These days 'mid' is actually high praise indeed.

@officialjayhan

Жыл бұрын

It’s really… not.

@Jamie_Pritchard

Жыл бұрын

@@officialjayhan Well of course it's not, but we've suffered through such utter rubbish in the past few years something merely mediocre feels like a breath of fresh air.

@Butiguessilovememore

Жыл бұрын

​@@Jamie_Pritchard yeah like prey. I love a 90 pound Indian girl bossing all over a predator

@VexElectronicaGaming

Жыл бұрын

It's kind of sad that's where entertainment is going eh? And actual good entertainment seems to be completely lost on a general audience more oftemnthan not 🥹

@manuelpatino7863

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Jamie_Pritchard never got that logic, man. No offence. Rubbish is rubbish.

I'll be honest. I expected a lighthearted fantasy adventure with DnD humor, and I got that AND a decent story attached to it. Most of all, I was entertained by a movie that used the tropes I wanted to see represented of my hobby, so that's a win for me.

Being mid makes it infinity more engaging than your average DND session.

@LalienX

Жыл бұрын

I was nodding off playing DnD sometimes LOL

@mainstreetsaint36

5 ай бұрын

@@LalienX You nod off playing D&D? Might need a better DM. ASAP.

"Man is angry that every movie ever isn't as good as the godfather"

Given the absolute garbage pre-release press ("we like emasculating our male characters") it was surprisingly entertaining. The trailers made Chris Pine's character out to be a useless buffoon, but he was clearly the brains AND the leader of the group

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

Yup, he was one of the strongest parts of the film, though also suffered from the most inconsistent writing. Overall a strength, though.

@clarenceandgennymcneil251

Жыл бұрын

​@@LostChord I haven't seen it nor do I plan to but chris pine is the only reason I would consider it.

Wasn't expecting such a scathing review for this one but I respect your opinion. It doesn't quite reach future classic territory but I was impressed by how well constructed the film was. It had a nice arc for the characters, some of the comedic moments were genuinely hilarious and the action set pieces were great fun (The fat dragon sequence was brilliant).

Me, Dad and my sister played D&D in the 70's-80's with my brother as the DM. We went on some awesome adventures. I can't see a film competing with that.

@sgtbeercanyt

Жыл бұрын

In contrast my dad whos been playing since the 80s loved the movie.

@matthewvandevort9136

Жыл бұрын

The movie captured the essence of what a dnd campaign felt like. Yeah its not better than playing, but it is really good

@generalbolivar9736

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as a DM of 15 years now, I have to say that's the most disingenuous comment I have seen in this whole comment bar. No shit a movie's not gonna compare to an interactive experience you set up with your family, cause you're not inherently contributing to it.

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

@@generalbolivar9736 Have a like for poining out the obvious. (which I missed. LOL)

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

it doesn't try to compete, it just tells it's own story.

His highest value is family. How did you miss it? As you say, the plot is simple. The fact you missed it is because you are jaded with all the sjeit you have seen and so you assume the worst. It's a good, fun movie.

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

Except I didn’t miss it. I pointed out that the script treated it inconsistently. Pay attention.

@mainstreetsaint36

5 ай бұрын

@@LostChord No it didn't. It was always front and center in his motivations.

When the bar has been low enough to consistently hit you in the balls. I suppose it hitting you in the stomach is an upgraded.

I liked the movie. It was solid. Movies don't have to be the pinnacle of cinema to be good.

@sgtbeercanyt

Жыл бұрын

agreed

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

It was definitely above average. The comedy worked, the characters were well written and Hugh Grant was a fantastic snivelling weasel of a villain 7/10.

@breadhimself

Жыл бұрын

Therefore it should not be criticised at all.

@brendanmoll4799

Жыл бұрын

Yeah tbh if someone don’t like this movie then they watch too many movies. And I’ve heard a few thing complaining about it being a comedy…look if your campaigns aren’t funny then your not playing dnd

"Aggressively mid" is what a lot of people have come to mistake for "good" recently. The bar has gotten too low, I guess.

The definition of mid is making me think of the most recent movie in the Predator franchise, Prey.

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

That was also *very* mid, though it did have its moments.

@Hexensohn

Жыл бұрын

It's funny because even though that movie was very mid, it's still the third or fourth best Predator movie, depending on how you feel about Predators.

@firefoxriouyh6541

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord watch vox machina, that DnD shows is actually DnD playthrough🤣 for Critical Roll

@jennapreston6509

Жыл бұрын

@@firefoxriouyh6541 I'm fairly new to DnD, but I'm kinda obsessed with Vox Machina! I haven't watch much of the Critical Roll stuff, that's a bit too slow paced for me... but I freaking LOVE the adaptation. I've watched both seasons multiple times and probably will watch again another time or two before season 3 FINALLY comes out. It's SO GOOD!!!! I also enjoyed this movie a lot more than I expected to. It's definitely not in LOTR greatness territory, but I was pretty happy with it, and I don't say that about much of anything coming out these days.

Surely it can’t be better than the Dungeons and dragons that was made back in 2000? That movie was a masterpiece 😛

I have no personal stakes in D&D, but I have heard what the writers said about male leads and a little of what WotC has frequently done to its players and the game itself. I think this movie would be much more popular and fans wouldn't be so bitter if the well hadn't been so badly poisoned before this was released.

@Raycheetah

Жыл бұрын

I make a personal policy of not contributing to the economy of people who hate me. =9[.]9=

@AdventuringMind

Жыл бұрын

As a D&D player and DM, I not watching it because the first teaser was so silly that it left a bad taste in my mouth. WotC and the writers unselling campaign only solidified my position.

@Max_Plank

Жыл бұрын

@@AdventuringMind Bro the movie is so good, who cares what the trailer was like? You will deprive yourself of pleasure to spite some badly edited trailer? You only play yourself with that. And as a dm you are left out of the jokes and callbacks this will leave in games for years to come. If you love to hate that’s fine, but dnd is about letting people have their fun and as a dm making it happen!

@alariaaurora8456

Жыл бұрын

@@Max_Plank you can have fun while watching a serious deep fantasy story with actually good custom and set design that doesn't look like every generic, post 2015 fantasy movie or show (which looks too clean and too modern for a fantasy setting) Fun doesn't necessarily mean dumb. LOTR trilogy is among most beloved and most re-watched fantasy movies ever yet they aren't dumb

@Max_Plank

Жыл бұрын

@@alariaaurora8456 I mean if you play dnd you would know the set design, costumes, and practical effects are all spot on for the genre, and that there is nothing serious about a dnd campaign. Especially one played with good friends. This hit the mark for me and, according to the fans, everyone who plays dnd. It’s fine to not enjoy it, and I was simply commenting on that user avoiding it based on a trailer.

I had a great time, I don't need another Lord of the Rings, I already have it. And as a 20 year DnD veteran, I loved it

I completely disagree with starting from the premise that this movie had to compete with D&D campaigns a person had played. Those are two different experiences and the comparison simply doesn’t work.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

Well, plenty of D&D players disagree; when you've had some fantastic adventures in this world, a generic one is...well, generic.

I thought the film was one of the best in 2023. The story was engrossing, the characters compelling, their chemistry convincing and the overall experience fun!

The movie was truly amazing and I can't wait to see it again. Hope it has legs at the box office.

@henkhenkste6076

Жыл бұрын

imagine calling this "truly amazing" smh

Don’t call that imposter ’Captain Kirk’

The most unbelievable part of this review is someone as posh Little Platoon plays D&D.

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

I don’t! I think I’ve played it twice in my life. Always wanted to try it properly but the opportunity never arose. I’m familiar with it from the outside.

@mariotrujillo1673

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord ah that makes a lot more sense

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord you're missing out! The real fun begins when you've played enough times to develop an attachment to your character. Once you really get to know them and find their "voice" it stings a lot more when you take a hit. "a couple times" is not enough to know the triumph of defeating a BBEG that you've been tracking for months.

The fat dragon scene was good.

I think that you're being a bit harsh with this one. I really didn't want to see this movie, but my friends made me go. And, to my surprise, I ended up enjoying it. The film is goofy at points, but I think that actually helps in making it feel like an adaptation of a DnD game; it has interesting cinematography and editing (the cemetery scene), fantastic practical effects (especially with the Dragonborns; those very easily could've been CGI abominations but they aren't), the back stories are all worked in well, and it's acting and writing are decent overall. It's also nice that there aren't any no political gut punches to get THE MESSAGE across, and the movie is genuinely heartfelt and sincere when it needs to be. My favorite scene is when Christ Pine's character is talking to (spoiler) about trying to bring his wife back, and he's genuinely being vulnerable about how he was being selfish the entire time.

I think that mid-ness might not solely be due the writers inherent lack of talent and confidence in their audience's capacity to appreciate more complex narratives, but also an economics driven decision. Honor among Thieves had a reported production budget of $150 M. That means it needed a box office around $500 M just to break even. That's MCU money, which requires a MCU numbers of bums in theater seats, which in turn meant pitching to a predominately Normie MCU audience (or at least Hollywood's idea of what that is). When interviewed John Francis Daley, one half the writing team for the final script, was quite open about this perceived need for 'accessibility' to the uninitiated. The movie could have been much worse, but sadly i do not think better was ever in the cards.

Thicc is not strong. Fat is not muscle. You'd never cast a man with the build of angry tubby little Consuela there as "strong guy". There's only so much disbelief that I can suspend.

My disinterest in this film was due to how it looked and felt. I came across as people making fun of the fantasy genre rather than trying to create an engaging world. Take films like Willow, Legend, The Dark Crystal, The Neverending Story, Krull to name a few fantasy films from the 80’s and early 90’s. All these films show different kinds of medieval like Fantasy stories, but they all felt like they were created with a sense of purpose and were created by people who understand how a fantasy world works. This film feels as if it’s saying “hey look we have wizards, swords and dragons. That’s good enough and let’s throw in silly humor so it’s not too serious”. However each of the films I mentioned earlier all had humor as well. But were placed in areas that didn’t take away from overall story. Even in their marketing we knew what the story would be about. In Legend, it was saving the world from the devil and rescuing a unicorn, The Dark Crystal was a coming of age story told with puppets, Labyrinth was a young girl saving her brother from David Bowie. For this film, the marketing focused on its silly humor and cool looking monsters and nothing else. It also didn’t help that the writers focused on making the male characters jokes. But never on the actual story. Why are they doing this, how did they come together.

Must admit D&D is something I have paid no attention off however I get your point.....cheers.

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

Hi Andy. :) See you later at Mr Browns ?

@andymouse

Жыл бұрын

@@frankowalker4662 yeah bud !

I think the writers of this movie did exactly what Marvel and Lucasfilm (Disney) has stopped doing. They made a movie for the fans of the content. Anyone who plays D&D has experienced or will experience the woes and wins of the Honor Among Thieves crew. It depends on the lens you're watching through, I suppose.

I'm just back from seeing it with the kids, and whilst it's not The Godfather, it treated the Tabletop with respect and gave a hat tip to the 80s cartoon without relegating the reference to a member berry or shitting all over it. I'd go and see this again, and I'll even buy a DVD. It might be mid, but i'd still have enjoyed it in the pre-woke world

I think humorous fantasy can be great. Jack Vance's Dying Earth series, a cornerstone of the genre and one of the inspirations for D&D, is the prime example to me: The writing has a subtle, dark wit to it, and the humor tackles universal human follies rather than genre conventions. (The series was also written way before that was considered cool, but still.) The first book would make for excellent fantastical cinema; I'm thinking of something vaguely in the vein of "Tales of Tales" as far as the structure and presentation are concerned. But I guess that's more of a fantasy than anything in these books. Yeah ... the D&D movie. I'd rather try getting in the actual game, to be honest.

From all the trailers and clips I've seen of this movie, it just screams, "Meh".

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

I thought that too but it turns out the marketing is just terrible as the film itself is actually quite good.

@jasongray6665

Жыл бұрын

Your intuition is spot on

The promotion for this film was not good enough. Word of mouth appears to be doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Did I actually see the heroes dive headfirst into a gelatinous cube? That usually results in paralysis and slow digestion. =9[.]9=

@tylerjames805

Жыл бұрын

Well in the film they use it to get underneath the colosseum and have the Druid be able to get them out quickly

The second _Hellboy_ film was a better DnD adventure than this. "Why have us do any more of your imagining for you." -- Gary Gygax, 1978

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

Hell, Stranger Things is a better DnD adventure.

@Darkwintre

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord How would Hawk the Slayer fare against this?

I thought the characters were good, the plot solid, and managed to incorporate the feel of a D&D game rather well (mostly in pacing and plot structure) Plus the action choreography was pretty great and it didn't feel like it was trying to manipulate you I'd say this movie was a good one

Did they just jump into a giant slime? Don't those dissolve everything?

Insincerity in art is a war on the human spirit.

Do not take it as a regular movie. Take it as a campaign or a story a dm made for a one shot or two. It has all the hallmarks, npcs are either non interacting or have simple phrases the situations where thr gm trying to guide them back to the main plot

@douglasdeutsch7243

Жыл бұрын

Screen Crush has a decent video making that point also.

I'll pass my turn on this one. Funny how I pass over a lot of movies these days.

@Shamefulroleplay

Жыл бұрын

I would trust the multiple other reviews that like the film as opposed to this one.

@aaronsan6488

Жыл бұрын

​@@Shamefulroleplay I second that notion. If you really need meat in your fantasy stories like the reviewer in this video, then HoT is not for you. But if you want a fun movie that's at least slightly better than a popcorn flick, then this movie will probably deliver.

Idk man I loved this movie lol. Maybe the awful quality of almost everything else Ive seen in the last year has made this one better by comparison. As someone who plays DND every week with my friends this was pretty much everything I wanted from a DND movie.

I *could* find a much greater adventure at my tabletop, and very occasionally do... but the truth is, not every game is so inspired. Many tabletop sessions are merely great fun, rather than perfection. The cheerful mediocrity of Honor Among Thieves was part of what I loved about it. It felt honest. I'm saddened there will likely not be a sequel.

We already got "Fun Fantasy" in DnD no less, it was a fan made movie. It was called "The Gamers: The Full movie, and it had a squeal called "The Gamers: Dorkness Rising", I think they made a third one but I didn't watch it.

It did acomplish to entertain me for it's duration, which i gotta say i find value in.. Sure it aint perfect, no way near to be realistic, but it had some good things to it. All in all i think it was a solid tho not dareing movie, with good humor, high spirit, and a decent core story, that of family. I would say i did not doubt weather money or family was more important to our main, it was very obvious that his drive was the quest to get his daughter back..

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Saw the movie yesterday with my dnd group If we went mb school grades, we gave it a C/ C+. It was inoffensive. That’s the best way to summarize it. As a stand alone movie you can call it a generic fantasy movie. As a DND movie, our enjoyment came from making meta jokes and guessing what level the characters were and what game rules (fifth edition) they „broke“. But that’s all we could talk about. It’s not the worst thing you can watch with your time but in the same theatre, they also showed the puss in boots movie so it was also not the best use of our time.

I still favor that cartoon where the gang are transported through a rollercoaster.

It was a 6 or 6.5 by itself, but a good tech demo for some fun films down the road.

I agree with some of this take, but not all of it. I think focusing only on Chris Pine would have detracted from the feeling of it being a D&D party. A lot of their choices seemed like they were to make it feel like a D&D campaign, which they were rather successful at achieving. I tend to play my D&D games a little darker and a little less quippy, but this felt very much like the games I played and ran back in high school.

I actually enjoyed this film..2nd favorite behind John wick this year..comedy was done way better than marvel movies..almost teared up at end..almost non stop action..8/10

I have a question... ... does this film disprove the theory that Hollywood is COMPLETELY populated with what my character Falindriel (she's a 2e Grey Elf wild mage) would call "insipid, moronic gits"?

@hammerhiem75

Жыл бұрын

Yes. All the male Characters in the film are good and the females are well written and relateable as characters. Chris Pine's character has a motivation any man would have in his position his arc is a genuine one of growth and interospection which he achieves himself and is never browbeaten into. Justice Smith's Character is a typical young man who when given the proper male man to man talk we've all had and as father given responds like you would want and grows. Michelle Rodrigez's Character isn't overbearing, acceptes Pine leadership, knows and trusts that he will come through and is loyal. Not sure what else you would want to kick dust in the eye's of the woke mob. More importantly they how the fucking Monsters right, no Int 3 beholders in this film.

I was pleasantly surprised by it- it was actually a good Forgotten Realms movie!

So, big time tabletop nerd here, even wrote a 9 page script for a video if I ever get into youtube about system changes for vtm. Overall I thought the movie was above average and pretty enjoyable. I did get annoyed that they took away the bard class' magic and jack of all trades aesthetic. Worst of all to me was that Ed never used a sword, cause we specifically saw him with one in his flashbacks. In the end, I think the movie had some stuff that could be seen as indicative of parroting certain values espoused so often in the media. But I guess the distinction here is they felt more subtle and didn't come at the expense of the story. Also I only went to see it as my work gave me a free movie ticket for my local theater. Goes to show how bad the advertising generally was. I don't want to give wotc my money anymore (quit mtg and 5e), but I figured this was a decent compromise. Sure the theater likely will pay them for the showing but my theater was mostly empty anyway.

@generalbolivar9736

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he wasnt a bard at all but rather a Rogue that managed to continously roll 20s on Deception and made everyone believe he was a Bard? And who's player got a musical instrument proficiency to make the illusion more real.

@Sarcastic_Sophist

Жыл бұрын

@@generalbolivar9736 potentially, yet I see no sneak attack, cunning actions, lockpicking, or sleight of hand from him.

@generalbolivar9736

Жыл бұрын

@@Sarcastic_Sophist I'll give you lockpicking, but he did sneak attack a few times in the movie with his lute. First time when he wacked that one guard about to decapitate Holga, the second when he knocked out one of the guards in the boat and the third when he hit the Red Wizard to interrupt her spell in the final battle. Cunning Action happens when he managed to succesfully fool the Red Mage in the second Time Stop use and when he and the Barbarian escaped with the Arakokra at the start. Sleight of Hand happens at the start when he steals the Red Mage's treasure and when he manages to hand Hugh Grant's Rogue the Tablet of Resurrection during the first time stop.

@Sarcastic_Sophist

Жыл бұрын

@@generalbolivar9736 first point I can concede on sneak attack a bit. Cunning action in terms of its tabletop use I'd argue. Not sure that stuff counts as sleight of hand they generally felt pretty overt and lacking in finesse.

@Sarcastic_Sophist

Жыл бұрын

Admittedly I also went and checked the DND beyond official release for the characters. Ed is in fact listed as a bard.

It accomplished two things technically, it didn't go out of its way to actively antagonize anybody or try to sow cultural and social division like most movies do these days, it just genuinely seemed like it was written by people who wanted to have some fun with it

Dear Hollywood, I love Chris Pine. Please stop putting him in sh*t films.

@s13gouf60

Жыл бұрын

He needs a new agent, has bad taste, or just takes jobs due to criteria other than the script.

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

This was a good movie, and Chris Pine did a great job. You can expect to see him in the sequel.

@NarcissistAU

Жыл бұрын

@@lukedesmith Fair do's, I'll give it a bash. If you and Chord both give it a thumbs up I'm pretty safe.

@NarcissistAU

Жыл бұрын

@@s13gouf60 Aye, don't get me wrong, it's not the world's greatest injustice and I'm glad he's getting work, I just personally feel he's been in a lot of stuff where he was far and away the best bit. I think you're probably right about his agent.

All of my D&D campaigns were played from sober to mildly buzzed with a group of close friends, and this movie is pretty much what they were like. Good times. I don't need everything to be a critically acclaimed masterpiece. Around two hours of honest fun is a good "mid" baseline for a movie.

@Rumbanana

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. The movie didn’t need to be Lord of the Rings. As a matter of fact, that probably would have hurt it. The reviewer seems to believe playing D&D isn’t just goofy fun and should be taken seriously. That doesn’t sound fun at all.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

@@Rumbanana Right, that's why he opened up talking about how playing D&D is goofy fun. Makes total sense.

Long time pen & paper player and GM. I watched the movie recently and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Sorry, but I cannot agree with the gist of this video. Instead I do agree with the developers of the movie: We've had enough serious Lord of the Rings / Game of Thrones stuff. It's about time to get a fun fantasy movie. And they did it without getting too goofy like some of the marvel movies. While it is certainly not a perfect movie, I'd still give it 9 out of 10 and hope it will open the path for more D&D (or other RPG) adaptions.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

We've had enough? LotR is 20 years old and Game of Thrones shit the bed.

@marcohansen7937

Жыл бұрын

@@BWMagus How many other non-serious fantasy shows / movies do you know of ? I can only think of "Galavant" (which I liked, but it's way more on the goofy end of the spectrum). Serious shows / movies ? House of the Dragon, Rings of Power, Shadow and Bone, His dark Materiels, Wheel of Time, Witcher, The Green Knight and probably a lot more I can't think of right now. At least for myself, the time was right for the a movie like D&D that isn't grim-dark.

The visual effects were pretty good

Most people just need to learn not to analyze every GODAMN thing and just learn to have fun. Do y’all remember how to do that? Have fun? Who cares if it’s not fuckin perfect nothing is

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

Yes. We have fun analyzing things. Did I just blow your mind?

I think it looks like it would be fun to watch but I’m skeptical as to how well it will do at the box office. Although I have never played D&D.

I want drizzt! A serious and epic live action take. Would work so well as a series of movies.

Does the movie have Jeremy Irons hamming it up to an unhealthy degree? That would have made the movie a much better experience.

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

It goes one better and has Hugh Grant hamming it up. And I mean he hams it all the way up to 11 😂

@r.e.z9428

Жыл бұрын

@@thebatman4279 Hmmm, true, but does it challenge Irons level of ham? Where you can smell the bacon.

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

@@r.e.z9428 My memories of that film are very dim in general tbh as I last saw it 23 years ago. And i only watched it because me and my cousin were too late for The Emperor's New Groove 😓

@r.e.z9428

Жыл бұрын

@@thebatman4279 Another good movie.

If you aren't going to make the "fun-tasy" portmanteau, then why softball in the setup like that?

This movie was delightful and my first D&D set was a red box. And who would compare a movie to a game that evolves over months with your friends in a collaborative way? That's like comparing a sex scene in a movie to the first time you got laid. Weird take. I am sorry you didn't like it but it seems like there is no way any D&D movie could have pleased you. And I also think you missed the point. This needed to be the Lost Mines of Phandelver in movie form, and it was. Accessible to people who never played and piquing interest. I look forward to your full review.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

Why? He made it pretty clear his primary criticisms were in the writing, so why do you think no D&D movie could possibly have had better writing than this? I also find it funny you call it a "weird take" but this comment section is littered with people defending the movie for exactly that reason.

Unfortunately mid is about as good as we often get of late.

There is a vomiting of a word salad buffet in this review, that starts to lean in one way, that only partially contradicts itself by the end. I never went into film looking for LoTR's in D&D, because that hasn't been my experience at table when i've played TTRPGs. Yes, you can tell a much better story on the tabletop, because there you are going to have alot more time to flesh things out. You don't get that in movies unless you get to make many of them. Like Lord of the Rings. However, If the previous films of this Name sake were D and C tiers with a B in there at best. For me this movie was A tier movie. It was simplistic, but it had heart. Had moving moments with alot of fun and laughs, that yes sometimes did get Meta if your well versed in the lore and mechanics of the game. The fun never went over the line into Parody, and the motivations for most of the characters was well displayed. The movie does not require you to know the game to understand it and enjoy it. I think that is its biggest win. I thoroughly enjoyed the Warcraft movie, as I am an avid lover of its lore, and World of Warcraft myself. However, I think its biggest failing was that it assumed that those that those would see it would understand more about its lore, than most did. So it did not explain things that might of needed an explanation, and it forced things without giving appropriate build up to it. I found Honor Among Thieves did the opposite of this. it explained what needed to be explained, while keeping a levity to the moment, and not just beating you over the head with exposition to get the points across. The biggest example of this is the "Speak with the Dead" spell scene. right off the bat, it gives the info you need, then it proceeds into the bit to get the info the characters needed, while playing up the exact "real life" situation that most Players that are not experienced with that spell in game would/could end up doing. I was laughing through that entire scene, only for it to pay off again later on.

Thanks. I look forward to being mildly entertained!

Regarding fantasy as Serious or Fun, there's been a discussion about (the problem) how fantasy and sci/fi literature over the past 10 years has become increasingly serious and pretentious, and that we should reward/ promote stories that are Fun. While "superhero" films have turned into Joss Whedon circlejerking, films have long trended toward serious and pretentious and this has only gotten worse in the past 10 years. So in that context, whether or not this D&D film is good, we really do need more Fun movies outside the "superhero" genre.

The only reason I want to go see it is because I want one of those D20 popcorn buckets to store my dice in

"if your answer to epic fantasy's severity 'problem' is to treat epic fantasy as a marvel film, you have perhaps misidentified the problem to begin with" I've been a fan of marvel and dc comics since I learned how to read. I still despise the MCU for making people think most superhero stories are action-comedy.

It kinda feels like these movies are going through an arc themselves like, from awful to mid to idk great and then masterpiece? 🤔

I HATED this movie. It was like releasing a Family Guy episode of D&D and then going ‘there’s D&D, happy?’

The film is released already?

I really liked it!

Awesome movie. FUN 😃

Th biggest flaw might be that everyone will play Druid in D&D after watching this movie and become disappointed that is much more limited than we are seeing in the movie. I do respect that that it is doing its own thing instead being a serious LOTR clone movie set in a D&D world. RPG:s are very much about having fun.

I thought the movie was great and completely agree with the writers on the comedic direction. Theres always plenty of laughs to be had at the table regardless of how "serious" the dm trys to make the story. I guess in comparison to 10 plus hour games like baldurs gate or neverwinter knights it might be lacking in story but not every movie needs to be a storytelling masterpiece inorder to be good.....

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

“Not every movie needs a good story” - I’m so sick of this non-argument. Would you rather have a fun movie with no story, or a fun movie with a great story?

@cancerconnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

​​@@LostChord I disagree, I thought the story was pretty good honestly... And there 'was' a story, it just wasn't a GRAND story... And honestly, it didn't need to be one for a movie runtime experience.

@sgtbeercanyt

Жыл бұрын

@LostChord I never said the story wasn't good just that of course it isn't going to be as in depth as the dnd games with 10 plus hour stories that you tried to compare it to.... Personally I thought they did a good job balancing the story for both your casual viewer and dnd enjoyer. My dad who's been playing since the 80s loved it

@cancerconnoisseur

Жыл бұрын

@@sgtbeercanyt I also think Chord mischaracterizes of a few aspects. Like, this movie doesn't feel like a whole campaign, but the first part of one. The sorceress isn't the Big Bad Evil Guy, she's a minion of The Big Bad Evil Guy. The motivation behind Chris Pine's character stays pretty solid throughout, and the story never really veers away from it's goal or the goals of the characters. This isn't a "party of companions team up to save the world", it's "dysfunctional party of seemingly incompatible individuals come together for a goal, but then after achieving their goal realize "okay so maybe we should actually help a bit, because if we don't, who will?" which is... Kinda the launch point for many DnD games. The party doesn't start off with the massive goal of "taking on the BBEG and saving the world" but that's where they end up. And that feels like where the story is heading. Whether they leave the movie as a one shot or make sequels to it, it captures the feel of "That first few campaigns and conclusion of a character's backstory-driven quest that, now that they've overcome it, can now move forward without the baggage they used to carry wherever they might go next". We don't even have to see it, but that's what the story implies... And that's all it really needs to, I think. And i think that because of this, it actually avoids the pitfall of DnD movies and game adaptations in general of trying to cram too much into too short of a runtime.

@sgtbeercanyt

Жыл бұрын

@@cancerconnoisseur Solid take

I liked it enough to want to see more of it despite its glaring problems.Probably won't though.

I remember having mixed feelings upon seeing the trailer make the film feel like GOTG knockoff. And sadly those feelings got confirmed by the actual film as the wackiness and creativity seen in campaigns undermined any emotional sincerity

It was funny and I enjoyed it. Not a stellar movie but good if you need a laugh.

I think the fundamental mistake is basing a movie on 'dungeons & dragons', which is ultimately just a rules system. It would be far better to adapt d&d novels such as Dragonlance or drizzt. Also, given that non fantasy fans can treat the genre as childish, I think a more serious story would be better

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

think of it as another D&D story like the Drizzt and Dragonlance novels. It's not an adaptation, just a story set in that universe. It would be awesome to see the Drizzt novels adapted to the big screen though. I'd pay to see that.

@Backfromthedeadguy

Жыл бұрын

No it wouldn’t. You would be pissed off if not exactly like in the books. This movie was almost flawless in its execution and opened the possibility of a huge franchise without the baggage of expectation.

Angry Joe gave it 10/10. Based on the trailer though, it doesn't really get me to watch it even when it comes to streaming.

@henkhenkste6076

Жыл бұрын

angry joe is a braindamaged idiot

@henkhenkste6076

Жыл бұрын

angry joe is borderline tarded

OK, so yes. Finding a better game with my son and his friends. Right now, I am apparently a mechanic living on the edge of space station.

0:45 omg, you actually have played dnd XD

I need some background what is little platoons familiarity with Dnd

One of the best new movies I've seen in the last 5 or so years. It only being quite good says alot about the state of Hollywood...

Recovering the Buttplug of Hope from the Rectum Sanctum of Xanathar? Goddamn, I missed out on that campaign. Was that set in The Forgotten Realms? I bet Elminster was hiding it in his "prison purse." 🤔

Can we leave the Sword Coast yet? I mean there's a huge world and everything is always in one region it's getting like all Alien invasion movies attacking America when there's the rest of the world.

Yeah, it WAS ok, but any campaign I have been is would make a better movie

Why is Rincewinds Luggage in a D&D trailer?

Your viewer Nummer is the Definition of mid

I guess you have to be a D&D player to get this movie. 🤔

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

Nah. I think you’d understand a few of the name references and visual clues, but if anything, the most notable aspect of the film is how it’s hollowed out - it had a huge wealth of material to draw on and gave us Generic Fantasy 101.

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

Not really. You may not catch the easter eggs or subtle nods, but none of that effects the plot at all. You could still watch it and understand what is happening.

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

Never played D&D in my life and had a fantastic time. It's very accessible to people like me who aren't accustomed to the mythology.

@lukedesmith

Жыл бұрын

@@thebatman4279 having seen the movie, would you say you are more or less interested in the game, or did it have no effect either way?

@thebatman4279

Жыл бұрын

@@lukedesmith I wouldn't say I have much desire to look further into the mythology and D&D universe but it certainly seems very interesting. Might just a problem on my behalf though and my painfully short attention span 😂. I was extremely into the Lord of the Rings universe 20 years ago and this seems just as enthralling. Maybe I'm just too old lol.

I'm not going to try and defend it, the movie felt like a pickup game of four noobs with an a hole dm running a forgotten realms campaign

Why don't they adapt a wildly popular D&D story instead of making their own crap? Dragonlance (if don faithfully) would make for an unbelievable set of films (or streaming series).

It’s better than mid bro… u got to judge it based on the bad propagandist “The Message” movies that has became the new norm now…

I don't understand why they can't make a good DnD movie. The cartoon was literally a game 0f DnD between friends animated and it was good. Just get any of the official prr'made game books and make them a movie, just one module yhat is already written just waiting for characters to go through it and dice to be rolled.

But it looks divers though!

I'm afraid I can't agree much with the conclusion It wasn't just tying to tell a character story around Pine. It was trying to tell a Dungeons and Dragons story. One told by a somewhat inexperienced DM (hence the DMPC encounter, structure, and way it handled pacing) and one player that tends to dominate the conversation. They all had arcs and moments because they're all player characters, and the big bad being a generic big bad was because no character was supposed to be the main one even if one took that role It did exactly what it wanted to do: tell a story in the Forgotten Realms following a group of heroes trying to complete an overarching quest and dealing with their personal quests in the process

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

I never said it was *just* trying to tell a character story around Pine. The rest of your comment seems to me purely descriptive, not evaluative.

@joesmutz9287

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord Fair enough The reason I aim for descriptive is because there's a "that's why I say it was good" I try to imply at the end Namely "these are the things it did that I believe work in it's favor and in return define it's quality"

I really enjoyed the movie it was a lot of fun reminded me of some of the 80s fantasy movies i watched like krull legend and dragonslayer

Honestly, the only comparison movie it should possibly be compared to is the World of Warcraft movie that came out a few years ago. Both are movies based on games set in a fantasy world with hundreds of hours of lore trying to make a 2 and some hour movie out of it. Though somehow that still feels wrong to the people who made the World of Warcraft movie.

@BWMagus

Жыл бұрын

But Warcraft has existing plots; DnD is mostly just tools to setup your own stories.

Having played the Neverwinter MMO I couldn't help wondering why they didn't base this off of that so Sofina is Valendra with the cast taking roles of characters used for the tutorial? Until I've watched this properly I can only assume Midnights Edge is right and the writers simply sex changed a couple of characters to fit that rubbish about emasculating their lead. Well until I watch this best wishes to everyone.

I'll take mid over a woke trophy piece.