The exmo community is unlike anything I ever experienced as a true believer, these are my people ♥️

@kellyanthony6118

6 ай бұрын

My peeps, too!

I’ve worked at places where every time someone left the company, they changed the security codes. Weird that The handshakes are exactly the same.

@mbanks7969

2 жыл бұрын

My mission president used nearly that EXACT analogy to justify recent changes in the endowment ceremony!

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 жыл бұрын

Great importance is attached to handshakes (both in the temple and in D&C 129) in the Mormon faith system, particularly as such handshakes are used as the key to getting past sentinel angels in order to access the most sacred parts of heaven in one case and in another case they're used for identifying demonic entities who will try to prove, by shaking your hand, that they are resurrected angels of light (and when you feel no hand, you know what they're up to). This leads me to the conclusion that there are no brains in heaven or in the spirit realm generally.

This was crazy. I was born and raised in the church, mission, temple marriage, and all the check marks. My wife and I left about 4 year ago. I’ve never heard some of these things. Won’t be going to bed anytime soon as I read about the Kirtland Safety Society and the 1800s temperance movement.

Just discovering this channel while I'm working the night shift, ironically, at my job on BYU campus😅... Great conversations, simply great. You guys sound more real and genuine than any church leader I've listened to. I feel somewhat stuck between a rock and a hard place, however, trying to weigh the costs and benefits of leaving the church. It would devastate my parents, my mom in particular. Social life outside the church here in Provo is hard to come by, haha. It's really hard for me to see a life outside the church. The church really does set you up for a hard, hard fall should you leave. The all or nothing mentality is what keeps so many from leaving I imagine. Even just entertaining the thought that the church might not be true was incredibly difficult for me. I thought there could be no meaning in life if it wasn't. Seeing people like you guys gives me hope that life can be good, even if I don't believe in Kolob, lol.

@nuancehoe

Жыл бұрын

When enough is enough, you’ll know and I’ll be time to sink or swim! There’s a whole community of people saying that right now in Provo! You’ll be alright 💫

john is precious i see him as my favorite exmo uncle

@mormonstories

2 жыл бұрын

❤️

I'm was a convert. All the elders that I talked to didn't know about the facts either. They were just kids. And it's forbidden to look at any information that isn't from the church. Now it's really easier to get to information . Love your videos. I also watch Zelf on the shelf and Mormon podcast. You guys helped me leave.

@gapsdietforweightloss6470

2 жыл бұрын

I think this channel is an ass for such a misleading thumb.

Fun fact: I had been thinking about going my own way for months and months before quitting Mormon Stories and finally am close to making a living doing my own content, working for myself on Patreon and YT so support me over there if you have a few bucks to spare! I love how supportive all the ex-tithe payers are! Every dollar adds up and helps a ton! PLUS exclusive content I don't post anywhere else. Support me on Patreon and come be my hoes. It would mean the world. www.patreon.com/nuancehoe

@China-Clay

2 жыл бұрын

Best wishes Carah I’m so glad you are here!

@Lucifersfursona

2 жыл бұрын

Carah your edits are holding my brain stem together

@danyab1377

2 жыл бұрын

You go gurl!! Love your content! Love from Canada ❤️✌🏻

I love these, keep them coming whenever you can I can't believe that African investigators aren't being informed about the racist policies of the church

@huffdaddy3845

2 жыл бұрын

That would be like a used car salesman telling you the car you're buying is is a complete piece of crap. The church has to have the missionaries lie or omit the truth and history of its racist doctrines and scriptures in order to sucker black/brown people into joining. This is one of the church's most deceptive and dishonest practices I know of. I don't think many Africans would join if they knew the truth up front.

@amazinmaven

2 жыл бұрын

It's like marrying someone only to find out they were previously married and divorced over domestic abuse convictions you had no idea about.

@daveyjones9930

Жыл бұрын

If LDS Inc. weren't FORCED to reveal their racist stance, we as well as the Africans would not know about it. Fortunately... *THEY WERE FORCED!!*

"Line upon line, precept on precept" ... aka poisoned by degrees.

@huffdaddy3845

2 жыл бұрын

It ought to be stated more accurately "lie upon lie, deception upon deception ".

@GuyRegular

8 ай бұрын

More like a lie upon lie deception by deception

I would love to see "top things" people aren't told about Emma Smith. The evolution of how Emma is perceived by the LDS church members and those who are "leaders" - vs. how she is STILL perceived as being by FLDS and other fundamental circles.

@TuathaTuna

2 жыл бұрын

She also denied denied denied to her grave that JS had other wives. She didn’t want her son’s authority at the RLDS church to be tarnished by that scandal. They’re all con men, and women

@kellyreilly-robinson2130

Жыл бұрын

@@TuathaTunaI see Emma as a victim of the time period. As a woman you were considered dependent on a man. Sadly women then were more imprisoned then today

I was baptized at age 8 with mom. In 1978, at age 19, I went on my mission to Michigan. At the time we were expected to memorize each discusión verbatam. We were told that the discussusions were inspired and that we should never veer of topic and avoid any discussion that could be considered deep doctrine. The church whole policy has always been to keep new converts away from any from any church doctrine or history that could be considered problematic.

@scottbrandon6244

2 жыл бұрын

I remember the 1990s when the six discussions were on rehearsed flip charts.

@GuyRegular

8 ай бұрын

I went through the missionary discussions years ago. They never told me that Mormons believed that God was once a man and we can become gods. They lied to me about Joseph Smith. Never making any false prophecies. They lied to me about book of archeology proving the book of Mormon. When I asked him if the golden plates were in salt lake City in a museum, they didn't tell me that an angel took him to heaven. Supposedly they said. Oh yeah, we know where they are and they're safe. When I visited salt lake City a couple years later, I expected to see the plates and then suddenly they sprung it the reality on me that they were taken back to heaven by an angel

@jake8882

6 ай бұрын

Well said Steve. Funny, I had the same experience

I am currently a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am fresh out of High School, and my natural desire to search for the truth has directed me to almost all of the gospel topics essays you have referenced. Admittedly, this is a HUGE challenge to anyone's faith in Joseph Smith as a prophet. I feel inspired by you to critically evaluate all of the points you brought up. I've already started studying what you labeled as the 'apologist's' defense for the Book of Mormon and the "weak" arguments... But anyway, I do think it is very important that people know the truth about Joseph Smith, so it is good you are bringing light to it. Although it is obvious that you have clear resentment toward the religion, you are presenting it in a mostly unbiased fashion, even using Church sanctioned articles, and I respect that. Thanks again

@jpr9863

Жыл бұрын

Glad you are taking a serious look at the material that was mentioned in their video, but I think you may agree they are (and the rest of us who left for similar reasons) are allowed some resentment after discovering the Brethren had an active hand in lying to us about the origins of the church, either through obfuscation or outright lying.

Thank you ,you three for having enough spine to share your research with us. It helps cement what I sensed already as an adolecant and young adult. I'm in my 70's, quit attending at 18 yrs old.

As a member I was told that the bank just happened to fail, and then people got mad. The people aren't perfect Such misrepresentation

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. It was "just one of those things" and "stuff happens". And, anyway, nothing is the fault of the Prophet. If anything goes wrong it's because the members of the church weren't righteous enough or God was testing their faith. That's why it's so important to "doubt your doubts" because God will "never let the prophet lead the church astray" and just because it was the prophet who told the members of the church that, it doesn't meant that this is a case of circular logic as in "we know that the prophet will never lead us astray because the prophet told us that the prophet will never lead us astray." So it all makes sense if you are willing to rely on faith instead of common sense.

Missionaries won’t tell because they’ll get scolded by their Mission Leaders.

Thanks for the shoutout, Carah. Really good stuff!

@nuancehoe

2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Always! You two are the bomb! 🔥

@reddish22

2 жыл бұрын

@@nuancehoe keep up the good work!

It’s wild to me that my English teacher in grade 11 let my classmate bring in missionaries and bear her testimony as her final presentation. As a queer student dealing with my own religious trauma being forced to sit in that classroom was wildly uncomfortable. I transferred to a public school to get away from religious indoctrination and suddenly I’m once again sitting through that bullshit. In hindsight I definitely should have reported my teacher for that.

@delphinidin

Жыл бұрын

If that was in the US, the teacher might not have gotten in trouble. Teachers are not allowed to teach students about their own religious views directly--things like prayer in Bible study clubs must be "student-initiated and student-led", but the teacher can allow them to occur in their classrooms. They can even participate. When I was in high school, some of the teachers and even the principal joined the students in the "See you at the pole" prayers, they just couldn't initiate or lead them. When I was trained as a teacher they made a big deal out of how, as teachers, we had freedom of speech and could legally wear political/religious clothes or have political/religious things hanging in our classrooms, and that that was our legal right. I think the only way that teacher would have ultimately gotten in trouble would be if the missionaries actually said homophobic/discriminatory things in their presentation--and maybe not even then, since the teacher didn't directly say them.

@AlexanderJasperJay

Жыл бұрын

@@delphinidin I’m in Canada it was a public school. That very much isn’t supposed to be allowed. You can start a bible club or Quran club my school had both you can not try to use class time for missionary work.

@richardhouseplantagenet6004

Жыл бұрын

“I definitely should’ve reported that student for exercising freedom of speech/religion in their presentation!” said the regressive leftist, smugly awash in impenetrable doublethink.

John as “roast material”, that was good!

I just watched the documentary series on warren jeffs on Netflix and I was thinking the exact same - he was basically doing what Joseph smith and Brigham Young were doing and preaching…

Great episode! Can’t wait for part 3

I love it when Nuancehoe uses Simpsons references. It’s my favorite!

Carah, you have the best expressions and you provide such a good interaction with John. You are a star! 🌟

Love this discussion!

More interpretive hymns-dances please ❤😂😊

I am really loving these collabs. You three bring great ideas and energy together!👍🏻

Awesome trio! Good to see y'all! Yeehaw! I'm diving in for a listen....🐬♥️

Great job guys; great episode, lots of fun... very spot-on. marcus

So friggin informative, great stuff 👌🏼👌🏼😊great trio!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Excellent discourse that dove into meaningful aspects and concepts about historicity combined with the emotional collateral discordance required to deny facts. Truly enjoyed your camaraderie when delving into individual and shared experiences, plus fascinating insights into social/tribe behavioral factors. Looking forward to part Three M

@nuancehoe

2 жыл бұрын

Yay! Thanks!

every little piece of info john drops blows my mind a tiny bit more

Samantha said how she wasted six years of her life .. but no she didn’t ! Look at how much she has gained because of it. The knowledge to share on a social platform which goes out to countless individuals, saving the ones who haven’t yet been drawn into a damaging cult and also helps those having gone through a faith crisis of their own not to feel isolated or shameful in the eyes of family and friends who may be judgmental and alienating towards them. I often have felt two thirds of my life was stolen from me, and will still likely experience the replications to the end of my mortality. But then .. I think about how my character, empathy, and compassion has developed exponentially throughout my challenging years. My immediate family will most likely never go beyond where they are at in terms of inner growth and awareness. But damn .. sometimes it hurts .. it hurts a lot .. mostly because of my now grown children who see me in a tainted light… because of their father and righteous stepmother in Rexburg.. ahh ! Yes.. my ex is employed by none other than BYUI as an instructor. And yet .. I was the one who gave up my degree, and devoted my entire life to my young family. I held huge callings outside of Utah, was the one who built pinewood derbies, and huge platters of homemade goodies for church events, breastfed all seven of them lol, and never did their dad lift a finger to help with the domestic chores or babies while we were married. I gave birth to a baby one Friday .. and Monday .. after being up all night .. got up to get the other 4 in school ready .. drive them to school .. and hoped the newborn and toddler wouldn’t wake up while I did so.. as my priesthood holder husband was snoring away .. I looked at him that morning and flipped him off lol.. resolving to somehow dissolve the marriage. He was also extremely verbally and physically abusive with the kids at the time. One evening as he came out of his office on the computer.. where he promptly retreated to after work each evening .. he scolded me for not praying twenty minutes a day .. I was running around like a chicken with my head cut off.. after making a homemade dinner, and juggling homework, and two in diapers, etc. That was one more thing on my wobbly shelf .. I told him that I think God can see that what I am doing is the Lords work and he would be patient with me regarding an exact twenty minute prayer ugh. He said .. his goal was to see angels .. and some dude who wrote a church book .. George W. Pace .. said praying twenty minutes a day on our knees would be the only way.. Well.. what my ex doesn’t know is that I had angels guiding me every moment .. and still do. And why is it that he started to provide and stop the child abuse after I dumped his ass .. and he’s the perfect husband and father now? He came home drunk one night when the kids were tiny .. and put wine coolers in the fridge. My four year old got into the fridge and started drinking one lol.. I was so Mormon then .. I mean LDS .. sorry Rusty. But I got angry and told him I would end the marriage if he ever brought alcohol in the house again.. Ahhh the irony .. and now .. I’m the rebel mom .. the lost soul drinking a Jack and coke at a sports bar.. and a fridge full of Mike’s hard lemonade lol.. hmm 🧐. Oops I wrote a novel .. no one will even read this lol.. but it helped me process a few things 😊.

@stephenjennings3844

2 жыл бұрын

Had to log on just to let you know I read your "novel". There are times you just have to get things off your chest and I guess this is one of them. So sorry to read what you went through. Wishing you have the best of opportunities ahead.

@SamanthaShelley

2 жыл бұрын

Did I say that?! That’s not how I feel, I’m so glad everything went down the way it did and led me to where I am! 🥰🥰

@jpr9863

Жыл бұрын

I read your "novel", too, and I'm angry and sad for what you endured from your asshole priesthood-holder husband. Your story is not the first of this kind of treatment women in the church have dealt with from the entitled LDS patriarchy. Women are just expected to put themselves aside and pop out these future tithe payers, often with little help if their husband has time-consuming and demanding callings, as they usually do. We had a man in our ward who was our Seminary teacher as well as our Gospel Doctrine teacher, and who after having 8 kids with his long suffering and ragged wife decided he "deserved" another "newer" woman after his kids were grown, and left his dear wife behind! Thankfully, our ward rallied around her during that humiliating time. Just another example of how this church boosts the egos of the men and lays the obligations for much of the unsung work of raising a family on the women. My best to you.

@Patchdee1

Жыл бұрын

Your story was wonderful! Thanks for sharing.

@chargree

Жыл бұрын

That story breaks my heart. And I don’t want to offend you, but SHAME on the children for not giving you the love and credit you deserve for RAISING them. SHAME on the idiot that married him now and plays right into the whole thing. But mostly, SHAME on him. It appears to be some sort of mental disorder for someone to do what he did and NOT take responsibility for it. Narcissism maybe?

these little edits are so funny XD LOVE this content. All my favorite peeps

@nuancehoe

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks! Anyone who doesn’t like my edits are losers in other words. 😏

Good stuff, gang!

My 3 favorite exmo KZreadrs! Love y'all

This was great!

Love this!

I saw how uninformed and un educated missionaries are when I had 2 show up at my door when I lived in arizona. I told them I knew all about their culty religion because I grew up in southern Idaho. The missionary then proceeded to tell me that there weren't any Mormons in idaho so I had to be mistaken. I just stood there with my mouth open. I asked if he'd never heard of byu Idaho to which he said byu was in Utah. Now I don't know if he truly didn't know that Idaho is the state above Utah and southern Idaho is essentially little Utah or if he really didn't know that Idaho exists or if he didn't know what to say so he just denied everything. To this day, I can't believe he would be that uninformed.

@Geoplanetjane

Жыл бұрын

He was gaslighting you.

Love the edit ... the clips are spon on ... chefs kiss 🤌

You guys nailed it. I escaped the Baptist cult which like the Mormon cult is all about dependence on authority rather than trusting your own heart and mind.

I learned so much. Thank you

I am loving this.

Love this video! The inclusion of clips was distracting at times (maybe limit it to 2 or 3), but other than that it was spot on!

Samantha gave some really good analysis/comparisons she needs to come on again!

So many excellent points in this podcast. The church is so manipulative with investigators (and really with missionaries too). It's sickening.

"Join my bank, or we're done" lol

So informative thank you love from Canada 🇨🇦 ❤

I still remember back in the 1990s a newly released bishop and his newly returned RM daughter spoke at my ward. The daughter gave a decent talk about her mission and the gospel. The father however gave a talk that the elders and bishopric were not happy with. They had seven investigators in the pews that day. The ex-bishop proceeded to tell everyone about facts of the early LDS church. His topics included the Smith family history of treasure digging, the failed Kirtland Bank, the fact that Joseph Smith spoke often about how men lived on the moon, Brigham Young's Adam-God theory, high levels of apostasy in the Kirtland period, and links between the Book of Mormon and stories of early American settlers coming by boat (divergent history).

36:00 I didn’t know about garments until the Mike Wallace interview with Gordon B. Hinckley and I was like “wth”?

Most of them won't tell you because they don't even know.

If I had been Joseph Smith and God "suggested" to me that smoking, alcohol and coffee/tea were bad in his sight, I believe I would have treated that "suggestion" as a Commandment right from the get-go!

@kellyreilly-robinson2130

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

47:12 heck, the missionaries didn’t even tell its past racist history to Latinos in both the U.S. and in Latin America. Didn’t know about the priesthood ban as a kid until I spoke with an ex-Mormon.

@rubendhoyos9886

2 жыл бұрын

So if Missionaries won’t say anything or didn’t say anything to Latinos about it’s history, then why would they do it in Africa?

@kellyreilly-robinson2130

Жыл бұрын

@@rubendhoyos9886they leave out the racist past while on missions.

Very interesting. I've been a member of the church since October of 2019. I've learned alot about the early days of joey. When I joined the church, I had a dream that the church went "dark side"...and that's why I joined it. When I first saw and heard him speak, I saw a darkness around the "prophet"...profit? Welp anywho, glad I found your channel miss. Gonna subscribe!

The talk about not connecting to the BOM is so validating. Born and raised and I just couldn't focus or get anything out of it. And I love to read!

This whole series has been one "Holy shit" moment after another. I knew that the mormons were shady, simply from the people trying to convert me over the years, but damn!

That was my first temple experience.! 🤣 I went through once and never went back.

That thing where you start noticing folks who drive the same car is called the Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon or more simply thee Frequency Illusion. Everyone knows what it is, but they don't all know the weird German name for it. Ha!

The end has me dying 😂

Please allow me to preface how much I love all of your guys’ videos. Over-talking…please be aware that you don’t over talk each other. Sam. lol

Totally agree with the point that reading the D&C (really reading it) is a good way to lose one's testimony. I mean one section is about how God is commanding the members of the church to build a nice house for Joseph Smith. Another one is about God telling Joe and some guys to go to Salem, Massachusetts on a treasure hunt for gold and silver and promising that they would find it. (Spoiler: They didn't find anything.) Then there's a section about how you can test whether an entity appearing to you is demonic or divine, by offering to shake the entity's hand. If the entity agrees to shake your hand but you don't feel any hand, that means it's a demonic entity. There's no evidence that this very important section of one of the key books of Mormon scripture has ever been useful even once in the entire history of the church. Basically, the entire D&C is just a collection of convenient "revelations" that Joe got basically saying in effect: "Hey, God told me to tell you that God wants you to do this thing for me...and if you don't' do this thing for me God will be unhappy."

@johnlee1352

Жыл бұрын

Stop it. You never had a testimony. Just a poser in the church...thanks for leaving. We would have eventually thrown you out. Too weak and confused.

Carah you clean up good. Looking dressed up and nice hair. Keep up the colorful tops and clean flowing hair do! Looking good babe !!

The explanation I got for the anachronisms like horses in the book of mormon was that either horses were there but went extinct in the Americas before Europeans first showed up or smith was trying to describe some other animal that he didn't have a word for, so he translated it as horses. Kind of like when the Spanish showed up with horses, the indigenous people started using their word for deer to describe them, as they didn't have a word for horse at the time. That's the thing with trying to debunk Mormonism by pointing out mistakes like that. There's always some way to rationalize them. You'd think the fact that there are so many things they have to explain away like that, it'd make more of them suspicious.

@annieonpaper

3 ай бұрын

If there were extinct horses we would find archeological evidence. And the natives weren't using other animals as work animals, natives didn't use work animals at all, they were hunter/gatherers and didn't domesticate any animals besides maybe dogs. They certainly weren't riding anything, or using animals to carry anything, if they did, there would be evidence. There's also no archeological evidence of all those battles JS described. And if there were Israelite North American tribes there would be DNA evidence. There is no evidence to any of his wild claims. It's pretty easy to debunk their weak apologetics attempts.

Lol John is a vibe on your set 😂 Nice to see him chillin 😎 Does he drive a fiat? Can he rap?

@TEAM__POSEID0N

2 жыл бұрын

A Fiat? Well, that would be a compact...but luckily the seat would go back. Chillin? I'm sure he has a knack to relax, but I don't know if he likes sipping red, red wine.

Temple recommends at 53:17. Today many bishops will not give a recommend to a member who is less active in the church. There are no questions in the current interview about church attendance but some bishops are still using it as a requirement to get the temple recommend.

Nobody could loan John a midriff top?

@mylesmarkson1686

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he did show off his porn-ankles in the last episode.

@deeperthings

2 жыл бұрын

That's it! John, we must see your shoulders, man.

@China-Clay

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly the new glasses are his sexy new brand

Yay! Three of some of my fav ex-mos!

In my mind there are only TWO logical options when you start researching Mormon history: 1. The entire thing is a fraud. 2. Taylor Drake's model of Mormonism is correct That's it. It's not possible to believe the modern LDS church is "true" while also acknowledging these factual historical issues. Those are the only options that are acceptable (while not looking like an idiot)

There are some similarities in this discussion with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mega Christian churches (like Hillsong).

Hill Cumorah at 8:33. Decades ago they would tell members there was a secret tunnel in the side of Hill Cumorah where there were additional "material" (artifacts, scriptures, etc.). The story was in the early days of the church the leaders would go into the cave and have another form of the "School of Prophets".

John looks so young and hip !

@Geoplanetjane

2 жыл бұрын

He rocks!

54:20 I was BIC and the story of Joseph Smith and his leg was part of a whitewashed book for children to learn about the founder. That book definitely didn’t cover his polygamy. Lol

I would say another confirmation biases is how we explain it sometimes too. We sometimes treat it like we will be looking for things that only directily confirm our bubble. But we can in fact both be having not as much information come in and still be in some sense exposing ourselves to divergent views and analyzing them. Our confirmation bias though may be a layer beyond that and that can be a bit of an important thing for us to understand whnr being skeptics because it is always a difficult balance in ensuring that even your skepticism and question of something doesnt itself even yourself doesnt lead to a different kind of confirmstion bias in what you start selecting for

One the Anti-banking con, JS also put dirt in the bottom of the money containers to make them appear more full to his investors.

21:38 That also reminds me of the relevance of the papyrus under the catalyst theory in light of just how much money it took to pay for the mummies and papyrus. $2,400 seems like a nice chunk of money today, but if you look up a U.S. inflation calculator and input $2,400, just in 1913 that's equivalent to $70k! So you KNOW Joseph Smith was crowd funding the equivalent of over six figures in today's value for the purchase of these mummies and papyri. There's no way Joseph didn't believe they were the literal, original documents of Biblical people (or at least pretended to believe). _Because you don't pay over six figures for a catalyst!_

@annieonpaper

3 ай бұрын

he just had a weird fascination with owning treasures, dont forget he was a treasure hunter himself (a very unsuccessful one). also no one knew egyptian so he knew it would be an easy way to attract more people to his little cult

Recently, I heard the following in a rap song: (Spoiler: It's a chiasmus!!!) I got My money On My mind and My mind on My Money Yo... That's when I knew that at least one of the Three Nephites is starting to make moves in the rap scene. Nothing else could explain that kind of Semitic complexity.

When I went to hand in my papers ,The Spirit I learned to seriously trust , literally said to me as I approached the mailbox , "You will do this Without my Support !" T'was Vvvvvvvvvvvery Frustrated Spirit yelling Ssssssssstop !!!

This is off topic from this video- but could be a great topic to cover for the coming Independence Day holiday-. Could you dive in to the obsession that is infiltrated with the founding fathers in the Mormon church? Apparently all the founding fathers have been baptized (for the dead?) and all my super Mormon friends have a painting of George Washington on their wall- surrounded by the constitution, etc. Perhaps a very niche topic- but would love a deep dive on that topic. Thanks for making this content! Love your perspective.

@longlivetheking4194

2 жыл бұрын

Washington was a 33 degree Freemason.

‘Mom’s cult radar went off’…should have listened😉

There were a series of cartoons that I remember seeing as a child that showed us many of these details with the propaganda spin that they are talking about. Anyone remember those cartoons, or have them on VHS (I don't know if they really lasted past that point of technology)?

Cara may want to interview this X christian guy at Bustin Jest youtube video: "The Story of Bustin Jest." His goal is to share some of the historical, Biblical and logical reasons he left Christianity and the Bible

Deutero-Isaiah references in the BOM makes as much sense as an “autonomous collective”in Middle Age England. I desire all to watch: Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

I have had these questions about most organized religions since I was 13. Crisis of faith? No, finding connections to people and nature. No god for me but I honor what most others believe, but I keep a wide berth.

Im not even Moron and this shiz is fascinating. I have a couple good Moron friends - über intelligent, educated and otherwise-reasonable dudes - and am just BAFFLED at how they can believe that obvious fraud. Baffled. It’s clearly psycho-emotional and cultural. Still - baffling.

John your looking great!!

56:05 😂

I totally didn't realize that was John! He looks like a hipster. 😂

Only caviat: it has now with creadible evidence been determined that Karesh ordered the compound to be set on fire after dosing it with gasoline

1:11:00😂😂 Abso-🚚-lutely And so say all of us. However you need to be at least 17 to realise that!

Polygamy reminds me of Alpha males in nature who have "harems". The bigger the harem, the stronger the alpha male. "Hear me roar".

Word of Wisdom at 53:04. The word of wisdom was not taken seriously in the early days. There is a reference in History of the Church volume one to the first council created to resolve disputes. The first case was a woman who complained a leader of the church was a merchant who also sold wine and a wine consumer. He had to be told to stop and set an example. Many members drank alcohol well into the 20th century. I did hear in the late 1940s temple worthiness interviews had mandatory questions about observing the word of wisdom. Of course now it is required for anyone wanting a recommend.

Perfect title for an article, _From Lies and Fraud to the Word of God: The Story of the Seer Stone_

I love all of y'all ❤️🥰🫀🥰❤️

Is there a long form version of that dance?

I would say, for me, the strongest argument of the BOM is that weird South American tablet they found that the church claims depicts Lehi's Dream. Not gonna lie, even now, years later, it totally does look like Lehi's Dream. It's actually kinda uncanny. Unless the tablet has been proved to be a forgery or something.

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I guess you may be talking about the Izapa, Mexico Stela 5 "Tree of Life" carving. (If you are talking about a different stone carving, I apologize for misunderstanding.) I remember years ago when it was a big thing and, TBH, even then I remember thinking that it didn't really make me think of Lehi's dream at all...until I read the interpretations that the church scholars somewhat arbitrarily assigned to different elements of the carving. Certainly there was something like a tree that reached up to the top of the carving from roots depicted toward the bottom. Bit this is not how the tree in Lehi's dream is described. In the dream it's just a tree that has fruit, not a tree that connects heaven and earth. Actually the tree in the carving reminds me more of Yggdrasil, the tree of life in Norse mythology, which lies at the center of the universe, than the tree in Lehi's dream. The fruit is the real point of the tree in Lehi's dream. But no character (animaloid or humanoid) in the carving is really paying any attention to fruit. And there were other elements in the carving that could generically correspond to commonplace elements referred to in the dream. An old man, something that looks like it may represent a river or water underground or the sea (it's not really clear), a straight line that maybe could be interpreted as representing a straight path... But in actuality most of the important elements of Lehi's dream did not seem to really be depicted in the carving and the meanings assigned via creative interpretation to some of the objects in the carving seemed to be quite forced and stretchy-stretchy compared to what was actually there. And there is nothing in the carving that really suggests a great and spacious building "filled with people, both old and young, both male and female...manner of dress exceedingly fine...attitude of mocking...", etc. There's nothing that really depicts the iron rod with people clinging to it to guide them through a dark mist. And then there are numerous elements in the carving that don't have any obvious connection to the dream story. The fact that they refer to it as the "tree of life" stela indicates that the tree was the first thing that the Mormon scholars got excited about and they then hoped that the depiction of a tree that seems to be important in the carving would be enough to build an interpretive framework around that would somehow ultimately be useful to create enough "parallels" to Lehi's dream (albeit based heavily on creative and somewhat arbitrary interpretations). I don't know if the word "pareidolia" exactly fits to describe the approach that the church has taken with the Izapa Stela 5, but it seems like a variation on that theme.

Add this to the. BOM Claim. OK, Moroni took the plates back. So we don't have the plates, but the stone box that the plates were in should still be there. Where is the stone box as evidence? Been to Cummorah twice, no rock box is there that they were in, or in the Church archives.

Just a point that men do still have a good chance at getting UTI even if it is reduced in comparison to women. The risk though reduced also often leads to further complications as well. No one wants to be getting those uti from a garment :P

Gaslighting when you are discovering things in history for the first time. Like the seer stone and top hat when you were taught another form of BM translation.

Oh, they know. Why else would they have forced John to be excommunicated

Correct me if I'm wrong but, the quote is: "Slavery is ordained of God." - Brigham Young. Then he made Utah a semi slave state. I mean, YES there was slavery but not as bad as in the deep south. (As if that makes SLAVERY okay) This was a big deal for me and I don't get why it doesn't get talked about more.

I'm still watching ....the last lonely Ex-Mo lol

Wow, John...I didn't recognize you...look well.