You clearly wants all the battleships for yourself. Whatever you guys do do not listen to him. use battleships at close range which will be a very effective strategy since bigger ship = better ship. I promise to not use Frigates, so you don’t need any point defence either, just leave those empty ;-)

@intrepidferret6704

Жыл бұрын

I know it's garbage, but I love using ram battleships.

@unsocialchain

Жыл бұрын

Yet we don't have frigate ship types in Stellaris 😢

Cruisers to players: "You couldn't live with your own failure, where did that bring you? Back to Me."

Almost like the combat rework forces us to use more varied and balanced fleet compositions or something...

@TheBloofyx

Жыл бұрын

Almost like l'm gonna spam neutron frigates instead of neutron battleships...

@fadedfirefox

Жыл бұрын

im lazy let me just pick one and press build x1000

@trolley7657

Жыл бұрын

@@TheBloofyx Why would you even want neutrons anymore after this update

@cadenr7165

Жыл бұрын

@@trolley7657 Because they do EIGHT TIMES THE DAMAGE?!?!?! 4x against Cruisers too.

@pilotlist6276

Жыл бұрын

lol jk just spam missile cruisers until late game

new challenge for stellaris devs try to make the game balanced: impossible

@Marcharound

Жыл бұрын

Name one combat-focused game where there is no meta whatsoever. What do you expect? That they make a game so balanced that having a meta is impossible?

@vinifalleroliveira

Жыл бұрын

@@Marcharound StarCraft does a good job in balance, although it's what, an almost 30 yo game now?

My fellow battleship enjoyers not all hope is lost! if we get the apocalypse DLC we can still use Titans!

man, imagine actually making something more complicated then "Battleships X10, titan X2"

Me who still in 3.5: "I miss the part where that's my problem"

"I used to rule the world...."

Heresy

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!

@Esdra_

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 Maybe... 😂

When HoI4 somehow has more varied fleet usages(idk, who builds destroyers, but subs, carriers, battleships and cruisers all have uses depending on country and doctrine).

@therealgaben5527

Жыл бұрын

Destroyers have 2 uses: -Cheep Roach destroyers to take screen damage -anti sub as uk and usa (and maybe Canada once you get your heavy cruiser done and have enough convoys((and Japan sometimes if usa goes sub)))

Oh... How the mighty have fallen.

I liked the battleship meta, but yeah it was getting a little stale and I do understand the need to switch things up.

@loveluclins

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they should be good, that or the devs need to make it so all ships get stronger if you research a new ship type, so there's more reason for picking them again (other than the fleet size cap). For as expensive research wise and build cost wise battleships are, there should be a stronger niche past just "defending space" because we all know a fortress world can waste a tremendous amount of time already.

They completely overcorrected the meta by nuking the battelships into the ground.

@AGuy-vq9qp

Жыл бұрын

Battleships are still the second best ship.

@Kakarot64.

Жыл бұрын

@@AGuy-vq9qp Second best is just the first loser

Hard disagree with this. Battleships still beat the crap out of things from long range, are the best carriers, and are extremely durable against everything other than torpedoes, which are not a problem if you have a good screen. You need less battleships than before 3.6, but they're still essential. Meanwhile, corvettes have lost access to the devastator torpedo, are ineffective against large hulls or bastions, and in general can't do anything other than raid undefended starbases after midgame. They also get absolutely deleted by FE and Crisis fleets. Even disruptor corvettes have a direct counter now with hardening augs. They're more useless beyond the early game than they ever have been before.

As i said,strat is still mad about the fact that battleships are useless now

Every video is like a half naked cooking video

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

what??? lmao

paradox need to add strat to the dev team

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

lol insider info when?

My preferred loadout in endgame was: 40 cruisers, 8 battleships, and 1 Titan, which was quite nice for dealing with most systems. Two or three fleets of those babies could soak up most AI fleets. For the Crisis, I just spammed battleships. Nowadays, I'll have to revisit the strat.

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

A strategy I've been having some luck with is having a few detachments to overwhelm the enemy. A main fleet of battleships, titans, and cruisers that makes up the bulk of my fighting force to break through strongholds, then a few mini fleets of corvettes and maybe destroyers for eliminating undefended starbases. I can move on their capital while the smaller forces can speed through their systems and chip at their economy.

@joeltrekwars2162

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobp.2024 for one of my Become the Crisis runs, I created one or two fleets of only Menacing Corvettes and sent them running about to take territory, while Menacing Cruisers (dirt-cheap to replace and manufacture with a Mega-Shipyard) were the bulk of my forces. I didn't even touch Menacing Destroyers.

My day is ruined

*smug chuckles in the best ship class* yes I approve of this message, no one use battleships!

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU I WILL NEVER GO DOWN THE PATH OF BATTLESHIP EVER AGAIN!!!

@michalolejnik2038

Жыл бұрын

Considering that AI likes to spam corvettes, carrier BB's are still pretty usefull, especially when used as long range fire support, their egagement range also can give some advantage. However BB's are at least questionable in other roles, cruisers are more versatile and durable as artillery ships (2 cruisers have more hp than 1 BB, and arming them with full medium weapons and line computer makes them effective against almost all other ships).

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

@@michalolejnik2038 exactly, Cruisers are the "Jack of All Trades, Master of NONE" they are perfect if you're a Casual Stellaris Enjoyer for Veterans they're also highly adaptive(just change the section slots and upgrade, no need to build new ships)

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 You can't tell me cruisers aren't the master of spammable long range artillery.

I have noticed in my revent game that max afterburner missile cruisers outperform battleships. In fact I have noticed that crusiers are boss now.

@saturn9536

Жыл бұрын

what combat computer do you use

@Zweistein001

Жыл бұрын

@@saturn9536 Artillery and Line have been tried. Both have the same problem: Battleship turns tail when enemy comes too close lowering its DPS: Missile cruiser can do that and still fire.

I l like the use of a clip from Who Killed Captain Alex: The First Ugandan Action Movie.

They are still good to take down star bases with their X slots and you can still use them like in star wars jumping in battles with the hyperdrive as reinforcements to a battle but yeah the fleet core now is more into cruisiers wich makes more sense from a navy perspective

I hope I'm not the only person who has about a dozen custom builds and varied fleet types. Destroyer and frigate fleets for moving quickly through the territory and battleship fleets for holding choke points and challenging large fleets. Pair them and use the speed fleet to engage so your sniper fleet can join in. If you're only playing against AI, basically anything you throw together works. Everything except what the auto generator suggests lol.

Well, realistically speaking Battleships aren‘t in use anymore irl, so it would make sense to rely on smaller, hard hitting ships

@Imperial_Navy_40K

Жыл бұрын

This isn't real life this is bloody Star wars. What would star wars be without a star destroyer ? Fk the meta, we play for aesthetic reason. Battleships did a good job of being an intimidating weapon

@Preaplanes

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the strongest ships in real life are Submarines and Carriers, and there's no water to hide in in outer space, so...

@HateMachinist

Жыл бұрын

True. The armour made no tangible difference against delayed-fuse ordenance, which would penetrate and explode inside the hull. So why waste precious steel and production-time on useless armour if they could just slap battleship-armaments on to cruisers instead? (aka Battle-Cruisers).

@liammorris1018

Жыл бұрын

@@Imperial_Navy_40K but a single xwing can destroy them xD

@razortheonethelight7303

Жыл бұрын

@@HateMachinist There is just one problem with that idea. If the shell could not penetrate the armor it was kinda useless. Meaning that if the armor was good enough it could stop rounds from damaging the ship. And as well it was a good idea to armor the important bits a lot in order to make sure things like the ammunition did not get hit. Even if it did not stop the largest weapons it still stopped smaller vessels main guns from being a threat. Armor is not meant to stop everything, it's meant to make it so less thing can do damage. Also I'm curious as to how you came to that conclusion. As it was not Guns on ships that stopped battleships from being useful it was improvements in torpedo technology along with improved aircraft on aircraft carriers and missiles that ended the battleship. Also Battle-Cruisers where more like battleships than cruisers. As cruisers were not large enough to fit the guns of a battleship on them. Battle-cruisers were more like less armored battleships. Also from the WoWS discord server I asked (since there is a frick ton of navel history buffs on there and asked in their channel) and they said you clearly don't know what armor was used for. Also I'ma just 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 myself here.

So, cruiser spam here we go... I try to leave HOI4, but HOI4 doens't leave me...

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

it all comes full circle...

I usually use a Heavy Cruiser Template for my Main Fleet Damage. Their surprisingly effective.

Arc Emitters BB lose only to proton louncher spam of same fleet weight.. so nope..

Honestly since the update I’ve used my battleships as a “linebreaker force” thats meant to bust through their border stations or to come around from a weird angle and be a big shiny distraction fleet.

Yes i've been waiting for this.

Oh how the turns have tabled

Nie spodziewałem się tu janeczka rodo

0:39 suddenly Jan Ł bo rodo appears i całe te

Hey I'm planning to start Stellaris so can I ask what faction is that Battleship belongs does that belong

Strat, you need to put some multiplayer hashtags or something on vids like that. Bc, I clapped AI, Fallen Empires and all Crisisses with classic artilery battleships this weekend, and was realy confused by the title of this vid.

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

well against AI anything works lol, i think the stuff here is still valid with an exception such as 25x Crisis(any fleet not on long range gets destroyed)

@vainthatoneoverhere

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 Agree, but still I was kinda surprised how well it worked. Apparently now battleships can outtank AI and make it retreat from the battle just by scaring it off with sher bulk. Multiple times I just jumped into enemy fleet (couple of times just to test if I loose), thinking it will be my loss because it was point blank range, but my fleets where tanky enough to shrug the damage off and win. Something is not right here.

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

@@vainthatoneoverhere bigger ships have buffed Health Pools from the Rework, BUT in exchange they also become vulnerable to Torpedoes so basically they made them better...AS LONG AS you're not fighting their Kryptonite

@vainthatoneoverhere

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 I have an idea now. I know that strike craft don't target torpedoes anymore. But normal weapons still do, right? I'm gonna make line autocannon battleships next time. For dakka and lolz.

Battleships are fine. Just pick arc emitter, hangar, missiles, and you're good to go. Strike craft are the real op bs this patch. (in the late game that is)

Still, battleships seem to be the best carrier type so it has some use against smaller ships

@AGuy-vq9qp

Жыл бұрын

Smaller ships are asscheeks anyway. Not really a big loss.

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

@@AGuy-vq9qp I wonder if carrier battlecruisers would defeat point defense destroyers.

Me and my 50 Battlestar’s would disagree.

surely they can't be as slow as reanimated space fauna

My man said corvetes are bad then said battleships are bad too mah man trying to provoke someone 🤣

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

NOBODY CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! if i make everyone mad, that means i'm right!

@chrysthianekyledungog7639

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 i bet you will make a video about point defense and torpedoes being the best weapon in the game 🎯💯

0:20 oh look a seal

I figured out how powerful torpedoes have become when a station specifically designed to keep a fleet from getting by got annihilated by twenty frigates and forty corvettes

Out of curiosity, do energy point defense (the one that isn't flak) shoot down energy torpedoes (neutron launchers)?

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

nope, Neutron Launchers are UNSTOPPABLE, they instantly land once shot leaving zero chance to intercept

@obiwankenobi4252

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 the chadtron launcher further demonstrates its unchallenged might

I was thinking this for awhile since I started playing in the new update but I'm glad you said it lol. I spec my battleships to counter smaller ships with as many hangers and missiles as possible with PD and Destroyers with PD. But idk if it's really worth it just to have these large ship run border patrol. And if battleships are bad, then Titans are HORRENDOUSLY worse than they were previously if you can believe it 😂😂

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

Titans were always really good for their auras. -20% shield on the enemy is amazing. If not to stack with other system debuffs or to counter shield-heavy builds, then also to make their shields as weak as possible while going all in on hull/armor weaponry. The disengagement chance debuff is nice too.

They are still good at long range and as carriers. Sure they aren't as overpowered as before but now we to make more balanced fleets wich is better in my opinion.

Just use battleship rush with added point defence destroyers

Did you put a red line on the bottom of the thumbnail again?

I wonder, is it now a good strategy to go "each fleet has an equal amount of size points of each ship type?" e.g. having a fleet with 2 battleships, 4 cruisers, 8 destroyers, and 16 corvettes?

HEREBY DRAGON!!!

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

EN GARDE!

Weaker battleship ? Its only mean than u need more battleship to bring balance.

RIP Battleship fleets

That's cool. but I'm gonna build em anyway.

Bruh so do you put your long range artillery in the cruisers now, use them as carriers or is it all torpedoes in this meta?

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

IT DEPENDS...in general Cruisers are more adaptable, since you can just switch them between Torpedo/Artillery/Broadside/Carrier basically, the fact that it can switch from one ship role to another is it's main strength, especially in the convoluted mess that is the NEW Meta

@Drietfoga

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 What do you mean you can't spam the same ship type with the same ship equipment now What has Paradox done

@DennisDelav

Жыл бұрын

@@Drietfoga ship combat got overhauled in latest update

Yep, we're back to "Don't waste your time with Battleships" again. They went from trash, to OP, back to trash.

They overbuffed torpedos methinks.

Why are you using psspp design for destroyers instead of msspp, and ever better question, why is there pss section? point-defense is a small slot alternative, medium should be equivalent to two points defense slots

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

you basically only react when enemies are building Torpedoes, having the most PD slots per ship means more PD to defend against Torpedoes FASTER you don't build them UNLESS NECESSARY, so when you do need them you want as many PD slots as fast as possible more firepower does not beat the Torpedo's 400% Damage Boost against Cruisers

@saturn9536

Жыл бұрын

@@Strategiser2 can u make like a fleet tutorial video im so lost

"Use *point defense* destroyers" Did I miss anything? Last time I checked strike craft were the best point defense...

@georgeofazgad2176

Жыл бұрын

Strike craft can no longer perform point defense roles and can only shoot down other trike craft

@scifidino5022

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeofazgad2176 oh… good to know, thanks What about other weapons? (Could they even do point defense to begin with?)

@georgeofazgad2176

Жыл бұрын

@@scifidino5022 no only dedicated pt defence works

@scifidino5022

Жыл бұрын

@@georgeofazgad2176 oh, so PD has actually become important now... thanks for explaining!

battleship is still kinda valuable bcs of carrier

Didnt you say that speed doesnt matter when you said corvettes were shit?

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

that was because Artillery destroyers are relatively faster because they can breakthrough stations faster but now...things are different, Artillery has been severely nerfed and Torpedoes are a thing...both terrible things for Battleships

What you mean big ship slow ship >:(

Is this true for console version?

@Strategiser2

Жыл бұрын

SOON yes, you guys are delayed by a few patches so this doesn't apply...YET

Wouldn't battleships be half-decent since they can carry x3 times as many fighters as cruisers? That's like a 50% gain, even if they're more vulnerable! (lower speed is probably a dealbreaker in multiplayer but come on).

Battleships are still really good. You just have to accompany them with other ships now.

@jacobp.2024

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I think people are having growing pains right now. Fleet compositions are getting more varied.