I will say the first book is perhaps a little bit too subtle at times with Paul, and the ending is very triumphant. I can see why the movie changed Chani to be much more skeptical, and Paul to lay it on thick that he's the duke and the son of Leto. It could make a smoother transition to Doon Messiah
@orange_turtle34122 күн бұрын
How the hell did they do the strong female protagonist so perfectly well with black widow, then screwed up every subsequent attempt they made? They had already created a perfect model for these characters and then just threw it away.
@pauloboyle4772 күн бұрын
Kamala is the only one I give a pass to. She’s an actual fan and u can hear her try and say she didn’t care about representation. She truly loves the comics but to young have a choice like Henry Cavil did
@Kyle-sr6jm6 күн бұрын
The siren song of the tyrrant is ways to concentrate power in the state "for the greater good".
@leonidaspereirafilho4996 күн бұрын
Wrong, nerd.
@leonardpimentel58656 күн бұрын
I don’t care if you are reviewing a movie or not. I would happily listen to you talk about political philosophy for hours on end, typically agreeing with you, occasionally screaming at my phone about how wrong you are about some nitpick or another. thank you for all the excellent material.
@Maniac7427 күн бұрын
Meh, I think you missed out on the point. The danger of messiahs was one of many lessons Herbert was trying to convey. In fact, only Dune Messiah was based on that message. Dune itself wasn't, and neither were Children of Dune or God Emperor of Dune. Paul was the hero of Dune, and he was even the her of Dune Messiah. He was the warrior hero in Dune for obvious reasons, but in Dune Messiah, Paul sacrificed himself so that his children's future would be ensured. He didn't have to walk into the desert, blind, but he did it for his children's sake. Sacrifice makes a hero, and Paul sacrificed everything.
@genmaicha.lapsang5 күн бұрын
I think that walking into the dessert was Paul's cowardice. Paul knew what needed to be done to undo his mistake, he just didn't want too.
@petermarchi19357 күн бұрын
It's not that "The MCU has a Woman Problem!" It has a bad writing for The Woman of the MCU Problem.
@noneofyourbeeswax5469 күн бұрын
I get not liking Brea Larson but the marvels wasn’t as bad as people said… it’s very mid but not horrible
@PlatFormerlyKno9 күн бұрын
Denis Vjnyuuuuh 😂
@germanxmascookie9 күн бұрын
Not seeing the point of this video. Paul's journey is more the Raglan model than the Campbell formula... Okay. And? Love Little Platoon's stuff but this one is lost on me.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
ironheart? that's almost stupider than she-hulk attorney at law.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
she hulk attorney at law. that's the actual name of the movie. if that isn't the lamest name for comic book movie I've yet to come across. sign me up to watch that! I'll pay in advance.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
should be called phase bore, not four.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
it is called the M-She-U now.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
so bad it's certainly not worth writing or watching a review explaining how bad it is.
@scipioafricanus29 күн бұрын
I don't like, but it at least this movie has some substance unlike the marvel movies and star wars.
@jasontheskeleton47999 күн бұрын
17:12 I now you were tryna make a point, but you didn't have to do my boy Ruffalo like that man
@georgeprchal392410 күн бұрын
Kinda the point of the book.
@DreamersOfReality10 күн бұрын
You all do understand that this show is all about leftist ideas and criticisms of the phenomenon of empire, right?
@DreamersOfReality10 күн бұрын
Cope and seethe, I guess.
@BurghezulDjentilom10 күн бұрын
he's a tragic hero. I guess you've never heard of that concept.
@shok2419911 күн бұрын
Damn, this is what you get when you unleash LostChord on a movie/book that actually has some meat to it. It's nice to see something that can be critically analyzed beyond "This is shit".
@DavidBrown-ts2us11 күн бұрын
Regardless of how it was intended, Paul definitely came off as the hero in Dune, he then transformed into the villian/anti-hero in the subsequent books. I took it as an allegory of how power corrupts.
@goldenfishes369511 күн бұрын
consider the fact that hero in western understanding means a hero to the world at large. Consider also the fact that every other tradition and culture consider a hero as a liberator. A hero is virtuous ro his people but a monster to their enemy. Look at the hero stories of china. It matters not if you are a cannibal or rapist or whst not. If you restore peace and order, you are the rightful heir of the heavens and a king. Simple and no fuss. Paul in all intent and purpose is a hero to the freman. The more anyone tries to deny paul as a hero the more they solodify him as the messiah od the freman.
@goldenfishes369511 күн бұрын
To put it in perspective, Putin once said that he is the leader of Russia, not the world. That is the right view of a people's champion.
@emilrosander234011 күн бұрын
Counter theory: Pattern perception bias.
@esurjan12 күн бұрын
Burst out laughing at Fair Use Alia. 😂
@daxter137613 күн бұрын
I have to be honest you are probably one of the most unbelievably entertaining people I’ve come across, you make education something truly interesting and enjoyable in a way I could listen to for hours. You sir are a very educational fellow
@EionBlue14 күн бұрын
One note I have near the end is that Herbert was subverting the idea of Prescience being a default good, more so that he was subverting the actual assumption that the authorities with prescience would even have the wisdom to deal with the knowledge they were given correctly, because at the end of the books, Leto II realized that yes, the empire NEEDED to crumble for humanity to flourish, and that saving the empire merely doomed it to stagnation. He's basically taking a jab at Hari Seldon saving the empire with "have you considered that maybe civilizations crumbling is a necessary and important part of human flourishing"?
@Evil0tto14 күн бұрын
"Dune: Paul Atreides is NOT a Hero" Anyone who has actually read the books: "Thank you!"
@Jeffrey31415914 күн бұрын
That was very deep
@lsixty3015 күн бұрын
She really is such a handsome young lad
@Mortebianca15 күн бұрын
"Everything I dislike is Marxism" all over again. 50 minutes edition.
@LostChord13 күн бұрын
This is an insanely bad faith read of a video in which Marxism gets, what, two mentions - not even especially critical ones? And only to differentiate it from Whiggism, which takes up most of the 50 minutes. One of us may well be obsessed, but I’m pretty sure it’s not me.
@slytherinqueen796015 күн бұрын
The fact that you can tell which projects the crowd is most excited and least excited for based on their cheering is hilarious. Even back then before the shows and movies came out they felt that over half of those projects didn’t make sense and were lackluster.
@tla_studios16 күн бұрын
Was struck at the experiences Herbert especially had before writing. Reminds me of the comments about current Hiollywood writers and how they haven't LIVED any life to be able to think and write about....
@Billy_Williamson16 күн бұрын
There's so many post credit and in movie threads that have literally been forgotten or lost the primary actors for. The whole thing has unraveled since Endgame just based on them putting stuff in movies and forgetting about it or not planning to pay it off later.
@pittland4416 күн бұрын
Fun fact, my grandfather used to refer to my uncles as "The Brain Trust" because they had maybe half a brain between all seven of them and he couldn't trust them (my uncles started more than a few fires in their day).
@pittland4416 күн бұрын
So not to be pedantic Platoon, but you're incorrect about the bastardization of the term liberal. That happened (in the U.S. at least) in the 1920s during the collapse of progressivism following the excesses and failures of the Wilson administration.
@sullivandmitry141616 күн бұрын
By far one of the worst movies of all time. The first looks like a fucking masterpiece in comparison. - Why would sully leave his tribe since he has lived and fought with them for decades? - Why would the wife leave her own people? - Does the war continue after Sully leaves the jungle tribe? - if the war did end after sully left the jungle tribe, why would the military stop fighting them and only hunt Sully? - If the war didn’t stop, then why did the military give Quatritch (don’t know how to spell it) his own leeway to go kill Sully? - If Colonel Q was awakened to kill Sully for the war, then why was he only given a corporate whaling vehicle to kill him? - If the war was over, and Sully no longer the leader of the tribe (which they would know since they have super cameras and reconnaissance) why would they allow the colonel to go off on his own revenge hunt when he could be put to better use doing anything else? So many baffling questions that never get explored because James doesn’t want to make a movie but instead wanted to make a pretty cgi nature documentary for a fake planet.
@pyroromancer16 күн бұрын
declaration of independence Memes aside Bri-ish are just mad a bunch of colonial Militia most of which formerly fought for the Crown held General Cornwallis in the south for so long. The result of throwing away your own soldiers when youre done with them. which is why the US has a relatively robust veterans programs. Dont forget the people that protect your nation.
@LPno.916 күн бұрын
Your whole "woman bad" and "diversity stupid" schtick did a great job of burying evidence of your knowledge and intelligence. This is better but probably difficult for the initial audience you attracted, whio most certainly wouldn't read Campbell, to follow. Maybe "jihad, jihad, jihad" will be helpful to them
@ThreadBareHope123417 күн бұрын
17:55 Point four and five, having an unusual birth, is an interesting one. He is almost half god, and is destined to be evil. Anakin was also implied to be born from the force and is later an evil dictator second only to the devil incarnate, and I wonder if that was intentional on Lukas's part. But of course destiny in star wars isn't set in stone, so they aren't perfectly parallel.
@bryanv168118 күн бұрын
Good video. Didn't understand a word of it. :)
@christianefiorito320418 күн бұрын
As a woman I can tell you the female perspective. Women are bored by strong beautifull Mary Sues, they represent a unsurmountable competition they cannot surpass or identify with or they perceive simply as stupid anf unrealistic, like Guyladriel. So most women will not go to the Cinema for those fake boring beautiful heroines. Most women though are attracted to bad boys whose sexy disobedience to power attracts them erotically and from a story telling perspective. While the bad boy is disobedient to the powers of the time, he encompasses a deeper more universal morality they can identify with and feel attracted too. Marlon Brando in a streetcar named desire.
@christianefiorito320418 күн бұрын
Isnt Frank Herberts tragic way Paul will go also a critique of utilitarianism? The prescience shows him and his son the small path to the survival of mankind, which in turn makes even 62 Billion victims worthwhile in the long run?
@supario852918 күн бұрын
Destroying what men have built up into greatness , seems to be the grand plan nowadays.... IDK what was worse .... The Marvel Movie Girl Loki Or The Mandalorian invading enemy territory with a bunch of chicks 😂😂😂😂 Shits A Joke Now
@dr.derekrobinson192019 күн бұрын
One of the worst movies I've ever seen. This movie seems to be written exclusively for sub 80 IQ troglodytes. If you enjoyed this movie, I implore you to surrender your driver's license and permanently refrain from voting. Holy smokes
@urahara22819 күн бұрын
What the hell is your problem with the Villeneuve movies?
@marcusbrothers522119 күн бұрын
We tried to shoe horn an Eskimo in the story but forgot if the term was politically correct (and nobody could spell Inuit)
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Captain Marvel is PG-13 Homelander
I will say the first book is perhaps a little bit too subtle at times with Paul, and the ending is very triumphant. I can see why the movie changed Chani to be much more skeptical, and Paul to lay it on thick that he's the duke and the son of Leto. It could make a smoother transition to Doon Messiah
How the hell did they do the strong female protagonist so perfectly well with black widow, then screwed up every subsequent attempt they made? They had already created a perfect model for these characters and then just threw it away.
Kamala is the only one I give a pass to. She’s an actual fan and u can hear her try and say she didn’t care about representation. She truly loves the comics but to young have a choice like Henry Cavil did
The siren song of the tyrrant is ways to concentrate power in the state "for the greater good".
Wrong, nerd.
I don’t care if you are reviewing a movie or not. I would happily listen to you talk about political philosophy for hours on end, typically agreeing with you, occasionally screaming at my phone about how wrong you are about some nitpick or another. thank you for all the excellent material.
Meh, I think you missed out on the point. The danger of messiahs was one of many lessons Herbert was trying to convey. In fact, only Dune Messiah was based on that message. Dune itself wasn't, and neither were Children of Dune or God Emperor of Dune. Paul was the hero of Dune, and he was even the her of Dune Messiah. He was the warrior hero in Dune for obvious reasons, but in Dune Messiah, Paul sacrificed himself so that his children's future would be ensured. He didn't have to walk into the desert, blind, but he did it for his children's sake. Sacrifice makes a hero, and Paul sacrificed everything.
I think that walking into the dessert was Paul's cowardice. Paul knew what needed to be done to undo his mistake, he just didn't want too.
It's not that "The MCU has a Woman Problem!" It has a bad writing for The Woman of the MCU Problem.
I get not liking Brea Larson but the marvels wasn’t as bad as people said… it’s very mid but not horrible
Denis Vjnyuuuuh 😂
Not seeing the point of this video. Paul's journey is more the Raglan model than the Campbell formula... Okay. And? Love Little Platoon's stuff but this one is lost on me.
ironheart? that's almost stupider than she-hulk attorney at law.
she hulk attorney at law. that's the actual name of the movie. if that isn't the lamest name for comic book movie I've yet to come across. sign me up to watch that! I'll pay in advance.
should be called phase bore, not four.
it is called the M-She-U now.
so bad it's certainly not worth writing or watching a review explaining how bad it is.
I don't like, but it at least this movie has some substance unlike the marvel movies and star wars.
17:12 I now you were tryna make a point, but you didn't have to do my boy Ruffalo like that man
Kinda the point of the book.
You all do understand that this show is all about leftist ideas and criticisms of the phenomenon of empire, right?
Cope and seethe, I guess.
he's a tragic hero. I guess you've never heard of that concept.
Damn, this is what you get when you unleash LostChord on a movie/book that actually has some meat to it. It's nice to see something that can be critically analyzed beyond "This is shit".
Regardless of how it was intended, Paul definitely came off as the hero in Dune, he then transformed into the villian/anti-hero in the subsequent books. I took it as an allegory of how power corrupts.
consider the fact that hero in western understanding means a hero to the world at large. Consider also the fact that every other tradition and culture consider a hero as a liberator. A hero is virtuous ro his people but a monster to their enemy. Look at the hero stories of china. It matters not if you are a cannibal or rapist or whst not. If you restore peace and order, you are the rightful heir of the heavens and a king. Simple and no fuss. Paul in all intent and purpose is a hero to the freman. The more anyone tries to deny paul as a hero the more they solodify him as the messiah od the freman.
To put it in perspective, Putin once said that he is the leader of Russia, not the world. That is the right view of a people's champion.
Counter theory: Pattern perception bias.
Burst out laughing at Fair Use Alia. 😂
I have to be honest you are probably one of the most unbelievably entertaining people I’ve come across, you make education something truly interesting and enjoyable in a way I could listen to for hours. You sir are a very educational fellow
One note I have near the end is that Herbert was subverting the idea of Prescience being a default good, more so that he was subverting the actual assumption that the authorities with prescience would even have the wisdom to deal with the knowledge they were given correctly, because at the end of the books, Leto II realized that yes, the empire NEEDED to crumble for humanity to flourish, and that saving the empire merely doomed it to stagnation. He's basically taking a jab at Hari Seldon saving the empire with "have you considered that maybe civilizations crumbling is a necessary and important part of human flourishing"?
"Dune: Paul Atreides is NOT a Hero" Anyone who has actually read the books: "Thank you!"
That was very deep
She really is such a handsome young lad
"Everything I dislike is Marxism" all over again. 50 minutes edition.
This is an insanely bad faith read of a video in which Marxism gets, what, two mentions - not even especially critical ones? And only to differentiate it from Whiggism, which takes up most of the 50 minutes. One of us may well be obsessed, but I’m pretty sure it’s not me.
The fact that you can tell which projects the crowd is most excited and least excited for based on their cheering is hilarious. Even back then before the shows and movies came out they felt that over half of those projects didn’t make sense and were lackluster.
Was struck at the experiences Herbert especially had before writing. Reminds me of the comments about current Hiollywood writers and how they haven't LIVED any life to be able to think and write about....
There's so many post credit and in movie threads that have literally been forgotten or lost the primary actors for. The whole thing has unraveled since Endgame just based on them putting stuff in movies and forgetting about it or not planning to pay it off later.
Fun fact, my grandfather used to refer to my uncles as "The Brain Trust" because they had maybe half a brain between all seven of them and he couldn't trust them (my uncles started more than a few fires in their day).
So not to be pedantic Platoon, but you're incorrect about the bastardization of the term liberal. That happened (in the U.S. at least) in the 1920s during the collapse of progressivism following the excesses and failures of the Wilson administration.
By far one of the worst movies of all time. The first looks like a fucking masterpiece in comparison. - Why would sully leave his tribe since he has lived and fought with them for decades? - Why would the wife leave her own people? - Does the war continue after Sully leaves the jungle tribe? - if the war did end after sully left the jungle tribe, why would the military stop fighting them and only hunt Sully? - If the war didn’t stop, then why did the military give Quatritch (don’t know how to spell it) his own leeway to go kill Sully? - If Colonel Q was awakened to kill Sully for the war, then why was he only given a corporate whaling vehicle to kill him? - If the war was over, and Sully no longer the leader of the tribe (which they would know since they have super cameras and reconnaissance) why would they allow the colonel to go off on his own revenge hunt when he could be put to better use doing anything else? So many baffling questions that never get explored because James doesn’t want to make a movie but instead wanted to make a pretty cgi nature documentary for a fake planet.
declaration of independence Memes aside Bri-ish are just mad a bunch of colonial Militia most of which formerly fought for the Crown held General Cornwallis in the south for so long. The result of throwing away your own soldiers when youre done with them. which is why the US has a relatively robust veterans programs. Dont forget the people that protect your nation.
Your whole "woman bad" and "diversity stupid" schtick did a great job of burying evidence of your knowledge and intelligence. This is better but probably difficult for the initial audience you attracted, whio most certainly wouldn't read Campbell, to follow. Maybe "jihad, jihad, jihad" will be helpful to them
17:55 Point four and five, having an unusual birth, is an interesting one. He is almost half god, and is destined to be evil. Anakin was also implied to be born from the force and is later an evil dictator second only to the devil incarnate, and I wonder if that was intentional on Lukas's part. But of course destiny in star wars isn't set in stone, so they aren't perfectly parallel.
Good video. Didn't understand a word of it. :)
As a woman I can tell you the female perspective. Women are bored by strong beautifull Mary Sues, they represent a unsurmountable competition they cannot surpass or identify with or they perceive simply as stupid anf unrealistic, like Guyladriel. So most women will not go to the Cinema for those fake boring beautiful heroines. Most women though are attracted to bad boys whose sexy disobedience to power attracts them erotically and from a story telling perspective. While the bad boy is disobedient to the powers of the time, he encompasses a deeper more universal morality they can identify with and feel attracted too. Marlon Brando in a streetcar named desire.
Isnt Frank Herberts tragic way Paul will go also a critique of utilitarianism? The prescience shows him and his son the small path to the survival of mankind, which in turn makes even 62 Billion victims worthwhile in the long run?
Destroying what men have built up into greatness , seems to be the grand plan nowadays.... IDK what was worse .... The Marvel Movie Girl Loki Or The Mandalorian invading enemy territory with a bunch of chicks 😂😂😂😂 Shits A Joke Now
One of the worst movies I've ever seen. This movie seems to be written exclusively for sub 80 IQ troglodytes. If you enjoyed this movie, I implore you to surrender your driver's license and permanently refrain from voting. Holy smokes
What the hell is your problem with the Villeneuve movies?
We tried to shoe horn an Eskimo in the story but forgot if the term was politically correct (and nobody could spell Inuit)