I think people perhaps tend to mix "I enjoyed it therefore it was good" and "I enjoyed it despite the obvious flaws."

@CabezasDePescado

Жыл бұрын

People mix up what they like with what is good, the movie is fine and is a great spectacle

@dr.ocdocman6320

Жыл бұрын

Its just an argument of someone who didn’t enjoy it, don’t gotta make a generalized statement about god knows what

@notacompleteidiot...1285

Жыл бұрын

You can enjoy something that isn't "good". (I do that a lot) The intellectual gymnastics start when people can't distinguish between "good" and "popular". Much like many people can't seem to separate "successful" and "good". Just because people like it, doesn't make it good. And just because it made buhjillions of dollars, doesn't make it good. Not to mention the weird solipsism surrounding how offended certain people get when you challenge something they think is "good". 🤷

@808hearmannxea2

Жыл бұрын

@@notacompleteidiot...1285 The fandom of avatar kept quiet for years and their movie was made fun of everywhere and never said a word now that a new movie of the franchise is out y'all instantly shit on our new bit of our interest and you shit all over it. Never once have we started bullshit now you guys are so angry at your own interest you would come and ruin it for those who haven't done anything besides enjoy a movie, now all of us people are now clowns apparently, if you don't like the movie move on and let others enjoy it, I f-ckin hated Wednesday but others enjoyed so I ignored it. Why can't you? Because your angry things can have success.

@benjaminrockhill8356

Жыл бұрын

I think where the confusion comes in is when a majority of the critics and fans have universal praise for something. Avatar is supposed to be an immersive spectacle. That’s all it sets out to do and I think it succeeds. In a way Top Gun on face value is not a good movie but when you watch it and feel the immersion and spectacle it changes it. Almost how you can’t judge a musical on standard movie criticisms I think spectacles should be judged in a different way

'Representing the Lobotomized' would be a good way of describing people that will shut off their brains to watch something.

@CleverGirlAAH

5 ай бұрын

They are this way... because of the Star Wars prequels. It's all down stream of people who grew up with them, therefore they are good.

@reggielacey2235

5 ай бұрын

its a good movie

"Visually stunning and made a lot of money". -My ex wife (when peole ask her why did she marry me in the first place)

@domtom9594

Жыл бұрын

we all know you don't have a wife buddy. The fact it made a lot of money and outranking current big movies in 2023 is prideful definition of successful bud.

@Mike_Goldberg

Жыл бұрын

I highly even doubt you even had a nice night with an escort…..

@spendsshanks6050

Жыл бұрын

@@domtom9594Damn you sound mad like a clown lol

@domtom9594

Жыл бұрын

@@spendsshanks6050 you literally using a bot? 🥴🥴

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Avatar 2.

@tsdobbi

Жыл бұрын

Ah the classic "you just aren't intelligent/cultured enough to understand the film". Usually said by someone with a GED and a night shift at a gas station.

@SHVRWK

Жыл бұрын

So basically none of these anti-SJW/ incel doomers? Gotcha lol

@SHVRWK

Жыл бұрын

@@tsdobbi Working at a gas station/having a GED and having high IQ are not mutually exclusive unlike making shitty youtube videos where you bitch and moan about stuff you didn't like in every single video you upload. We all worked humble and honest jobs at some point, even rocket scientists.

@despooked

Жыл бұрын

You need to have a soul and all your brain synapses intact.

@larryfoulkeofficial8609

Жыл бұрын

@@tsdobbi it's a joke smh

"But your criticism of a film is insisting that I have no right to enjoy it!" - actual comments on your last video about The Way of Water Criticism doesn't preclude you from having a guilty pleasure in enjoying mediocre and bad movies. I like the star wars prequels and they are objectively bad movies with great themes and concepts but bad execution. I actually enjoy listening to people roast the shit out of those films and other bad movies I enjoy.

@Dharengo

Жыл бұрын

I would argue that it doesn't even have to be a guilty pleasure. Different people can want different things from a movie. And I don't think I can deny that there are things the movie does well. If those things happen to be things you care about, who is anyone to argue? The video might criticise the writing and want certain things of the writing that the film doesn't have, and that's completely valid. I even agree with it, personally. But to say "it's ok to like bad movies" sounds rather arrogant. "Bad" is a value judgment and therefore subjective. "Objectively bad" is therefore a paradox.

Themes in movies are not a bonus nor a detraction to a movie, You can have movies with strong themes that are shitty and movies without any theme that are great, Themes in movies are like car chases, They can be or not be in a film without having any bearing on the quality of the film.

@cryptodino3roberts712

Жыл бұрын

I kinda disagree

@CaptainFracture

Жыл бұрын

How does this make any sense, for anything to have a plot it has a “theme” whether you like it or not. If its a good movie chances are the theme was done well. The word themes is also very subjective so it can practically be anything

It's bizarre that people actively brag about how they spent money to sit in a dark theater with their brain off, mindlessly enjoying the pretty colors and special effects, and act like that's some kind of own

@TulkunRider

Жыл бұрын

What's bizarre is the way you thinking

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Jokes on them, all I have to do to enjoy my time is shove crayons up my nose and sit drooling in the corner.

@intello8953

Жыл бұрын

Lmao isn’t what cinema and movie watching is for? Regardless if it’s in the Cinema or at home?🤨. Am I missing something or are you actually trolling

@nadirqg

Жыл бұрын

Excuse them for having fun

@agent-cupcake

Жыл бұрын

@@intello8953 I disagree that brainless enjoyment is the best that art, cinema or otherwise, should aspire to be, but that's not even what my comment is saying. Turn your brain back on and try to find where I said the words "actively brag" because that is the behavior I'm talking about, not the act of mindlessly enjoying something. There are plenty of dumb things I enjoy, but it would be ridiculous to defend them on that experience. I don't actually care about this movie or if people enjoyed it, I just think that it's silly to comment on thought out analysis that this brave new world media consumption is somehow a counterargument, and especially like you've achieved some enlightened understanding of film. I know everything online devolves into petty arguments but I actually agree with your statement for some people, and that's not what I said

While visuals are a component of a movie’s quality, it’s a rather insignificant one in comparison to story and character, hence why many older action films are held in higher regard than their newer flashier counterparts. It’s like judging a car, the interior design is important and must be passable, but when push comes to shove the engine and it’s handling are what really matters

@blindlobster

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but it's not the movie's script or writing that sells tickets... because people don't get to experience the script/writing until the people have already purchased their tickets. The writing determines a good movie but the actors and graphics determine a popular/successful movie, its sad but true.

The clapping seal at 4:40 got me

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

My cat was transfixed by that. LOL.

But it made a squillion dollars so lol😂😂😂😂

@anonman8661

Жыл бұрын

I doubt it'll make a morbillion dollars

@SHVRWK

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, 2 billion and 92% on rottentomatoes(audience score not journalists) is pretty good. It's just that pretentious losers/Marvel nerds are jumping on the hate bandwagon because the movie is crushing their moronic expectations. No constructive criticism or nuance, just contrarianism.

@cyanide9488

Жыл бұрын

@@SHVRWK I am one of those old marvel fans. I am crying myself to sleep every time I watch an new marvel movie foolishly expecting it to be good again.

@SHVRWK

Жыл бұрын

@@cyanide9488 I was one too haha during my late teenagehood but I only liked the first Iron Man movie, Logan, Deadpool etc.(the more mature movies)

@cyanide9488

Жыл бұрын

@@SHVRWK yeah I get it. For example I love the dr strange character and I love Benedict cumberbatch but in the new movies I just hate everything about it. So stupid

Morbius made a morbilion of dollar, this makes It one of the movies of all time

I'm so looking forward to the full review. (and the Discovery review, if they ever let you)

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

He finally did it!

Regarding what the argument that you made about popularity, I totally agree with you. Saying that it made a lot of money therefore it's good is one of the worst arguments that someone can bring up. However, I do not agree with what you said about Avatar taking "the entire plot of an old work and simply slaping a new paint on it". What do you mean? Are you talking about Pocahontas again? That does not make sense. We could use the exact same argument to describe George Lucas' Star Wars by simply changing a few words on your video script. But then you would say "you are disregarding all the races he created, all the planets he created, all the characters with different POV's, all the tools..." wich is exactly what you do with Avatar. As I said in another comment, and I stand by it, if you strip a story of all that makes it unique than yeah it is very similar to previous works. Like if you strip Harry Potter of all it's characters, worldbuilding, magic system, etc, you get a very tipical chosen one trope, or a tipical good vs evil. Or if you strip A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) of all that makes it special you end up with english history. Or if you strip Lord of the Rings of everything you end up with a legend very similar of previous british legends. What you do is that just because it is Avatar you don't care he mixed space, with human wars over the years, with religion, with indigenous races, with dinossaurish creatures, with a kind of "chosen one" trope, with characters that come each from a writer sitting down and looking at the plot and creating characters based all the perspectives he could think of based on the issue. Because of this, in the same way you think some of the arguments of people defending Avatar are bad, I think you argument is also fallacious.

@foabmoab

Жыл бұрын

Wait until he sees the video that compares A New Hope's trench run with the likes of Dambusters and discovers it is literally shot for shot, line for line at times. Or that the original Halo is shockingly close to Aliens.

@luissimoes2645

Жыл бұрын

@@foabmoab exactly. What he basically does with Avatar is saying "Counter Strike is a copy of Call of Duty because they are both gun games and therefore CS is bad" uhm yeah if you strip them off everything that makes them different, they are very similar. And then what he does with Star Wars is basically saying "Star Wars Battlefront is a very different from a Battlefield game because they have completely different vehicles, weapons and setting and therefore its good" uhm yeah it is good and what makes Star Wars Battlefront different form a Battlefield is that it is Star Wars but what he is doing is only pointing out the similarities on the first example and completely ignoring the similarities on the other example.

@jesserochon3103

Жыл бұрын

Fuck the haters. Avatar 2 was metal I loved it. And I own over a thousand movies.

@CabezasDePescado

Жыл бұрын

Agree, the Star Wars and Avatar comparison doesnt make much sense to me, they are stories that have been told literally for thousands of years.

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

Characters? Complete trash. Nobody has any layers to them besides General Mandible in the first one and they stripped that away in service of their tripe pocahontas plot. Arguably Spider had a some layers to him but the movie didn't know what it was doing with him. World-building? Shallow and uninteresting, with a hefty side of nonsensical. We need whale brain-juice even though we can transfer our brains into clones. Colonizers bad. Noble savages good. Even pocahontas with it's noble savage nonsense did a better job, and at least they didn't go back for seconds just to rehash the same plot for 3 more hours. (Well, they might have in some direct-to-video sequel, but at least nobody is claiming that pocahontas 2 was great) Get a grip.

I notice many ignore the box office revenue is made of of fewer more expensive ticket sales. The number of people occupying the seats is less even though the take home revenue is high.

@domtom9594

Жыл бұрын

Possibly because you went at bad time?

@MediumRareOpinions

Жыл бұрын

@@domtom9594 this isn't an anecdotal thing about my experience, it's the general trend for movie ticket sales across the board. Prices are up but sales are down which is misleading when box office revenue is used to rank a films success against past films. Its not a relevant comparison when the relative prices for the tickets between now and then have increased significantly.

@gregbors8364

Жыл бұрын

Of course modern movies are the highest-grossing because of inflation and ticket prices (you get it). The movie which is thought to have had the most viewers in theaters is “Gone With the Wind,” which is nowhere near the top 100 films in gross revenue

@mansolo3183

Жыл бұрын

But it's on track to have the most admissions in every country this decade.

@MrDeone365

Жыл бұрын

@@MediumRareOpinionsI mean whats your point. Why is everyone pointing this out specifically for avatar. I never heard this argument for Top Gun or spiderman. 1.8 billion and counting is good. Money is money.

Saw it last night. It wasn’t as dumb as the first one. Actually, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can simultaneously understand that it wasn’t very good and also have had a great time.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

It looked meh from the trailers and seems about as average as the first one

@JayJay5244

Жыл бұрын

I think it was way way dumber than the first one. The first is basically a dances with wolves but with blue people. The second movie made so much less sense imo… I have so many questions about the plot, it’s full of holes and stupid things…

@ericvazquez2225

Жыл бұрын

You're tripping homie.as an artist who actively stays away from the woke shit, and who has coincidentally stayed away from most things The masses hype up for no reason, The first one from beginning to end was a masterpiece. From the way scenes were displayed, duologue ect. It had an insane amount of heart behind it. Now the second one was entertaining, but it definitely lacked in alot of areas, but still enjoyable

@f1jones544

Жыл бұрын

@@JayJay5244 agreed. Nothing about this movie made sense. Why did Scully's family need other people? Pandora offers everything, go live as recluses, safe grub everything because only family matters or something. If all of Big Bad's memories (I still can't remember his name after two movies) were in his backup, why would he have no feelings for his son yet still hold a grudge against Sully? Why do the human colonists land within a click of the very same Navi tribe that caused so much trouble for you when there's this big planet when there's no strategic necessity to do so? It felt like Mass Effect, where you need to land at the right place to make the game work, but that isn't a fleshed out movie. Almost every vignette in this movie had me saying, "Wait, what? But..."

@stevepickford3004

Жыл бұрын

@@ericvazquez2225 masterpiece! It's you that must be tripping.

I can't believe this movie blue-washed a black woman... I had no idea...😔

I think what makes me so mad is they had good ideas but executed shot. Seriously for years people have been theorising miles had family and what storylines they could have yet we got spider who was crap

Avatar doesn’t even have good themes, It’s just “Humans evil, Aliens good. Protect nature”, It’s about as deep as a childrens book

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

It’s a 90s cartoon movie that somehow was released in 2022

@SGresponse

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 Captain Planet & The Smurfs crossover?

@LukeLovesRose

Жыл бұрын

And surprise, surprise. It's mostly a cartoon

@groxiverde

Жыл бұрын

Okay and? That doesn't mean the film is bad. Action scenes, CGI, music, 3D, the pacing, everything else is fantastic

@miguelpalmaramires370

Жыл бұрын

this is pretty subjective tho. i can easily say these themes u just counted are good and the agrument is over

This movie was laughably more racist than the first one and then it had every fish movie reference under the sun from Jaws and deep blue sea to Moby Dick and Free Willy. There are even references to The Fifth Element

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Gotta pander to the nostalgia of the 90s somehow, even if it sucks

@pericyerima2466

Жыл бұрын

Racist?

@madambutterfly1997

Жыл бұрын

@@pericyerima2466 the chief str8 up says "we are sea people you are forest people" or how his wife pointed out the extra fingers "look, they have demon blood"

@pericyerima2466

Жыл бұрын

@@madambutterfly1997 is this not how primitive tribal societies would act? You pointing this out only highlights the attention to detail that was infused in the film. And racist characters within a film does not make the movie itself a racist film.

@musakamara4157

Жыл бұрын

@@madambutterfly1997 you sound absurd, they're literally mixed with human genes (which are alien) so they don't look normal to the native Na'vi.

So they’ve covered Air and Water, if the next 2 movies are about earth and fire while being called Avatar the defenders will still say it’s no ripping anything off 😂

@thesexyskywalker3283

Жыл бұрын

James Cameron had the term "Avatar" copyrighted before The Last Airbender was even conceived. In fact, Avatar: The Last Airbender had to add "The Last Airbender" to the title because of this. So this was first and its purely coincidental that they may even share similar themes of the elements, because Cameron also had a plan to cover air, water, fire etc.

@aztro4010

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being stupid and not knowing that James Cameron had the idea of Avatar since the mid 90s so he had the name first.

Has anyone else experienced comments getting erased on KZread as a whole recently?

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Me

@CRAZYMUGMAN

Жыл бұрын

been seeing that happen for years now, i can't swear anymore or it will get deleted automatically.

@metalmayfantasy

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 Yeah, I made a comment on this channel a few minutes ago (and a few others on other channels) that I suppose you can take as offensive, but I'm just speaking my mind, and when I receive a notification of a like or comment on mine then I can't find my own comment. It's like the KZread overlords has a list of words you cannot use or it will get deleted.

@davidcatlett4052

Жыл бұрын

@@CRAZYMUGMAN Whenever I curse, I use asterisks in some letters of the word.

@SGresponse

Жыл бұрын

Boooo! Conspiracy! Swearwords baaaaad!... Yeah, that's frankly fucking insane if you ask me. There are two explanations to what had happened to you: - Shadda-ban: the creator himself puts the video into a moderated commenting mode where your comment is not seen by anyone else except the channel owner up until he allows it. You can see it, so you're assuming that it's there for others to see to - but you're wrong. The best Shadda-ban comment forums are on Renegade Cut's channel. He only allows criticism if it's really fucking bad and easily refutable and/or blatantly offensive so as to paint a picture of all his detractors being stupid assholes. - OP deleted the thread. In any case there is a feature to list all your KZread comments and - lo and behold - the one where I tell Chord to get fucked sideways with a cock is still there in all its glorious offensiveness.

You can like a film you know is bad... I love lots of bad films, just... don't pretend it's good just because you like it...

@pericyerima2466

Жыл бұрын

What determines if a film is good?

@MrDeone365

Жыл бұрын

Avatar 2 isn’t a shit film though.

@musakamara4157

Жыл бұрын

The don't tell me a movie is shit just because you didn't like it.

@reggielacey2235

5 ай бұрын

it is good

@xthelegend89

5 ай бұрын

I mean, if pompous individuals would stop pretending they are the arbiter of what is “good” and what is “bad” when it comes to cinema, perhaps this would be less of a problem. For instance, I despised The Florida Project, but I don’t declare that everyone must accept it is bad because of my personal view.

Innovation: George Lucas star wars a new hope. Derivation: Disney star wars the force awakens.

This is going right into the Favorites list for referencing adapting and creating.

Did you just use footage from the underated Avatar tie in game? Nice.

I haven't actually seen the film, but I have been paying attention to its box office, and I was thinking about this the other day... James Cameron IS a good filmmaker, and a very successful one. He can do well-written stories that explore deep themes when he chooses to. Terminator 2 would not exist if he couldn't. So, what explains the Avatar series (the first of which I have seen, and it had a pretty mediocre story)? I think it is that he knows exactly what he is delivering to the audience, and considering his streak of successes, I'd go as far as to say that he knows how to weaponize what he is delivering for maximum effect. Avatar was a visual spectacle that took us to a new world, and this is the same thing. And I'll bet that was ALL that was focused on during production. It was fined-tuned to the point of weaponization - anything that got in the way of it was tossed away, including the finer points of storytelling. I don't think this is a case of Cameron dropping the ball, because I don't think he did - I think he made a very deliberate choice about what the movie was going to be, and made absolutely sure that it was that thing. Now, assuming I'm right, and the lack of focus on storytelling to weaponize the visual experience was a deliberate choice, this might make the implications worse rather than better. But, I think that writing it off as a just a bad movie that everybody likes is a big mistake - I think it was a product that was finely crafted to be extremely good at exactly one thing, and its success comes from being extremely good at that one thing.

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

Avatar 2 was "... finely crafted to be good at one thing." Your comment is very thoughtful and well-written. The quote above reminded me of the Two Towers when Aragorn shows up at Helms Deep after having seen the Uruk-hai army ("all Isengard is emptied.") He adds, "It is an army bred for a single purpose: To destroy the world of men." I guess Cameron's purpose was a) less sinister, and b) to create a popular and commercially successful movie, but c) he must almost certainly have also been thinking of his legacy.

@stevepickford3004

Жыл бұрын

It's an interesting theory but I think you are cherry picking some of his previous work. Not everything is T2. Some real garbage in there too.

@luissimoes2645

Жыл бұрын

I agree with most of what you just said. But I don't think that anything that got in the way of the visual experience was tossed away, including the finer points of storytelling, specially after watching all the deleted scenes. Some of them fleshed out a bit more some characters but others would have been a special and trippy visual spectacle like one where Jake does a Omaticaya ritual. Also, I think that if that was the case, we wouldn't have so much lab scenes in the first movie. Specially since humans have access to a closed zone but still large, kind of like a backyard (where we Jake run after he got his Avatar body), where they can teach and learn.

@jesseirwin8415

Жыл бұрын

I hear you, interesting point but why?…. Why deliberately write a bad story if you have the ability, time and talent to write a good one? Avatars success would only have been more so if it had bothered to check that box As well would it have not?

@cloud2451

Жыл бұрын

@@connorcoco2152 lol saying avatar is only good visual effects and no plot when it’s one of the only blockbuster that display beautiful cultures, connection with nature, the spiritual journey, family, such a powerful message that goes over your heads for the sake of sounding different

I am tired of people trying to equate sales with quality. Just because people purchased tickets does not mean they enjoyed the movie they watched. Obviously!

My favorite part of Dances with Wolfe, Ferngully and Pocahontas is when they go to another planet light years away and meet the aliens, mount dragons with their hair, and fight with mech suits and conscious forests. I really love that part!

@TheCapedWanderer

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is claiming that Avatar steals its accessories from those films. The claim-which is flatly true and which you have absolutely no counterargumrnt against, that’s why you’re deflecting-is that Avatar stole EVERY BEAT OF ITS STORY from those films. Such a beat would be: the logging company employee gets turned into the form of the tree people. Or, he falls in love with the princess of the forest fairies. Or, the logging company tries to cut down the sacred tree, which houses the spiritual energy of the natives. Stop acting like a moron who can’t see the obvious.

@Dharengo

Жыл бұрын

@@AnilSingh-qb7iu Who told you to say this?

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

​@@AnilSingh-qb7iu and dances with the wolves is just at the play in the field of lord whats your point

@angelo423

Жыл бұрын

you must be one of those people that rule out anything animated as "show for kids" . You wouln't be able to understand the message even if someone beat you with it

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

@@AnilSingh-qb7iu no space ship no eywa no thanator no chracter like quarditch destruction of home tree yay there are thousands of differences

Dude, I don't know if I prefer you sarcastic or pissed of. Can't wait for the full review, thought I will probably watch the movie first (its the same dilema with wakanda forever). Wishes of a great year from here (🇵🇹 Portugal)

Can't wait for the full video!

@LostChord just so you know, the link to your main channel in the video description doesn't work.

There are ways to be aggressive in your argumentation without calling people who enjoyed a thing “brainless morons”

@sebastian11346

Жыл бұрын

He is aggressive and not very clever (or smart), bad mix.

@IdleDrifter

Жыл бұрын

In context. People saying they enjoyed a movie because they left their brains at the door. Yes. They are indeed brainless morons.

@phil_5430

Жыл бұрын

Well he is one of those people that wont dare to say that to people in real life so he has to do it here...

@HpArtcraft

Жыл бұрын

He's just another one of those negative clickbait reviewers that litter youtube.

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

*Well, stop listening to him. He is brainless just like his fellow KZread armchair critics who hate all movies.*

Oh I've had these arguments many times myself with people. It never ceases to amaze me how many excuses people will make for bad films with pathetic deflections that do not determine quality. I've seen many movies that espouse values I agree with that are awful movies objectively, irrespective of how many people liked it or much money it made. I'll go a step further. There are movies I've liked that I know are of poor quality. My only job is to be honest about it rather than offer up arbitrary defenses of these low quality movies.

@mosthated.e.2422

Жыл бұрын

What film have you made?

@gagalover2k10

Жыл бұрын

The reply to your comment is another hilarious 'argument' people use to defend shit movies/shows. Like you can easily just flip it on them and ask the same thing,,,it’s such a brain dead thing to say to someone. Also a lot of modern day 'writers' when they’re told their movie or whatever is shit by the majority of people they react like fucking five year olds and tell everyone they’re racists and bigots, no. You’re just a shit writer.

@DarthBalsamic

Жыл бұрын

@gagalover2k10 I saw it. I don't answer fools. The guy has so little self awareness that he goes ahead and does exactly what the video points out. It's wild. I muted him. Lol

@williamwallace4080

Жыл бұрын

Your honesty is subjective if what you're talking about is....subjective. Get off your high horse.

@DarthBalsamic

Жыл бұрын

@williamwallace4080 Yeah, no. None of that makes any sense. It also means you have zero standards and likely shill for straight-up trash coming out of Hollywood right now. Objectivity is definitely important to telling a cohesive story. The proper mechanics of storytelling is not subjective at all. The corporate industry are not even doing that correctly currently. This is why basic scrutiny makes their content fall apart so easily. Nice try though. I guess you're upset you had some of these terrible arguments from the video. You need to "subject" yourself to better stories. Lol

Well said, thank you.

I'm looking forward to the video. But I think people confuse subjects and themes and I wish someone would address this in film. "Family" is not a theme, it's a topic. The theme of any story is what the creator of that work is saying about that topic. If someone asks me what a movie is about, I will say, "This movie is about family and fatherhood". The theme is that "Family that works together is strong"(that's probably wrong. I refuse to watch this film. I hated the first Avatar). Themes are indeed subjective, but they are not so simple. The Last Jedi's theme wasn't "The past", because the Rian Johnson clearly meant to say, "the past is bad and should be destroyed". And just because a film HAS a subject doesn't mean it has themes about it. A movie might be about a family, making family one of the topics...but if the movie isn't really saying anything about family, then it's not a theme. I think people would be more critical of films if they thought more about what themes actually are(Not that even the most praiseworthy themes make movies any better, I fully agree with you on that). That's my two cents.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

Your movie can an aesop or a theme but the story and characters should matter the most

@TheCinemaElite

Жыл бұрын

You're asking a lot of people. Most people have the same opinion about all films when you ask them: "It was OK".

@tomektalk4671

Жыл бұрын

If you haven’t seen it why are you even commenting.

@Tyler_W

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the existence of themes don't make a good movie (all stories have themes on some level even if it's not the focus because themes give context to what's happening, they function similarly to how memory and the meaning we give to our past work in pepple's minds, I think), but I do also somewhat disagree. The existence of themes does not make something good because everything has themes, but the existence of good execution of those themes can make a movie good (or at least contribute), because good execution of themes implies the existence of competant writing in general.

It's pretty easy to make a billion when ticket prices are 3 times more expensive

@cloud2451

Жыл бұрын

You forget how many people refuse to go back in theatres after the pandemic. It’s unfortunate and it affected even the biggest franchises’ box office. So I’m happy seeing people go back in theater for Avatat

@joshua7015

Жыл бұрын

You're ignoring the fact that people are willing to pay more to see it in premium formats. So no, it isn't pretty easy otherwise other movies would see the same benefit which they don't

@emptyblank099a

Жыл бұрын

So easy yet only a handful have done it.

Context of this video: "That beloved movie is successful and I hate it!"

@Pigrain

Жыл бұрын

Just because something is beloved by some people doesn’t mean that you have to like it as well smartypants.

@steffimaier7297

Жыл бұрын

@@Pigrain Perfectly fine to dislike things, but don't force it onto other people and don't get mad at people who like the thing.

@steffimaier7297

Жыл бұрын

@@zogwort1522 And you freely chose to get offended over my comment.

@bakaseki

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect it’s more “this movie proves that our society moves ever closer to Brave New World and it’s depressing”

@larryfoulkeofficial8609

Жыл бұрын

This comment in a nutshell: "This movie made money therefore its good.",

I like to compare entertainment to food. A really good movie is like a Michelin star meal. The Avatar movies are like a hotdog at Disney World. It's not even necessarily the best hotdog you've had but you're at Disney World and still having a decent time.

@notacompleteidiot...1285

Жыл бұрын

That's a reasonable take. Unlike a lot I've seen here, today... 🤔

@palmoart

Жыл бұрын

Really? This take only hold if the Michelin Star Meal and the Hot Dog cost the same. But they don't, try another take which is not so mind numbingly stupid.

@eldestgruff

Жыл бұрын

@@palmoart oh I'm sorry I couldn't come up with a perfect one to one analogy, Rick Sanchez. I'll try harder in the future to match my opinion to whatever goofy shit you believe to be less "mind numbingly stupid". God your so smart it hurts to even be in your digital presence.

@notacompleteidiot...1285

Жыл бұрын

@@palmoart Of course going to Disneyland is going to cost more than a 5 star meal (maybe). But I don't think that's the point. The point is, what would you enjoy more? -The Disneyland hotdog (with the surrounding myriad experiences), or... -The movie in the theater. 🤔

When will the video on the main channel be released?

There is a difference between inspiration and creating something new or adding a unique twist to a populated story type, and than there is literally copying literal nonsense and somehow making it worse than it already was, hence why I still don't remember the first Avatar movie and saved a few bucks by not seeing the new one. 😑

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

The first avatar and this are the most overrated and mediocre movies ever made

@CRAZYMUGMAN

Жыл бұрын

the only thing i remember from avatar 2009 is the actual hero, quaritch. felt good seeing him punch that traitor jake.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@CRAZYMUGMAN👍👍. The humans were cooler than the aliens and even the humans were stock character tropes

@multiversetheory3231

Жыл бұрын

@@chasehedges6775 agreed, as a amateur writer it's annoying to see a story that focuses too much on visuals to avoid telling a actual story, but considering most movies in 2022 are like this it's not surprising that reading manga and novels, ( still saving up for Warhammer 40k Horus Heresy novels ) and also why big games are getting more attention since movies and series are boring and predictable.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

@@multiversetheory3231 Movies went down hill after 2015. 2016 was the beginning of the end for movies, imo

When will you upload full review?

You can have your own opinion about a movie, but to call other people who enjoyed the movie stupid is really low man

@mebpo8564

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure hes calling people who make stupid arguments stupid, not people who just enjoyed it and went on with their life.

@Dharengo

Жыл бұрын

People who enjoy the movie and are not stupid won't make dumb arguments in the comments.

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

​@@mebpo8564yay like he makes sensible argument star wars is literally hidden forester in space avatar and dances with the wolves have more difference and lying about avatar the way of water box office

@angelo423

Жыл бұрын

@@mebpo8564 so if you ask me something that sounds dumb to me, that automatically turns you into a dumbass? ok

The only thing keeping me from nodding off was that every time I tilted my head the 3D glasses would go blurry and force me upright again

@SmashKing17

Жыл бұрын

What why did you go see it. You don't think its better than AVATAR 1? Nodding off? How lol

@King-of-the-Brittons

Жыл бұрын

@@SmashKing17 went to see it because everyone kept telling me to I suppose, and no I don't think it was better, it was boring.

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

You sleep with your eyes open?

@King-of-the-Brittons

Жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919 no, but as one day you may learn an old person day nap starts with a slouch sideways

@MrDeone365

Жыл бұрын

@@insensitive919he’s lying bro. lol the haters just say things.

I’d like to hear you and the channel Local debate this film. You both are wicked smaat

Guy is fighting for his life to make his wrong opinion validated by saying everyone else in the world is wrong. Dude just take an L

the money argument says more about it's advertising, so ..

This is the sign of a petty man, he can't accept people liking the movie, it's rather pathetic

@vermis8344

Жыл бұрын

This is the sign of an insecure man, he can't accept people criticising the movie, it's rather pathetic.

@bricktop9486

Жыл бұрын

@@vermis8344 This is the sign of an insecure man, he can't accept people criticising other people who can't accept people liking the movie, it's rather pathetic.

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

Literally say the precise opposite in the video, you clown.

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

@@LostChord bruh just accept the movie doing good, its batter most movie beside top gun

@808hearmannxea2

Жыл бұрын

@@vermis8344 thank you for flagging yourself as insecure the comment section is now aware. Tread lightly my friend.

James Cameron is a thief. He stole the whole concept of Avatar from the book "Call Me Joe" by Poul Anderson.

I left before the end. It was paint by numbers on a paint by numbers page that was already painted.

It made money. Because people liked it. End of. Not that hard to understand man.

You may be right, but not everyone thinks this way. A lot of people just enjoy a beautiful movie with a resonant story. It’s entertainment and for me entertainment loses it’s value if we just sit there and dissect it. Besides if you’re always looking for flaws you’ll almost always find them. If you like it great. If you don’t fine. I’m preaching a little, but I think we over analyze entertainment sometimes and ruin it in a way.

@CabezasDePescado

Жыл бұрын

We are in the age of over analyzing and over thinking media, i dont think is a good trend or mindset to adopt. The fact that most movies we get are absolute trash certainly does not help either, but we should let ourselves go through the journey a movie takes us, that is what i always do and only when a movie truly is poorly written and something is actually not making sense within its internal logic (example, most of the mcu movies) is when i get taken out if the movie. This actually happened to me in Avatar 2 when all the water Navi suddenly dissapeared, that was an actual problem the movie had, but not big enough and otherwise i was completely lost in the film.

@insensitive919

Жыл бұрын

With this logic, why even have a museum full of art and sculptures of various meanings, periods, and styles? Just have 10 5-year-olds fingerpaint all over the walls for 2 hours and tell people to turn their brains off. Why have a steak once in a while when you can just eat chicken nuggets and tv dinners all the time? Should I just convince myself that TV dinners are swell so that I won't miss eating steak? That's what they call Nihilism, and it makes people miserable, not happier.

@tony9554

Жыл бұрын

When I drop $10 (and that’s the matinee price with senior discount) I expect a lot more than pretty colors and warmed over “woke” tropes

@CabezasDePescado

Жыл бұрын

@Anil Singh never said they should not share their opinions and yeah i get the threshold is different for everybody, but you have to go to enjoy art with an open mind and not thinking so much about how every little thing does not make sense, you can tear apart any movie that way but that is not the point, nowaday we see a lot of that and is just people going to a movie only to pick it apart

Insulting people for enjoying something is not a good move. Somr of the criticism on you may be unfair but insulting them is quite petty and insecure, i must say.

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

He juat mad that the movie doing well

@steffimaier7297

Жыл бұрын

He did the same thing Cl0wnfish did. After they got roasted in the comment section for their bad takes on Avatar; instead of taking the L, they doubled down by attacking their audience. Al those critic channels are the same and yet they claim that Avatar is unoriginal. LOL

4:50 you had me at Harry.

I think the answer is that the average persons life is so bland and boring that now people want some escapism. Interestingly, physical book purchases are higher than ever.

The game from 2010 had a better story than the movie, that seems like a problem.

I'm intrigued...

I think you can make a moral argument for film "themes". Like the Ethernal Jew is will be critisised, well deservtly, for it's themes, but it is true that it is not an argument when we talking about how well a film made but a meta argument for the film overall "value" as a pice of art. Both important, but different arguments in different context. (I don't saw the movie, the first one was a disgusting misantropic story about a traitor who massacred his own people for some blue anime cat girl)

I saw it Yea when i look back it’s mostly the same But i had a fun time watching the good graphics and the whale beating the ship up

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

But not for this youtuber callig poeple who like the movie are brainless moron that they left there on the door

It was the most boring 3 hours of my life, I felt more entertained when I sat at the dentist waiting room reading old gossip magazines. I felt nothing for the dude that died, they didn’t developed his character enough imo. I was laughing watching my friend cry at the “sad” scene. The lack of logic around Spider annoyed me soo much, also every single one of his lines made me cringe and every time I saw him on screen wearing just that thong I wanted to gauge my eyes out. The plot was no different from the first movie (foreigner needs to adapt to new way of life, bad humans want to destroy de planet for its resources, everyone must come together to fight the evil people) just this time they had more characters to go around which also made difficult to distinguish who was who

@TulkunRider

Жыл бұрын

I wasted 20 seconds from my life (+10 sec to write this) to read your trash opinion about the movie. So if u are feeling more entertained by a dentist room go shut your mouth.. uh i mean open it.. your Dentist must check for Caries lol

@hiddenone3234

Жыл бұрын

Who asked your stupid opinion?

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

Guy made a school essay

@idaniluz652

Жыл бұрын

Damn man, there are people here who just can't take it that you have a different opinion than them.

@TulkunRider

Жыл бұрын

@@idaniluz652 There is a difference between sharing an opinion and argumentation. There is a big rate of people always and I am saying this in general that just when they dislike something they make their point using meanness. So we answer with the same way

Man i love when ppl say "It's good when you turn off your brain while watching" without realising that they are literally admiting that the movie is bad, cause a good movie will be enjoyed both when you think about it and when you don't, but a bad movie can be only enjoyed when you don't think about it.

"Hey remember me, Benny Blanco from the Bronx?" God I miss good films...

I just watched your previous video on this channel about Avatar 2. I think it had 106,000 views and there were a lot of comments saying "You're wrong because it made money lol". These comments are understandably pesky as the writers are confusing commercial success with film quality. Regarding the people saying they turned off their brain, and therefore enjoyed it quite a lot: is it possible that you might be a little harsh on this group? Not everyone has the high standards and intellectual capacity you have. Imho if they are able to enjoy the movie they paid to see, good for them. Of course, if they leave ill-conceived and belittling comments, have at them! Thanks for the video! Looking forward to your full analysis! 🐠

@emptyblank099a

Жыл бұрын

They said that because he said he hopes the movie flopped in his title. Hes getting upset but he was antagonistic to the viewers. Ok he didn't like the film fine no need to hope it fails and bash people who like it.

@phil_5430

Жыл бұрын

"Not everyone has the high standards and intellectual capacity you have." I'm glad I dont have it. Otherwise I could never enjoy the movies that I love like: Fury Road, 300, Predator, Die Hard...... these are all movies that have a bad writing when you thing about it but still are a blast when you manage to not overthink their story and just enjoy what you see. Let others watch some indepentend French movie that were written by a depressed philosopher

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

@@emptyblank099a I understand how people can perceive him as being antagonistic to the viewers. I appreciate his biting wit even when I’m on the receiving end of a clever insult or two. I did wonder at the animosity he has towards this movie and the original, but I like to hear different points of view. I agree that there is no need to hope the movie fails. I’m glad when people find some entertainment that they like because there doesn’t seem to be as much selection of good entertainment than there used to be. 😀

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

@@phil_5430 what? You don’t like foreign films written by depressed philosophers? Even when they’re in black and white and have poorly translated subtitles? I think very few people have any genuine appreciation for that sort of thing! I’m definitely not one of them, but this KZread channel creator might be. I like his caustic style but I can easily understand why people might not. Pretty sure almost everybody, if they admit it or not, has some favourite movies which did not exactly receive critical acclaim, but are just fun, or funny, or bring back good memories. All of these are excellent reasons to rewatch them. (Re critical acclaim: Of course I’m referring to back in the day when critics were more honest about their opinions.) It’s only the very intellectual people, who were probably bullied for being nerds all of their life and who found refuge and likeminded nerds in university, who cannot admit to liking popular entertainment because their intellectual friends will look down on them. I met this student who tried to tell me baseball was the most popular sport in the world and I said politely that I’m pretty sure it’s actually soccer. He insisted that it was baseball and then he told me he watches a lot of games but only because he likes to calculate the probability of which type of pitch the pitcher will throw and if the batter will swing at it. I managed not to laugh! Uh, yeah, dude, you can just admit that you like to watch baseball. You don’t have to justify it intellectually. Not to me, anyway. He was the type who would pretend to like foreign movies with subtitles in order to sound smart, not because he actually liked them. Keep on enjoying what you like! 🙌😃

The younger actors were adorable and did a good job but this movie was so meh in every other aspect

@randomcenturion7264

Жыл бұрын

I admit, the younger actors did a great job.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍. They should have been the main characters but I doubt they would have been written well.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

⁠I especially thought the 2 young actresses, Bailey Bass and Trinity Bliss, were good and very adorable.

The first Avatar movie wasn't anything groundbreaking storywise. Visually? 100% For its time the first movie looked amazing, still does to be honest. I honestly felt like Avatar didn't need to have sequels made. Its one of those movies that its wonder comes from the very fact that its just 1 movie. Discovering Pandora for the first time, seeing these huge blue aliens, the flying dragons and floating rocks. It all serves as a good stand alone moment. Something that this second movie didn't have. You are limited in the water. Plus it didn't even have the same beauty as the first one.

Marvelous appetizer !....cheers.

Don't worry dude, someday you will find something you like and stop being a sad snob for a moment.

@zyzz5070

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! That is definitely an argument. OMG! How is gonna answer that?

@balls3583

Жыл бұрын

hes commenting dumbass not every comment has to be an argument, and ye hes a snob whos pretentious as shit and has serious superiority complex

@anothertarnishedone5960

Жыл бұрын

@@zyzz5070 you didn't. Also my comment is not an argument. Must be really sad thinking that everybody in the internet wants to argue with you.

@maghurt

Жыл бұрын

@@anothertarnishedone5960 And yet, you were compelled to reply, :)

@balls3583

Жыл бұрын

@@maghurt ye because he can and no ones bout to stop him 😊

I think there is a problem where it is easy to confuse films that are written to spite their audience and a film that's poorly put together. Avatar 2 has a lot of problems, but it's not trying to actively kick you in the groin like many modern movies. . It's fine to enjoy it, like a cheesy action flick.

To be honest, movie is an art of "moving pictures", and story is less important there than in books. That is why read books mostly. This year i saw 5 movies maybe. One of them was Avatar 2. And i quaete like it. Movies main goal is to show something exating to audience , and Avatar has something to show endeed. I thing Avatar is no worse and no better than any other j.cameron movies. Even classic like Aliens, Terminator 1-2, or Titanic. Have any of them amazing groundbreaking stories and characters? Nope. But they all have what we saw in last Avatar movie. Spectacle

I enjoyed the movie but i look forward to your review

Ngl u rly opened my eyes w this subject but what abt for account a movie is only popular because a lot of ppl like it ie avatar cus so many ppl watched and enjoyed it?🤔🤔🤔I feel like that’s smt 2 think abt

Yes

But, how did it make you feeeeeel?

Here’s a secret they won’t tell you. Some people like to nit pick and hate on popular things to make themselves feel smarter or special. They want the individuality. In this case they came into agreement in their internet social bubble that they were right about avatar “being garbage and how it would flop because nobody cares” Now that the movie is a huge success they either back pedal or say that the fans are dumb for saying the movie is good just because its making money. But thats the thing these weird rage baiters don’t understand. its not like all the fans who went out and saw the movie hated it and are trying to convince people its good because how well it’s doing at the box office. Or like rise of skywalker where many fans saw the movie so it made money but star wars fans hated it. Avatar fans are saying its good because we genuinely enjoyed the movie. I’ve seen it twice but i seriously know someone who has seen it over 5 times and cries every time. Just look at the audience score on rotten tomatoes. Your trying to make it seem like avatar fans want to convince you people that the movie is good because its making money when in reality it seems more like you’re trying to convince people that the movie is bad even though its making money. And I dont know if you expected Citizen Kane or Godfather but stop acting like the story is some unwatchable mess. Its a solid blockbuster spectacle.

@musakamara4157

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. I'm waiting for it to hit 2 billion to see all the haters cry about it.

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

@@musakamara4157 its gonna beat nwh avanger 3 and starwars to be at number 4

@mebpo8564

Жыл бұрын

Omg it made a gorillion dollars that definitely proves criticism of the movies writting is wrong

@Rox7ne

Жыл бұрын

To me, the fact it made money simply means it was entertaining 🤷🏻‍♀️ I've only watched it once but just yesterday the other ppl in my family watched it and they liked it so much, they want to take my grandma to the cinema (even tho she doesn't like it much) simply bcs the story is nice and easy to follow and the visuals are ofc nice. I can even say I'm a fan bcs I enjoy the universe of Pandora and what it can be, but I also know the story, characters and dialogue need more work too. However it's definitely not the flop or the "atrocity" some of these movie critics are making it to be imo. Nor is it necessary to sh*t on the fans sm to call them morons bcs personally, I saw some video essays on youtube explaining the 1st movie more in depth and I can now say that there's definitely more to it. I don't even mind watching it again. Yeah, it needs more development, but the idea is there and tbh the fact that James Cameron made it a passion project makes me interested. Bcs so many movies and series are simply made for the money (and that's fine too but it's getting to the point that making things for money is ruining franchises), that this passion project has my interest. So idk, ppl can sh*t on it, it may not be perfect, hell it may be lacking, but imo it's definitely entertaining (even if the degrees vary) to the point it's also selling sm. 🤷🏻‍♀️ No need to hate on it sm simply bcs it's not "worthy" when there's many movies you can argue about that too. It's not the end of the world lol if Cameron is planning 6+ movies and dedicated 10+ yrs I'd say to at least give him 3 movies to show it. It's not like we all love ALL the marvel movies. We also needed to see like- 4 movies before Avengers and even then maybe a (in Avatar) problem is that there's too many characters and little time to develop them but it's a bit of the same idea, I guess. If ppl didn't need to see the movies before Avengers it's bcs they knew the characters, everything from Avatar is new so there's that. James Cameron may be arrogant but even he knows that if the 3rd movie flops, he won't continue. So it's more of a "lets wait and see".

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

@@Rox7ne fun fact avatar 4 & 5 are greenlit

this guy will never amount to anything, as do all critics

Awesome video as usual, can’t wait for the full upload. I think there is also something to be said for how the themes are delivered and how they are utilized. Top Gun: Maverick had pretty simple themes, but they were delivered in a manner that felt real and genuine, and that the audience could support. The Way of Water delivers its themes with all the subtlety of an Atom bomb, the most important being “Humans BAD, Smurfs PERFECT!”

@neilvannatta2520

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking the humans bad/Na'vi good aspect is a setup that will be torn down in the next movies. Neytiri already hates humans and will go straight up insane when she finds out Spider saved Quaritch. I'll bet rebel humans will add into the mix trying to take down the corporation and we already know we're going to meet some evil Na'vi in the next film. And of course Avatar 2 was originally just the first half of a script. So originally we would have come across the bad Na'vi in this movie, prob after all the tranquil parts

@usauk3605

Жыл бұрын

Good point, and I hope you are right, as that could lead to some interesting conflicts in the story. I would like to see the world of Avatar with a little more nuance.

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

lmao imagine relying on these youtube armchair critics to form your opinion

These videos should be called Puny P's Ponce Perspective

Hello, not sure you will respond to this, or even see it, but on the charge of the movie copying the plot of other movies (Presumably, Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves) without 'deviations' which Star Wars has, would you not consider the first movies plot of humans inhabiting alien bodies a deviation? Or the God of the people being an objective and measurable presence within the universe? Or the connection between the peoples biology and the biology of the world around them and how that plays into the plot? Not trying to be toxic or anything just trying to understand your position. Or anyone else's position who agrees.

While Star Wars is at times derivative of its influences it was also iterative, while the Avatar series are just derivative. Case in point: why would Sully Smurf step down as his tribe's Chief "to save his family" when he could just lead them to fight a 2nd war against the RDA? Because Cameron only knows how to write a film where Jake is a rookie learning the ways of this alien world, and if he doesn't repeat those story points in the same order he can't write the script. Here's some 10 cent advice that could have gotten the 2nd script done quick: why not make the sequels the stories of Sully Smurf's kids as they spread out across Pandora to meet the other tribes and build an even bigger army to defeat the Fire Nation--sorry-RDA? Cameron wants to see a middle-aged dad move across the country to start all over again because he's mentally preparing for his next career in food service? (Don't forget James, you gotta ask if we want fries with that)

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

Star wars did nothing new

As much as I agree with these points, it's really mean-spirited to put people down for enjoying a movie or even making bad arguments in its defense. Yes it's a bad movie, but I'm not condoning you blatantly insulting people for it. That reeks of pretension.

@ToriHiragana

Жыл бұрын

They’re idiots and he is smarter then you…🤷🏻‍♀️

@TheZachary86

Жыл бұрын

This guy is somewhat of a film snob. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has “the English patient” in his film collection

@notacompleteidiot...1285

Жыл бұрын

I'm more than halfway through this video. Haven't seen these mean-spirited comments that "put people down for enjoying a movie". 🤔 I might be inclined to agree he is a tad flowery with his words. But as of the 4 minute mark, I detect no ill will directed at anyone. Fella is just posh. It sounds to me, like you expect him to say nothing, because you don't like what he has to say. Seems awfully pretentious to me... 😉

@miz6294

Жыл бұрын

It's not a bad movie seriously people.

@ToxikDnB544

Жыл бұрын

This is just his style. He’s a cynical English person, and as we say over here in England, “take everything he says with a pinch of salt,” as in its not to be taken 100% seriously, although the points made are still fair points, the way he says them is for comedic purposes. This is the style most of us we go for here when discussing things, even over dinner tables, tho ofc there are exceptions and many who dont :)

This guy can't stop seething. Its ok you don't have to like something that is popular with the general audience art is subjective.

@sebastianrygaard4633

Жыл бұрын

Not liking it apparently isn't enough for this guy. He also has to belittle everyone who does.

the star wars comparison in particular is pretty dumb, lol. star wars is basically hidden fortress- a rather poor imitation in my opinion- dressed in lucas' other "inspirations", i.e. him ripping off asimov's foundation series. did i say ripping off? i meant deriving from foundation new and exciting ways to innovate, ahem.

I've seen Hidden Fortress, Star Wars barrows little from it. People that say it is a copy, are just repeating what they heard, or they are stupid. All that is taken from it are archetypical characters, that Hidden Fortress hardly invented to begin with.

Why does everyone talk about avatar to and not realize that it’s basically the same as Wakanda forever our usual heroes deals with a outside source, Fucking with their system, and as a result, they also retreated to the water people as a result, having to have a battle. Just think about it

Nowadays everyone is ripping off Star Wars

@frankowalker4662

Жыл бұрын

But with this film, Cameron is ripping of his own film and calling it new. LOL.

@madambutterfly1997

Жыл бұрын

@Franko Walker are we really going to make self plagiarizing a thing like robosexuality. We really going to normalize these things

I guess it would be pointless to make the argument that aside from earning billions of dollars through his numerous hit movies, Cameron has always been a pretty poor filmmaker. Yeah, Aliens was an overwhelming action movie (though one I never plan to rewatch), but I mean the first Avatar, Titanic, True Lies were all miserable. The elephant in the room is The Terminators…well speaking for myself I didn’t like them then, and still don’t now. Let’s. Ot forget that this dude directed something call Pirahna 2 (no excuse even for a first opportunity to direct), and wrote the inexcusable Rambo 2! One can’t say that his pictures don’t click with mass audiences, but that doesn’t make them good, especially given the dumbed down era his films have appeared in. Who knows what he may have done if he came in the sixties or seventies…could he have been another John Frankenheimer or Werner Herzog? Whoknows, but I wouldn’t even rate Cameron with Ridley Scott, whom I don’t think much of overall, but at least HIS first film remains his finest: THE DUELISTS

Avatar 2 is my favourite movie ever at this point. Seen it 4 times. One of the only movies I've ever seen where I forget my own existence for the 3 hour run time. But I don't need to defend it intellectually, I don't even disagree with some of the points you've made. But at the end of the day it just makes me really happy.

@fromwithin8916

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same about Titanic. I disappear into the movie and forget my own life. Afterwards, I can point out all the (many) flaws in it and agree with the mockery and the dislike. But I still love it.

@williamhare4456

Жыл бұрын

It’s like being dead for three hours, but you’re eating popcorn.

@themexican8720

Жыл бұрын

I genuinely have so much respect for you. If more people were like you then film discussion wouldn’t be such a headache.

@themexican8720

Жыл бұрын

@Md Ibti He’s allowed to like what he likes. The fact that he is admitted the flaws despite that is commendable.

God, I love your honesty and attitude! Keep it up. Never change. Call anyone anything you like. 💪🏻🙌🏻

But muh themes….

RT: 77%. Audience: 92%. You say that it earning a great deal of money doesn’t directly indicated what the audience thought of it. You can use this as a gauge, no? Does your definition of “Good Film” = “Enjoyable Film”? Just because you won’t watch it again doesn’t mean that other people won’t. It doesn’t make it “shit” as you said many, many times in your last video. If this is the hill you choose to die on, I don’t think you’ll have more than 15-20% support. Maybe stick with Velma…which no one will fight you on. 👍🏼

It’s basically Dance with Wolves. In which case I would just watch that. An all round better movie as well.

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍

@moglu837

Жыл бұрын

only the themes are same. totally two different movies

Little Platoon, I’m curious to know what your thoughts are on marijuana. Whether or not you use it/have used it in the past and/or support legalizing it.

Avatar 2 to me was more of 'what if' moments. To see all these technologies and I had to ask why Jack Sully only? There is many scientists that are in Pandora that has avatar body but isn't fully incorporated into the life. They are seen as outsiders even though they helped. So what happened to earth? When the movie began we started with earth dying and we needed a refuge place. What happened? I kind of wished that they'd meet someone who is absolutely scared and pissed that someone is living in paradise as they rot in hell. I enjoyed the movie despite how it went but all I think is why can't we have something a little complex? Why does this have to be good versus bad when there is so much to be talked?

Anyone defending this movie can be summed up to "it make make money, film good"

I’m pretty sure JC could careless what you think of the movie lol. He’s 1000x more talented and successful than you’ll ever be. If you can make a better movie than go ahead, but this trend of hating on movies just because they’re popular is getting old.

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

People caling blue sumrf are also getting old

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

​@@pavanjotsingh1578tell me some similarities between smurfs and navi except the fact that they both are blue

@pavanjotsingh1578

Жыл бұрын

@@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq dont ask me there alot of npc who hate just call it blue smurf

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

@@pavanjotsingh1578 yay they are stupid

@notsodeep1140

Жыл бұрын

@ANONYMOUS dilate and seethe that your movie is nothing but visual goyslop for the masses.

i dont understand people not liking this movie This movie has already become my favorite movie. the standouts being visuals, characters and emotions. First time i ever cried in theaters

@gregbors8364

Жыл бұрын

You seem like a young person who hasn’t seen many movies (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

@bitzencodm8753

Жыл бұрын

@@gregbors8364 ad personnam out of nowhere

@gregbors8364

Жыл бұрын

@@bitzencodm8753 It’s just hard to believe that a person who has seen a lot of movies hasn’t seen one that’s as emotionally wrenching as this one before. Maybe he or she only watches Star Wars and Marvel and the like, idk 🤷‍♂️

@bitzencodm8753

Жыл бұрын

@@gregbors8364 each people has their own unique threshold to trigger a certain a feeling, some ppl may cry at titanic, some at order 66, that's what make us different, applying your own threshold to other people is very self-centered

@gregbors8364

Жыл бұрын

@@bitzencodm8753 I know it’s self-centered, but then again, so is commenting on the internet in the first place. I’m projecting, like anyone with an opinion does. I see people saying they were very moved by this movie and even that it’s a masterpiece, and I don’t understand that at all. The movie looks absolutely fantastic if you can buy into the CGI, and I like how it tries to build an alien world that is an eco-friendly utopia, but other than that, not very compelling. Just one person’s opinion

writing is subjective though, ...popularity is a valid metric.

It is a popcorn movie for 3 HRS! I did like it besides the small detail of 3 hours! What can i say? Im a sellout.

another one coping with the movie's success. boy did james cameron destroy a lot of egos of self proclaimed movie "experts" on youtube.

The trivial fact that I agree with you won't stop me from pointing out that pre-insulting your viewers' predicted responses is a bold move, Chordon. A move of She-Hulkian proportions.

@LostChord

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t preempt them. They’re all based on responses to my last video.

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

​@@LostChordand star wars story is literally a hidden forester in space you will find many hundreds of difference between avatar and dances with the wolves pocahantas but you won't find any in hidden forester

@ANONYMOUS-tg2tq

Жыл бұрын

​@@LostChord and also don't apologise for saying lies like avatar the way of water flops

Lol $2 Billion and counting. Why’re you so quiet😂