact that OP leaps so adamantly to his defense is EVEN MORE suspicious to me. 1000% textbook manipulation-victim-defending-their-abuser vibes. I do not buy that he doesn't know what he's doing- I DO buy that he has very deliberately convinced OP of that. Right now he's testing what he can get away with- this WILL happen again and he will up the ante. Run.

@kyriss12

2 ай бұрын

Also there’s a big differences between growing up in a sex positive household, and being an absolute degenerate. Then again whenever I hear reference to sex positive household it’s usually in reference to clothing optional, mom occasionally has her boyfriends around in the morning, and dad leaves his bondage gear laying around the house.

The wizard if oz is almost 100 yrs in reality and we still have tons of references to it.

@starofjustice1

2 ай бұрын

No, it's forgotten. The GM says so. Despite gang members dressing up like the characters.

@MatrixRefugee

2 ай бұрын

@@starofjustice1 Yeah, just heard this story over on Two Kobolds in a Trench Coat, and someone in the comment section there said the GM pretty much opened up a huge plot hole by saying this.

@greeninja5991

2 ай бұрын

Heck the book is already like 124 and it's pretty new by literary standards,

@kaylawoodbury2308

2 ай бұрын

And then you still have the added point that there's a lot of things over 100 years old that people still know about. Artists, composures, plays, literature, etc. Why would a movie as famous as the first colored film not be remembered in the same way?

@nekoali2

2 ай бұрын

@@starofjustice1Exactly. If the gang has the knowlege and resources, then the players should as well. Even if they couldn't find information because of a bad search, they could observe what the gang looks like and replicate that, or do the old 'knock out the guards and take their uniform' trick. Even being in disguise isn't a free pass anyway. They would have to bluff their way past the gang which could lead to a lot of tense and fun situations. And a fight was still likely to break out. But the GM just wasn't flexible at all.

I’m thinking OP in first story doesn’t know their friend as well as they think. Even if from sex positive house he should know consent is key, if anything that makes this less forgivable since he knows better

“You forgot the 3 Ds your honor. Dungeons and Dragons…and Drugs.”

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

There's actually six. Dungeons, Diners, Drive-Ins, Drugs, Dragons and Dives.

Story 1.... Wild speculation.. this was intended as a lowkey advertisement for the Monster Girl book... It's a "complaint" giving game details and mechanics meant to appeal to certain types of players and DMs. That's why the response by the OP is so defensive and full-throated excuses for the DM. They didn't think the accusations and critiscms would go so hard and get personal.

@EnraiChannel

2 ай бұрын

I don't think MGE needs any advertisement among anime fans. Kind of weird story overall though.

OMG, first story. Turning a character into a rapist isn't sex positive.

@KalinTheZola

2 ай бұрын

100% it's fine to have kinks and that can be done in a sex positive way. Pushing it on people without their consent isn't it though.

@TheMightyBattleSquid

2 ай бұрын

Literally what I was going to say, that's the opposite of sex positive 😂

@kyriss12

2 ай бұрын

And even if it according to the setting, you don’t just ask someone to play a game of FATAL without informing them exactly what that entails.

@marybdrake1472

2 ай бұрын

Not so much, no. That DM is clearly is a boundary pushing fetishist like the others we've heard about on channels like this one.

15:10 is ironic considering there's literally a skill called LIBRARY SEARCH in Cyberpunk.

Magus is on my shit list. Burying the dead isn't pointless, its ensuring they are sleeping peacefully in their graves and upkeeping their monuments ensuring they are never forgotten.

@kyriss12

2 ай бұрын

Especially important in a fantasy environment where the dead don’t always stay that way. A sneaky dm could possibly use that as a teaching moment.

@masterjoda999

Ай бұрын

I forgot Pathfinder had a Magus class so when I read this comment before reaching that story I thought you meant Magus from Chrono Trigger

Ай бұрын

​@@kyriss12, agreed! But even in the really real world, where the dead _don't_ come back, it's important to bury the dead because they will rot and decompose and that is not very healthy for the living to be around... that is why we find the smell of it disgusting (which anyone who's ever smelled a few days old corpse can attest to).

The first story's OP is tragically too lenient on their DM's behavior. He doesn't have to be a sex offender to be selfish and inconsiderate of another person choices. A sex positive household has nothing to do with being short sighted and deliberately putting someone through fetish stuff. Because not only did the DM pick a super specific monster type for the character that was intended to be a virgin. But he also made sure a scenario to initiate the fetish content immediately happened. At his most benign the DM is a jerk. But it's too generous to say they're not doing fetish stuff while specifically using fetish content source material 😂. Like saying you're only watching a whole porno for its acting and nothing else MHM. DnD Doge is on the right path with saying the DM can prove he is as standup a guy as he is built-up to be by in fact hearing the OP out if addressed, retconing and being more conscious of pushing people into sexual encounters on a whim.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

OP is a new player and is hooked into the game, so I can kind of understand why they just want things to go back to how they were before and pretend nothing happened. But it really feels like the DM just singled out OP to be his target, and he seems to be the sort of DM to say that it's the game's fault and it's all beyond his control. Which is obviously bullshit, but also something that is easy for new players to buy. So yeah, OP needs to put that supposed good will of the DM to the test and talk it out. If OP really has that much conviction that the DM isn't a complete asshole, they shouldn't be afraid of talking this out.

Cyberpunk of Oz: Oh fish, nobody tell that GM about The Odyssey. I know it's been lost to time, but I'm sure SOMEONE can tell him about ancient texts.

First story: The MGE is an okay read, i would recommend it, if anyone is interested. But yeah DM should have communicated this more as, the Encyclopedia basically spells out everything a player would need to know about that kind of thing. Not to mention her player agency being taken way when a male NPC is in the room with them. At least let them roll to resist it or something. Also I've read the Automaton just to make sure, and no where does it say it can change people into into monster girls. So that one thing he got wrong.🤓

I was considering to use parts of the Monster girl Ecyclopedia as a joke (someone accidentally transforms monsters into monster girls and the plot is to transform them back) but damn Id never have considered the weird as horny magic because why would you even; This kind of thing just kills player agency and thats one of the biggest nono's in DnD

@stevenschnepp576

2 ай бұрын

"On the one hand, the dragons are a lot friendlier now... but on the other hand, the dragons are *a lot* friendlier now."

@PixelHeroViish

2 ай бұрын

That actually sounds like a fun campaign to play, like a dragon girl trying to perch on a chair or the like only to fall over or whatnot

@nvfury13

Ай бұрын

You can make the same argument against all Enchantment spells. The way any "horny magic" should be handled is letting them know the character has increased desire, the magic described here crosses the line for m "horny magic" to "mind control".

The Monster Girl Encyclopedia is fetish content. If the DM wants to run that type of game, they should have said so in session 0, not spring it on players a year into a campaign. Changing a character permanently against their will and taking away their agency is always a no no. Same with suddenly making the game a fetish game.

Story 1: Couldn't the genie sorcerer have wished the transformation away? But either way, yeah. It's all the DM's fault.

@Wraithspartan

2 ай бұрын

If I had to guess, Sorcerer probably thought OP was cool with the transformation, since OP said nothing against it.

First story: Omg if you don't want it, say something. Why is no one saying something to each other?

@ArcCaravan

2 ай бұрын

In this case, OP doesn't want to be a killjoy when most of the trusted table aren't bothered by these hijinks. Though in this case it is stupid because OP felt like the comments were wrong for not trusting the DM whose only known detail is turning player characters into fetish tools.

@yaldabaoth2

2 ай бұрын

@@ArcCaravan If OP can't speak up at his trusted table, OP doesn't trust the table.

@ArcCaravan

2 ай бұрын

@@yaldabaoth2 It would absolutely help OP's defense if they got that discussion to fix problems with character alterations before claiming people are too judgemental of DM.

@rb98769

2 ай бұрын

​​@@ArcCaravanYeah. OP needs to take a stand and either tell the DM to stop or leave the game, it doesn't seem like anyone else is going to do this for them. I assume most players are new and very hooked into the game, but this often devolves into a very negative cycle in which the DM can get away with anything. Like Doge said, there are way too many flags here to ignore, the DM is very clearly in the wrong.

Bullied for Church Story. This Jane sounds like a Holier than Thou type. And yes you can be one while not actually believing in any religion.

@Zetact_

2 ай бұрын

It sounds like Jane's a staunch atheist and while they don't like it to be pointed out but atheism is a religion. The only true method of "lacking religion" is agnosticism.

@bestaround3323

2 ай бұрын

You don't need to be religious to be a nut job or an asshole.

@Keiji555

2 ай бұрын

Just remember not to use the word "faith" around her. She might become a gorgon, brandishing the book "God Delusion", preaching quotes from the book to exorcise the "ignorant superstitious" against those who use the word, ignoring completely that there are various meanings to the word.

When the DM in the Cyberpunk game asked "what do you do?" the correct response is "play a game with a better DM"

"Monster Girl what?" Broke me. And about pushing the Musume Magic on the players, it could rub people the wrong way.

Awww! Lookit Lucky as a widdle baby! (It's also funny that Simba's tail is keeping perfect rhythm with Hyrule Castle Courtyard)

Robot thing: *nom* FnaF fans: WaS tHaT tHe BiTe Of 87?!

@greeninja5991

2 ай бұрын

More like the bite of 69, Ill see myself out

16:08 "You start to pick the locks, but you realize it's extremely unlikely that they will have costumes that fit a 105-year-old movie..." "But how would we know they wouldn't have costumes for that movie, if we don't even know what the movie is?" "Um, uh... shut up."

@simonO712

2 ай бұрын

Huh, good point

I'm a conniesuier of the source material, but you can't thrust fetishes on people out of nowhere

To the OP in the third story, it's time to sit down and tell the DM you'll wait for them to tell you what to do when his train gets to its next station.

Story 1 : seeing the way OP talked about the DM, IMI the issue is just of lack communication and of agency taken away, not that the DM is a creep. You can be pervy without being a creep, as long as you respect people's consent in every form. So telling him "Hey, don't like that aspect of the game and how you turned my character into", should be fine.

@KalinTheZola

2 ай бұрын

Idk, forcing a character to jump men and sa them is pretty creepy

Tiny Lucky was so cute!

@stevenschnepp576

2 ай бұрын

And the grown cat playing with the little gremlin with his tail!

This first story is ridiculous. They give a story that paints the DM in a bad light, then come back later with edits of "Oh he's not a bad guy!" Sounds like a beaten down spouse.

Cyberpunk of Oz Story. Anyone else hearing Ozzy Osbourne yelling "All Aboard!" then laughing? Because this is the Crazy Train. The party was coming up with all kinds of logical, reasonable plans; and repeatedly told NO! This is what happens when as a DM you cannot or will not consider any other possibilities to your scenarios or encounters. You as a DM can not make the point of an encounter be having that encounter. Like this one the DM set up the encounter as a combat encounter. With combat as the goal. When the encounter should be set up for the party to gain some knowledge, item, or contact// meeting/ person. You should not care how the Party gets what they are supposed to be after. You should care that the Party either gets it or what you do if they fail to get it for what ever reason.

@nekoali2

2 ай бұрын

I've played with a number of GMs who were very unhappy about deviating from the planned story route before, but this takes the cake. As someone who has run a lot of Cyberpunk/Shadowrun games I'm delighted when the players are this invested and creative during the sessions. But then most of the time I plan for those games, I set up the situation of the run, then let the players run wild with their planning because that's some of the most fun parts of those games. Leave the dungeon crawling experience to other games.

The Monster Girl "disease" was too much. Transformed into a dryad? Okay, may be interesting and If the player doesn't like it, make a mini-sideplot to get it reversed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jane was the same woman from another RPG horror story about an atheist who picked on the OP then cried wolf to another group

@greeninja5991

2 ай бұрын

What was that story?

@alphons1456o

2 ай бұрын

@@greeninja5991 Long story short: the OP joined a game, and one of the players asked if he was religious. He said he was a christian, and after that, the other person began making comments about how he couldn't play a character that was a paladin of anyone other than his IRL god, or saying all religious people were too dumb to question the superiors in their religion. She got kicked, then went to say in another group that he was the problem and turned the game into a christian conversion simulator.

@kaylawoodbury2308

2 ай бұрын

As an atheist this crap annoys me too. I have a very simple motto of "if you don't push me or cause harm I won't push you". Most atheists do but these few loud mouths with superiority complexes keep making us look bad. My best friend is a church going Christian but she also goes to a progressive church and is an ally. We are able to talk about religion, politics, sexuality, etc in an open and respectful manner that never leaves bad blood or hurt feelings. I am Auntie Kayla to her child and second on the list to take him in if something happens to her and her husband, after her sister. Yeah I hate the Christians who use religion as an excuse to spread bigotry, that tell children dressed up for Halloween that they'll burn in hell, that try to impose their views into politics but not all Christians are like that and to treat them as such is no different than any other cruel generation of a group, including atheism.

@Keiji555

2 ай бұрын

@@alphons1456o Sounds like a fundamentalist atheist. Those kinds of Atheists actually talk, walk and think like it's some kind of religion, with Richard Dawkins as their pope. Just the way they act and talk, and quote a book to defend their faith-based system, (And I don't just mean in the divine sense. I mean their belief and faith in Dawkins-style science.) sounds like the most fundy of Christians.

Ай бұрын

​@@alphons1456o, yikes. By that logic, an atheist wouldn't be able to roleplay a paladin at all since, apparently, one can't roleplay a character with any faith other than the player has. I'm an atheist myself but some people just use atheism as an excuse to be an a-hole, giving the rest of us a bad name.

Tiny little creature that cat is. Adorable

First story: The book was created by Blaine simple it was a kickstarter. I don’t have it but most of the stuff I don’t think the stuff the dm did is in the book. Edit was not the blain simple’s book it was made by kenkou Cross

@AtelierGod

2 ай бұрын

No the monster girl encyclopedia was made by Kenkou Cross over a decade ago, it was never intended to be a D&D supplement, more of a log book story that speaks of a world that can then be written into. The problem with the DM is that it wasn’t altered to fit the table and they never discussed what boundaries shouldn’t be crossed.

@kiilgore806

2 ай бұрын

While Blaine Simple did do a monster girls in dnd supplement thing, the Monster Girl encyclopedia is not a dnd supplement itself. It's mainly a character/setting thing. Things are... hit or miss with it. While there are some Monster Girls that are potentially interesting... there are others that are just '... police?'

i thought the monster girl encyclopedia was harmless and cute right up until this story.

@stevenschnepp576

2 ай бұрын

Oh. Oh, no. God, no, it's a very grimdark setting if you're reading it while not horny.

@RustyhairedAlp9575

2 ай бұрын

It's a DM issue

_Monster Girl Encyclopedia_ is a specific dirty book inspired by various monster girl manga/anime series. While referencing that alone is _tolerable_ up to a point: forcing his breeding kink on her at the expense of character agency is _a great big no-no._ And, going by her updates: it looks like she ultimately came to the same conclusion and decided to blow off the game and the DM. I'm glad you've found a church that's good for you. As for _The Wizard of Oz_ somehow completely disappearing from the public consciousness? Oh, please; the iconic MGM musical is based on a book that was already forty years old by the time it was made, and is still inspiring books, new films, shows, and even tabletop games. To paraphrase Morrow: the way that gamemaster was railroading, he should consider a career as a train engineer. And, in closing? Baby Lucky was such a cute little pamferlet.

@easiestcc6451

2 ай бұрын

The monster girl encylopedia is actually based on a game called Monster Girl Quest.

@aquaticcatfey

2 ай бұрын

@@easiestcc6451 That's not what the blurb for it says. Mind you: the first MGQ game pre-dates a lot of the anime/manga; still, summaries for the book (including the one from the publisher) name-drop the mangas but not the games.

First story: wtfh with the dm and artificer. Third stiry: this dm is an a**hat.

@ArcCaravan

2 ай бұрын

More the DM since it didn't sound like Artificer purposefully had OP get infected, just joining the table members who didn't object to these developments.

In the cyberpunk game the moment the GM said "Here's how this is going to work" it would have been best to just pack up your stuff and leave. They had already forced PC actions by that point as well as horribly railroaded the group so that would be the final straw for me.

As a major fan of the Magus class in PF2E I am insulted that the toxic munchkin of Story 4 is getting stuck with that as their nickname.

The DM should have absolutely talked with their players beforehand. What they consider to be 'ok' might not be for others. Especially when running a D&D session with adult themes and implications, you always make sure beforehand everyone is aware and is ok, or expresses their request for no descriptive stuff. A session 0 could have prevented this, but a bit of forethought into what's acceptable and what's not would have done wonders. Safest assumption is to run stuff with at best 'PG12 rating' sort of limitations, and anything beyond must be asked before the game session.

seriously I'da left that first game. I had a dm that loved pushing me out of my comfort zones. I didn't have the mantra "no d&d is better than bad d&d" yet.

As a person who owns the Monster Girl Encyclopedia (both volumes 1 & 2) I understand the source material as well as why he did this. The issue is the sexual content in the Encyclopedia that should be separated from the character design and description if they are to be used in D&D. While reading the books I have thought of several ways to add monster girls into a D&D but to complete take out any mention of the sexual contained in said Encyclopedia. So with all this said I would suggest talk to the DM about removing the sexual part from the source material for the campaign and in the future discuss in a session zero. Easy fix.

I’ve run a cyberpunk game and even soft research indicates that 100+ year old media is definitely still known. There’s a guy in RED that looks exactly like Bela Lugosi, the original Dracula actor, and his gang, the Philharmonic Vampyres, perform old movies as plays and are super theater nerds. Hell, there’s an entire gang of JFK lookalikes.

I love dnd doge because he’s so chill to listen to in the background, but he’s so bad at comedic timing, that it circles around to being funny again

It's kinda a cliche but the Wizard of Oz is already a cyberpunk setting. Well, you'd need to update the aesthetics.

@rebeccacarr5154

Ай бұрын

I never thought of that, but you're absolutely right. I bet that was pretty cyberpunk for a century ago. It gives me a very different mental image of the tin man, though... He'd actually make a good warforged character!

I just discovered you this evening and this is the fourth Video I am watching :3 It is soo calming

First story: Gross! I’m not here to kinkshame, but forcing kinks on someone else without their consent is not okay! It’s also not okay for the DM to take complete control of a PC unless the player is leaving the game or switching characters so their former character becomes an NPC. In D&D, each player controls their character, and the DM controls the world and the NPCs. Anyone who can’t resist trying to take control of someone else’s part of the game might want to consider the possibility that D&D is not for them and they might prefer writing stories instead. Not to mention, sex positivity isn’t about forcing kinky roleplay on people without even asking first. It’s about treating sex and sexuality as a part of life and not something to be ashamed of. There’s a middle ground between being ashamed of your sexuality and insisting on making unwilling people participate in it! Real sex positivity encourages talking about what you’re into and getting consent before you get into it. Also, why the heck is OP insisting that this DM is such a sweet guy who would never force sexual things on his players without their consent when THAT’S LITERALLY EXACTLY WHAT HE DID? OP clearly said their character had never had sex and never wanted to, and the DM forced the character to have sex without asking. Why is OP so upset that people are accusing the DM of what they just told us he did? Second story: Wow, Jane was a total jerk. Yes, these problems are a serious issue, but a) not every church is like the ones you see on the news, b) every organized religion has problems to some degree, and c) making fun of someone for observing their religion is not okay, period. My D&D group has a mix of religions, and we all work to respect and accommodate each other. If a session has to be postponed because of someone’s religious obligations, so be it. Third story: Clearly “The Wizard of Oz” hasn’t been forgotten about since the gang knows about it, not to mention that loads of things that are well over 100 years old are still well-known today, and something as iconic as “The Wizard of Oz” definitely isn’t going away anytime soon. The GM needs to knock it off with the railroading and accept that the players can have clever ideas. Plus, disguising yourself as the enemy is one of the oldest tricks in the proverbial book. Every RPG group is going to want to try it at some point, and any GM who reacts to that with “you can’t because I said so” isn’t doing their job very well. Fourth story: OP, patience is a virtue, but there’s such a thing as being too patient! I would have shut this player down as soon as they tried to start shit in session zero, telling them that the rule was no PVP, and that the PCs don’t always have to get along perfectly, but they do have to work as a team and not attack or steal from each other, and that if their character concept would attack or steal from another PC, it doesn’t fit with this campaign and they need to modify it or come up with a new concept. If they managed to get into the campaign and pull the “my character wouldn’t go with the party” nonsense, I would tell them “Okay, the party goes on the adventure and leaves your character behind. Go roll up a new character who would join the party,” and kick them out of the session. They’d get one more chance to make a more cooperative character, but any more shenanigans would get them permanently banned from the game. I’m glad you eventually got around to kicking them, though.

First Story: Oh, boy... I'm well aware of the Monster Girl Encyclopedia. I only checked it out because it introduced me to different kinds of monsters I wasn't aware of and found the monsters it introduced me to interesting (in a non-sexy way), but I try my best to ignore the porn it includes. Once I find a monster it introduces me to, I look up other sources about the monster as I know the information in the Monster Girl Encyclopedia is not very reliable about the actual monsters and just sexualizes them. I definitely would have issues of someone using the Monster Girl Encyclopedia in a D&D game to the degree the DM used it. If the DM refused to not pull back on the sexual content, then I'm outie. Screw that mess. Second Story: While I am not religious myself, I did grow up attending church and even went to Sunday School when I was little. I didn't have a choice back then and frequently attended church growing up, but eventually managed to stop attending. I pretty much only attend church anymore for special occasions like Christmas, Easter, weddings, or baptisms due to family obligations. I respect the religion, but I myself will not force myself to convert back to the religion. If someone has a routine of attending church just to spend time with family, that shouldn't be an issue. If Jane has an issue with OP for attending church just to spend quality time with family while not being religious themselves, then that's their problem. Those kinds of jokes are NOT okay. I may not be religious, but I still respect their beliefs and don't think it's right to mock them for it. There are genuinely good things about religions. So long as everyone is respectful, regardless of their beliefs and don't try to force anything on anyone, it shouldn't be an issue. Everyone should have spoken up against Jane for being such a jerk. It's seriously not okay. In my opinion, someone should have spoken to Jane about their "jokes" and explained how poor taste they were in. If Jane didn't listen and continued the harassment, Jane should have been the one booted for the game rather than the OP feeling like they had to leave. Honestly, Jane could get arrested for religious harassment against the OP. This stuff is serious, regardless of what side of religious beliefs you may be on. Third Story: That DM really had no idea what he was doing. I know that characters controlled by the DM can have special "NPC powers" that aren't available to the players, but not allowing the players to try to find outfits similar to the ones worn by 20 NPCs is just ridiculous. If 20 gangsters could get their hands on such outfits, then surely the players could, too. Heck, even if they couldn't find the costumes anywhere, nothing would be stopping them from trying to MAKE the costumes themselves. Even if they had no skills in sewing and stuff, trying to make themselves look like scarecrows or tinmen shouldn't be that difficult. It's even part of the game that such extreme surgery is affordable and easily done in such a short time. This DM just wanted a fight and wouldn't let the players actually play the game. Honestly, if I were in that situation, once the DM forces the players to prepare for the fight by teleporting them to the gang and asks the players what they want to do, I'd tell the DM that he can fight himself because I'm outie. I like choices in my games and prefer to not constantly engage in combat. I play for the RP, not the combat. Forth Story: No one wants to play with those players. Period. I don't know what else to say other than "How did this butthead last even one session without getting booted?".

@stevenschnepp576

2 ай бұрын

Dude, it's okay to be into monster girls. You don't need to make excuses for being familiar with the source material.

@Midnight3Wonder

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenschnepp576 I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with it. It's just really not a me thing personally. I'm ace, so I would not be happy playing a game like that. That's all I'm saying.

The DM might not be a creep in the first story, but the MGE is full of non-consensual snuggles. It's half of it, honestly. The entire point is the monster girls need male essence, and they will get it no matter what. The "good" monsters lure men through various means, while the evil ones simply take them by force. There's a lot of slavery involved. And yes, women are nonconsensually converted. This isn't sex positivity, where characters are open and casual with sex. It's a Dom fetish dressed up with cute anime girls, with a lot of "forced snuggles."

@damienhailey118

2 ай бұрын

No, the DM is a freaking creep. Even as fetishy as MGE is, the DM is an asshole AND a creep. Even in MGE, only near-mindless monstergirls blindly jump men on sight. The author himself is very clear that the Monstergirls still have choice and agency. It's twisted by the general nature of the Demon Lord, yes, but only Slimes go around jumping every male they come across.

@bestaround3323

2 ай бұрын

Still a story that requires all the players to consent and also needs to have X cards at the ready. I would rather not have H scenes in my D&D,especially forced ones at that.

@celvinardenwu5382

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it just comes down to consent tbh. Like we all know monster girl encyclopaedia is first and foremost a hentai genre, but if your group are alright and consent to that then it's ok to add it, heck you can technically add the monster girl as npc but don't do the H stuff and you will be fine imo

@arellajardin8188

2 ай бұрын

@celvinardenwu5382 True. I was merely trying to inform readers of what MGE is about since it's not that well known. It might also be that the OP doesn't fully know what the source material is about, since they were taken aback by the direction the DM was taking with it. Not all hentai is about "struggle snuggle" and sex slavery. But MGE absolutely is. The DM could just use the designs and some of the flavor of MGE, and leave out the non-consent stuff, but it sounds like he wants that part, too. I hope the OP can talk to the DM, but being a Dom fetish, he might not care about the difference between player and character consent. It might be relevant that MGE's attitude is that "struggle snuggle," doesn't really count against men. So the DM having the player's character jump someone uncontrollably might speak to his attitude towards it, as well. MGE also treats virginity as more fetish fuel, something that is replaced with ravenous lust, or used as a tool to encourage men to "struggle snuggle" the girls. Again, this might be a miscommunication on the type of game he's running, but it might also speak to the DM's attitude towards one of his players not wanting to have sex.

@chaos4654

2 ай бұрын

​@@arellajardin8188 Oddly enough or not, there is discourse over the MGE lore; New Lore vs Old Lore, vs Good/Bad translations of both. I have no idea where the line on that graph starts, btw. The DM clearly perfers one interpretation. The stance me and a handful of folks I've chatted with concluded actual MonGirl Entries are subject to unreliable narrator (the Extended Lore and Books tell a wholly different picture) and a ton of hyperbole + role-play. Since it's not exactly uncommon in a lot of hent*i I've seen to have characters say "*ape" in place of "rough" even *between* *consenting* characters.

That first story... well let me start with saying there is a difference between being sex positive, what she thought DM's deal is, and not respecting consent, what is actually happening. In fact, those two things are mutually exclusive. Now, he may be as decent of person as she thinks. I don't know because I don't know either of these people. Doesn't really matter because the fact that the issue needs to be addressed doesn't change. I mean giving DM all the benefits of doubt doesn't change that. If he is the great guy that she thinks he is, then he either needs to change things to make her feel comfortable or she needs to leave the game. If for no other reason than to preserve their friendship. If things keep going the way they are, she is going to feel a lot of resentment towards him, and if he actually is a good friend it will kill their friends tragically. And if he is not good friend, it will have the benefit of ending their friendship but comes with a lot of negative baggage.

I am only part way through the story. But as someone who lives in a sex-positive household having the same sentence be. He comes from a very sex-positive background but didn't go over consent. Or boundaries about a very sexual assaulty background. Magic really doesn't jive in the same sentence. This sounds much more like someone who's pretending to be from a sex. Positive household and is honestly super creepy. Because a disease that makes you jump all over and Bang. Everyone without consent and spread the disease to do it more is not a sex-positive thing that's. Super creeper

@ketrava0425

2 ай бұрын

Remember everyone the creepers hear the same stuff we do and they are masters of lying to make it look like they are not as bad as they say they are perit when somebody shows you who they are believe them don't believe the lies

@jampine8268

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, like if you where pretty liberal about sex, consent would be one of the first things to set up. Also I'm pretty sure it doesn't automatically make you a horny letch who just springs sexual topics on people without warning.

How does a robot biting you turn you into a horny plant monster??? I've read Monster Girl Encyclopedia stuff a bit, and there are some that can bite and turn you like that like werewolves, but... what?

Gay Christian Doge, Patron Saint of Kitties and Stories.

@teddychu1177

2 ай бұрын

YAaasssss.....

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

Wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove. Extra serpent.

That last guy’s excuse pissed me off so much. “You can’t differentiate between in character and out of character behaviour” doesn’t apply when you’re being an asshole out of character.

Tiny Lucky - so cute, and remember they are always tiny - which is good because they would probably eat us all if they were bigger than us.

Wow, that Wizard of Oz one made no sense. No one would know about a 105 year old movie? Cause we don't still teach in schools about Shakespeare's 400 year old plays.

I don't have an issue with monster girls being a thing. Hell I backed Silver's guide. But you can't take away that much player agency. Dude needs to adult up and actually discuss the issue. If the DM is interested in the fun of their players, he will fix the issue.

Thank you for your speech on Christians, Doge^^ I am one myself too and I am sick of both the Christian fundamentalists for being so insanely violent/stupid and people like Jane who think this is representative of all or most of our faith. It's never a good thing to stereotype people one way or another. Religions, like ideologies and ethnic groups, aren't a hive mind, and people within them can have a wide range of morality or interpretations of their belief.

@SageTigerStar

2 ай бұрын

just like any group, there's a vocal minority that gets all the attention because they command it from others. While the majority of the groups aren't like that, the problematic ones feel like they're they "face" of the group because they're loud and obnoxious. This coming from a Gay man who doesn't like the current state of LGBTQIA++++++++ of which the "faces" are a bunch of demented activists who DO NOT speak for all of us.

@teddychu1177

2 ай бұрын

Also the fact that Doge is LGBT+, so he gets extra respect points from me. Trying to reconcile those two aspects aren't always easy, especially in a meaningful matter.

@Keiji555

2 ай бұрын

Yup. The people who dismiss us Christians like that, often are Atheist and respond that way. That, and defend whatever other faith that actually gets violent and murders people. It gets annoying, that Christians aren't allowed to defend ourselves and explain ourselves.

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

@@Keiji555 Aww, poor defenseless churchy. Go cry in your pastor's lap. Don't mind the bulge, it's just a lollipop.

First story: Nothing against hørny games, but everyone needs to be down with it. DM shouldn't have shoved that into a normal campaign. Edit: I have a VERY hard time buying it that the DM isn't inserting his magical realm into the game. Again, that would be fine if everyone was on board with it, but that's not the case here.

Story 2: Oh goodie, it’s our old friend, the Reddit Atheist. Once they find out you’re religious, they’ll hound you with their beliefs on why religious people are the worst people in the world, but then run away and play the victim when they get talked back at.

@dalejhunter1

2 ай бұрын

I'm not a man of faith, but I do believe there is a God. But a person's religion is their own business. If they want to share it with others, that is fine. But one should never be pushy about such a thing no matter what.

@iank472

2 ай бұрын

It makes me laugh to realise that kind of person in in fact a kind of religious fanatic. They have complete faith in knowing the unknowable and even have a Saint in the form of Richard Dawkins.

@bestaround3323

2 ай бұрын

​@@iank472No, that's not how that works at all. I mean maybe some do but most don't. An atheist just doesn't believe in gods, that is all. There is no other requirements. You can still believe in the super natural and be atheist.

@iank472

2 ай бұрын

@@bestaround3323 I'm not talking about all atheists as most atheists don't try to belittle others for their beliefs. Ones like Jane though are zealously certain that they are correct and everyone with any kind of faith is wrong. They are the religious fanatics I'm referring to. They have the kind of certainty in the impossible to prove or disprove that requires actual faith. As I said it's pretty ironic.

@bestaround3323

2 ай бұрын

@iank472 Oh yeah those that push it on others unprompted are asshats.

First one: I do not think this is a player agency issue, personally. A player new to the game might not know Feeble Mind might be used against them, for example, but it is not taking agency away to throw a lich at the party that might use it against the party. That would be much, much more restrictive for a PC, so I cannot say the horny virus is really doing anything that is not. The player can always say, "huh, not really interested in playing that out any more... maybe I will play a bard ventriloquist next." Agency does not mean the player can do whatever they want; it means they are able to affect the world and have a choice in the story. Sometimes that character's story ends in a place we do not want; same as a tpk is not taking player agency away. As far as the sex issue; should talk it out above board if it is creeping you out. I would think some saves should be used if they are not into the nude wrestling, even when effected, and there should be a quest they can take to control or cure the horney virus (have they tried remove curse, greater resteration, or wish?). This is an OK plot hook for an erp game, but 100% the dm's fetish. Real question is why the rest of the party is letting her do this when she expressed she did not want to; like walking away from a drunk friend when a guy is hitting on them. It just needs a group talk, I think. There is a lot wrong here. I agree with edit 3; the dm is representing a world and opposition to the pc's. It does not reflect on him to do this to a player any more than having them killed by orcs makes the dm a murderer or that he worships Satan because he has a lich in his game or some such non-sense.

@bubbykins4864

22 күн бұрын

Since when did worshipping Antagonist have anything to do with undeath?

@rynowatcher

22 күн бұрын

@@bubbykins4864 I am not sure we are talking about the same story.

@bubbykins4864

22 күн бұрын

@@rynowatcher "or that he worships Satan because he has a lich in his game" That insinuates that Satan would like liches, which doesn't seem in character for a guy humanity insulted by naming him Antagonist, since liches are most likely to be human.

@rynowatcher

22 күн бұрын

@@bubbykins4864 ah, I get you now. I was saying an absurdist statement to make the point; that point being a person playing a bad character does not make them a bad person in real life. The "liches are in your game so you must be a Satanist" was actually a arguement Tipper Gore raised in the 80's during the satanic panic, and it is just as silly now as it was then.

To the DM of the fourth story, when Magas said they wanted to close the door you should have said they don't they're meditating in the corner and don't know what's going on and to please stop meta-gaming. But even before that you should have told them to roll up a character that would want to join and get along with the party, or leave the game. P.S. Magus is just the type of person who likes to ruin other people's fun. It's no more complex than that.

Intro: AWWWW! He was a cute little void fuzzball! Poor Simba though, lol. Story 1: WTH is this? DM license revoked! WTF is this!!!! (Bashes, not mashed Emergency Bail button!) Ow, I never slapped my forehead so hard before. Story 2: There has been more anti-christian/ atheist horror stories than religious zealot stories. Story 3: What is up with this DM? Sigh. Story 4: Booo! Why should that guy dictate who can play what? Da heck GM! Good on GM for getting rid of that guy.

Monster Girl Encyclopedia like all other books is just a resource. A tool for DMs. In the right campaign it is a very useful one. In the wrong game it is not. But yeah, other comments have the right of it by DM just being a bad DM and taking away player agency. But if the DM is that cool as a person he might just be ignorant of what hes doing. In that case hes perfect to have an honest talk with him like Doge said. For the second story, I am an athiest and dont really like religion, but to keep doing something like that to someone is a jerk move. Regardless of someones beliefs, they arent the ones you should be targetting if youve problems with their faith. For the Oz story... Thats just the GM trying to railroad cause he likely doesnt know how to deal with it. And if there was a reason why Oz no longer existed in the records, then the GM should give them evidence that it seems to have been wiped. Could be a cool idea honestly. Last story just seems to need a ban hammer for Magus. Good on OP for giving them a chance and making the right decision. Moral for all these stories is just... Communication. And not just communication but communication with the intent of empathy and understanding. Except the last story which is just... Get rid of them.

Good job. I enjoy the improved engagement.

That thumbnail is all I needed to watch this early.

@AmaryInkawult

2 ай бұрын

YESSSSS

@icarue993

2 ай бұрын

MGE's art is so good. I bought it just for the images... then I read the text... and then I saw the sketches. Cool art tho

@easiestcc6451

2 ай бұрын

@@icarue993 That's how Monster Girl Quest (the game the encyclopedia is based on) gets ya. You come for the monster girls and stay for the story.

Me, a modern person being alive in real life today: I want to go get a book of Shakespeare's poetry. Omnipotent dm god of my life: no, you can't do that. He's too old, and no one has ever heard of him. Except for all the people in your society who love him so much that they have surgery to graft wigs onto their heads and sew frilly fabric onto their wrists. Also you can't look it up. Also, despite the fact that many of his stories are so popular that literally every theatre company to ever exist forever will have reproduced/reiterated on his works, literally none of them in existence will have anything in their supplies that would even allow you to passibly emulate his appearance or the styles of any of his works. Wow what an intolerably stupid DM.

Story 1: Don't destroy your sheet, save it for elsewhere. If the group is fine with it let them goon to monster girl RP, just not at your expense. Taking away your agency in all of this and ignoring your objections is not okay. Maybe you work well with them as friends, but they don't seem work well with you as a D&D group. It is worth trying to discuss this one more time and really emphasize just how uncomfortable you are with your character's agency being taken away and for it to be used in this manner. He turned your character into a monster girl and has her jump anything that moves. Describing at least some of the encounters in great and vivid detail. I don't think he's a total creep, just a bit weird and really oblivious that what he's doing is a problem. But it did cause a problem for you, and that is the important part.

About the third story, "I dont go with the party because I dont trust them" is such a fucking dumb line. Players who say that think they are cooler than they actually are. Its ironic because all that self-perceived "cool" goes out the window when they actually reveal that they are a murderhobo. You can trust or not trust whoever you like, but sometimes necessity demands that you are, at the bare minimum, cooperative with the people you are stuck with or else the game isnt gonna go anywhere without you getting inevitably left behind. I wonder what GM enabled their behavior and left them to believe that any GM will bend to their whims... Either way, OP handled the situation the best they could and took all the right steps. They talked with Magus and tried to get an idea, but took no crap from them when Magus hurled insults.

First thing i thought was that there should be a roll to avoid being bitten, another Saving Throw to resist the transformation. Even if those rolls failed, there should be another Saving Throw to resist the mating the in the MGE part. Because at the very least it gives the Player multiple chance.

3rd story, One has to start wondering what the dm wanted

Story 2: I wonder where OP and Jane are from, since going to church seems to be weird for anybody. Where I am, nobody would bat an eye at the mention of going to church.

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

That's because you live in Trumpville.

@ByrdieFae

2 ай бұрын

@@devcrom3 Yes, actually. And it sucks.

@clarehidalgo

2 ай бұрын

@@devcrom3 Like I'm from California and people I know go to church every Sunday on both sides of the family. I'm agnostic/Atheist and it doesn't seem weird to me

The wizard of Oz is already over a century old. It's all even older for the books.

I had to look up what Momona and Monster Girl Encyclopedia were, which appears to be from some kind of Swords & Sorcery themed manga. I'm guessing that the DM is simply a big fan of the manga, and decided to base his D&D campaign on that setting. And from the little that I read on the manga, many of the monster girls procreate by infecting others with their Momona and have very little self control when they're around members of the opposite sex. This isn't a bad choice of manga to base a D&D campaign on. However, the players losing agency with their characters is a problem. I understand that the DM is trying to stay true to the source material, but when adapting something like that to D&D you have to keep your players in mind as well. By taking their player agency away, he essentially turned their characters into NPCs. If he wants to stay true to the manga, but not take away player agency, I would suggest that he gives the players a WIS check with a continuously increasing DC. Start the DC out at a easily beaten number, like 5. Then every day in game, increase the DC by +1. Eventually the player will fail the roll, either by rolling poorly or because the DC becomes too large to beat no matter what they roll. Then the player can either choose to play out their characters desires, or the DM can take over temporarily (kind of like when a character is infected with lycanthropy and the DM has to take the character over during the three nights of the full moon when they become a wolf on the hunt). The characters desires are satisfied for the time being, and control can return to the player until the next time they fail their WIS check. Or it can be a WIS Saving Throw, with the bonuses going up as the character progresses through levels. This gives the player their agency even longer. And with feats like Iron Will and Greater Iron Will, they'll even have more chances to brush off their characters desires. I've had an idea for a while now for a character that was an investigator with Multiple Personality Syndrome. His other personality was a serial killer, constantly leaving him taunting messages, making him his own nemesis. And my idea was that the primary personality (the good aligned investigator) would have to make a WIS check every night when he went to sleep, starting at DC 5 and increasing by +1 every night until he fails. Once he fails, he wakes up as his other personality, sneaks out, kills someone to satisfy his growing need to kill, and then returns to bed where he returns to his primary personality. The investigator wakes up tired, completely ignorant of the fact that he had killed the night before, and with the WIS DC back at DC 5 (as his other personality is satisfied at the moment). There's another Japanese manga/hentai that would be a good D&D campaign setting (for mature 18+ NSFW campaigns), called Magical Woman Meruru. The monsters are extremely sexualized, but the characters don't necessarily have to be. Ogres like to r@p* women before eating them. Sahaugen procreate by planting their eggs inside of an unwilling human host, and then other sahaugen fertilize the eggs. When the baby sahaugen hatch, they eat their way out of the hosts bodies. Other fantasy monsters are certainly possible, but the series only has two episodes for some reason. (Meruru is an interesting character. She's a young wizard just starting out with the adventuring lifestyle. For some reason, her magic tends to fail her until after she has sex. Once she orgasms, then her enemies are hit by all of her spells that fizzled out, all at once. I think that she's supposed to have more control over her spells as she levels up, but it's hard to tell with only two episodes.)

In the second story, this woman should have been called out & told "stop that shit, stop acting like this & dont be a lucy...unless u are then for my own sanity ill leave" (if u watch den of the drake you'd know who am talking about) Edit: its not the lucy from the looney lucy saga.

First story: YOU KNEW going into this game that this "disease" existed and could transform people but you never asked if your character could be affected? Nah that's on you dude.

That girl in the second story sounds a lot like the atheist from one of den of the Drake's videos. I doubt it's the same person, but it's odd that more showing up.

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

White, straight religious people in the US are the most oppressed group of people who have ever lived.

S1: I'm also into MGE, and yeah Doge you're right about the "Robot biting" part! While the whole "Corruption-Transformation" part of that series can be applied "werewolf style" (ironic as they're ARE werewolves among the monster girls) they have other mean to do that that isn't biting or scratching and the Robot ones don't do either (hell I don't remember if they even corrupt, but I do feel that they don't!) so the DM basically BS the corruption by using the wrong thing! But the issue is largely taking away agency from the player! Others are acting like this was forced on them but from OP Edits, they went into this game KNOWING THE SETTING and she likely didn't know that he was keeping the corruption elements (because otherwise she might have made a male) and is rightfully angry this wasn't said in Session 0 (I'm guessing DM is pulling "the implied" card which I don't like! Make the rules CLEAR or it doesn't apply PERIOD! I've had bad experience with ALOT of people who pull rules out there asses or IMPLY them later after talking about "following the rules" and making a FUCKING CHART so you don't forget then pulling a BS rule out there ass and expecting you to have known! (It's like adding Werewolves, but giving NO indication that a character has been cursed! Yeah some might fear Meta-Gaming. But making it clear to the player from the start means they have to FIND a means for their character to KNOW they are cursed otherwise their meta-gaming!) so DM is being a dick I can also agree abit with OP on defending him! All they did was complain about the things he did which sticks to lore of MGE, but took agency from OP (And he's still a dick because the Corrupted are still the same, just ALOT more lustful with SOME traits of their transformed state! Also some Mamano cannot be transformed into and are more NATURALLY BORN so the one OP's character was turned into wasn't viable!) and he's getting the "Sexual Predator" label! But OP should have known better that her entire STORY screamed this outcome! Be careful venting to people online! They tend to judge based on previous behaviors of "others" (it's why Furries are treated as automatic Perverts because many stories involving them have had a bad actor of that group acting as such! And then you got the Lolicons! I'm divided on them, but I slightly tolerate them ALOT MORE then Pedos since Lolicons stick to Hentai which is art! Still creepy sexualizing a child, but as they're not based on an ACTUAL child as in any kid in real life, can't call them pedo's, still might put them ON a list, just not THE list like Pedos are who get off on ACTUAL children in sexual situations! Which is why I will NEVER tolerate them as I still remember my childhood growing up and being protected by the adults around me! So I give the same to kids as well and to do the shit they do and looking at the "aftermath" of kids who weren't protected as just look at Dan Schneider and everything on Nickelodeon and many of the cast members of the old show ALL THAT! Lucky that one kid who came in late had a black mom who cared for him like my mother does me! Protecting him from being targeted or molested! Didn't help a budding acting career but finding out what happened to many of the OTHER cast members who DIDN'T have his helicopter mom watching and blocking alone access to him! Yeah he is very Lucky! Pedo's I will never accept them near me or children! They can "live their lives" as far from actual children and access to them as humanly possible! And if their found working AROUND kids KNOWINGLY like a certain "Handy" from Nickelodeon infamy! They need to have themselves chemically poisoned to never feel lust again and have the thing between their legs castrated that the only thing it will be used for is PISSING OUT WASTE and nothing more! Sorry for the tangent! Pedo's really piss me the fuck off!) Only adding my piece as someone who is into MGE since it first started to give a clear idea as misinformation is fucking annoying and I know people are too lazy to be SURE their getting the right information to get context (this is how KARENS/KEVINS come into existence people and we get the Satanic Panic and cringe like "Reefer Madness!")

@EternaMidnight

2 ай бұрын

Agree with the first paragraph a lot, after that you kinda derailed lol

@paulman34340

2 ай бұрын

@@EternaMidnight The rest is me ranting. I do that when I'm Triggered LOL. Ignore it!

Funniest part, someone actually made a dnd appropiate monster girl bestriary wothout the sa and transformation stuff

the monster girl books is good is if you want more colourful characters and if you want a bard to not sedation a on animal that should rip it off 😅

Sorry to hear about your tinnitus and your father’s battle with cancer, Doge… May health return to you both!

Look i love monster girls and boys as much as the next person. But not to the point where I would make someone uncomfortable in a game and take away their agency

I've actually had a similar situation to the monster girl story (though significantly less severe) The game only lasted a few sessions but in these sessions: The DM had multiple monstergirl DMPCs just kinda follow the party around My PC (The only female character in the party) in session 2 was kinda out of nowhere transformed into a dragon monstergirl. A different PC died not long after and was forced to take a level of warlock with one of the monstergirl DMPCs as his patron And a few more things. Things kinda blew up after like session 5 Honestly though the players really liked the dynamics between the player characters. Oh well

❤️the little kitten playing with the orange cats floofy tail.

Prologue: Kitten Lucky! And I got to be "Like" number 666! Story 1: "I genuinely believe that he just wasn't aware of how uncomfortable this might make someone..." Good point; how could the DM possibly know that transforming a player's character with no warning and taking away one's agency in favor of making their character a de facto r*pist might make someone uncomfortable? Seriously though, that is some weapons-grade copium. At a bare minimum, this warrants a discussion with the DM. There are already enough red flags here to warrant bailing on this table entirely, not the least of which is that OP thinks it's OP's own fault just for not feeling comfortable with this absolute BS. Doge had a good post-script take on this one. Story 2: It is an unfortunate reality that Judeo-Christian beliefs and practices are considered "fair game" for intolerant attitudes. "Well, they hold intolerant beliefs too!" Even if and where it is true, two wrongs don't make a right. Worse, a person who buys into this becomes exactly the kind of person one professes to hate, adopting all the worst characteristics attributed to the target. Story 3: This was such a painfully stupid chain of rationalizations for not allowing perfectly reasonable alternatives to the GM's preferred plan. Even if the players had literally no idea what the gang was patterned after, they'd still be able to observe the gang members and pick up on their general aesthetic. As a standard baseline, every GM should prepare for 3 to 5 different ways their players might attempt to overcome a major encounter, and stealth/infiltration should have been high on that list of anticipated strategies. This doesn't always work, but a surprising number of truly unpredictable player strategies will be close enough to an anticipated general course of action that it doesn't have to be completely improvised. Last Story: Problem player apparently forgot he wasn't the main or only character. Session Zero has to cover character motivations and make sure they each have a reason--and the capacity--for working with a team. Lonewolf Edgelord McMurderhobo is a drain on ANY table, so the earlier that character (and unfortunately too often, the player) is shown out, the better.

1st story: sounds like the dude needs more level headed normal guy influence that's willing to tell him " whoa, chill out man, this getting into some weird territory or dude, your weirding people out dial it back and think a bit".

Geez, DM in the first game should get on an AI girlfriend app for these type of scenarios. TTRPGs with real people involves A, B, C, & D personalities those type of spells won't go over well with some people.

The thumbnail is quite alluring.

Second Story (paraphrasing) - In college, my friends and gaming group: “You’re a Christian?!” Me: “Yeah, I go to church every Sunday morning.” Them: “😆, THAT’s where you disappear to!” Me: “😆” Them: “Wait, but you debate with us all the time about religion and the existence of God.” Me: “It’s an interesting discussion for me. It’s actually part of my religious practices to doubt and question my faith.” Them: “False messiahs? Satanic temptations? The Boogeyman?” Me: “Yeah, kinda 😄 Don’t you f***ing go easy on me.” Them: “😆 Dude, come on, we ain’t gonna hold ANYTHING back now!…OMFG, wait, but you ran that brutal, evil one-shot.” Me: “😈” My best friend: “Spanish Inquisition.” All: “🤣😂🤣😂”

Breakfast after church? Sheesh, what morning service are they attending?

@devcrom3

2 ай бұрын

It's a common brainwashing technique to starve and sleep deprive your victims.

The problem with the DM of the MGE story is that he's using that setting at all without removing the problematic core of it. This includes; how the entries are written, dipicting all of the monster girls as criminals of the non-consentual sexual acts variety to different angles and degrees, the horrible justificiations of those dipictions in the backstory and lore of the setting. It's all very uncomfortable and it not friendly to anyone and really only appeals to the worst kinds of sexual deviants. For Monster Humanization / Gijinka: there are variences and different degrees in what kind of focus that art or story is about. Ranging from cool looking to the cute and wholesome and serious grounded to normal and mundane. Sometimes you get Monster Artists going the sexy pin-up angle, or sex comedy and that's fine, there's something for everyone. At the very least the creators that know what they are doing know where the line is. MGE is the exception, it's all sexually charged to very bad places and is very problematic in how it dipicts it's setting and portrays women in general that it's honestly no surprise that DM was thought to be a sex pest at best or a potential sex criminal at worst due to how he didn't really consider how problematic that series is and didn't change anything without a heads up during session 0. I would urge OP to really consider who DM really is with how he chose to not modify what he was drawing from and be prepared to distance themselves from DM.

*monster girl:* So OPs problem with it is the DM is essentially saddling their PC with a no-save Dominate Person of indeterminate length whenever they feel like it. Yeah, problematic. And it's about sex, which is a topic you have to clear with the group before you delve into it. *Oz:* Either they know nothing about a 105 year old film OR they have super specific knowledge about it and don't break into a theatre because they know no costumes for it can be found. This is one of those areas where you have to pick one because you can't have both. And it's not like trying to sneak past is going to be foolproof.

that last story is basically a fine example of an internet warrior. He knows online there's nothing any of the other people can do to him to stop him or anything so he can get away with whatever and act however he wants. All the DM can do is ban/block and that's the worst consequence he'll get, and he's likely out on LFG ruining another game just because he can. People like that are a waste. The minute the act like that, ban them and keep going. The actions of one character can be retconned and dealt with and probably non consequential to just write out of the game easily enough like he never existed

While it's not a good idea to make a new character to fuck over the campaign, it definitely wouldn't make them part of the horror story or just as bad or anything. Not gonna accuse the DM of anything as per the poster's request, but sudden sexual content you're not comfortable with isn't comparable to making a new character and being kind of a dick about it (after said sexual content changed your character to fit a fetish lorebook).

Story 3: That DM is not a DM. The players should have called him out on the insane railroading. If i was in thst game, I would have been absolutely relentless in that. Are there much better ways to handle that? Absolutely. But at that point i would have gotten petty.

Cyberpunk Wizard of Oz is the worst kind of railroading, since the GM built a scenario with fun-looking, colorful characters and outright discouraged their players from engaging with it. I mean... what? Why?

Second story proves that assholes don’t matter which side you are on.

Third one: the character role abilities in Cyberpunk Red lock certain things away, just like d&d classes. A Fixer specializes in buying, selling, and knowing people to do services so I can see not letting the party buy exotic items like costumes and stage quality makeup. The world is recovering from a nuclear war that decimated night city, so there are people literally starving to death in the street; very appropriate that they cannot just find costumes without one. That would be like someone in a d&d game complaining their level 1 wizard cannot use plate mail or a great sword. The net was filled with daemons (ai viruses) that caused a lot of data and tech to be lost on the net. It is possible they cannot find any copies or refrence to Wizard of Oz on the city net (all networks are private), and the costumes are references the gangers do not get. Lots of people use phrases like "blood is thicker than water" or terms like grognard and have no idea where they came from or what they originally mean. The wizard of Oz theme is the gm winking at the camera, not really dropping a clue here. Flesh sculpting I'd a surgery that can be done in an afternoon, but it takes 2 weeks to recover from a surgery. Healing is slow in Cyberpunk as a rule. I feel the gm here because this is the pc's trying to avoid the thing the game is made to do. The d&d equivalent is rather than using perception to check for traps and theives tools to disarm them, the players make a musical instruments out of buckets to appease the dragon and get angry when the dm wants them to go into the dungeon. Why play Cyberpunk and try to think a way around playing Cyberpunk?

Wizard of oz movie is 91 years old guess we only have 9 more years till we alp forget it.

That first one really puts the w in horror story

Story 1: not gonna lie, I don’t care what OP says, the first mistake was the lack of a session 0 and the whole thing is just kinda sus to me. Story 2: I’m a pagan occultist myself, and it sounds to me that this “Jane” lady is probably the edgy atheist types that thinks everyone who isn’t an atheist like herself is somehow lesser than she is. Story 3: the Wizard of Oz is actually an allegory for various occult principles, because the author of the book that the film was based off of was an occultist who practiced Theosophy. Story 4: Magus definitely got what he deserved in the end, and if I’d have been there I might have engaged in PvP IRL