You might mention that the 2024 NEC requires generators or whole home battery backups to be sized to support the load transferred to them. That means for a 200A service, you would need a battery capable of 48kW, or install sub-panels for critical loads.
@Bowhunters6go8xz6x8 сағат бұрын
Good video but I think that something that got missed in this is (cost per kwh) cost including installation per units kwh capacity. Some AC Battery systems are only around $800 per kwh while some others cost around $1500 or more per kwh .
@SolarSurge8 сағат бұрын
Good point. You should definitely consider overall $ per kHh of installed capacity.
@CC-mj3zq9 сағат бұрын
Enphase has great products I have no issues with anything that they do. Who's just a little unfortunate that the cost of the in phase solar only battery sized to any substance is so close in cost to a full function battery like a Franklin for example.
@danielcapson984210 сағат бұрын
Joe, with all the battery folks going to a more module layout where you can add more storage as you need it or can afford it does the size of a signal battery matter? I think it's not about total system capacity and how easy is it to add more storage if and and as you need it. Just a thought.
@SolarSurge8 сағат бұрын
I think battery size matters because the more individual batteries that need to be integrated, the more complex and costly the installation.
@tookster748310 сағат бұрын
Man I am SO pissed at my electric company in Texas. According to my bill I exported (Customer to Company KWH) 733 KWH's and I got paid an NM CH2 Avoided Cost of $20.69. How is this not theft sir?
@frank82811 сағат бұрын
Battery comparison video...but the video is sponsored (you're getting paid by) by Franklin battery? Has this channel been sponsered by Franklin in the past as well? When you talked about/reviewed other batteries?
@toddb460912 сағат бұрын
Would really like to see a comparison of Franklin WH to Mango Power M
@alexandertorres885412 сағат бұрын
Would be great if you could review: EG4 18k PV Hybrid Inverter
@user-ei3ml8jo1s12 сағат бұрын
DC coupled systems can add more battery capacity over time. Schneider XWPro, 600/100 MPPT, Discover AES 7.4kWh.
@timothymusson504012 сағат бұрын
Also, isn’t dumping water on a lithium fire a really bad idea? Wouldn’t the sprinkler system just make the problem worse?
@ds-ov9yi12 сағат бұрын
With the Franklin battery paired with an enphase system, does it support solar charging during grid down situations?
@SolarSurge12 сағат бұрын
Yes
@ds-ov9yi11 сағат бұрын
@@SolarSurge thanks for the reply & answer
@KillerHurdz12 сағат бұрын
A video on how to physically plan the space for (additional) battery expansion later (especially important with Enphase due to the smaller capacity per battery) would be great. A poorly planned setup could make wiring/positioning future battery a bigger job than it needs to be.
@GerardoRodriguez-ov5se14 сағат бұрын
Another great video. Do you have any videos on modular systems, such as Eco Flow, Bluetti, or others?
@SolarSurge11 сағат бұрын
Yes, check out our video on Bluetti EP800: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYhtpLmup6udpps.html
@terrya648617 сағат бұрын
As an off grid kinda guy I like my systems to have NO software ! The Biggest problem with any of these systems is always the software in the integration. In a grid down survival scenario No. Thank you to any kind of software.
@SolarSurge11 сағат бұрын
Agree 100%
@Tellthetruth6318 сағат бұрын
Have a customer that contacted me for a back up solar power system and north east Florida. I was wondering if somebody could recommend someone.
@jimmybrad156Күн бұрын
That wall unit sure looks like it has enough bolts holding it onto the wall 🙂
@dmv_pКүн бұрын
I like the new style of video ... keep up the good work. Brotha uhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
@miguelzrxКүн бұрын
I have an face and it took him two weeks to hook it all up and all running perfect and I love it
@miguelzrxКүн бұрын
Sorry about that I met in phase
@ushipb00Күн бұрын
Great video review! Both Matt Ferrell's channels and yours are a must-watch. It's like a good comic book crossover with you reviewing the video! I personally prefer Solaredge due to the lower price point compared to Enphase, but the NMC battery chemistry is less superior than LFP. I do have a question. Since Solaredge has released their Solaredge Energy Hub inverter, has the reliability improved? Has the installers noticed a lowering of the failure rates with that inverter?
@therevomanКүн бұрын
Interesting. I love the modular approach. Lets me customize exactly what I want/need, and allows me to expand.
@Quidproquo07093Күн бұрын
Thank you for presenting and responding to Matt's video. I've been watching Matt's channel for years, and he presents many energy saving solutions and appliances for the typical home. I'm glad he caught your attention, and I hope some of your viewers decide to follow him as well. Keep up the good work, you are educating many people on preparing for the zombie apocalypse!
@robertbrownell3918Күн бұрын
I like Span, but don't you need the internet to get full use?
@robertbrownell3918Күн бұрын
I am curious why people aren't building their own I can build a 48 volt 315 AH LiFePO4 battery for about $1,600 pluse $200 +/- for a BMS - am I missing something? I am in the process of doing this now (with 2 EG4 6000XP) - I hope I am not missing something obvious
@lanceguilinКүн бұрын
Joe, have you found any definitive document or spec sheet from Tesla which actually/officially states that the new Power Wall 3 is made up of LFP batteries as opposed to NMC batteries? I still haven't been able to officially confirm that the Power Wall 3 system use LFP batteries.
@SolarSurgeКүн бұрын
No I think they intentionally did not publish this to spark the kind of speculation we are having now.
@gamerzieg3211Күн бұрын
He picked the most expensive garbage option xD
@Bowhunters6go8xz6xКүн бұрын
It has always seemed to me that Enphase has gone out of their way to create a route where they force people that buy their solar panel micro inverters and controllers, etc. to force people to be locked into buying all Enphase components including batteries. They also seem to have (doubled down) by creating their batteries with even more micro inverters and so to force people to make you buy as many of their inverters as possible and in the end it is to line their pockets. ( Not a Question Really, but more of what i've seen from their equipment and their pushing people to buy more and more of their micro inverters. )
@lawrencedee4493Күн бұрын
The counterpoint is vendor finger-pointing if an issue arises leaving homeowner in the lurch when combining best-of-breed. We are VERY early in the tech curve on consumer whole home batteries (if the overall scheme of things). I have SunPower system using EnPhase inverters… I’m annoyed enough with SunPower for their heavily shortcut to-my-detriment install, that I’d love to dump their PVS6… but anyway. As SPAN is complete overkill for me/my use case, what I’ll be looking forward at some point is a Hybrid Inverter and battery system that are guaranteed compatible, if not same vendor or an integrated unit. Matt’s mentions his real reason for enPhase battery is local AHJ sprinkler requirement for over 20kWh system … as I’m looking at >20kWh battery system, so enPhase makes no sense at this time for me.. other professionally installed options will be cheaper
@Homerun_VinceКүн бұрын
You have the best solar content on the internet right now. Thank you 🙏
@SolarSurgeКүн бұрын
Glad it was helpful.
@llN3M3515llКүн бұрын
I am pretty sure you can access the enphase web ui locally and dont need intenet connectivity.
@kg4cnmКүн бұрын
Not directly through a web UI, it can be controlled somewhat through Home Assistant locally
@s.lionelmcauley4455Күн бұрын
Joe, you should contact Enphase. The CEO wrote a letter to shareholders and stated the company's next generation IQ battery is coming out in early 2025. here is a brief from of the letter: In 2025, we plan to introduce our fourth-generation battery, which is designed to increase energy density by 40%, reduce wall space area by 60%, and reduce cost. This is achieved primarily by optimizing the electronics inside the battery, utilizing our new 1.68 kW AC microinverter variant with integrated battery management and neutral-forming capability. We are also working closely with our battery cell suppliers to advance our battery design life up to 20 years, and to further improve battery safety and reliability. Starting in 2024, our batteries will include microinverters manufactured in our contract manufacturing facilities in the United States, leveraging the IRA
@chrisross3631Күн бұрын
What would you recommend for a pro-installed unified battery/controller ecosystem setup then? I used to think you favored Enphase, but you seemed to have soured on them recently?
@SolarSurgeКүн бұрын
I still like Enphase. I also like Tesla, Franklin and SolarEdge depending on the situation. In this case, since he already had Enphase micro-inverters, staying with the Enphase batteries made sense.
@williamlloyd3769Күн бұрын
In the end it seems you’d be better of having an energy audit of the house, mitigate things like missing insulation, replace old single pane windows, replace older water heater, replace old furnace with heat pump, etc. in other words, limit your energy usage up front before investing in solar cells and batteries.
@SolarSurgeКүн бұрын
Agree 100%
@danielcarroll3358Күн бұрын
True. I have all of 3.9 kW peak of solar. Under NEM 2.0 in California I produce 2,000 kW-hr excess per year. This really surprised me as in renovating my house I added a basement and two more baths to a three bedroom house. The difference was really insulating everything, putting in double pane windows and going all electric with heat pumps for AC and hot water.
@williamlloyd3769Күн бұрын
Quick question on app, is Bluetooth sufficient to control these home battery systems or do you actually need internet access? If so, why?
@SolarSurgeКүн бұрын
That's a great question. I don't have a clear answer on that yet.
@mwolrichКүн бұрын
@@SolarSurgeEnphase Requires a live internet connection, to control the battery discharge, in the event your connected to a virtual powerplant on the grid, this is because the utility directs them to put your system in discharge in the event they need grid support. They also require a cell modem as a backup, in the event the main ethernet or wifi connection stops working. It’s also a good ides for the data logging of production & discharge, and finally it’s a requirement for their 15 year/6,000 cycle battery warranty. how can they track cycles if it’s not being monitored?
@GBOY185Күн бұрын
I've really been thinking about going with the EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra set up. Seems to come out much cheaper while allowing a modular setup with batteries that can be moved around for multiple use cases.
@MrRichardycКүн бұрын
I dont think you can use the Delta Pro Ultra or any Ecoflow or other brand of off grid systems with a grid-tied solar system.
@darkshadow4998Күн бұрын
13.9kw system he's lying
@darkshadow4998Күн бұрын
He has enphase iq8m micro inverteres
@darkshadow4998Күн бұрын
Maximum continuous 325 x 43 panels 13.9kw
@susanswafford5903Күн бұрын
So, how do I get federal tax break if Im on SSI
@tookster7483Күн бұрын
That's the problem. Essentially, if you don't pay the government taxes you can't use the tax break.
@gamerzieg3211Күн бұрын
@@tookster7483 Everyone pays taxes xD if your working stiff you pay taxes bro. Everyone forgets that where you work automatically takes out money from your check to pay those taxes.
@VideoconferencingUSAКүн бұрын
Nice job
@americansfortruthandjustic7504Күн бұрын
Good video, but I disagree with your video title. When I go camping, the tent I use will never bring in any revenue. However, the tent "pays" for itself the first time it keeps me dry during an overnight rain. Batteries are not necessarily the best financial investment, but they DO have a return on investment and the financial return is faster when the prices of electricity goes up. "Financial sense" of the return on investment depends on future electricity rates, but practicality during grid power outages is priceless.
@LygerTheCLawКүн бұрын
yeah, uh huh. we have one provider to my house. i have zero choice.
@thomasreasoner6253Күн бұрын
Great points! Given that battery technology is changing faster than just about anything else, I'd really hesitate on getting a battery that was packaged with a lot of other technologies that are changing more slowly. Having everything in one package may seem nice and convenient, but you may want to upgrade each piece of it at different times depending on the technology improvements, and if you do that, then Powerwall 3 loses much of its appeal.
@legalbeagle5712Күн бұрын
Sounds like you don't need a battery to have back up to grid
@MrBigspendnКүн бұрын
To bad Sunpower is losing money hand over fist. They look like they are close to bankrupt.
@whyworkwhenicanrap6830Күн бұрын
Get Tesla
@JamesW-dv9oiКүн бұрын
Appreciate your detailed and factually accurate analysis
@michaelflores7379Күн бұрын
This presentation is perfect for newbies like me. Thanks!!! 🎉
@foxtrot352 күн бұрын
These are typical interest rates. Solar just isn't cheap enough, and it's been this way since I remember in the 1970s. government involvement is wrong answer. I've said, Ford made the car affordable and attractive to the masses without the government, Solar Ford needs to make it cheap and attractive. In the end, I don't think solar will ever be what I use to hope for, the panacea of cheap power. It will be relegated to niche consumers and ultra rich to service server farms, the fastest and soon to be largest power consumer.
@autorecondetailing42942 күн бұрын
I saw this coming from the day I signed the contract!! The salesman was extremely misleading and deceitful. I didn’t necessarily care about going green but he told me that I wouldn’t have a power bill anymore with Duke but that was a complete lie. I didn’t even get a big enough system to cover my electric costs and after I discovered that they said they couldn’t put anymore onto my roof. Now I’m stuck paying $300 a month for the system and a power bill still!!
@irenethemarineКүн бұрын
My story exactly!! Im paying double now. It is summer and now my bill is sky high and also paying on the panels. What a waste of money!!
@Josh_Alzamora8 сағат бұрын
Me too he forged the electronic signature and was shady.
@rafael2904812 күн бұрын
I installed a device in 2020 with titan solar power in Florida, I searched and decided on them because they had quite a few good reviews and AAA in Florida looked good. I educated myself before making any decision. Even so, they deceived me with the tax credit. I went through a lot of work and fights to be able to activate my panels. I am very disappointed with all this and I am not surprised that the closures are horrible. I will lose my warranty and only the first year several things already broke I do not want think about 30 years...horrible
@morgansmith67782 күн бұрын
Titan Solar installed my panels in 2018. Have had 1 problem with the inverter, which they fixed immediately. No problems right now but am curious who I should reach out to if I do have a problem.
@jameshernandez57662 күн бұрын
If a customer says they're selling their home in a few months, how do you move forward with a potential sale?
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You might mention that the 2024 NEC requires generators or whole home battery backups to be sized to support the load transferred to them. That means for a 200A service, you would need a battery capable of 48kW, or install sub-panels for critical loads.
Good video but I think that something that got missed in this is (cost per kwh) cost including installation per units kwh capacity. Some AC Battery systems are only around $800 per kwh while some others cost around $1500 or more per kwh .
Good point. You should definitely consider overall $ per kHh of installed capacity.
Enphase has great products I have no issues with anything that they do. Who's just a little unfortunate that the cost of the in phase solar only battery sized to any substance is so close in cost to a full function battery like a Franklin for example.
Joe, with all the battery folks going to a more module layout where you can add more storage as you need it or can afford it does the size of a signal battery matter? I think it's not about total system capacity and how easy is it to add more storage if and and as you need it. Just a thought.
I think battery size matters because the more individual batteries that need to be integrated, the more complex and costly the installation.
Man I am SO pissed at my electric company in Texas. According to my bill I exported (Customer to Company KWH) 733 KWH's and I got paid an NM CH2 Avoided Cost of $20.69. How is this not theft sir?
Battery comparison video...but the video is sponsored (you're getting paid by) by Franklin battery? Has this channel been sponsered by Franklin in the past as well? When you talked about/reviewed other batteries?
Would really like to see a comparison of Franklin WH to Mango Power M
Would be great if you could review: EG4 18k PV Hybrid Inverter
DC coupled systems can add more battery capacity over time. Schneider XWPro, 600/100 MPPT, Discover AES 7.4kWh.
Also, isn’t dumping water on a lithium fire a really bad idea? Wouldn’t the sprinkler system just make the problem worse?
With the Franklin battery paired with an enphase system, does it support solar charging during grid down situations?
Yes
@@SolarSurge thanks for the reply & answer
A video on how to physically plan the space for (additional) battery expansion later (especially important with Enphase due to the smaller capacity per battery) would be great. A poorly planned setup could make wiring/positioning future battery a bigger job than it needs to be.
Another great video. Do you have any videos on modular systems, such as Eco Flow, Bluetti, or others?
Yes, check out our video on Bluetti EP800: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYhtpLmup6udpps.html
As an off grid kinda guy I like my systems to have NO software ! The Biggest problem with any of these systems is always the software in the integration. In a grid down survival scenario No. Thank you to any kind of software.
Agree 100%
Have a customer that contacted me for a back up solar power system and north east Florida. I was wondering if somebody could recommend someone.
That wall unit sure looks like it has enough bolts holding it onto the wall 🙂
I like the new style of video ... keep up the good work. Brotha uhhhhhhhhhhhh lol
I have an face and it took him two weeks to hook it all up and all running perfect and I love it
Sorry about that I met in phase
Great video review! Both Matt Ferrell's channels and yours are a must-watch. It's like a good comic book crossover with you reviewing the video! I personally prefer Solaredge due to the lower price point compared to Enphase, but the NMC battery chemistry is less superior than LFP. I do have a question. Since Solaredge has released their Solaredge Energy Hub inverter, has the reliability improved? Has the installers noticed a lowering of the failure rates with that inverter?
Interesting. I love the modular approach. Lets me customize exactly what I want/need, and allows me to expand.
Thank you for presenting and responding to Matt's video. I've been watching Matt's channel for years, and he presents many energy saving solutions and appliances for the typical home. I'm glad he caught your attention, and I hope some of your viewers decide to follow him as well. Keep up the good work, you are educating many people on preparing for the zombie apocalypse!
I like Span, but don't you need the internet to get full use?
I am curious why people aren't building their own I can build a 48 volt 315 AH LiFePO4 battery for about $1,600 pluse $200 +/- for a BMS - am I missing something? I am in the process of doing this now (with 2 EG4 6000XP) - I hope I am not missing something obvious
Joe, have you found any definitive document or spec sheet from Tesla which actually/officially states that the new Power Wall 3 is made up of LFP batteries as opposed to NMC batteries? I still haven't been able to officially confirm that the Power Wall 3 system use LFP batteries.
No I think they intentionally did not publish this to spark the kind of speculation we are having now.
He picked the most expensive garbage option xD
It has always seemed to me that Enphase has gone out of their way to create a route where they force people that buy their solar panel micro inverters and controllers, etc. to force people to be locked into buying all Enphase components including batteries. They also seem to have (doubled down) by creating their batteries with even more micro inverters and so to force people to make you buy as many of their inverters as possible and in the end it is to line their pockets. ( Not a Question Really, but more of what i've seen from their equipment and their pushing people to buy more and more of their micro inverters. )
The counterpoint is vendor finger-pointing if an issue arises leaving homeowner in the lurch when combining best-of-breed. We are VERY early in the tech curve on consumer whole home batteries (if the overall scheme of things). I have SunPower system using EnPhase inverters… I’m annoyed enough with SunPower for their heavily shortcut to-my-detriment install, that I’d love to dump their PVS6… but anyway. As SPAN is complete overkill for me/my use case, what I’ll be looking forward at some point is a Hybrid Inverter and battery system that are guaranteed compatible, if not same vendor or an integrated unit. Matt’s mentions his real reason for enPhase battery is local AHJ sprinkler requirement for over 20kWh system … as I’m looking at >20kWh battery system, so enPhase makes no sense at this time for me.. other professionally installed options will be cheaper
You have the best solar content on the internet right now. Thank you 🙏
Glad it was helpful.
I am pretty sure you can access the enphase web ui locally and dont need intenet connectivity.
Not directly through a web UI, it can be controlled somewhat through Home Assistant locally
Joe, you should contact Enphase. The CEO wrote a letter to shareholders and stated the company's next generation IQ battery is coming out in early 2025. here is a brief from of the letter: In 2025, we plan to introduce our fourth-generation battery, which is designed to increase energy density by 40%, reduce wall space area by 60%, and reduce cost. This is achieved primarily by optimizing the electronics inside the battery, utilizing our new 1.68 kW AC microinverter variant with integrated battery management and neutral-forming capability. We are also working closely with our battery cell suppliers to advance our battery design life up to 20 years, and to further improve battery safety and reliability. Starting in 2024, our batteries will include microinverters manufactured in our contract manufacturing facilities in the United States, leveraging the IRA
What would you recommend for a pro-installed unified battery/controller ecosystem setup then? I used to think you favored Enphase, but you seemed to have soured on them recently?
I still like Enphase. I also like Tesla, Franklin and SolarEdge depending on the situation. In this case, since he already had Enphase micro-inverters, staying with the Enphase batteries made sense.
In the end it seems you’d be better of having an energy audit of the house, mitigate things like missing insulation, replace old single pane windows, replace older water heater, replace old furnace with heat pump, etc. in other words, limit your energy usage up front before investing in solar cells and batteries.
Agree 100%
True. I have all of 3.9 kW peak of solar. Under NEM 2.0 in California I produce 2,000 kW-hr excess per year. This really surprised me as in renovating my house I added a basement and two more baths to a three bedroom house. The difference was really insulating everything, putting in double pane windows and going all electric with heat pumps for AC and hot water.
Quick question on app, is Bluetooth sufficient to control these home battery systems or do you actually need internet access? If so, why?
That's a great question. I don't have a clear answer on that yet.
@@SolarSurgeEnphase Requires a live internet connection, to control the battery discharge, in the event your connected to a virtual powerplant on the grid, this is because the utility directs them to put your system in discharge in the event they need grid support. They also require a cell modem as a backup, in the event the main ethernet or wifi connection stops working. It’s also a good ides for the data logging of production & discharge, and finally it’s a requirement for their 15 year/6,000 cycle battery warranty. how can they track cycles if it’s not being monitored?
I've really been thinking about going with the EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra set up. Seems to come out much cheaper while allowing a modular setup with batteries that can be moved around for multiple use cases.
I dont think you can use the Delta Pro Ultra or any Ecoflow or other brand of off grid systems with a grid-tied solar system.
13.9kw system he's lying
He has enphase iq8m micro inverteres
Maximum continuous 325 x 43 panels 13.9kw
So, how do I get federal tax break if Im on SSI
That's the problem. Essentially, if you don't pay the government taxes you can't use the tax break.
@@tookster7483 Everyone pays taxes xD if your working stiff you pay taxes bro. Everyone forgets that where you work automatically takes out money from your check to pay those taxes.
Nice job
Good video, but I disagree with your video title. When I go camping, the tent I use will never bring in any revenue. However, the tent "pays" for itself the first time it keeps me dry during an overnight rain. Batteries are not necessarily the best financial investment, but they DO have a return on investment and the financial return is faster when the prices of electricity goes up. "Financial sense" of the return on investment depends on future electricity rates, but practicality during grid power outages is priceless.
yeah, uh huh. we have one provider to my house. i have zero choice.
Great points! Given that battery technology is changing faster than just about anything else, I'd really hesitate on getting a battery that was packaged with a lot of other technologies that are changing more slowly. Having everything in one package may seem nice and convenient, but you may want to upgrade each piece of it at different times depending on the technology improvements, and if you do that, then Powerwall 3 loses much of its appeal.
Sounds like you don't need a battery to have back up to grid
To bad Sunpower is losing money hand over fist. They look like they are close to bankrupt.
Get Tesla
Appreciate your detailed and factually accurate analysis
This presentation is perfect for newbies like me. Thanks!!! 🎉
These are typical interest rates. Solar just isn't cheap enough, and it's been this way since I remember in the 1970s. government involvement is wrong answer. I've said, Ford made the car affordable and attractive to the masses without the government, Solar Ford needs to make it cheap and attractive. In the end, I don't think solar will ever be what I use to hope for, the panacea of cheap power. It will be relegated to niche consumers and ultra rich to service server farms, the fastest and soon to be largest power consumer.
I saw this coming from the day I signed the contract!! The salesman was extremely misleading and deceitful. I didn’t necessarily care about going green but he told me that I wouldn’t have a power bill anymore with Duke but that was a complete lie. I didn’t even get a big enough system to cover my electric costs and after I discovered that they said they couldn’t put anymore onto my roof. Now I’m stuck paying $300 a month for the system and a power bill still!!
My story exactly!! Im paying double now. It is summer and now my bill is sky high and also paying on the panels. What a waste of money!!
Me too he forged the electronic signature and was shady.
I installed a device in 2020 with titan solar power in Florida, I searched and decided on them because they had quite a few good reviews and AAA in Florida looked good. I educated myself before making any decision. Even so, they deceived me with the tax credit. I went through a lot of work and fights to be able to activate my panels. I am very disappointed with all this and I am not surprised that the closures are horrible. I will lose my warranty and only the first year several things already broke I do not want think about 30 years...horrible
Titan Solar installed my panels in 2018. Have had 1 problem with the inverter, which they fixed immediately. No problems right now but am curious who I should reach out to if I do have a problem.
If a customer says they're selling their home in a few months, how do you move forward with a potential sale?
Solar is a lie!