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@mylesmarkson1686

2 жыл бұрын

@against anti-Mormons Oh come on. If you're a really-good boy, you might even become a 2nd Annoint-Hoe!

@Lunatic4Bizcas

2 жыл бұрын

@against anti-Mormons : ¡ Hardy Har Har !

@zachlightcap2179

2 жыл бұрын

@against anti-Mormons are you 'for' Jason Wharton?? I'm trying to get a message to the Church about 'the Millennial government' and the Bahai religion.. Specifically Dr. NEAL CHASE and a Dr. LELAND JENSEN claiming to be 'the Lamb..' and 'Shiloh' and some other 'proofs' from Revealation that the 7th Angel would bring.. There's a book!! Its available!!😲..

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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I just want to say that I think it is heartwarming and I'm not trying to be overly sickly sweet, but really, heartwarming that you and John have this relationship post you being a permanent member of the MS show. There doesn't seem to be any acrimony after a work "break up" at all. Loved seeing you back on MS with the "other John" and I love this collaboration. It goes to show that good people can be good to each other and understand their needs to be true to themselves. Thanks, John and Carah for providing some positivity to this world when things look really bleak most of the time. It actually made me tear up a bit to see it.

@CarahBurrell

2 жыл бұрын

❤️😭

@gloriamosby7527

2 жыл бұрын

i agree i got misty eyed!!

@richarddick2955

2 жыл бұрын

You are barking up the wrong tree by trying to argue with John Gee. Dr Gee obviously didn't pay attention to what the Book of Abraham declared any more than you nor Mr. Osborne. We have been carefully watching Paul Gregesens video part 15. Paul has clearly demonstrated from the text itself what all of you obviously missed. In his new video he points out where Abraham was commanded to teach the Egyptians about a Hebrew astronomy ALONE! It says right in the text why the astronomy itself was nothing but an object lesson to teach the Egyptians about Abrahams family which was Israel. In other words, nothing in the entire Book of Abraham was claiming Egyptian anything unless it was counterfeiting Noah. Chapter one clearly says anything Egyptian was pure Idolatry! WHY DO YOU GUYS, ALONG WITH DR. GEE, AND OTHERS IGNORE THIS TEXTUAL FACT? What this means is this, trying to show discrepancies about Joseph Smith getting anything Egyptian wrong is ridiculous and a complete waist of everyone's time! The text clearly says God told Abraham to teach about Abrahams posterity ALONE!. Cant any of you guys read? watch Gregersen's newest video through, its right in front of your face! Joseph Smith said he only added the facsimiles to the Book of Abraham in order to demonstrate how false gods are fashioned. "Abraham 1:14" Egyptians counterfeiting Gospel truths in order to alter everyone's true understanding. See Abraham chapter one. In other words all Smith was doing is reversing what the Egyptians counterfeited and got wrong back into what God intended. God told him to only teach the Egyptians about his seed which is Israel. Trying to find parallels to Abraham in order to prove how Smith knew nothing about Egyptian by digging up copied similar sources is simply pure speculation without any real evidence. Harold Bloom the famous Jewish Scholar said it was an impossibility that Smith could have copied names and places that were discovered in the dead sea scrolls over a hundred years later. likewise Oleshem is documented name today that no living scholar knew of in 1840. The Book of the giants discovered in the dead sea scrolls document that Smith knew of many things in the Book of Enoch that no man on earth had yet discovered until the dead sea scrolls. The critics all ignore these real LIVING facts. The story about Ahijah is only one of many impossibilities that not only identified an exact characters ancient name but even described the very role he played in Enoch's life story. Joseph Smith obviously wasn't just making things up just because Osborne spends years of his life searching for any long shot similarity that he can discover just so he can call it a perfect match! All yellow journalists do that same thing everyday and always call it truth. Gregersen has connected the real Abraham story by contrasting the Egyptian falsehoods with Hebrew outcomes using exact mathematical connections that cannot be shown to be manipulated. He has demonstrated it to correlate the very same matched history as we see in Daniel chapter two and in Revelation 13:18. The same 666 combines into two separate timelines without a heart beat of deceptive ways to achieve it. GREGERSEN HAS DESTROYED DAN VOGELS THEORIES BY DEMONSTRATING EXACTLY WHY THEIR HAD TO BE A LONG SCROLL.

@FalconOfStorms

2 жыл бұрын

@@richarddick2955 Are you okay? Nobody here was talking about any of this.

@Moksha-Raver

2 жыл бұрын

@@FalconOfStorms Perhaps his rant was meant for another KZread video or a Fast n' Testimony meeting?

If I had known the background story of Joseph Smith back in 1978, I would never have joined the church. The leadership knows full well how devastating this knowledge would be in trying to convert nonmembers, so it is omitted by the missionaries, and is never talked about in church. I honestly feel like I was lied to. Back in 1978, the story I got was Joseph was a sincere, uneducated country boy who earnestly prayed and saw God and Jesus. That he literally translated the gold plates, but never a word about a stone in a hat, treasure digging, his polygamy and polyandry, and his teenage wives including two who were only 14. Don't even get me started on The Book of Abraham. The church is a complete fraud, and the leadership HAS to know it.

@jasonroyce295

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same experience when I joined the church in 2014. And also felt I was lied to when I discovered the truth seven years later.

@townsendv58

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Joined 1980 and left 1990s. I wish this was around then. However, what is done is done. I can look back and think I got out in time. It did have an impact on me.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on!!

@mattenger7064

2 жыл бұрын

You guys realize there is now a more true narrative regarding Jospeh. He was a Holy Prophet and not a Sexual Prophet. He never practiced plural marriage. He was in the process of excommunicating most of the 12 before his death. Most and all the sources your are drawing from are from sources that are 5/10/50 years after Joseph’s death and never contemporaneous. Brigham Young is the author of this mess and he along with all those that followers have edited truth and the real history. Joseph is and was a Holy Prophet. You guys need to bring on true experts on this subject.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattenger7064 Why did Joseph Smith order the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor printing press??

From a personal perspective (raised Mormon, 2 year mission), it really boils down to what John said in the beginning. "Most Mormans just don't know." I have learned many of this things since my great escape, but at the time, had no idea of the real truth. The truth is not spoken of or actively hidden from the congregation. Keep up the great work.

The thing with making people pay and then convincing them it was their fault they didn't find treasure sounds just like MLMs.

Was a Mormon for around four months about a decade ago. I then found out the truths one or perhaps a few at a time. It took perhaps a month before realizing that Joseph was a cheat, a liar indeed a sociopath and more than a bad person but a truly evil one. Don’t know why seemingly intelligent and well meaning people continue to follow that garbage but that’s their journey not mine. In the word’s of Monty Python, “run away, run away”.

@Paulapint3

2 жыл бұрын

Became a member in 1982 at the age of 21. Found out by accident starting in March 2021 that they were quite a few things I did not know and we're not told to me just like everybody else from the missionaries to church to brethren general conference and everything else. Two out of my three kids my older ones were having issues with the history and the prophets and some other things in their 30s raised in the church good kids with the gospel up until those times that they were having the problem I speak about and my daughter I asked her what the problem was started telling me some of the things thought she was pulling my leg joking around and it wasn't until I started doing some deep research that I found out there were many things I did not know it felt very much betrayed. Now I want to do nothing more than to get my youngest out of this pack of lies and don't even know how to go about it since he's so thoroughly indoctrinated.

@Geoplanetjane

2 жыл бұрын

@@Paulapint3 how old is he!

I love this more irreverent approach to discussing the history. Thank you for being you Cara. I'm here for it!! Sincerely, Ex-Mormon born into the church with 15 years of being out!

I cheer these people on separately and I cheer them on as collaborators. They are great at distilling the issues that Mormons should care about.

@brisingr4726

2 жыл бұрын

Yo, and the issues are multi-generational...so we get different perspectives

@brookemaclay7442

2 жыл бұрын

Omg THEE Parley P Pratt

@marquitaarmstrong399

2 жыл бұрын

i think people should care about each other..

@marquitaarmstrong399

2 жыл бұрын

But wait good Mormon souls out there. My banner from on a mountaintop go read and think for yourself. Use the brain God gave you ... Try it. god works

@marquitaarmstrong399

2 жыл бұрын

You guys respect each other. Good news

The trend many years ago was to not disclose anything controversial to an investigator or newly baptized member. I sat is a sacrament meeting where the speakers was a former bishop and his newly returned daughter RM. Her talk was pretty good. The father's talk dealt with JS and the failed Kirtland Bank, that JS believed men lived on the moon, the Smith family history of treasure digging, and the family's bankruptcy and loss of their farm. The missionaries sitting in the audience beside me were up in arms since they had investigators and did not want them to hear negative things about Smith. It was as if anything about Joseph Smith had to be filtered since it was FYO, privileged information not for the eyes and ears on beginners in the church. But missionaries are also told to follow discussions in their manual. Anything related to history or the biography of the the prophet Joseph Smith is not there to teach. So these facts may contribute to why many things about Smith are not taught by the missionaries to potential converts. Then again, in today's world they can just google his name and find information about JS.

I grew up in a Protestant church that is almost the exact opposite of Mormonism. For one thing, I didn't find out about the person who founded our church until I was in grad school, and decided to learn about the history. Imagine belonging to a denomination and learning absolutely nothing about the founder. There are many other differences, such as tithing being optional in both when you gave and how much you gave; communion being open to absolutely everyone whether baptized or not--it was up to the individual to decide if he or she wanted to take communion; excommunication being non-existent; no overarching church structure, with each individual church being governed by a board with equal amounts of men and women (although women's roles were otherwise restricted); me being an atheist, the minister knowing it, and him letting me lead Sunday School singing when I asked.

@utah133

2 жыл бұрын

I wondered about other churches besides Mormonism when I deconstructed. I did find one I sort of liked. The Unitarian Universalists.

@utah133

2 жыл бұрын

@@richarddick2955 It's not real. For one thing, Abraham is a fictional character of Semitic legends.

@waynelacroix8870

Жыл бұрын

@@richarddick2955 you are clearly deep in deception. The truth is there but have the courage to find it and test it but also accept it.

@jackiedaytona2434

Жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, would you be comfortable sharing the name? I grew up in a mainline Protestant church which has many similarities to the one you mention, but we were very well versed in the founder, even in Sunday school. By the time of my confirmation, I could tell you his entire history, which actually has come in handy as a lot of my college studies interest has been in Protestant reformations, esp. the Great Awakening.

@raydunn8262

6 ай бұрын

The reasons why the Protestants and Orthodox broke from. Catholicism/were are more important than the founders' bios. From the start, Joseph S claimed a llvthe other churches

My mission would of been so different if I started with telling the truth. LDS church taught me a really nice and heroic version of J. Smith. It’s so hard to learn the actual truth. My family pulled a handcart to Utah. So being a Mormon is not just a religion to our family but culture and heritage. It’s so hard to deconstruct what the last 40yrs of my life. I used my belief to explain my reality. Now??? I don’t believe in anything besides Science. It’s hard to shake the guilt away from leaving. It reminds me of Plato’s cave. I understand why people want to go back in the cave and not see the actual truth.

@KP-hz6zr

2 жыл бұрын

@@lq6424 that’s good to hear! It is so hard. It is going to take some time. It’s hard not to feel angry. When the guilt gets too much I will find this podcast or Johns. I need to hear some logic and reason. Love listening to Richard Dawkins.

@KP-hz6zr

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry about the PTSD, that sucks. The gospel is not healthy! I definitely have bouts of anxiety over this stuff.

@noshrinkingviolet007

2 жыл бұрын

What you said here is close to my experience as well. Since I left years ago, it has been a long road of re-orienting my self-perception (and "esteem") to something unrelated to former church activity, callings, etc.

@noshrinkingviolet007

2 жыл бұрын

@@lq6424 It will prob take much longer go separate mentally, spiritually, and emotionally from it, but stay the course. You've done your kids a big service to not grow up with all that baggage.

@noshrinkingviolet007

2 жыл бұрын

@@lq6424 Believe me, I'm with you and understand. Stay the course. It's been over a decade for me and I still have mind struggles with it but I know I can never go back. I didn't want to raise my son in a church that has what I think are sex race, and women probs. I'm glad I didn't but you realize how much the church is used to raise you when you're not using it to raise your own kids. I'm convinced that is why a lot of parents stay in the church.

So thankful for the internet. Church cannot hide the real Joseph Smith anymore.

If a prophet has a history of defrauding people using special gifts...which he then uses to bring about a religion, then investigators deserve to know.

@mylesmarkson1686

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It proves once again that it's nothing but a scam.

John, I love and admire your sincerity! I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to de-construct your faith, but your relenyless search for truth and your podcasts are helping so many find their way... Carah, your wit and humor are serving you well. I wish great success for your channel and it's potential!

When i hear the JS used a seer stone to look for treasure.. really hits hard and cracking the shelf that he started a church with the same stone and hat. He lied to millions.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

HE USED A STONE IN A HAT TO HUNT FOR TREASURE, THAT HE NEVER FOUND....AS WELL AS "TRANSLATION" OF THE "GOLDEN PLATES" INTO THE BOOK OF MORMON...AS WELL AS APPARENTLY MOST REVELATIONS THROUGHOUT HIS TIME AS "PROPHET" The Church never put that into any Primary, Sunday School, Priesthood, Seminary Lession I was ever taught over 50+ years.

I’m am still at a loss as to how I was conned into this religion for 10+ years 🤦🏽‍♀️. I was an independent woman and very forward thinking until I married into this and changed so completely to try to be everything for everyone. I can appreciate some of the structure and the beauty in ceremonies, but overall I feel like it was such a colossal waste of my time and energy. I suppose I will just think of it as a lesson in self control that I wish I never had. Thank you both so much for taking precious time out of your lives to explain all these points. You have given me an easy landing space (and it’s still hard) to deconstruct. I truly wish you well in all areas of life and am grateful for you both helping give me back mine. Much love 💕.

Glad you guys did this. With some of the rumors being tossed around, especially by certain well know figure in the post LDS community, it good to see what most of us expected… That you and John are cool.

@azlizzie

2 жыл бұрын

Helps confirm that other guy is just a butt.

Informed consent! Yesss! The Temple experience was a shocking confusing experience in which surrounded by family and friends it is very difficult to make an intelligent decision. Of course you cave, and do whatever they say. When they hit you with the nature of God that contradicts the Bible. I was so upset and disturbed. So glad l am finally free from this cult.

I love the little meme clips that are spliced in ... "Seymore! The house is on fire!" 🤣 🤣 🤣 Great job on the edit Carah.

Loved the discussion and seeing John in a more casual context. I wish the internet had been around when I was 18 and had access to discussions like this. I was all in on LDS until I had my son in my early 30s and started thinking about what teachings I wanted to pass on to him. The more I examined things I had taught people in classes for years, the more I was uncomfortable bringing my son up in the church. I raised him without any religion instead. For myself, I literally shut down my church mindset and walked away over a decade ago. I didn't know any "anti-Mormon" stuff until recently and I'm now shocked at what the LDS church is pulling off with its membership. I think people don't know or they know and don't want to deal with what that means in practical application. It's very hard to separate from the church, unfortunately.

I love John’s analogy of the car salesman selling a lemon…that he basically derived from Harry Wormwood (Danny Devito) in the movie Matilda!😂😂😂

Joseph's special gift was charisma! Jeff Holland has the same gift. It is an uncanny ability to spout complete bullshit with a teary eyed straight face and come off sincere and believable. Oaks, Packer, Ballard and Bednar not so much. The Church is hemorrhaging now, but just wait till Oaks or Ballard take the lead. The church will bleed out in short oder. So sad to discover this after 55+ years. My sincere apologies to Fawn Brodie, Sandra and Jerald Tanner and Grant Palmer who were vilified for just telling the truth!

@Themanyfacesofego

2 жыл бұрын

Holland puts on this "cracked" voice as if he is on the verge of tears. I agree with you that he spouts 'complete bullshit with a teary eyed straight face.' Where I differ with you is that I don't find him convincing.

As an anti-MLM activist, I love your slam on Mary Kay huns on the playground. As an exmo, I heard Emma and Joseph eloped because Isaac was a controlling father from my parents. I liked seeing you both together again and the Simpson’s clips.

@CarahBurrell

2 жыл бұрын

💅🏼

The plates in the forest being translated via a peep stone can ONLY make sense if the peep stone actually works. Ergo the scribes and whoever was involved MUST have bought into the peep stone thing at the time. Since that was Joseph's con from before it all fits. He was running his same con only this time he ran it on the people helping him produce the book, because they were the kind of people that would buy it. Now fast forward. No one buys con's like that any more. So that whole situation has to be papered over and replaced with an origin story more acceptable to present sensibilities. Honestly it's a good thing for the modern church that photography was not really a thing at the time. Because that allows them the freedom to have painters depict it however the church wants with out being tied down by images taken at the time of the actual events.

@sarahpinho1114

7 ай бұрын

I agree with this. I remember as a kid, being shown paintings of J.S. translating the BOM, never a hat in sight. I think there's one where he's got the plates open with their fancy symbols, by candlelight, making it seem very authentic and reverent.

Glad to see you both working together again.

i love your dynamic with John and to see him on your channel makes me happy!!

I'm so glad this isn't the end of Carah and John! Happy to see the collaborations.

Nice to see you working together again, for a moment. Thank you both for your contributions.

I don’t think the fact that he had a criminal record alone kills Joseph’s credibility. The charge itself isn’t a big deal. It’s the why behind the criminal record and how that ties directly into how the religion was started. He was charged for glass looking with the same seer stone that he used to “translate” the Book of Mormon. That’s what destroys credibility. It’s important we make that entire point rather than just say to members “he had a criminal record”.

@mormonstories

2 жыл бұрын

Did you stay until the end of the episode?

@chubbuck35

2 жыл бұрын

@@mormonstories I did not (yet)! Had to hop off for something. I take you make that point later :)

@utah133

2 жыл бұрын

What destroys his credibility for me is that it's obviously all BS.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

Spot On!! Same for me. It is the bogus "glass looking" AND that in enable for him to convince ADULTS that he was seeing things in the Stone in the Hat, he had to be one wonder of a story teller....bullshitter.

The world makes some sense again. Cara belongs on MS.

One more thing abt u 2 admire the way your generations work together and respect each other's views...so important

Seeing John sit on a couch is so funny for some reason I guess I’m just used to him at the desk with a headset on and this casual vibe is so cute I love it

This is me. I was a devout Mormon missionary in 1998 (then I got married in the temple, eventually divorced, too). I didn't know ANY of this. One of my investigators found the King Follett Discourse and I was shocked (didn't know about godmaking, either). Thank you for all you do to shine the light and give people information - I've been out for 15 years (I'm lesbian, it made my leaving the church a bit easier) and I can safely say I've learned more about Mormonism and Joseph Smith in the last year from people like you than I knew in my entire lifetime. Thank you again, keep up the great work!

You guys are too funny! Love seeing you together again!

I love the clips you edited in. Lots of work, but it makes it so fun! Thank you.

@CarahBurrell

2 жыл бұрын

I edited it from my phone in the bath. I’ve found my way to streamline it. 💁‍♀️

I’m so so so greatful about this episode. I’m very happy that all our gang is still together I never got a big sense of family in Mormon stories, until carah joined. M Carahs sarcastic vibe made me feel home, but also feel heard as a 29 year old fallen LDS member Thankyou so much, because carah, you get how I have felt Im very greatful for your work, big fan of your individual angle on these things :) You have been a major asset to the movement, and I can’t wait to learn the best ways to support U I’m subbed and very greatful

@mikkifrompreston4396

2 жыл бұрын

@@rjerridk83 I want you

Great to see you both back together again..... its fun and a good vibe. 👍

Neither a Mormon nor a Dehlin fan, but I did note that when I got the tour of the newly renovated Oakland temple, the guide did not mention Joseph Smith's name even once in 90 minutes.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. The Church NOW mentions "Christ" or "Jesus" like they are trying to catch up on 200 years of putting Joseph's Story first.

I've been trying to find a way to talk to my family about these things and you guys crushed it all into one episode for me!!! Thank you 🙏❤️

Loved the collab! Looking forward to more. Love you guys❤️

wow I've had a lousy week, and this has made me very happy. Thank you

Loved seeing a chill and playful JD! More please!

The connection between the BoM and treasure digging kind of blew my mind

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

The Moroni Vision STORY may simply have been an effort to enhance his money digging image/business???

YESSSS! The best duo!

So excited for the rest of the 15!! These are fantastic!!

John and Cara have such a great chemistry. Hope you guys visit often!

I think you two are a great pair. Thanks for all ya do to educate and inform. "If we have truth, [it] cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not truth, it ought to be harmed." - J. Reuben Clark

Awesome video! Love all the little clips throughout! I grew up in the church and there were so many things conveniently left out, when I bring these things up to my mom who is a life long hardcore TBM her response to me is that I am filled with the devil.

@CarahBurrell

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Everyone who disagrees with me is motivated by Satan. How convenient!

@noshrinkingviolet007

2 жыл бұрын

If the devil is like that "Lucifer" character on Netflix, I don't want to be right! 😍

I love this so much! Thank you, both of you, for setting such a great example of what it means to be Christlike.

OK I am dead! After describing JS shady treasure digging, daughter stealing ways ..."possible future prophet, can't rule that out" 🤣 Those were actually my thoughts after reading Rough Stone Rolling 13 years ago. I was one confused young lady

Awesome video!!!

Omg, so glad you have vids with John!!!! Love you both!

Karah am always thinking misspelling her name again do love you. So happy to see you and John back in harness. You two do so much for folks.

@CarahBurrell

2 жыл бұрын

🥰Carah*

love to see this duo again!

So heart warming to see you and JD together. So happy to see you support each other. Content is always incredibly strong from both of you!

Yay!!! John D and Carah B! Wonderful! 🤟you guys

Ha! Loving it! Bring it on!!! Love you two! ♥️👏♥️

Best discussion of church history I’ve ever seen by far.

When my immediate family and I decided to leave the church it amazed me how many of my Mormon friends no longer accepted me once they realized that they couldn't bring me back into the church. Life long friends! Now there are a few close friends and my extended family who have, if not accepted, do not reject me. I was so disappointed.

Oh my gosh I'm so excited to see you both doing a video together again!!!!!!!

One of the biggest problems with the money digging story I think is that LDS scripture itself tries to misdirect it in JS history verse 56 "In the year 1823 my father’s family met with a great affliction by the death of my eldest brother, Alvin. In the month of October, 1825, I hired with an old gentleman by the name of Josiah Stoal, who lived in Chenango county, State of New York. He had heard something of a silver mine having been opened by the Spaniards in Harmony, Susquehanna county, State of Pennsylvania; and had, previous to my hiring to him, been digging, in order, if possible, to discover the mine. After I went to live with him, he took me, with the rest of his hands, to dig for the silver mine, at which I continued to work for nearly a month, without success in our undertaking, and finally I prevailed with the old gentleman to cease digging after it. Hence arose the very prevalent story of my having been a money-digger."

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

GLASS LOOKER/LOOKING IS THE REAL PROBLEM...AND THAT HE NEVER SAW ANYTHING...UNTIL HE USED THE SAME STONE IN THE SAME MANNER TO "TRANSLATE" THE PLATES...THAT NOT EVEN EMMA HIS WIFE WAS ALLOWED TO SEE.

This was great. I feel like I say that often, but it’s true & the algorithm likes it too. I enjoyed the more relaxed atmosphere.

The used car analogy is pretty apt

This was awesome.

This made me so happy, I thought u guys were done working together

Informed Consent -- fabulous ! 'This' is a very balanced well executed discussion that is SPOT ON ! Well done; both of you. Carah, your hat and braids reminds me of Norwegian heritage; cute! John and Carah, you guys need to continue these discussions into the future; you have a very delicious demeanor and natural chemistry that really adds to the dynamic of this mormon story interaction. I don't know what you call it; kind of reminds me of Zelph on the Shelf (you can't call it that) but you should really consider something beyond Mormon Stories Podcast to bring you two together for these relevant discussions of belief, religion, early mormonism, and faith crisis... Ok, this is really my main comment; so many of us were indoctrinated by our parents, grand parents, aunts , uncles , family friends , for DECADES; our first apologists were our own family and friends. This is the answer to Carah's question of how does this line out and be plausible for so many people even when they hear the truth... maybe years later. The answer is that we're not just rejecting truth claims that don't line out or add up... we are ALSO rejecting our personal heritage (all of it) who has essentially LIED to us. In other more pointed words, the Church that (who) lied to us were our OWN family and friends. OMG. When I dropped this (today's) discussion on my father about three years ago (almost the same discussion word for word, believe it or not) he equated it to me dropping an atom bomb on the kitchen table. The reason, because for him too, the information would not only force him to reject his own entire 80+ year life, but also reject his mother and father, aunts and uncles, and decades of family friends and associates. He simply couldn't handle it. Carah; don't be surprised (I know you're about 33 now) when you're 65 and still unravelling how this fucking mormomism has wreaked havoc on your life. I started unravelling this stuff in my late twenties and here I am in my mid sixties still processing through mormon stories podcast , and zelph on the shelf , and Carah & John... you guys are just as important for me as Gerald and Sandra Tanner... and all the rest. This IS one of those things that takes a LONG time to sort. marcus

@yourtanktopfriend777

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for supporting the exmo content creators out there Marcus. The atom bomb example is a perfect example of how most of us feel when we discover the truth. I honestly wanted to just be dead because I didn’t want to face the future after finding out it was all BS. Eventually, we all get to a point that we feel ok, but damn it takes a ton of energy and work to climb yourself out of that depression.

@markh.harris9271

2 жыл бұрын

@@yourtanktopfriend777 , amen; well said. Your channel has been a good help too... not only from the mormonism side, but from the MLM side too. I'm not sure (still) which side is the most evil , frankly. I'm leaning towards the emotional social side that has done so much damage to singles, LGBTQ+ , marrieds , their children , and on and on... Thanks for your comment; good to hear from you. marcus

Thanks for another great deep dive, guys! Not only did you provide insightful facts on topics I didn’t learn until I was already out of the church, but the memes and humor kept it entertaining and engaging. I actually got around to finally doing my laundry and ironing because I had something worth listening to. Well done 👍🏻

💯. You guys just made it all make sense. Blown away

This slowly becoming my favourite channel on yt , Thank you Carah & all the guests .

14:25- TRUE, YOU SAID IT... "It's fun thinking that someone knows a little bit more than we do." Has "extraordinary power". That's why it's so easy for religions (in general) to indoctrinate people. People WANT/NEED to believe... and most are willing to overlook concerning issues and discrepancies to do so. GOOD SHOW.

It was the doctors at nearby Dartmouth College in New Hampshire who saved Joseph’s leg. To this day there are always a number of Mormon medical students and residents at Dartmouth.

EPIC!! This show was marvelous!!! Great dialogue.

I’m John’s age and i certainly remember being taught that he was a treasure seeker and that was why Emma’s father didn’t like him or want him to marry his daughter. Still it wasn’t told that he was being dishonest in his endeavors. It almost was a faith promoting story that it lead to him having enough faith to listen to angels & being guided to find the golden plates.

@cc-mk2hp

2 жыл бұрын

I am also John's age. Yes, they totally whitewashed over everything. When l did ask questions, l was shamed. They finally shamed me right out of Mormonism. I was not a lax learner or a lazy disciple as Russle Nelson would have them believe. I was a good student who put all my energies into my newly growing faith crisis, when they told me l could not read further. Shame in them.

I was born under the covenant in 1958. Five generations Mormon on one side, six on the other. By 1977 I was vocally questioning Mormon doctrine. In 1983 I left the church entirely. Around that time I visited a library, no internet then. I found a lot of information about Joseph Smiths trouble with the law and his diving escapades. I remember being so shocked about his true history and that I had never been told any of this. I NEVER would have subscribed to any of the LDS teachings had I been given full disclosure about his life. I felt tricked, deceived and even manipulated. I had undergone severe persecution by certain members of my ward and stake when as a teenager I first started to openly ask questions. Not just by my peers but their parents. I was blacklisted by my closest friends for sincerely wanting to understand things that weren’t making sense to me. I was met with such strict admonishment and punishment that left me stunned and confused. After all that to discover Smith was in trouble with the law repeatedly was not just validating but caused me to feel anger at those adults that had ousted me as a teenager. I was treated as a leper by the only community I had known. But the biggest emotion I felt was empowerment to at last know the truth. That my instincts that something was wrong wasn’t an act of heresy due to a lack of faith as I had been accused.

You two work so well together. I appreciate the knowledge of John, and humor of Cara. It is like the 2 sides of my brain! Plus Simpsons spliced in, fantastic!

Love that you are collaborating for these particular episodes. And for those who are new to this information, I hope you will start doing the research that us "lazy learners" have spent hundreds of hours doing. Then, you will know that what you are hearing here, perhaps for the 1st time, is all true.

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

That "lazy learner" comment is BULLSHIT. I had lots of faith that ultimately was undermined by facts...truths....history. Watch the current "Prophet" of The Church put his head in a hat to demonstrate how Joseph "translated" was painful to watch.

Love you guys! Yay!!!!

This is inline with your other collaborations but thanks for talking about these things with a neutral and light tone. I think it helps facilitate a broader audience as well

Thank both of yall for sharing the truth thank yall for this channel. I.was LDS for about 6 months. I saw the light I back to Baptist church and have a relationship with Jesus Christ and have a lot LDS friends and still pray for them and talk to them still a bunch

Boy would I love a film about J. Smith that is faithful to the reality. His life is so interesting. There were a lot of fraudsters in early America.

Awww nice to see you guys together

Its nice to see yall working together again. Love you guys!

Awesome videos

I would like to mention that the picture you displayed of Emma Hale Smith is in fact owned by the RLDS. The Mormon Church and Brigham Young had no interest in reflecting Emma in a positive light

I was never told any of this about Joseph at all.🙄

Ayyyyy…. Great channel. Cara and John on the side style is good stuff… lots of Lee way to do things that don’t fit with MormonStories.

I'm dying laughing. Great stuff. I finally see the full circle. This is a great video. 👍 you guys killed it

Excellent. I couldn’t remember the original Joseph Smith story, because I’ve been out of the church for 47 years. I remembered something about the golden plates, and that’s it. Love you Carah and John!

Hey Karah 💘 u. Good to see you!!!

So Good!! Cara is a bit edgy for me but she is right on with... tell it like it is information. John is Just incredible in knowledge and media skills. Thank you both for your knowledge and work!!

You’re both very courageous to come forward to tell the truth. I realize that you gave up a whole way of life, to do what you’re doing, which is monumentally difficult. I, too, am experiencing a dramatic life development. I wish you peace of mind as you navigate this lengthy process.

@GStar-qd5oi

2 жыл бұрын

Truth?

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

@@GStar-qd5oi TRUTHS...Joseph told NO ONE about his "First Vision" until a decade later. Never wrote it down until two years AFTER The Church was organized. How many scribes did he have access to over the years???

Ayyy John D being a good sport!

John dehlin looks fit and fabulous in this video! I stan!

Malcom X had criminal record found Allah in jail.totally agree Never disavowed his criminal history.....

For the first round, God created Jesus, who seems to be the nicest person, then 1800 years later he decided that the perfect messenger should be a horny scoundrel because there was no better choice?

@krismurphy7711

2 жыл бұрын

If Heavenly Father and Jesus wanted to HOLD BACK The Restored Church, then put it in the hands of Joseph Smith....Brigham Young. YES they were strong leaders, but their baggage has held back The Church from DAY ONE!!! 7 million active members in 2022...after almost 200 years??? There are over 7 BILLION people on the planet right now.

Treasure digging lore and the signs of it throughout church history was one of the things that broke the shelf for me! Sent my letter of membership resignation last month! 😎

I love seeing you guys hang out I wanna hang out too

You asked one of the best questions at 59:27...How can people hear all these truths about the founder of their religion and still remain faithful to said religion? It's called delicious, cold, refreshing, Kool Aid served up on a hot Summer day, when people are desperate and thirsty. Or, it's just plain ole' de Nile.

I'm still an active LDS member. Just watching your videos and others alike in the past few months have changed my perspective on the church. I always wonder if the prophets from Joseph Smith (JS) to the current prophet prophesied any future events?

@OuttaMyMind911

2 жыл бұрын

Here’s something to think about regarding prophesy; if there really was a nice clean cut prophecy from the brethren, it’s a safe bet it would be well known. Since you can’t recall such a thing being regularly taught, it might be because there isn’t one.

Milk before meat…I wanted to know everything before being a member and I always ran into this. 2 years in and now not active