I am enjoying these discussions!

I find it fascinating to read everyone’s opinions here. In an area that simply cannot be known, we are all speculating. Belief that gives comfort to one may not work for another. As I search for peace, I wish you all peace.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Jonny... I like your perspective. Peace to you too

@adeelio83

4 жыл бұрын

Depends of course if the creator has revealed his plans in advance.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Discover "faith in God" through the scientific methodology in only three stages: faith in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery faith is in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery. Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@@adeelio83 Discover "faith in God" through the scientific methodology in only three stages: faith in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery faith is in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery. Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 Sorry to say but I can't understand what you are trying to say.

Extremely interesting video. I love Eleonore Stumps analogies and the way she thinks. I also loved that Robert showed the completely polar opinon of Eric Steinhart (and Roberts obvious dislike of Eric's thinking).

Robert, It's nice to find someone like yourself, that is searching for the same answers as I am. I'm in my 50's now, but I came to the realization at a very young age that the survival of my consciousness after the body dies, is the most important principal to me. Right now, there is no scientific evidence to prove this and all the religious explanations are just stories to give people false hope. Are there any scientists that you can talk to or interview that are doing any experiments to prove that consciousness survives the death of the body?

@agusti211

Жыл бұрын

Sam Parnia,Bruce Greyson

@marknesser9602

Жыл бұрын

@@agusti211 I've watched many videos on Sam Parnia and Bruce Greyson and the just talk about their Near Death experiments. I guess I'm looking for experiments that are more like the kind they did in the movie Flatliners.

I enjoy this program but it’s difficult for me to understand how some well educated people believe these ancient myths as veridical truth.

@cartesian_doubt6230

4 жыл бұрын

*SOME*? Most well educated people believe in God. If well educated here means has attended university at the bachelor, master and PhD level, the statistics are clear; the majority of those who are educated are believers.

@deanwilson8955

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not referring to believing in god as both theists and atheists cannot prove their viewpoint. I’m referring to people who believe what is written in ancient scrolls.

@AlexanderShamov

4 жыл бұрын

​@@deanwilson8955 You've just demonstated the reason. The notion that disbelievers in a Russel teapot have as much of a burden of proof as the believers is already absurd, but apparently you're fine with it. But when _some_ absurdities are normalized, people consider even greater absurdities, like taking the ancient myths seriously. There's no limit to this insanity.

@TheStruggler101

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderShamov It's just the good ol' human condition at work my friend.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@deanwilson8955 What "ancient scrolls" are you referring to? I have some interest in scrolls but I can't seem to grasp the language of Greek. Maybe it's my chemo-brain. Don't forget that back then ( 2,000 years ago and more) most cultures were oral and very few people could read or write. So people who were educated would read from the scrolls before an audience.

The happiness that comes from a body devoid of all imperfections is so immense that this question would never occur to the brain of an immortal!

my sincere thanks. one of the best channels available..

I really learn a lot from watching these episodes. Thank your for producing this content!

You will not be annoyed, you as the entire universe will delight in your expirence, and ours because of your fractal. You are a unique facet on the crystal that is consiousness.

Your body isn't just you...you are your consciousness which actually defines who you are . Your consciousness is everything about you including your memories and life experiences.

We don’t know yet how to exist without the body . That’s one of the abilities of this quantum machine . We must learn so much we are lost in the universe 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

I love idea about my home and me being happy there, but it's because life is temporary and ever changing phenomena, if we talk about eternity i definitely want to make many radical changes and improvements before that can happen. I want a perfect body, a perfect home in a perfect place, with perfect neighbors or no need to bother resurrecting me.

When trying to intellectualize the details of existence outside of spacetime we fall into the trap of materialism. Since we are within the limited sphere of three dimensions within time, it is impossible to conceptualize another reality. Consider the scripture..."No eye has seen, No ear has heard, neither has it entered the mind, the things God has prepared for them that love him."

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

sounds like something you make up to say to bad children to get them to behave

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwills9337 What sounds like "something you make up...?"

@thomasdykstra100

4 жыл бұрын

The Father has made our Way 'home' plain enough in Christ Jesus. The Gospel and the fellowship of His Spirit is sufficient for this faith pilgrimage.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasdykstra100 I believe yet I still struggle with questions and doubt. Is this contradictory?

@thomasdykstra100

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 : "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus[d] from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.:--Romans 8 Take this to heart, Brother John:: "Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice[b] cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. "But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So death is at work in us, but life in you. "Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, 'I believed, and so I spoke,' we also believe, and so we also speak, knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence. For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God. "So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal."--2 Corinthians 4

I really appreciate you approaching this subject and field with the same objectivity I’ve seen in your other videos especially reading the comments of the majority of the viewers. Kudos 😉

@my1creation

4 жыл бұрын

Ro Es I equally appreciate your comment. It baffles me that so many people can’t express a difference of opinion without being dismissive, derisive or argumentative. Thank you for strengthening my faith in KZread commenters. In regard to Robert, I think you’re right because he’s like that in his other videos too. His subjectivity is objective and his objectivity is subjective 🤣. Stay safe friend 🙂

''God is sitting around in heaven'' on his Lazyboy, amazing all the afterlife info this women has.

@joshheter1517

4 жыл бұрын

frank whelan ... she’s proposing a thought experiment.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

Discover "faith in God" through the scientific methodology in only three stages: faith in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery faith is in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery. Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 lol, watch me draw a circle

@realitywave

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 fear of death makes some people believe silly things

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

According to neuroscience, the human brain is subject to the principle of equivalence, and the "concept of value" that differs from one person to another and not because of the objectivity of the question, why did the mouse not aware of you judge you for reality? The word "faith" is linked in the subconscious to the word "absurd." This was an attempt by the unconscious to steal the equivalent.

I realise just how much the world misses without continuing revelation from God. I am grateful that I know what has been revealed in the latter day concerning these things. I bear witness that truth has been restored on these matters, yea even more and that our Father has not left us to fend for ourselves or depend on the knowledge of men regarding truth. Saith the Saviour to mankind/ the seeking soul in these last days "Come and see".

Because Emotions are Powerful! And maybe we need a physical body to have powerful physical emotions.

@realitywave

4 жыл бұрын

we need a body to have any thought, feeling, emotion, awareness of any kind.

The 'Resurrection of the Body' happens when you're alive , not after you're dead. It's a tremendous energy which flows through the body, possibly caused by the reactivation of the Thymus gland. All the great mystics experienced it, although they didn't say too much about it. Krishnamurti only spoke of it on his deathbed. Nowadays Eckhart Tolle talks about the 'inner body' often.

Maybe, life once will be able to restore you (to wake you up from the dead) because you are written in its own structure and it will be able to read the "book of life". I would recommend with Isaak Newton: Be careful with hasty judgements and conclusions about the future ability of the mind (or the life)!

If you are resurrected in heaven (a place of eternal existence) with a new body and are a certain age that never gets older, do you no longer need food ? No need of a stomach, intestinal system, or a rectum ? All the internal parts that are necessary for us to exist in this life would seem to become superfluous. What would you look like ?

It's scandalous that you didn't interview N.T. Wright or Stephen T. Davis.

@carmeladicen5157

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Harper it seems the host is interviewing only christian philosophers not theologians

I'm always just as clueless after I watch one of these

a discussion based on the question of 'why a body in a resurrection' with several theologians, 27 minutes of discussion and not one of them makes any reference to scripture or the environment in which those scriptures were produced… on a material subject that could only be understood through revelation; there is no historical development or cultural citations, theologians sit at their desks, make hypothesis, think themselves clever, award themselves phds, and wonder why others remain skeptical

@thomasdykstra100

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, and then pretend all that groping about brings them "Closer To Truth"...

Great talks...love it

I'm halfway through but is he going to touch on the Dzogchen rainbow body or the Hermetic 'body of light' as (in Manly P Hall's words) the golden wedding garment at the Wedding of the Lamb? It's the alchemical side of this that's way more interesting.

"I doubt, but hope, it's Closer to Truth". Big thumbs up from me for the video (despite, or because of, some of my snarky comments).

I think the mistake is in thinking that we live in a physical universe NOW. We’re merely experiencing a material sense of a non-physical universe ... as in dreams. I presume after this life, one’s body would merely be a more true-to-form representation of one’s inner beauty or lack of. So angels would probably ‘look’ amazing, to reflect their love of ‘God’/truth. But again there would be no physical body per se. It’ll just be spirit touching or seeing other spirits through a material sensing... as in dreams! But then there’s no reason to believe that’s not what we’re doing even NOW.. although less true to form!

A third question is at what stage of that bodies existence would it be resurrected, at death or when?

And being in the present , President body with all your historical memory and then you create your own information upon on top of all existing information 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

I think there is a difference between a self and an identity; identity seems to have more to do with memory and prediction whereas self is about awareness or consciousness. Information is never lost to the ideal Observer, (even if reality were exclusively materialist, it's still never lost) so even if there is resurrection through a recurrence theorem, infinite monkey theorem or a cosmic mind pulling your blueprint from the platonic archives and adding a drop of time to it...with maybe a slight adjustment to see how the butterfly effect writes it out, I think the characters really exist in a very real cosmic story.... even though a self might not always remember past parts it has played. The neverending storyverse

I think most people, even people without religious faith, deep down desires an essence of himself or herself continues to exist beyond death, no matter how hazy this idea may be. Very few really desires to be extinguished like a flame without a trace after death. According to the Urantia Book, what really "resurrects" in our next life is not the material body, it is the personality, the identity of the person. We are to be re-personalised with memories that are worth keeping and mind-patterns in a new life vehicle, the morontial form. You "sow a mortal body" in the grave, you reap "a morontial form" on the mansion worlds. (Paper 39:2)

According to Paul's letter to the Romans, the resurrected afterlife is experienced as transformed continuity as lived out in an equally transformed creation and world. The 'nonphysical' afterlife is not a Jewish/Christian idea but one imported from Greek thought. The Hebraic idea is a physical resurrection of the embodied person. That's why Wittgenstein described his thinking as 100% Hebraic, which is consistent with his embodied, communitarian view of the mind. Sources: Wright, N.T. (2003) The Resurrection of the Son of God, London, SPCK; Labron, T. (2006) Wittgenstein's Religious Point of View, London, Bloomsbury

The body at moment of death, the physically healthy and youthful body, the ailing body but nature brain, the ideal and optimal body? What about pets' and pests' bodies? It's be awkward to look at the one legged cricket I accidentally stepped on for eternity.

It started for me 30 years ago when I purposed all matter gets pulled down to a single point from all Black Holes combined and then once to much matter is at one spot Space time restarts ,so what happens to self aware beings is the second question for me but I think we may become non material being at some point after living the choice of life by joy or by darkness, maybe required to be a being of joy before becoming non material....thinking out loud

I don't want my body ever again. It has caused me too much suffering. Our bodies die and decompose into their constituent parts. What survives the death of the body is your consciousness which is part of the greater consciousness. Does it have a body? Well, maybe it is an energy or light body, or spiritual body. But really, it is a mystery.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about your suffering. I somewhat understand your feeling as I've been struggling with terrible gastritis for 5 years ( after fighting cancer). I like the word "mystery" too. Why do we think there is no mystery to life?

If the body is burned after death?then how you resurrect?

What if in an unlimited dimensional universe you, like God, are in all of them now experiencing the same life in different ways? And, in the end come together as you, Robert Lawrence Kuhn with the memories of all of those lives as your existence experience!

I was thinking long and hard about this most important question of all in theology and came up with only one idea that satisfy most aspects and contemporary thoughts. I don't know if this is true, but this partial solution doesn't contradict anything i know about religion, science and my personal experience, that's weird and reason why i might be on to something. Let's imagine history have some physical structure, like light we can see in the night sky, traveling to us from a distant worlds long lost in the past. This means everything that happened still exist inside a sphere of electromagnetic wave radiation we emit from day we are born and until we die. Than there's a weird property of consciousness when our perception of self change with personal morals, our thought depends on memories and emotional intelligence in the present. But those are not objective physical properties, if i could relieve same moment, my material form will exist the same, but my thoughts might be slightly or radically different, since they emerge from deeper thoughts. This fact got me thinking, entire system might transcend dimension, maybe light we radiate can have life of it's own. It would be like all we experience right now is just one possible path of signals inside our virtual physical brain, that exist inside nothing of space time. We exist as sphere of light radiation, our conscious mind can travel all around that sphere. This version of consistent self is one pulse, another version is slightly ahead and another version is traveling behind us, all pulses are just as real and consistent as this one. This idea would imply material reality has already happened, we just have different thoughts each time our conscious soul travel trough same hyper material maze. Material structure of events stay the same, just our sense of self is always different. Next problem is what is real material structure than, it's probably just physics, just particles and stuff that doesn't have any intent or meaning. This is just another horrible idea anyway, nobody can imagine eternal bliss without paradoxes and agony of some sort because everything that last to long must became evil and unbearable sooner or latter, no matter how good and beautiful it seemed at the beginning of eternity. My paradox avoid those problems, we can never experience material structure directly because all physical procesess must travel in time and all eternities end just as same as original one, except it always seems new to us. It's not complete theological idea because it doesn't answer what happens when babies are born sick, in misery and die after few years of incredible agony they went trough until that far somehow, no matter how conscious experience can change, it can never be a tolerable and good existence, so this idea must also be false or entire existence must be unbelievable evil, no matter how average eternities might appear nice, moral, logical and pleasurable in that flawed concept of mine.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

I think you need to read about Islam

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 disagree, he's already demonstrated a huge waste of time and energy in the story he just wrote. This guy needs to get as far from dogma as possible and start his secular journey...leaving obtuse ruminations (like above) in his past.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwills9337 It seems that you do not know what the doctrine means and that every person has a doctrine and that you must correct your limited doctrine in a question of how? To answer the question, why?

@xspotbox4400

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustafaelbahi7979 Why, new version of Koran came out or something?

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 Because they don't want you to get an answer to the question, why? Which would justify the reward for your nervous system.

in platos form ,a body in its perfect form maybe the one that is in resurrecttion eliminated those imperfectness and exist in a perfect form of self ,meaning to say me or my self in a perfect me at my resurrection

It's a metaphor of conciousness being connected to the body...

This is a hot topic.

I could imagine resurrection appealing to some of a scientific bent bcause of its materialism. Information is a property of a physical system.

These people cannot see beyond the physical. So sad.

“The best picture of the human soul is the human body.” Wittgenstein.

Kudos -- 444 Gematria -- 🗽

Is Robert Lawrence Kuhn taking the Devil Advocate approach in this presentation. That I can buy into. If he really believes what he is saying then there is a limited understanding of the concept of Resurrection Of The Body. We need to let go of our ego and trust God. That is the definition of Faith.

Over my dead body… has a whole meaning

The Bible answers these questions best. I don’t hear anyone using what the Scripture reveals to answer Mr. Kuhn’s questions.

Our ego is so big, that one body isn't enought anymore, we want more bodies...

Transcendence is the goal of the game. A material body is the game. Once you reach the goal, you enjoy it for a while, but you eventually want to go back to playing the game so you can try to beat it again.

I think many people who have physical illnesses don't want a "body" in the after-life. However a resurrection body is meaningless for most people who don't think the possibility of an after-life exists.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

Discover "faith in God" through the scientific methodology in only three stages: faith in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery faith is in any hypothesis precedes the stage of discovery. Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

@lesliecunliffe4450

4 жыл бұрын

Your comment misses the key point: that Christ's resurrected body as recorded in the gospels exhibits transformed continuity. Physical illness is eliminated. Additionally, personhood is embodied - we think, act, etc., with our entire embodied mind, which is located in communities. This is absolutely consistent with contemporary philosophy of mind and is why the greatest 20th c philosopher of mind, Ludwig Wittgenstein, described his thinking as 100% Hebraic. By the way, the idea that there is no resurrection is meaningless to Christians, so I'm not sure why you would write your second sentence.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@lesliecunliffe4450 Hey Leslie... I did not intend to say that the resurrection is meaningless "to Christians." I meant to say that people who don't believe in an afterlife certainly don't believe in any kind of resurrection, Would that not be contradictory if they believed such? I agree that to Christians, the resurrection ( however it would happen) is very important. In fact, if no resurrection of Christ, then no crucifixion, then no Son of God on the cross, then probably no god ( or at least no Christian god ).

@lesliecunliffe4450

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 But that's obviously the case and therefore not worth mentioning, which was my point. Best wishes.

Im not sure how you would be disappointed or upset about something you will have no recollection of from your patterns past. It is a Buddist thing to just let it go.

@jgobroho

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah his view was the worst I thought. It's like making clones but improving them each time they die.

If you believe in resurrection your pattern is what must be preserved then resurrected into a new body. Makes sense because my original body is long gone through continual replacement of atoms and cells. Only memory and consciousness appears to remain. Patterns.

Good

“Sorry Erick” lol

Here's an idea... resurrection is the body and consciousness being reformed as it was. Reincarnation is the consciousness transfering to another body. As reincarnation would require birth, the process of synching the past mind/consciousness with the new still developing body might explain the lack of conscious memories of a past life and the "natural" talents that a person could discover because of learning that ability in the last life... maybe...

I find the biggest problem is the limitations the show places on which mythologies they query.. as a neo progressive conservative, I have answers that are very different from those reached in many of the shows. I'm sure many do..

Don't fret. Believe in us(humanity) and our mother(earth). It will take time, but Wisdom shall prevail. Its inevitable.

I think to understand the Resurrection its important to understand ancient Near-East ontologies of the 'Self'.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey DLee... can you explain what you mean by "ancient Near-East ontologies of the 'Self?"

Doesn’t matter that you are 21 years or 70 years old, our body changes, maybe we go in different experiences with our body only not our consciousness/soul....our soul age may be in different way....

The consciousness mechanism requires a physical state.

When we die the radiation leaves the body and the physical body biological body stays and the radiation comes out of the present memory goes to historical memory until it will be present again in this virtual reality experience 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻

I never thought anything would make me hate the word "particular." But, alas, I hate it now.

All these worldly gods and their concepts are human made...

After death we are either cremated or buried and become worm food. Either way, it's gonna be awfully hard to put all the atoms back together again. Not even the king's horses could do that.

Particularity an interesting idea that preserves ego. Many prefer utopias of large amounts of sameness of thinking, values and actions like communism and wokeism and religion these seem dystopian with no possibility of change Particularity provides for individual choices assuming individual responsibility. Change is synonymous with life. Utopias signal cessation of change.

So why was Jesus resurrected with all his previous wounds? A lot of these theories proposed by these theists seem to want to dismiss the importance of resurrection of the original body. Obviously even they see the problem with the original theology. And I agree with Robert Kuhn, the Eastern view of reincarnation loses our individual identity. But that's what everyone wants to preserve. If all reincarnation amounts to is the continued survival of energy and matter taking on different forms then we already have that in secular materialism, no need to even propose anything more. If that's the Eastern Mystical view then Eastern Mysticism is secular materialism. We already know that the matter and energy of our body will indeed be reincarnated as something else. That follows from conservation of energy and matter.

@Mystic0Dreamer

4 жыл бұрын

@@deadaccount5290 You're assuming that an immaterial soul could exist without a body. But if that were the case why would we bother having physical bodies in the first place? Unless you consider yourself to already be a zombie, then having a physical body isn't going to turn you into one.

if continuation of existence is necessary to the person than why should the flow of time keep God from sustaining individuals. Conscious or not. Is God a slave to times flow? Making the question a non problem.

Why a body in a resurrection, are gold is eternity, if we don't rich tha point, the father send you back whit all the information to produce a new form of life can be any-tin, in a new universe is the reason multiunivercse exist, you comeback whit a new opportunity and at the same time you reproduce your spirit energy, in more life (spirit energy) is the reason of the body. stay in the bright side.

"some very intelligent people believe in god" Yes, you need a lot of intelligence to ponder the subleties of how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. But that kind of intelligence does not always walk hand in hand with the ability to question the unsupported assumptions that underly your beliefs. That much is clear from this video, where the religious participants blithely ignore or don't even appreciate the missing foundations on which their beliefs are based. If you hold that the earth is held up by four pillars then you need to address what do those pillars rest on.

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

turtles, obviously!

@macavelli8905

3 жыл бұрын

Great philosophical response.

@macavelli8905

3 жыл бұрын

The philosophical answer is a question in it self..One

If you're commited to your own persistence; check out Dharma and Karma and try to imagine how it might work.

Hmmm... I think to be valid any metaphysic must be compatible with what we know from Science, and also empirical experience, rather than based primarily on ‘tradition’ or sacred texts. Yet, IMO the whole idea of an individual eternal “soul” bearing all memories, personality traits and values contradicts both. At root, an eternal “I” cannot be any of those traits inherited from our parents via genetics, or that can be lost or changed through physical injury or disease. Fundamentally you and I are consciousness - the ‘in potentia’ consciousness of the universe, currently manifesting in this body as this “unique particular” (to use Eleanore Stamps phrase). The consciousness of this particular “I” will dissolve at death, along with all memories etc. but ‘Consciousness’ - the fundamental “I AM” of me and you and all sentient beings is continually reborn - in all kinds of bodies, in multiple universes/realities. Not only does this give a justification for the ethics of religion, and connects us to all life, but it also resolves the many problems raised by the Cartesian ‘immortal soul’ hypothesis such as the ‘duplicate problem’ or the ‘will I still have my present disease/disability on resurrection?’. It is also compatible with both science and even those sacred texts eg. “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM” Exodus 3:14, “Love your neighbour as yourself” Leviticus 19:18 “Truly, truly, I tell you, Jesus declared, before Abraham was born, I AM!” John 8:58, “I AM the vine and you are the branches” John 15:5, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” Matt 25:40 “For as the body is one and has many parts, and all the parts of that body, though many, are one body” 1 Corinthians 12:12 etc. etc.

would a person with down syndrome or a baby dies at 6 months old would they be happy to be resurrected.....what happens if the earth ends where will all these souls live?

I'm probably projecting my prejudices on it, but Robert's face when talking to the "particularity" woman around 3 to 4 minutes in looks just like an "oh whoops, I've got to politely listen to this and somehow make a video out of it" face.

@davidgould9431

4 жыл бұрын

My goodness! Doesn't she get silly at around 16:30 ? Lots of undefined technical words that might just be woo-woo. Robert exudes patience.

@bannaubrycheiniog1329

4 жыл бұрын

Didnt get that whatsoever, Robert has done thousands of interviews over the years and met people with so many different ideas and beliefs, he wouldn't be shocked by any idea that you would consider crazy, he is a respectful journalist and if he ever came across disrespectful he would no longer get any guests.

@davidgould9431

4 жыл бұрын

@@bannaubrycheiniog1329 You are absolutely right, of course: I was just seeing what I thought ought to be there. People are prone to that, apparently, and none of us is immune.

perhaps the answer is in the holographic universe principle and quantum entanglement.

I'd prefer a different model body, 2.0 version improved.

Where western science merges with eastern philosiphies. I can't blame John for rejecting that multi- gods/muti/consciousness/ multi- copies of self psuedoism. I could careless about any preposed simulation of me. Because it ain't ME! I curiously lean towards the simple yet still awesome explanation for all of this found in the Bible. Using his unlimited power, God created a physical being from the "dust" or ground of the earth. Since He did it once, in the resurrection- why couldn't He do it again? Unless He somehow is limited in what He can do simply because humans don't understand it or cannot duplicate it in a lab.

@schmetterling4477

2 жыл бұрын

Western science doesn't merge with anything, but there are plenty of people who don't understand science.

@keithbell9348

2 жыл бұрын

@@schmetterling4477 Well I'm not a scientist. But I do know mumbo jumbo when I hear it. If what he describes "multiple univereses with mulitple gods with multiple bodies" is your version of "science" then I don't know what to do with you.

I have been aware of spirit most of my life, it stays with you all your life once you have seen, heard etc, no one will believe you unless they have experienced it. Ask or seek it will be shown to you if you are sincere.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Michael... aren't those the words of Jesus the Christ? Some people don't care to ask or seek.

@michaelburden5895

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 yes, it can be very scary at times not to be messed with, all we need to do is sit and be quiet we would learn so much more in this life. I dont understand it but i know spirit is real, i think you have to look at atoms, electricity etc to understand how it can be. Best wishes. Michael.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelburden5895 Thanks for sharing Michael.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi I disagree. Jesus loved us too much to want to free Himself from the ropes and nails. That was the real power of God, love for His creation. I respect your worldview. He did die like any other crucified human would have died, but his reason to die was love. I wish I could understand that kind of love.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi Wow... Thanks for sharing all that. I have to read slowly and try to digest what you say. I guess I am "insane" then because I think Jesus died for love of his creation. Of course it seemed like everything was beyond his control when he died. Jesus even felt abandoned by both His Father and his followers. So... let me read again what you wrote and try to understand your worldview? Okay? John in Florida

Anyone who can speak with such certainty about that which cannot be known is indeed a fool. Many, many fools in this episode.

The qur'an answers all questions

Buddhism is about soul extinction. Nirvana means ''snuffing out''. Judaism does not have an afterlife. Christianity speaks of a higher type of body. " There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.'' No religion is Abrahamic, he didn't found any religion.

Reminds me of the inane superficiality of Nicodemus concerning spiritual rebirth; Christ's patient reproof bears repeating (perhaps Mr Kuhn may happen upon it [again] in his "search"): "Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, 'Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these [a]signs that You do unless God is with him.' Jesus answered and said to him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.' "Nicodemus said to Him, 'How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?' Jesus answered, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘'You must be born again.’" The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.' "Nicodemus said to Him, 'How can these things be?' Jesus answered and said to him, 'Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. “'For God so loved the world, that He gave His [e]only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.'”

I think Robert here is riding the crazy train. Going from Science to fantasy.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey... I'd like to ride, not the "crazy train," but amidst the branches of TREEBEARD in The Lord of The Rings fantasy!

@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings

4 жыл бұрын

Roberts reached an age he feels Death/End is near,so naturally he seeks knowledge on Death,Afterlife.There will come a time when you might too.

@davidgould9431

4 жыл бұрын

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings In the middle of a pandemic, I suspect we all worry about dying. The only way to discover anything about what it's like to be dead is to ask a dead person. Which is problematic. Robert is talking to (living) people who claim to know about being dead. Probably to make an entertaining video: we certainly aren't going to actually find out what it's like to be dead.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi I'm gonna keep riding "the Peace Train."

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

@Stefano Portoghesi Peace to you....

I think they start out believing want their saying? I think it's all BS because no one has sent a postcard back from the other side.

The eternal life in this universe may not be possible in the face of second law of thermodynamics unless there is way around it.

My body is only a.vehicle for communicating with universe...the reason being to live abstract notions for specific time ..then I will go to the next stage which is spiritual with a non_material body...this means that our bodies are only robot with us inside it our brains are the monters ...our success or failure in this training on earth will be judged corrected by either hellfire or heaven stay

Cuz it's a comforting idea...but the body will always be different...the christ must be of the times they serve

can hitle.r be resurrected. who decides?. god. ?

Christ's resurrection of his body was for the purpose of demonstrating to humanity that mankind has more life awaiting them beyond the material death experience. If mankind were each perfect spiritual ideas in the divine Mind -- then each person's identity can never be lost, nor die, nor be destroyed -- because all that God creates is eternal. Christ's body was resurrected as material because the disciple Thomas felt the holes in Jesus' hands and side left during the crucifixion. But, it is likely that after Jesus stayed 40 days on the earth following his resurrection -- that as Jesus ascended into heaven, Jesus de-materialized and became totally a spiritual image in Heaven.

N.Y.C. Freddy: Comment: Hum! An OLD TIME REV. once asked & then answered! (Define) 'What is death?' Ans: "DEATH" is the Absence of Life! 'We' the 'living' have been 'relegated' as now being alive and 'living' a 'life'!' (A good life or bad!) It's up to 'us' to maintain truth throughout life as 'we' live such! Am I my brother's keeper? You BET you are! **Peace

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Freddy... I like your statements. Your idea of living truth and being my brother's keeper reminds me of the words of Jesus the Christ. Peace to you too.

@n.y.c.freddy

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 *Yes.,! John B.! No matter 'how' one label's Jesus 'Christ' it's just that it's about the 'living' truth! (Truth - as a named person!) ONE WHO CAME TO "US" as a LIVING TRUTH! [ Whether 'Jesus' or another! ] (The TRUE PROPHETS!) 'We' HUMANS are a family. 'Everything' must be 'shared'! So! 'How' does one amass a BILLION DOLLARS! It's impossible! (Unless!) [ Within this known 'economic' market? ] If one does! Hey! Then larceny is performed at 'one level or another' by THOSE who have achieved such! Sad! But THAT is the TRUTH! That 'really means' that THEY do NOT share! Am I my 'brother's keeper? YOU BET YOU ARE! They 'just don't get it'!' **Peace..

Christians who believe in the resurrection of the physical body should read 1 Corinthians 15 again.

Cause we are living in a material world And I am a material girl You know that we are living in a material world And I am a material girl

What are Angels made out of lady?

It all has to with original intent!! Man was made as a composite being of spirit, soul, and body!! Made in the image and likeness of God!! But God is spirit and has no image right?? Well, God did acquire an image when God took on flesh in the person of Jesus!! In time, the incarnation happened some 2000 years ago, but at the incarnation eternity came into time!! The person of Jesus had two natures Eternal God and Man in flesh!! In Jesus creation is bridged with the creator!! Jesus is the bridge!! The one mediator between God and Man!! So, Having an eternal component, everything Jesus was/is and did, had an eternal component to it!! That said, when Genesis says that man was made in the image of God, it was referring to Jesus!! Jesus is the image of the invisible God !! So, we were made to be like Jesus, having bodies and spirits!! That is the original intent for Man!! That said, the redemption wrought by Jesus redeemed both body and soul for eternity!! Soul first and then the body!! In that order!! That is why we get our bodies back at the end, though not as we have the body now!! Our bodies now, are not in the image of Jesus!! Our current bodies are corruptible!! The bodies we receive at the resurrection are incorruptible, impassable, infinitely agile, and immortal!!

What is body???body is just a vehicle helps soul to develop and conserve it during heart pumping and brain functions periods it is soul.builder or creator we can say thanks to its unique flesh properties specifically designed by creators to function so..once it seize its operations it is decomposing in burial or cremations ..ash to ash earth to eart...that is why death is not sad in the eye of creators but very sad and sorrowful in the mind of human beings because of the uncertainty..that is the reason so.many kids are born sick or disabled because creation system can make mistakes during creation .and this is the question you ask Abrahamic religions practicers and not get the answer all they say God is great and we don't know ...creation is a matrix mechanism set to function to create life's bodies to create souls and this mechanism make mistakes ...main purpose of human creation is reaching the perfection increasing consciousness to a level in which you can serve the universe collectively......it will be very strange for most but beli6or.not we are in being universe is alive and we are as human souls residing in the brain of God like the thoughts that floating in our brain in which we can also create quasa realities aka dreams...

Dr. Who has it right just regenerate a new body for another season.

Where does the lady get the information that angels are immaterial? On a side note, I don't think there's any such thing as something that's totally immaterial in the non-physical sense. There is matter\energy, and God is made up of both and so are angels and so are we. After all, we still don't know what most of the universe is made of! I'm not saying that dark matter is the same as spirit matter, but who knows. That's why I enjoy physics, I love the search knowledge! Where does it say in scripture that angels are immaterial? I don't even think God is immaterial! He's just as real and physical as the rest of us. Personally I believe that angels are people that either haven't been born yet, or they are people that have died. After all, who better to help out somebody here on Earth than maybe their deceased mother or something like that. Those who love us the most would find the most joy in being involved in our lives.

@roqsteady5290

4 жыл бұрын

Don't fall into the trap of imagining that just because there is a word for something there must be some underlying substance. Angels are just a part of a fantasy that has no foundation outside of the imagination of the people who invented it.

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

it was interesting to read your comment and notice where your 'love of physics' ends at 'I believe in angels'. It's almost like the ladder impedes the former.....

@dankuchar6821

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwills9337 Not at all. Physics is hypothesis, evidence, data, and theory based. But the deeper my understanding of physics goes, the more I realize how little we actually know. And the entire cosmos could be full of things we have no understanding about. My religious beliefs do not preclude my understandings of physics and my studies in that area. I can't prove God exists. I can't prove there's life after death, and I can't prove there's life before death. But I have a hypothesis that those things are real, and there is evidence, personal evidence, that I have experienced and also the experiences of people in my immediate family, that lead me to believe these things are indeed real. It is nothing that I could write a dissertation on, but there is enough evidence for me to at least entertain the possibility. My belief in God is absolutely not the Trinity! That's not a hypothesis that I believe has any validity. I believe that God is a literal father of our spirits, that we lived before this earth, that we exist in mortality for a short time, that we die and eventually get resurrected and live again. I know there's not a whole lot of evidence for these ideas except for some crazy Bible stories, but there could be validity to these stories and my personal experiences, and those from my family lead me to believe that these stories have some truth to them. God, or my Heavenly Father is a physical being. He has power and glory and influence that expands through the cosmos, though I can't tell you exactly how. Perhaps the fields of field theory emanate from God, or at least he has the power or technical knowledge to manipulate them. I don't know. My religious beliefs are that we have the capacity to become like God, that's why he chose to be called only Father, because like earthly children we have the capacity to become like our parents. And maybe in a trillion years after I die I will evolve to that state that He is in now. I am not the only one to believe this way. 2001 space Odyssey is probably the closest science fiction depiction to what I think God is. So some people would call them aliens. Or maybe in Interstellar, God would be one of the 5 dimensional Bulk beings. Anyway that is what I currently believe. I know my beliefs are likely to change as I gather more evidence and have more personal experiences. I don't expect anyone to believe what I believe without having similar experiences. I enjoy studying physics, and I've dedicated my life to that research, because I like to know how the universe works. My religious beliefs teach me WHY the universe exists and why I am here. Science teaches me HOW the universe came into being and the laws by which it functions.

Ezekiel 18:4- .....the soul who sins is the one who will die. Soul is a living, breathing creature. Genesis 1:20- then God said: "Let the waters swarm with living creatures(souls).... Genesis 6:17- As for me, I am going to bring floodwaters upon the earth to destroy from under the heavens all flesh that has the breath of life....

Didn't the disciples not recognize jesus when he came back so therefore we would be renewed.

This is theological and philosophical shenanigans and religious sheer nonsense.