It was weird seeing a healthy, normally functioning family in a Hollywood movie. Sure, the daughter had a bit of teenage angst, but everyone got along with one another. No divorced single mother arguing with dead beat dad, and kids that absolutely hate one another. This movie basically broke the typical Hollywood mold, and it was refreshing to see.

@tickledonions9483

Жыл бұрын

This was a Fox production, not Disney. Even though the money basically goes to Disney. James Cameron is liberal anyway so Disney doesn't have to care. They already got the dumb emotions and the environmental message across.

@vjbd2757

Жыл бұрын

@@tickledonions9483 Well Avatar 2 pretty much gets along with both political sides. The left with its environmentalism and the right for positive portrayal of fatherhood.

@PeterParker-ff7ub

Жыл бұрын

still bad every other way.

@solaireofastora6173

Жыл бұрын

When portraying good relationship’s makes you stand out of other movies

@tostupidforname

Жыл бұрын

what?

What's funny is that apparently James Cameron said there are going to be Fire Na'vi in Avatar 3. So, there really is going to be a fire level in the next movie lol

@thedon0516

Жыл бұрын

The Way of Fire 🔥 lol

@ntfoperative9432

Жыл бұрын

What's next? Earth and Air?

@RADIOACTIVEYOUTH

Жыл бұрын

@@ntfoperative9432 earth was the first movie. Jake’s wife is from the Forest tribe

@ntfoperative9432

Жыл бұрын

@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTH so, who's gonna be the true Avatar I wonder?

@userNOTfound1-3

Жыл бұрын

I hope they didn't film with real fire

Avatar Dialogue: “Bro. Bro! Bro?” And “HISSSSS!!!”

@Kumagoro42

Жыл бұрын

If "bro" wasn't already cringeworthy, they even threw some "cuz" in there. Also, Na'vi aren't actually speaking English, we're told, but they still have an accent. Fine, but could it at least be the SAME accent, and not any random accent that every actor individually came up with, ranging from West African to East European?

@nikbilotti9977

Жыл бұрын

@@Kumagoro42 you can even hear a dumb american accent when they speak Na'vi. The cringy "bros" and "cuz" just totally made them lose the authenitc indigenous aspect that they had in the first movie. Such a shame

@DangerNoodl3

10 ай бұрын

@@nikbilotti9977 i completely agree

@ChillingTales12

9 ай бұрын

​@@nikbilotti9977I feel like it's to cater to gen z

Avatar is like a really well made video game with just the cutscenes.

@Kumagoro42

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, Subnautica has a better developed alien underwater ecosystem and makes for a richer experience.

@ahmet_10

Жыл бұрын

Game with trash plot

@jeneziz4450

Жыл бұрын

YES I had a moment in the theater where i was like "Hey this looks like a cutscene" LOL I also thought of Subnautica when they showed the underwater human tech.

@WarlordRising

10 ай бұрын

...and games now make cutscenes that look more convincing than this film. It's just some film critics don't play games (or enough of them) to understand this.

@jamesbrincefield9879

9 ай бұрын

I feel like these films are only impressive to people who haven’t played a video game since the late 80s. And the character designs are truly awful.

Spoiler / Questions: In the final battle, all the water people disappear despite no visible losses or retreat. Where do they go? They clearly don’t die. Also, what happens to the crab submarines and other submarines? We only see one or two being taken out despite there being loads in the water moments earlier. Why was the colonel so important to clone? And if he’s that important, why not make more of him? They can have loads of angry clones in the next sequel!

@iniki1234

Жыл бұрын

They probably set a back up for him (I don't know why his squad) because he was the the commander of the original operation, he knows more bout Pandora, people, probably just great connections, and instead of teaching a new guy they recreate the same dude, especially since RDA knows he's loyal to them and wouldn't turn or feel empathy for the genocide. As for the crabs and submarines with how easy they were able to bring down the boats, it's just off screen deaths, as to why the tribe didn't stay that's a plot hole I can't defend because the daughter was still on the boat or on the rock.

@deejay3984

Жыл бұрын

Sure. But what I mean is as the Colonel is supposedly so great and they have his memory copied, then can just make more of him. A whole squad of him.

@sreerag8293

Жыл бұрын

They only fight until the eclipse that is their rule , it shown in the film the eclipse

@officialdazer

Жыл бұрын

@@deejay3984 Yes, they can keep making clones, and the reason they make him is because he is passionately dedicated to serve the humans and motivated by revenge, they can't impinge on the free-will of the clones, so they picked one which was naturally motivated to do the job already and who was a great warrior and knowledgable about the planet. They will clone him and others more. It's very expensive however and not all people can be made into avatars easily. Sully was picked because his brother couldn't do it

@blackwolf4653

Жыл бұрын

@@iniki1234 why isn‘t it about unobtanium anymore.? Now its all about an Anti Age creme wich sounds so goddamn stupid. I saw many people in the theater react to that by laughing or smirking. That was really cheap i gotta say. Im talking about the scene where the ship captain takes the shit out of the whales brain.

I re-watched Avatar 1 before seeing the 2nd, and one of the main character plot points was that Jake was becoming more Na'vi and losing touch with his old self/his humanity. Quaritch says he's "gone native" and that's the entire reason for his video journals. Fast forward to the 2nd and he raised his family like they were Marines. How does that make any sense given what the first movie established?

@jayydee3231

Жыл бұрын

True that, i noticed the forest too didn't glow that much compared to the 1st one. Like it got cheapened on creative stuff like that.

@andrewjames8980

10 ай бұрын

Jake is also a complete moron in the film, he starts out blowing up trains and being the N'avi Osama Bin Laden, then he takes his family and flees to an island where inevitably the Sky people find him and destroy many villages/creatures. This was legitimately one of the worst movie scripts put to film in history.

@ThibautMahringer

10 ай бұрын

It doesn't

@duncanlutz3698

8 ай бұрын

You are thinking: stop that. Consume product and be excited for next product!

@andezong9565

7 ай бұрын

Dude probably reverted back to being a Marine when he had to lead an insurgency against the RDA

All the obvious things aside, I found one of the most problematic issues being that the movie only pushed me to root for the humans more than anything. They've written themselves into a corner as soon as they brought up the idea of humans colonizing Pandora. There is NO WAY in any conceivable fashion the full force of humanity could lose due to their tech. This is double so when they established a large base and fully autonomous drones. This eliminates the need for trained humans to perform battle functions on the front line, allowing for a near endless supply of troops. On top of that, the humans are so advanced in their biological understanding of the natives, that the full war level fighting could be done on all levels of battle. Chemical, viral, psychological, targeting the spirit trees, ect. They basically sealed their fate with this plot device. Also also...WTF was up with that bit with Spider where his adopted family was willing to kill him dead in a moments noticed when they were kid swapping! Even more so they didn't even acknowledge it!

@newnamesameperson397

9 ай бұрын

Straight up I'm rooting for the humans because I am one also I like future techno hellscapes and it seems humanity went that route. The movie should have ended with the planet being glass. It would be no loss to humanity, we can live there because the air is toxic so glass it from orbit and crack the planet open for resources

@abraham2172

5 ай бұрын

Surpreme technology and better weapons account for nothing if the people they try to use it are dumb as sh*t. Its the same thing that bothers me with star wars, there is no way the rebels would have any chance against the Empire, so they just make the Imperials morrons.

@carterlittle6172

16 күн бұрын

@@newnamesameperson397y’all just rooting for the humans cuz you want to be different😂😂

Remember when ppl criticised Marvel movies in the 2010s for being "shallow but pretty"? Those same ppl prolly loved this movie

@a_tree5793

Жыл бұрын

Well yeah these movies are built around the fact their target demographic has an IQ of 17

The entire plot basically: Humans come back, Antagonist is cloned, Sullys family flees to different tribe to hide, they get bullied and have to earn their acceptance, they dive a lot, Sullys kid makes friends with a whale, humans hunt whales, they capture Sully's kids a bunch of times, whale to the rescue, navi win. The End.

@despooked

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. This is why it's breaking records all over the world. It's similar to Top Gun. US Air Force needs to execute a mission. Brings back Maverick. Maverick trains new pilots. Maverick + new pilots succeed. The End. That's all the plot you need to make a great movie that will be loved by audiences.

@gani4219

Жыл бұрын

@@despooked Top Gun maverick was alot better than avatar 2 lol and i watched avatar2 in cinema

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@@despooked an overhyped piece of trash that will be loved by the easily manipulated herd of sheeple you mean

@motor4X4kombat

Жыл бұрын

@@gani4219 and was shorted and use actual planes to shot the action scenes insted of cgi everything

@mysryuza

Жыл бұрын

Basically

This touched on a lot of my gripes with the film. It is absolutely gorgeous and it pains me that the quality of the storytelling doesn’t match. One of the elements I did enjoy was the depiction of Sully’s family. We rarely get to see healthy, loving families who look after each other and it was one of the better ways to make us feel the stakes were high. On the flip side, they completely wasted Spider’s character. I didn’t understand why he was so passively going along with the humans after spending his whole life growing up with Sully’s family. I would have liked him to be a competent character who was forced to train the humans at gunpoint but eventually started to identify with humanity’s plight and question where he belongs. Then have him finally make up his mind and betray the humans but spare his father.

@tickledonions9483

Жыл бұрын

see, it's all emotions but no substance. The family elements are super basic which is why it can 'resonate' with many people. Of course you people don't care about movies as a form of artistic expression, you only care if it's 'relatable' or shiny.

@raider.2099

Жыл бұрын

Ummm didn't he do that....he rescued the Colonel, left him on the other island.... and then rejoined with Sully Family.

@KuldesacMedia

Жыл бұрын

@@raider.2099 it’s funny you say this. When I first saw it in 2D he just seemed like he was very passive and didn’t take a stand until the end. Seeing it in 3D I felt like there was a lot more nuance to the performance. Genuinely felt like I saw it with a new set of eyes. Idk what to make of that experience as a moviegoer.

@makeshifter9018

Жыл бұрын

It's just a theory but I feel like the story is very basic intentionally, a lot of fucking money was invested to create this movie and they released it worldwide for everyone to see it hence they made the story so that no matter who sees it, it evokes the same emotion.

@coryaw95

Жыл бұрын

@@KuldesacMedia I always take advantage of seeing things in IMAX when possible. The theater I recently went to had the upgraded laser, which immensely improves the lighting of the older IMAX venues. I agree that it's a different experience and arguably more worthwhile

The plot can be encapsulated in the fact that 10 minutes in, the humans say “the earth is dying so we’re going to terraform this planet…” and the main bad guy says “that’s cool, I’m gonna go try and kill a single family (that will inevitably die when the planet is terraformed)” And at this point, the film’s story no longer matters in the film’s own universe

I just saw this today, in 3d, all I could think after was... "I just sat through 3+ hours for the same movie from 2009... with some cool water" whale hunt extended was so painful I almost walked out. agree with everything said here. tech over plot. so much potential, so many unfinished story lines. copy, paste. wata looked great.

The cop out of "There's nothing wrong with a simple story" is so annoying because it's not that it's just a simple story, it's a poorly written story. The movie is extremely beautiful and I found myself continuously being pulled out of the the impressiveness of it's beauty by bad dialog and macguffins being introduced just to drag the story along. There were moments in the movie that were clearly meant to be sad or serious and I couldn't help myself from laughing watching them because the plot hadn't earned that reaction from the audience

@augustlavdal6187

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Also none of the actions the kids make have consequenses, besides the one that kills one of them. And one kid get's left alone outside the reef, meets the wale and after 30 seconds he speaks whalish. One of the girls is a small EWA and has done nothing to deserve it she is just gifted.. cool, typical family problems and small fights between the boys, the diolog is so bland and boring, Jake has to rescue his (quite stupid) kids time and time again, everybody keeps doing heroic acts and eventually heroic acts don't feel heroic anymore, nobody gets hurt by consequenses but one kid and all the avatars on the evil side die. I can only remember one Avatar dying to the humans, and that was the one in the family. And the kids keep talking english slang like "You okay bro? Bro you good?" Why??? I get it they are talking like avatars, but the way they use it sounds so stupid sometimes. Why not find more interesting words to use for Avatars? Remember the first movie, how there was corruption, consequences, lots of new animals that were wild, It felt like EWA was watching, human researchers trying to put sense into the millatary, both good and bad humans, angry but primetive Avatars, actions did sometimes lead to death of favored caracters, a very accurate representasion of how animals might feel when we take down the forest, Jake had to earn trust both in animals, humans and Avatars. I actually cried when the big war broke out and lots of my fav characters died. In Avatar 2 I did not care for one caracter beacuse it was all so messy and the caracters did not earn or mean anything to me. All the kids of both families seemed really stupid. Where was the trash in the ochean? We all know how humans love to throw trash in the ochean. Man the people who made this move were not creative nor did they care to explain a lot.

@El3mental1

Жыл бұрын

A simple 3 hour save-my-family story yet I was captivated the entire time. People just like to see different things in movies. Go watch inception or something

@KingkuntaGG

Жыл бұрын

@@El3mental1 Your right people enjoy watching different things. But it’s not fair to say go watch another movie when they clearly loved the first one. I enjoyed the spectacle but I turned my brain off to the plot after kiris seizure mcguffin. Fun movie with poor writing, why can’t more people admit that?

@failedevolution4396

Жыл бұрын

@@KingkuntaGG I loved the first film and still like it more than this one. However story aside this is an expansion on the world I fell in love with in the first film. I’m happy to see Jake be a father to his kids, the ongoing war between humans and Navi, hell I’m just happy to be back on Pandora and for a film like this the story didn’t bother me all too much. However supposedly these first 2 films are to act as building blocks for the next few which should have better narratives.

@KingkuntaGG

Жыл бұрын

@@failedevolution4396 I loved the first film as well but couldn’t help thinking a little more critically about this one as I’m older now. Definitely gonna just get blasted off an edible for the next film💀.

Avatar is basically an attempt of baking a cake but the cook just buy the highest quality icing and nothing else.

@TheSucidalpanda

Жыл бұрын

They put gold leaf on a lil debbie treat.

@thefattesthagrid

Жыл бұрын

I like icing...

@ganonjesuschrist2053

Жыл бұрын

Sounds good to me…. And apparently everyone else

@kool4209

Жыл бұрын

Thats all Avatar ever was. Eye candy. No substance

@appropriate-channelname3049

Жыл бұрын

I don't know man James Cameron now has three of the 5 top grossing films of all time. I mean if it's so bad why don't you make something?

One scene i actually really liked was when neytiri was fighting the humans after her son died, idk her feelings felt very real

@Kira-pv4xq

7 ай бұрын

N o. It was just her mad bc they killed her daughter nothing too deep.

I think it's more than forgetting the characters. This is constantly remembered as "the blue person movie." Everything about this experience is temporary and forgettable.

@carterlittle6172

16 күн бұрын

It’s not that hard to remember characters. People that don’t know the characters don’t want to know the characters and don’t pay attention to the movie.

Compared to the original avatar, the new one was a huge letdown. Even the setting just felt like going to the beach.

This movie is the perfect example of looking pretty but very little substance. It's one of those movies you watch once with your friends and have a potentially good time watching it, but forget about how shallow the movie was and after the movie ends you feel like you watched something but nothing at all. Maybe it'll be a very fun watch for those under 15 years old.

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

as if you understand very complex plots eh? I doubt.

@Ravn7

Жыл бұрын

You missed the point

@Merryianna

Жыл бұрын

r/iamverysmart.

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@Ravn7 This movie has levels of dumb Star Wars prequel dialogue mixed with Morbius kind of character development. Watch it in 2D and see if these even hold up cause I know people are more or less enraptured by the stunning stellar visuals than anything else. Princess Mononoke and Nausicaa beat these movies in terms of storytelling and messages by a mile. Lord of the Rings even Atlantis Lost Empire have simple stories but are told more interestingly than these Avatar series.

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@Merryianna And you’re a dummy to think this turd is cinema. Congrats.

If there was one less child, there would be more room the flesh out the other 3 l, giving them deeper personalities and letting the audience build deeper bonds with them, and making the final scene a bit more heavy hitting

@hoongmoopak1083

10 ай бұрын

Rule of 3!

It sounds like what I was worried it would be: a tech demo with a safe, simple story. However, it's going to get a lot of praise because the bar is SO LOW these days with big budget films that a very safe, basic, relatable story is an improvement.

@soldier2262

Жыл бұрын

well its not bad not even a mess it was it supposed to be but guess some people dont know what avater 2009 was about?

@paulatreides1354

Жыл бұрын

the story is more deeper than that , just people cannot grasp all the meta , the themes and references to myth in the movie , sure it's packaged as a simple ; manichean story ...but the subtext and layers are there

@oogskskfn

Жыл бұрын

@@paulatreides1354 my guy it’s a rehash of the first movie with some added young adult film cliches so the plot can even work. Half the scenes are repeated scenes from earlier in the film and the first movie

@tonydanatop4912

Жыл бұрын

@@soldier2262 I thought it was a blunt metaphor for imperialism and indigenous people. And by my reckoning this one is more of the same but with a very small amount of added Nuance. Not that I didn’t enjoy this one it’s just again…the bar was low.

@Darkstar_Dayne

Жыл бұрын

@@paulatreides1354 Bro you watch movies for social commentary? Just watch CNN or something cuz most people watch them as an escape from the reality

You raised a valid point at the end of the review, talking about how the story is the only thing that makes a film good, and everything else is complementary. Aristotle, talking about theatrical plays, pretty much said the same thing: he talked about the plot and the entwining being the most important parts of a theatrical work, and everything else (the costumes, the actors, the music) came after. I’m not that radical, but Aristotle believed that a single guy dressed in regular Ancient Greek clothes could just walk on stage, sit on a stool and start reading the story out loud. And it would have been such as good because it’s the story that matters at the end of the day.

@billykhoabillykhoa7844

Жыл бұрын

That's because Aristotle haven't seen Avatar in 3D yet.

@Fluffy6555

Жыл бұрын

Aristotle had some interesting things to say, but Poetics goes too far on that position in my opinion. He believed hearing someone tell the story should elicit the same experience as watching it because the story is that powerful, which is dumb. Contemporary theatre pieces have gone out of their way to explore the aesthetics of the theatre experience and how they can tell their own sort of story. Even Shakespeare prioritised character over plot.

@fabioviti7384

Жыл бұрын

@@Fluffy6555 Sadly aristotle's point isn't possible in modern day theatre, it was customary for greeks to play womans using guys with masks... guys with masks!. greek theater had little to no ahestetic so when something has a pretty bad/mediocre story but an absolutely incredible aesthetic for the greeks that was shit since incredible aesthetic were good costumes... and some ropes, avatar 2 is what incredible aesthetic is for us; they couldn''t even THINK this

@Malicia-scunt

Жыл бұрын

Aristotle was a philistine. He would probably have loved Kim Kardashians home decor.

@fabioviti7384

Жыл бұрын

@@Malicia-scunt Yeah, All of Aristotle's biggest works are A- not up with time (all his fucking critics on theater when technique was "damn, the singer is kinda good" or "wow, they even got a red dress this time" as today we have actual virtual real life!) B- completely false (DEMOCRITUS WAS RIGHT) C- purely usefull in a logic manner in which we have to presume he's right to even get what he says (i love metà phisics and philosophy but at least plato tried!)

I honestly forgot this film was in development until a month or two before release. And my first thought was “why?” from what I remember the first film ended fairly well: the hero gets the girl, repels the invaders and becomes one of them. In my opinion there wasn’t much of a reason to return to the world of pandora it didn’t need a sequel. If they wanted to shake things up if Earth has been dying for however long in the story then finally show Earth collapsing. Forcing humans in a desperate situation to find a new home and pandora is a reluctant option because of what happened prior; this wouldn’t be a military operation but a humanitarian effort to resettle humanity with security forces attached. By having the story deal with the thematic undertones of displacement, refugees and the rippling effects of natural disasters and war this forces the protagonist into a middle man position between humanity and the Na’vi to ensure peace and coexistence instead of the humans (bad) and the Na’vi (good). But show the wounds still remain in the form of both sides have suffered at each other’s hand. Maybe certain Na’vi tribes that greatly suffered in the prior conflict have become more war-like and vengeful. The human settlers who have lost friends and loved ones in the prior film have a grudge towards the Na’vi so it shows a much more morally gray angle of the narrative where neither side is good or evil. However it would be a story of survival through cooperation, coexistence and forgiveness.

@peachcloudz

Жыл бұрын

No can do cause that would require actual effort be put into the writing 😂 instead they would rather bait us with beautiful visuals and give us a hollow and forgettable surface-level experience. Festive!

@rebellious_red7123

Жыл бұрын

@@peachcloudz exactly my thoughts I feel for anyone who legit waited in excitement for almost two decades for this film only to get this.

@chaddaddywarden4349

Жыл бұрын

NO HUMANS BAD, NAVI GOOD. DONT USE YOUR BRAIN AND ACTUALLY TRY TO COME UP WITH A WELL-WRITTEN STORY

@chaddaddywarden4349

Жыл бұрын

@@dianashepherd3241 Cameron has become obsessed with pushing the limit of special effects and is all spectacle over script and making an entertaining theater experience for the last 30 years or so

@thegatewaytoprestige

Жыл бұрын

$2Billion later…

I was pretty close to laughing out loud in the theater when the water Na'Vi chieftain basically said "They used to kill the whales way out there where we couldn't see it. But now they do it right here and that's terrible, we go to war!"

@Kumagoro42

Жыл бұрын

Also noteworthy: "We can't condone friendship with this whale that killed to defend its tribe, it's unacceptable. Except when we (and the celebrated guerrilla leader we're giving shelter to) do exactly the same".

@potmeetkettle

Жыл бұрын

@@Kumagoro42 i understood the story to be that the whales used to kill each other, but then swore not to, and jake’s son’s whale was assumed to be the one who broke the code, although it wasn’t true. “The great balance” requires killing, but not necessarily killing your own kind. That’s how i understood it anyways, could be wrong

@TheCube101

3 ай бұрын

Well humans only act much if they are affected. Look at climate change, for example. No one is shutting down thousands of oil companies across the world in a frantic panic because climate change is 'over the horizon'. Psychology my brother

@ew8462

3 ай бұрын

I know this response is late but know what bothered me about the scene of the sea leader scolding the children for going near that whale? HOW DID HE KNOW THEY WENT NEAR THE WHALE? Who told him that one of the kinds bonded to the whale? The movie is 3 hours long but it skips these important transition elements.@@Kumagoro42

@baverfjant

24 күн бұрын

@@Kumagoro42And let's not forget that said celebrated guerilla leader just left his tribe cause he felt guilty about putting them in danger. Now he's with the water Na'vi and getting them killed, that's cool though.

8:20 Agree completely. The coming of age of CGI was wonderful for the medium, but it seems like many have forgotten that the story is what is worth conveying. The visuals are supposed to enhance the story, not be the main attraction! So many movies with potential that just manage to be mediocre because not enough thought was given to the story!

It was weird seeing a CGI family that kept going "YO BRO!!!" "WHAT UP CUZ?"

@augustlavdal6187

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and like the first movie had such cool Avatar diolog. Like it sounded like "Brother, I will stand with you." Like, I thought the Avatar language was more: less talk, more meaning. Now it just seems like a normal family with slang from LA. UUUUUHH! Whyyy? Why not make the kids more badass and smart instead of dumb. They grow up in the wild, yet they are captured 8 times. Wtf?

@ChillingTales12

9 ай бұрын

The actors themselves are teenagers

Just watched it, 3 and a half hours I will NEVER get back, I lost the will to live, a bunch of DOO DOO

i was legit confused by the motivations of the humans returning. and it feels strange as well that we don't get that woven more into the story. we dont get to understand what the humans are coming from by invading. it's just "insert old villans and let the viewers connect the dots from last movie" honestly given how this is a disney franchise, a lot of the shots and scenes were probably demanded by disney so they can recreate it for the theme park

@chrisfratz

Жыл бұрын

Spoilers for the movie But they want the juices from the whale's brain which stops a person from aging. Which they can sell for 80 mil a vile. Quaritch is there because he wants to kill Jake for basically commuting treason against the human species in the first movie, and the Na'vi are stealing weapons and supplies from the humans to fight back.

@rebellious_red7123

Жыл бұрын

It really felt out of place to me too there was no reason for humans to return unless they were absolutely desperate as in their survival depended on it. But it was the same plot as before humans come to a new world to exploit of its resources. I would have enjoyed the film more if say between the events of the films earth was rendered a barren war-torn wasteland as they first implied in the first film “the earth is dying” which forced the remnants of humanity into the stars to find a new home and pandora is a reluctant choice due to prior events. It would be less of corporate driven operation and more of a humanitarian effort.

@Starlit43

Жыл бұрын

They said it the beginning of the movie why. You weren’t listening.

@rot0s

Жыл бұрын

They literally said it. Earth is dying and they are trying to make pandora a new earth for humans.

@sonasome586

Жыл бұрын

ok i disagree completely the humans were always gonna comeback first you think that since they were forced of the planet the humans were just gonna leave for good the whole reason in the first movie the humans were mining for unobtanium was because earth had run out of resources, and yes they had motivation to coming back other than revenge they stated it completely they need to creat a settlement cause earth is becoming inhabitable and pandora is the next best place which follows the first movie pretty well. the reason they go after jake is because he started an insurgence group and was destroying supply routes. so the general states to quartich that they need the insurgents to stop and the whole reason they have been so affective at stealing the supplies is because jakes knowledge of how human tech works. sooooo that leads to quartich being sent to kill jake the leader of the insurgents.

The plot is insanely weak and the movie feels like it has no stakes because even though we are shown that human weapons are incredibly powerful, humans are well trained, and humans often have the advantage in numbers whenever there is any conflict it’s an overwhelming Navee victory.

@abraham2172

5 ай бұрын

Remember when Spider (the bad guys son) destroyed the command ship by pushing some buttons on the bridge right in front of the human officers? They barely reacted to it althoug they could have easily stopp him, and afterwards, they just took him with them like nothing happened. I couldnt believe my eyes.

Kiri not being able to connect to Eywa is likely something that will be importing in one of the two additional Avatar movies that James Cameron has planned. My personal belief is that Kiri is a part of Eywa and her plugging into her own network is the same as what we call a Network Feedback Loop. She doesn't need to connect to the tree because she essentially is part of Eywa and is able to connect to all living entities on Pandora anyway.

@xensonar9652

Жыл бұрын

She might find a new way to connect. Maybe go on a heroes journey and discover it within herself.

@HD_Hates

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps Kiri is the physical manifestation of Eywa.

@mace7754

Жыл бұрын

No she IS eywa..

I remember Terminator. Every action and every word moved the plot forward. With this movie I had to leave to use the restroom midway through and didn't bother to ask my friend what happened when I was away. Cutting half the film would have improved it.

@user-yq9im9dk9z

Жыл бұрын

It already has barebones plot, cutting it in half would just remove the film 💀

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

I don't get the hype around Terminator. I love Cameron but after watching Terminator, it's cringe too. probably because it's made in the 80s.

@officialdazer

Жыл бұрын

Did you know James Cameron designed the film in that way so you could go to the bathroom and not miss anything? So yeah, only a fuckin idiot like you would actually complain that they had to go to the toilet and it didn't ruin their entire experience of the film. I'm sure that is what we all were after "Oh I can't wait to go to the toilet and miss a really important part".... Jesus Christ do this world a favour and kill us all

@LucasDiblasio

Жыл бұрын

@@randomly_random_0 Terminator 1 and 2 are ten times better than Avatar 2.

@personaldove

Жыл бұрын

Then this movie was not your type. Its better you stick to Marvel and modern action movies that go fast.

The one thing I enjoyed about the first Avatar was Stephen Lang's portrayal of Colonel Miles Quaritch, his speech to introduce the newbies to Pandora really stood out for me, and he was again the stand out in this movie.

@macgyversmacbook1861

Жыл бұрын

Same! I don’t care if he’s one dimensional, him running out without a mask was badass the first movie

@aliensoup2420

Жыл бұрын

@@macgyversmacbook1861 There is a great deleted scene in which the Administrator Parker makes a veiled threat against Quaritch for overstepping his authority, and Quaritch violently pins him against the wall and says, "You're a long way from home". It may have been too over-the-top for the plot, but it sent shivers down my spine.

@TheManorBeast

Жыл бұрын

Man do you have a feast of films you'll love if you like brain dead coffee swilling oorah colonels who s prime function is to kill stuff

@user-oh6eg4ny3h

11 ай бұрын

Quaritch reminds me of vegeta from dbz. Prideful and have no regard for others. Till later when vegeta character progression he starts to slowly care about others

@nigelsalvador

11 ай бұрын

@@user-oh6eg4ny3h I'm not familiar with that reference.

The movie was good, i just had issues with the middle section, we spent sooo long with the water tribe and yet not all of the time spent with them was paid off, we hardly saw them fight in the end, we didnt even see the sons of the chief of tribe fight or do anything yet we had spent a bit of time with them showing their "rivalry" with Jake Sullys sons

@yuppymike

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. A good hour learning about the water tribe and the finale was the Sully family vs the bad guys.

@hexahedronhead7516

Жыл бұрын

I was genuinely confused about where the literal army of water people went in the third act. They were all battling and then they just were gone. Made 0 sense

@jihadp8762

Жыл бұрын

@@hexahedronhead7516 the comment I was looking for just like you where they just disappear 🫠 not even when his son died they just don't show they were helping them . avatar 2009 was enough really it was 3 hour of nothing.

@sonasome586

Жыл бұрын

the middle section of the movie with the water tribe does slow down but the reasoning is simple that part of the story is meant for the characters adaption it shows that even though there all one race they have significant differences yet it also shows that the kids of the 2 main families in the movies are more alike than originally thought. and again the reason you didnt see a huge navi vs human fight like the first movie is because this movie is more focused on a family drama than a massive action sequence that's why you follow jake and neytiris family through the fight and not a huge fight.

@haroonp8842

Жыл бұрын

@@sonasome586 ur not wrong and i understand that, it still doesnt take away that it still felt slightly too dragged out. Could have been reduced by a good 15 / 20 mins and it would have had the same emotional impact and i get the end fight doesnt have to be like first movie as you said they are definitely setting up for future movies and in one of them i can see all of the tribes from water to woods teaming up against humans but in the end of this movie it still would have been nice to see more of the water tribe in the final fight instead of disappearing, especially when the daughter of the chief was captured. He never checked himself if she was rescued etc

100% agree. I watched the first 15 minutes last night with my husband and we kept pausing the movie, thinking that we skipped an hour in. I didn’t care about the characters and the story. I can’t imagine watching 3 hours in a cinema.

I watched Avatar twice, when it came out in 2009 and 10 years later in 2019..and the only scene I remember was Sigourney Weaver's character saying 'They're just pissing on us without even giving us the courtesy of calling it rain'

@theredranger9723

Жыл бұрын

LoL you probably remember that SNL skit when they did that line.

@officialdazer

Жыл бұрын

Well that is pretty good memory honestly after not seeing a film for over a decade

Not to disagree with your point about Cameron writing better dialogue before Titanic, but "I remember the first time I got shot out of a cannon" was an improv by Tom Arnold, not a Cameron line.

Probably the best part of this movie was the display of the futuristic weapons technology and things like that, it was pretty well designed and displayed.

Saw it today, I felt my soul slowly leaving my body during the final stretch of the movie.. I had to force myself to find amusing moments. One such moment was when I thought to myself, ----SPOILERS--- Imagine being one of the sea villagers, you are vandalized and interrogated by A- Normal clothed humans wearing metal bits that make em as tall as you B- Navi looking creatures wearing strange sunglasses and wielding strange weapons, like the first two ok but C-- A small regular human wearing nothing but a loincloth, has weird blue tattoos all around, speaking fully fluent Navi.. Wouldn't you be like who the f**ck is this creature? I cracked myself up thinking about that for a good 15 minutes.

@MM-pv5tp

Жыл бұрын

You seem like a hard person to please. Tell me, how WASN’T the film amusing? I don’t cry that easily, but that film made me cry.

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@@MM-pv5tp this film was pure torture to sit through. Theres not a single line of dialogue that was good

@MM-pv5tp

Жыл бұрын

@@leob4403 Elaborate

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@@MM-pv5tp the characters were so bad. I mean compare to some.more memorable Cameron characters like Terminator, Aliens and so on. These blue smurfs all looked the same and were so uninteresting, they had no personality

@Livlilitta

Жыл бұрын

no, it was comics.

Personally I really enjoyed this movie. Am very interested to see how the third one and how things play out

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@Supreme Dob honestly both movies are bad

@_rune

Жыл бұрын

@@leob4403avatar isn’t bad lol. ur standards are unreal if u consider it a bad movie

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@@_rune that stupid boy Spider with his Tarzan outfit was enough for me to want to punch a hole through the screen

@_rune

Жыл бұрын

@@leob4403 LMFAO

@eerohughes

Жыл бұрын

For me it's one of the worst movies I've seen in a very long time

half way through i just wanted to go home 😭😭😭 i was falling asleep in the cinema

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could have slept, but the booming surround sound kept me awake, I left after about 2 hours, couldnt take it anymore, it was torture

@Kumagoro42

Жыл бұрын

When the dying kid said "I want to go home", someone in the theater yelled "Me too!"

I agree with everything you said except the part where you said James Cameron can write marines. The whole movie I kept asking myself “these guys call themselves marines?”. Seriously, why would the marine corps permit the colonel to go out into enemy territory with a six man fireteam, no support assets and no other objective other to find Jake Sully just so he can get revenge for being killed 10 years ago? To make it worse I found it annoying how they try so hard to be marines, the “hoorah” (that’s not actually how it’s pronounced) and the “get some” parts really made me slap my own face in disappointment. I was in the army and did a lot of training with marines and never once did I hear a marine say “get some”. Not to mention, these “marines” got outsmarted by children multiple times, seem to have zero proficiency with firearms as they can’t seem to hit anything and just overall sucked in any combat encounter. They displayed zero signs of being professional, tactical, disciplined, dedicated combat killers.

If this is Cameron's understanding of female empowerment, let's hope he never writes a female character ever again

The plot point of her connecting to eywa definitely comes back just not with dialogue. Her character literally saves the day multiple times near the end of the film by controlling her environment with the powers that ey a gave her

@SamWh1t3

Жыл бұрын

Whoever made this video clearly didn’t pay attention well

@grenha8

Жыл бұрын

@@SamWh1t3 not only that but he dont know the basic name of the characters. its the problem of clout nowadays speak trash about something trend XD

@KingkuntaGG

Жыл бұрын

@@SamWh1t3 Her character saves the day but it makes no sense. Why is kiri so connected? Why does she have a seizure when she asks about her dad? Why does this never come back up? Why do they never tell her she could fucking die if she connects in the sea again? Her entire character is one giant mcguffin. Stop making excuses for poor writing.

@inthe_among_us

Жыл бұрын

@@KingkuntaGG wait a sec so you are telling, they were supposed to introduce the chr, all the characterstics, nuances, self discoveries & mysteries literally everything in just one movie. Call it a day and still bland for 3 more movies doing nothing new to explain or explore of character. ig they intentionally left some mystery to tweak some interest of audience in upcoming movies. "Why do they never tell her she could fucking die if she connects in the sea again? " it's not that easy, children may look like a tell & move on sht but they aren't. Do u really think that would have stopped her ? take loak for example and think bruhh

@KingkuntaGG

Жыл бұрын

@@inthe_among_us No I don’t think it would have stopped her but it would have been a beautiful father daughter moment. When Jake gets this piece of information there’s so much emotion in his voice but then it never comes back up. I don’t think anyone even asked kiri if she was all right after the seizure. They just move on like it never happened. The entire scene just served as a way for the general to find them. Also I’d don’t think asking for character nuances and self discoveries is to much in a fucking 3 hour movie. Kiri and the son who survived are the only characters who slightly develop across the movie.

Sam Worthington and Zoe Saldana have some good moments. The problem is that their characters don’t go through an “arc”. Saldana’s character even does something questionable near the end that is glossed over. And Worthington’s character has a “lesson” that didn’t need to take an ENTIRE movie, nor a lot of people dying, for him to learn.

@officialdazer

Жыл бұрын

All the children go through arcs, the soldiers go through arcs, the arcs of the parents were completed in Avatar one, and even then they do change as a unit. I disagree that a character has to have an arc for them to be worthwhile. It's critical nit picking that serves no purpose

@oogskskfn

Жыл бұрын

@@officialdazer it’s not nit picking for no reason. Worthington and Saldana were active characters in the last movie that drove the plot. In this movie they lose agency, they lose what they learned the first movie, the only moment any of them actually make a decision actively is in the beginning. after that they are at mercy of the kids dealing with peer pressure the rest of the movie for plot continuance. That just lets you know that they thought of visual scenes before they thought about the script because half of the things that happened were because “Kid got teased one time about it so he disregarded what he was told”.

@midnight-2021

Жыл бұрын

The kids are annoying as you can get. They are as annoying as Jar Jar Binks.

@rebellious_red7123

Жыл бұрын

It’s why I don’t really consider this movie a sequel it feels more or less like a soft-reboot and for some audiences to be waiting for so many years for this Is quite underwhelming

@dancingdragonfly1667

Жыл бұрын

I didn't find that moment questionable at all. She was perfectly justified in her rage. I loved thst the movie didn't shy away from it either.

Am I the only one that actually wasn’t crazy about the special effects? For me, the quality of the CGI was “too good” in the sense that it looked very fake. Movements were too smooth, people were too agile, it just all seemed like a cutscene in a video game. Oddly enough in the first Avatar, the effects were good enough to look realistic (ish) but not SO good that it crossed into the uncanny valley. The landscape never felt real to me. Just like a really pretty computer program.

@kreaturekate1125

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way and people kept saying that it took a little to adjust but I never did and I feel like you shouldn't have to adjust to a movie for it to look good or real, that shouldn't be how a movie works.

@yeonake

2 ай бұрын

Yes! The cgi in the first 13 minutes were choppy and looked as if they had used a green screen

What about the planet of the apes trilogy? Fricking chefs kiss of a trilogy, haven’t cared about a CGI character so much for years, Andy Serkis shines it’s so beautiful

@BOSS_1417

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely Impeccable CGI Solid plot Matt Reeves for the win!

@MS-ii1sv

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. That's the standard for CGI character. These avatar things look like shit.

As someone who unitonically likes the first movie and watches it once a year (heresy, I know), I was pretty let down. The visuals are stunning, as expected, but the story is the very same ctrl-c, ctrl-v. Even has the SAME villain with stupid motivations. The only different thing were the kids and they made the film objectively worse. You had 13 years to work on an at least serviceable story, man...

@koopa5504

Жыл бұрын

You should definitely watch some better movies man..

@aliensoup2420

Жыл бұрын

I rewatch "Prometheus" and "Avatar" at least once a year simply for the eye-candy. When I want great moments in acting I watch "The Godfather" and "Network". The seventies was a great decade for movies.

@jayvfx.

Жыл бұрын

@CertifiedFloppa Second its gona be the same villian all over again lmao. another copy paste thatll make billions

The movie cynic and I need to gross 2 billion dollars just to break even.

Avatar 2 was a pretty average one time watchable film. The first Avatar was far better due to unexpected grand visuals and action set pieces that were epic. However Avatar 2 was pretty average and already seen thus average movie. If you have time please review RRR(2022) a Indian Tollywood movie that became a hit in USA and world.

While the story is the weakest part of this movie, I found myself invested in Spider and Quaritch more than any other characters to be honest. Everyone else was just so one dimensional, predictable and nothing we haven't seen before time and time again in cinema. Having the villain actually show an emotion other than hatred or anger even once is always miles better than them being basically a plot-driven robot that's only programming is to "act evil and bad", although throughout most of the film Quartich is like this there are moments where you can see him question himself when Spider is around. Other than that the visuals and soundtrack are quite good.

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

The whale Payacan had better arc than all of Sully’s vanilla blue children 😂. Like, please give me weird, eccentric even outlandish that should at least stand out from among them but nooo they went with generic 2D vanilla treatment instead. True about Spider and the humans lol they kept me going along with the story.

@slent5346

Жыл бұрын

I almost fell asleep i the theater

@MM-pv5tp

Жыл бұрын

How was the storytelling bad? I don’t cry that easily, but that film made me cry.

@slent5346

Жыл бұрын

@@MM-pv5tp because it was the same as the first one. And the first ones story was really terrible since it isn't even original by this point. Sure it might be simple but I have heard this story so many times it just is so god damn predictable what is actually gonna happen.

@leob4403

Жыл бұрын

@@slent5346 I would have fallen asleep but the booming surround sound startled me awake

I mostly found myself drifting during this and reengaging when something beautiful came on screen. I actually found the narrative in the first one to have much more to latch onto: the motivations were more believable, stakes more clearly defined, characters were more likeable and some of them even had archs. Definitely wouldn’t be down for 3rd unless they offer something more in the character and story department.

@JohnDoe-em2xd

Жыл бұрын

Well said and agreed

@sunsetskye483

Жыл бұрын

Characters definitely felt more real in the first one. Almost everyone had believable motivations and acted like real people

@Malicia-scunt

Жыл бұрын

Cameron said these first two were building the world and roots of the story. From now on the direction will be totally different and he said the best is yet to come.

@failedevolution4396

Жыл бұрын

@@dianashepherd3241 only gripe I have is your point where Jake runs to the beach. The whole film he is shown to care about the safety of his family more than anything else. Him leaving his clan under the excuse to “protect the people” was a lie that Jake and Neytiri told themselves. Only at the end of the movie after his oldest son’s death does he realize that this conflict isn’t something he can run from and he needs to fight back. Other than that I do agree on your other point with the final battle.

I just didnt understand WTF they run away from the fire (on the ocean), and they all went back inside the ship, just to repeat Titanic scenes!! 🤷‍♂️ #PrettyMess is 100% Accurate.

@TopHat_

Жыл бұрын

Because the fire was moving towards them, why the hell would you swim too a fire?

@shadowfallenable

Жыл бұрын

@@TopHat_ 1) Swim (water) 2) Fire above (the ocean surface) 3) They ALL had water creatures (Hell one of them even had a Killerwhale-creature). 4)WTF all those water tribes left before the fight was completely over!?

@melox130

Жыл бұрын

Repeating scenes ? Hmm i thought the same , i also saw far too many similarities to the first 30 minutes of The Patriot.

@TopHat_

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowfallenable they can't swim well and also, if you didn't know, fire can burn underwater, also I don't know why the water tribe would flee, and also the "killer whale" you are talking about is still recovering after fighting off almost the whole enemies people, get better facts dumbass

@kreaturekate1125

Жыл бұрын

@@TopHat_ fire doesn't burn underwater, literally if they just swam under it they would have been fine, the whole movie they learned how to swim and hold their breath but now they can't swim what looked to be 20 or 30 feet underwater to get away?

It was painfully recycled. I am a big fan of the first movie (Ik, it’s not a masterpiece but I really enjoy the visuals and Pandora as a concept) so I’ve watched it enough times to notice that a bunch of scenes and dialogues were almost literally copy/pasted in the second movie. Even though I loved the visuals and the sound effects (it’s a beautiful movie, yes) I walked out very disappointed.

12:22 Does anyone know what that clip with Steve Buscemi is from?

With Avatar, Cameron is trying to make his own Star Wars on Pandora.

Thank you for making this. I couldn't make it through Avatar 2. It's just too boring. The visuals are nice, but an hour of those visuals was more than enough. Your summary has MUCH more character than the movie did.

THANK YOU!!!! You literally said everything I felt after watching just 20mins of this film... it was a painful 20mins...

What annoyed me is that they literally moved to the beach for no reason. They freaked out and left their home just to then go and fight the humans anyway (getting almost everyone else killed in the process), they could have just stayed at home and it would have been the same outcome and perhaps they wouldn't have almost wiped everyone out. The entire premise of the film (moving to this water place) basically has no real reason for happening.

The only thing I remember about Avatar 1, is that the dude betrayed his whole species for some blue cheeks.

"... he was the forerunner of making tridimensional female action heroes" - shows Ellen Ripley in Aliens, a character who debuted 7 years earlier, in Ridley Scott's Alien. Cameron didn't invent that character, nor was he the forerunner of making good female action heroes... with or without Sarah Connor.

I was honestly thinking that people only remember going to see avatar. Because after rewatching it out of the theater is actually a kinda boring movie. You didnt say GGs?

Never understood when critics use the phrase “emotional manipulation” when the whole purpose of a movie is to move you emotionally. Every scene , every musical note, every lighting setup, camera angle , colour pallet is designed to play with your emotions.

@bertimusprime7900

Жыл бұрын

The manipulation part comes in when what is happening on screen doesn’t warrant the emotion they are attempting to illicit in you. They then rely on the music and lighting to convince you that the shallow tripe they peddle as writing is worth investing in.

@opupfg

Жыл бұрын

He explains it very clear in the video

@parry3439

Жыл бұрын

@@bertimusprime7900 mate if people are moved thanks to the music and lighting then the music and lighting is really goddamn good

@bertimusprime7900

Жыл бұрын

@@parry3439 true, but it also tricks them into thinking the other aspects are good. That’s the manipulation.

@oogskskfn

Жыл бұрын

@@parry3439 no it isn’t you literally just need to use a simple chord progression using strings… also it’s been done for 40 years so most movies that do it in such a cheap way do it the EXACT same way every time, you can literall count to three for each of the times the music comes in cause of how unoriginal and rudimentary it is

I personally think that first Avatar is way better because we get some beautiful world building. You have a genuine sense of wonder discovering this new world, all the weird animals and stuff. Jake getting that big dragon was so great. But now seeing that again, with his litter of stupid children, and villains just being frustratingly powerful, and the huge potential of that god girl being wasted… no thank you!

So, humans have interstellar travel, but they can't take out a primitive species. And they have to go toe to toe with them when fighting instead of just picking them off from orbit...

I feel mostly the same about Mario. I loved the movie, but it was just a theme park ride. Great visuals, lots of cool references, but didn't tell much of a story.

James Cameron needs to work on something else. Seriously.. Avatar, while a beautiful world, I honestly don't care about it anymore.

Through its whole runtime Avatar 2 changed from - BORING - to - STUPID - to - BORING - and back to - STUPID. Avatar 2 was even worse than 1.

I wanted to walk out after about 35 minutes, then just about the halfway point, the fire alarm in the theater went off so I didn't have to make the decision. The variable framerate was the most idiotic thing I've seen. Completely ruined the movie.

@TauruSeason

Жыл бұрын

POV You sit in a 4k dual laser projector iSense IMAX HFR 3D theater so you hardly notice any higher frame rate let alone any changes when this was exactly why you were intrested in the movie in the first place: to experience that new imagery. So if ou noticed anything different than usual just be informed you were not experiencing it in a place this movie was made for.

@kurtdewittphoto

Жыл бұрын

@@TauruSeason Huh? Cameron himself talked about how the film would utilize 24fps and 48fps framerates, alternating depending on the scene... It changed completely randomly with seemingly no rhyme or reason. General audiences prob don't notice it, I'm in the minority. It was an idiotic decision.

I think Avatar does go deep, people just won't look into Eywa, the people, the connections between all living things etc... This movie was with me when I was a kid and I've watched all sorts of movies, Avatar 2 being by far my favourite visually, but the first Avatar movie will always have my heart as they thought of everything, from the animal's teeth being black due to the natural carbon fiber in their bones to the planet literally being alive. I think the reason I love it so much is because I love anything to do with nature and such. But I do understand other people's opinions on the movies.

@AlphaCentauri24

Жыл бұрын

I bet you find Twilight deep too.

@eg-draw

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch Disney's Pocahontas? Try it next time

@matane2465

Жыл бұрын

None of that matters if you don't have a good story.

@alsy6813

10 ай бұрын

I was eight when I first saw avatar, and it was the first adult movie I ever experienced -- and I fell in love with it, completely. It shaped my interests and who I ended up being as a person, and I didn't care about any problem anyone could see with the plot -- I loved it, and still do. Watching avatar 2 made me sad that I'm no longer a child. I wish to love it just as much, to get lost in the world just as much... But, sadly, I can't. I loved the visuals, and found the plot passable. The first avatar is still my favourite movie of all time, even if I'm biased.

@adventurouspeach

6 ай бұрын

I honestly think films like the lorax, and princess mononoke do a better job at discussing the connection of living things and taking care of the land As said here while it has some good themes it isnt particularly deep And it certainly doesn't have near 3 hours of run time worth of deep or connections It has moments at best

LED BY THE OUTSDER Trope is a real psychological phenomenom throughout history... from Arminius to modern high schools

oh and i forgot to mention the final scene where the navi mother use the human child as a means of negotiation even when the human children was basically raised by herself and the family she menace him with a knife and in the next scene it is all normal hugs and love wtf

I love the nickname for the white savior trope mighty whitey its so funny for some reason

Took one of the best naps of my life during the movie.

460 million Dollars for the effects, 460 bucks for the writer.

@-Muhammad_Ali-

Жыл бұрын

@@elduderino1972 the old man apparently lost it this time

this movie was somehow an even weaker storyline of colonization. it was simply a slightly changed plot version of the first movie. instead of humanizing the atrocious sky people and seeing the pandora people suffer all over again, i wish they would’ve kept the humans out of this movie entirely. seeing the forest people struggle with their deteriorating environment bc of the previous humans destruction and subsequently discovering and battling the water people (for some reason idk rn) would’ve been much more interesting. it would’ve added a layer of nuance to the first movies plot of colonization that not many movies have covered. AND the audience, especially the black and indigenous ones, wouldn’t have to see this plot again bc it’s painful and nothing special.

Nah sorry but I liked avatar, maybe less ‘explosions and more story’ but otherwise I loved it

@mickthetic

Жыл бұрын

He’s just a bitter asshole how could you not love this movie for the designs alone

I think one of the reasons for a poorly written plot (simple plot) is just money, because James Cameron wanted to make a lot of money from this movie ,so he can continue working on future movies. My dad forgot about pretty much everything that happened in first movie, but still enjoyed Avatar 2. People who are not into movies still watch them and you have to consider every viewer, not only movie fans.

“Avatar is great to look at, but it ends there” on the nose

@whatda7705

Жыл бұрын

I loved the characters and the world so thats enough for me

I remember watching this movie in the background of doing a puzzle. Yes, when i looked up I got sucked into what was happening, but i definitely felt during the second act "bloody hell is it still going?" it really couldve benefited from being shorter and not having the most infuriating cliche of letting a joker tier of irredeemable villain just get away to perpetuate the cycle in the next film.

Also, about the editing, I noticed some scenes were like 60 frames per second and then the others were like 30

100% an experience and an “event” and there’s nothing wrong with that. Not every movie has to be like Nolan’s films or super deep. They just have to give you an enjoyable experience and hopefully something that strikes you, which this movie definitely did. The story wasn’t crazy good but it was enjoyable.

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

There are reasons why Nolan's films flops at BO. Their complex story did not really make audience connect to the film.

@CloseYourBrownEyes

Жыл бұрын

James Cameron > Nolan

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

I watched interstellar because i love science films. I get most of the stories but it still so complex that it looses my interest. Even my friends lose interest watching it. It's not because people are dumb, it's just you go to see movies to be entertained, not to be challenged like you're solving a math problem in school.

@daudimasinde6280

Жыл бұрын

@@randomly_random_0 Nolan's films have grossed $5 billion worldwide, but I guess to you that's flopping. Smooth-brained and ignorant.

@oogskskfn

Жыл бұрын

@@randomly_random_0 interstellar has like no actual science or anything jargon specific in it, it was an Uber emotional story that’s mostly dramatic, if that was too complex and scientific then avatar is perfect for you

I'm still wondering why nobody bothered to rescue Spider, the movie talks about family. But as soon as one of their close family friends gets captured, they fuck off and go to another tribe? The other humans in the beginning of the movie also don't seem to give a shit that a long standing member of their group got kidnapped.

@couch_philosoph3325

Жыл бұрын

Yeah i wished they had developped on that more. They did in the end with the mother taking spider hostage. But they could have really had an emotional story with it. Spider being like "yeah you have no chance, they gonna rescue me!" And then they just don't come. And you see spider crying in his cell, slowly realizing that he was always the outsider. They could have also expanded on the agony he must feel not being able to connect to the animals and ewya. I mean image everyone around you feels this deity energy and can make emotional bonds with animals. But you cant. And you will never be able to, just because of the way your body is made. That's super hard

It did feel like I was watching a very long video game interlude.

One of the biggest problems I had with this movie was it felt like there were way too many scenes that drug on for way too long to the point where it felt like you could cut out 1/3 of the film and still have the same movie. Not to mention, as good as the visuals were, there were some scenes that felt like they had Spy Kids level graphics.

T2 could be called a copy of The Terminator. But because Cameron is James Cameron, no one noticed it at first. And a lot of audiences arent noticing the similarities.

@Goblinhandler

Жыл бұрын

His only original movie is Aliens, everything else is either a rehash or slight modification

I have to agree with you on this review. I felt like I was watching Planet Earth or Planet Blue, the visuals felt very immersive at times. The plot was very shallow at best. I still think "That's why the sky people came back??". Great looking movie, extremely, great story telling, hard no.

Bruh this movie is basically the same as the first first but they extended the “discovery channel” moments.

I hate the way they give out their message. Humans and technological development = bad Navi and naturism = good The bad guys have no goodness whatsoever And the good guys are pure angles who have never committed a crime in their life People forget that this was for humanity’s survival. People forget that Jake was meant to negotiate on humanity’s behalf, but he betrayed humanity just because he fell in love with blue girl. The movie said that it’s impossible for a modern technology driven world to coexist with Mother Nature. They pottery nature as the ultimate thing, when it isn’t. They pottery the natives as the ultimate things when they aren’t. Also, it’s stupid. How would humanity even let this happen in the first place. Either that, or just go all Fallout. It would make sense if Earth were alive and well, or Mars had been terraformed, and it was just humans being greedy and wanting more resources and territory. This though? Nope!

This is a good example of how drama can be lost to spectacle

@chasehedges6775

Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍

Too many kids and don't EVEN get me started on "Spider"!! Like wtf was that character?!

@dinok5697

Жыл бұрын

A human who was raised in a non-human society, longed for some kind of connection, had massive dad issues because of his father's actions, etc.

@hallaja8338

Жыл бұрын

@@dinok5697 ever heard of a rhetorical question?

To be fair though I don't think the story in Avatar 2 is a complete copy and paste of the original because it at least focuses on a different theme. The original had an environmental message while Avatar 2 had a message about family.

@hexahedronhead7516

Жыл бұрын

Avatar 2 did significantly more with the environmental theme than it did with anything about family. If anything, I think the focus on the dead horse that is ‘humans bad for environment’ detracted from what could have been a movie with something unique to say. For example, the gratuitous scene of the whale getting captured and killed, which had no bearing on the plot whatsoever.

@sumukhsai2097

Жыл бұрын

I really didn't see any family theme except it being explicitly mentioned. The middle son, is a supposed "outcast", we don't see a single scene why. The story had more anti whaling theme. Could care so little about Sullys kids and felt bad only for the whales.

@joemiller5119

Жыл бұрын

@@sumukhsai2097 What about that kid who got shot to death, you didn't feel bad for him?

@sumukhsai2097

Жыл бұрын

@@joemiller5119 No. It was super predictable and had no tension towards it. All the kids had plastic personality and I legit couldn't tell the difference between the two brothers as they never bothered to flesh them out even with three hours. Not that i have a problem with predictable. But, teen soaps do a better job at fleshing these stuff out lol.

@heythere9371

Жыл бұрын

The fact that you think the message was "humans bad for environment" shows how shallow YOU are. You aren't mentally equipped to understand the message if you are that far off

Tbh the first movie is so much better than avatar 2 and they could’ve made the second movie amazing if they wrote the script right I’d watch avatar 1 again over the second movie Also I was a bit disappointed that they re used quaritch guy or whatever that was the main villain and didn’t use another new villain or new enemy … :/

@tickledonions9483

Жыл бұрын

Avatar 1 was a lot grittier and cinematic. It was actually cool, they had a whole planet to play around with. But they didn't do crap with all that in Avatar 2.

@tickledonions9483

Жыл бұрын

@@dianashepherd3241The character hardly had any development in Avatar, it was just like the main bad guy which we don't even see for most of the movie. The only thing new about Quadritch is that he's got a kid (COINCIDENCE????). Dude the whole point of Spider is so that they could bring back Quadritch and 'develop' the character. The "father son" relationship was so forced, it was so random and unnecessary. The message of the film is obviously about family, we don't need to have it shoved in our faces. But the movie treats us like little kids.

Any movie that is a critical, audience and box office success, and that makes the entire theater explode with applause and screams when a whale takes revenge on a whaler, is well made and well directed.

@favioavalos

Жыл бұрын

@@jonny_laguna maybe in your country it's cool to put down the avatar to feel smarter, but it's a critical hit on rotten tomatoes, I guess they are 7 years old too

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@favioavalos So a Michael Bay film is equivalent of a masterpiece in your eyes too? Do you enjoy a movie that has dumb dialogue? Okay I respect that.

@favioavalos

Жыл бұрын

@@ophanimangel3143 michael bay movies never have good scores on rotten tomatoes, way of water have 77 percent critics scores, and 92 percent audiens scores, y suposse you're smarter than all that professional crttics

@ophanimangel3143

Жыл бұрын

@@favioavalos I’m talking about the dialogue on both their films you muppet! The dialogue in Michael Bay and Avatar films are like written by someone who’s mentally 10 years old without any creativity or better use of vocabulary in their speeches.

drinking game: everytime 'bro' is uttered in Avatar 2, take a shot of space-whale-brain juice.

It maddens me to no end: 2 hours, solid story, and this movie would've been true masterwork. As it is, it's a healthy substitute for sleeping pills!

I saw this film with two of my friends last night. The cinema was completely empty, so we just joked throughout the entire movie. If they weren’t there I doubt I would have stayed to watch it.

@Souphover

Жыл бұрын

So nobody liked this movie come on 🥺

@djkailobass

Жыл бұрын

@@SouphoverDon’t worry I loved this movie, there’s always gonna be haters for any movie. What matters is you like the movie who cares what other people think and trust me there’s a lot of people that love this movie. When it ended in the theaters literally every single person clapped because it was so good and it was packed. Don’t worry people love this movie

@GIBBO4182

Жыл бұрын

@@djkailobass is someone automatically a “hater” if they have a different opinion to you?

@Meop79

Жыл бұрын

@@Souphover lots of people will enjoy it... but those people don't think they are just there to observe the spectacle.

@djkailobass

Жыл бұрын

@@GIBBO4182 No It just seems like a lot of people are hating on it

Question for anyone who’s seen Avatar 2… Hows the music comp? James Horner was one of the greatest composers of all time (died 2015). For me, music can make or break a fantasy movie.

@WanderlustZero

Жыл бұрын

Honestly thought it was pretty good. It took me away, and gave me the same feels as the first film and it wasn't until after the film I remembered Horner had died :'(

@randomly_random_0

Жыл бұрын

Simon Franglen is the composer. He worked with James Horner and Cameron in Titanic and the first Avatar

@chrisf1600

Жыл бұрын

Totally forgettable

@grenha8

Жыл бұрын

it was good until the credits, like usual they have to put some pop garbage singer, this time The Weekend

@daffy5163

Жыл бұрын

@@grenha8 That was legitimately the only glaring flaw of the entire film. The end credits score was an interesting choice, but it's set to the back drop of frolicking sea life. So, it works. And Way of Water was predominantly a teenager story. So, it fits.

Some of the problem with this movie was that the humans weren't evil enough. If Colonel bad guy isn't willing to kill people to interrogate them then he's not going to make any progress. One of his privates even said hey we're not going to kill this woman. Are we well there is your problem

although some things come off as copy and paste, it is a deliberate environmental message. the first movie's message "protect our forests" the second movie "protect our oceans" and colonel paralleling jake's exact journey in some instances is to show an obvious way that they differ, because one embraced navi while the other hates navi. i figure they're setting up a long redemption arc

@Goblinhandler

Жыл бұрын

Still not an excuse for being lazy lol

@MM-pv5tp

Жыл бұрын

I think Avatar’s message is about treatment of indigenous people

7:33 is so facts, especially during the end when „things happened“, it didn’t really have an impact and the feeling that was meant to be created was washed away by the next big visual. the movie is so long yet doesn’t take it’s time to make characters feel important.

Can we just come out & say it: Sam Worthington can’t act his way out a paper bag. The man is wooden beefcake & with the screen presence of driftwood passing in the night.

@Malt454

Жыл бұрын

The real problem is that he never had to act and people still raved over the first movie; it's the reason that this one can also be crap and still bring in over $1 billion. People blame Hollywood for the low standards that audiences constantly endorse.

@lucas169

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping he would go more Alex Mason in this movie since he's been living in the woods and killing people for the past 30 years, but that sadly didn't happen.

@ridethetiger9092

Жыл бұрын

@@Malt454 Your not wrong, so many people I meet have no discernment & uncritically gobble up whatever schlock Hollywood puts in front of their pie hole. Out of the crooked timber of humanity, nothing straight was ever made.

@eliaspeter7689

Жыл бұрын

@@lucas169 30 years... that doesn't seem to add up huh.

@lucas169

Жыл бұрын

@@eliaspeter7689 I don't even know. I looked up afterwards and it's 15 years but I could've sworn the movie said 30.