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@420Tombstone

2 жыл бұрын

No need :) always listen start to finish.

@user-oi9zq2fz6f

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you lex Great episode.

@DeAudiofilosyLocos

2 жыл бұрын

I think that Joscha is from Eisenach, Turingia. Or Leipzig? he could very well be related to GOD (JS Bach). I would Iove to interview him on my insignificant channel and talk music.

@YMD444

2 жыл бұрын

All life is suffering by its very nature. It only hurts when you cannot understand the truth of things,,there is no “you”…the destruction of the ego is our biggest feat here. Once you see things for what they really are-including the “self”, you can begin to understand,, “dependent origination” -and life gets easier and you get lighter and easier. You treat “people” kinder with the understanding that “few are born with little dust in their eyes.”✨✨✨All can come to this understanding, but not all will.

@YMD444

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to have a conversation about this with Lex😭✨This dude has a pretty close concept to what I know to be the truth,,but The questions Lex asked him we’re-from what I know -leading him more towards the truth,differing from what this man described. This man has a close concept but from what I know -it’s not quite the truth.

The information density of Josha's speech is breathtaking.

@gencorp1659

2 жыл бұрын

And it’s his second language!

@RR-et6zp

Жыл бұрын

read more

@RR-et6zp

Жыл бұрын

@@gencorp1659 I speak 7 like that, so do my friends, relax lmao, read more

@user-od3rl5mc

Жыл бұрын

@@RR-et6zp I will when you study grammar.

@RR-et6zp

Жыл бұрын

@@user-od3rl5mc there's nothing wrong with it

The thing I absolutely love about lex is he is dumb enough to ask the questions in a way that I could follow but also genius enough to know what questions to ask.

@Killuminati23

5 күн бұрын

what should that even mean

Everyday after work, I need my 20min Joscha Bach. "So you're a big sensor creating a story". Exactly what I told my boss this morning.

@CCW6869

2 күн бұрын

your boss after watching Joscha: You are just a cell controlled by the spirit(self organization software agent) of my company.

To me, Joscha is the most profound public intellectual of our era. It is unfortunate that he does not have more public exposure, but I suppose that is simply due to the unbelievably high level at which he perceives and thinks of these ideas. He is simply a different level.

@ericcricket4877

Жыл бұрын

He's incredibly good at dodging some certain questions.

@armondtanz

Жыл бұрын

Yes , his process of thought is in the top 1% He needs a noob translator!!!

@dhalikias

Жыл бұрын

@@armondtanz Try top one-billionth.

@agt5jx87

Жыл бұрын

@@ericcricket4877 I've heard this mentioned many times by other people. I have read Joscha's book and listened to much of his material and never really felt this sentiment. Could you explain more? I'm genuinely curious.

@ericcricket4877

Жыл бұрын

@@agt5jx87 I'll try to remember to do that tomorrow, but i'm going to have to watch that again. It's been two months.

This is one of those podcast where you can't really do anything else at the same time as listening, really need to give this one your full attention

@unten462

2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree. Listening To this while doing monotonous, physical demanding work on a construction site right now, and I'm already looking forward to the first part with Joscha. Thanks lex for your amazing work!

@dontquitnoob1347

2 жыл бұрын

I legit have to pause, think, and replay.

@donaldtoonsberry832

Жыл бұрын

@@unten462 I don’t believe you. Why would you be looking at comments? That’s not in line with hard work coupled with listening to complex ideas. You’re at home. Have been all day.

@Bilbus7

Жыл бұрын

@@donaldtoonsberry832 hahahahahahaha got em

@antpoo

Жыл бұрын

@@donaldtoonsberry832 😆

The first episode with Joscha is the best in the history of the podcast so its safe to say I'm excited for this one.

@UserName-ii1ce

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah really hard to top that episode

@MagufoBoy

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

@mack626

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t even watch this right now, gotta save this shit haha

@michaelmarhal

2 жыл бұрын

i enjoyed the 1st podcast with Joscha Bach so much that i sought out other lectures and conversations with Joscha!

@malcolmlee5499

2 жыл бұрын

Ya, I remember sitting in my car about to go on an 8 hour drive and started his first Lex episode. When he explained what a nerd is as being someone that uses dialogue as a means for peer review of ideas as opposed to a bid for social power I was hooked. His rhetoric for diagnosing the mind is unprecedented. Definitely one of my favorite thinkers.

Joscha Bach is one of the most interesting people I've ever heard. The manner he describes these complex subjects like the way we perceive reality is amazing. The first time he was on the podcast must have listened to it 3 times in a week

One of the most broadly educated and thoughtful minds out there. Thank you for bring Joscha Bach back on the podcast Lex.

I vote for Lex and Joscha to get together every week and just talk for three hours - they are so amazing. Thank you both for sharing your time and ideas

@DBFIU

2 жыл бұрын

YESSSS!

@lenaspaet605

2 жыл бұрын

I am listening for the 3rd time now and still am amazed, it's only hard to get stuff done

@claudiaarjangi4914

2 жыл бұрын

I find it so hard to listen to a host purposely misunderstanding, it makes me cringe/ feel embarrassed for him.. Is he that worried he won't look as smart as his guest

@tezeramengistu7567

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudiaarjangi491467t00

@foelysgirl22

2 жыл бұрын

make it so number one ;)

Joscha is simply on another level.

@marcelmarshall4240

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely showed that Lex is still relatively young, emotional, and not quite connected to the level of awareness he thinks he is.

@theantiantichrist

2 жыл бұрын

Many brilliant people on this podcast, but Joscha is truly a genius.

@pskl

2 жыл бұрын

@@theantiantichrist jup

@Gunth0r

2 жыл бұрын

@@theantiantichrist the thing about geniuses is that most people don't understand them. As in, they could be spouting all sorts of bullshit and make a career out of that, because their vocabulary and use of concepts befuddles most minds. Do people spot your mistakes? Just raise the level of abstraction.

@InnerLuminosity

2 жыл бұрын

To sum it up...we exist in the story our brains tell us! 😉

Without a doubt the trippiest episode I've listened to. Joscha's descriptions are simultaneously abstract to the point of incomprehensible and yet I somehow feel as if I can just maybe manage to wrap my monkey brain around these concepts and know what it is he is talking about. A surreal experience.

“Everyone is you in a different timeline but sees things differently with good reason”, that will stay with me.

@queball685

2 жыл бұрын

reminds of Kurzgesagt's The Egg story. If you like that quote you will love this video

@southernaf6785

2 жыл бұрын

Hinduism just keeps getting shit right and it’s throwing me for a loop truly lol

@alexcorrea4828

2 жыл бұрын

@@southernaf6785 it's kind of crazy when you figure out you can do anything you want really

@marcoandreknottjung3418

2 жыл бұрын

Every One, but not Every Two!

@backwardthoughts1022

Жыл бұрын

too bad he still worships the metaphysics that meat chunks are aware

2:29:50 "I think that love is the discovery of shared purpose, it's the recognition of the sacred in the other. And this enables non-transactional interactions." - Joscha Bach I really like this.

@jenniferarnold-delgado3489

Жыл бұрын

yeah , I am into mutuality right now

@TheFinav

Жыл бұрын

I love it too. Wouldn’t it be nice if Shakespeare were around today to compose a rhyming couplet, which included the expression “non-transactional interaction”?

@florentin4061

Ай бұрын

But what is purpose

I've never seen anyone make Lex close his eyes in confusion and amazement like Joscha. His perspective on things is mind blowing.

@brken_blndie

2 жыл бұрын

Joscha makes lex feel the way lex makes joe rogan feel

@Hecarim420

2 жыл бұрын

His perspective on thighs is CORRECT :v

@Sal3600

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus, this is repeated stuff. Have you guys been living under rocks. Can you not think for yourselves?

@Gunnplay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sal3600 Then don't comment, smart guy. Honestly, what did you think your comment was actually going to accomplish?

@Hecarim420

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Gunnplay He is the one that simplifies things, for smart people (or with enough knowledge) its obvious when they hear true, but not everyone in life has a chance to hear it or get those type of talks becouse most people are stupid and ignorant. Maybe he is smarter, idc ithing the reality is that almost all people here are smarter than averege and its preatty sad when u thing about it :v Mad people beliving in fake Gods and rulling the world, funny life to live :v

His name sounds like a sneeze, but he has a quick answer for everything, often surprising, sometimes frustrating, never dull. He's a realist & Lex is a Romantic & that's one hell of an entertaining pairing.

@guitarvorous

Жыл бұрын

He is a very different realist.

This guest is my favorite of all Lex's guests Dr. Bach's first appearance is legendary.

This really seems, without hyperbole, like one of the most important pieces I've content I've ever heard. I feel like he just offered the best synthesis to date of consciousness and life itself. And only half way through it so far. I'm not often this awestruck. One of my first thoughts is that this needs subs in multiple languages added, as non native English speakers are going to have difficulty with Joscha's accent and level of vocabulary ; the whole world deserves to hear this!

@tycho_m

2 жыл бұрын

100% agreed

@miklimecat9636

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@chrishomevids2879

2 жыл бұрын

I second that. It's scary content in a sense, but I've never in my decades of life heard a better explanation of how things are.

@microfx

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same...

@xaxabogbart

2 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend you check out Joscha's series of talks on the 3nC3 conference. He goes into a lot more detail, and they are far more information-dense than the podcast format. Joscha: From Computation to Consciousness (31c3) kzread.info/dash/bejne/nn-Fktuada3Qn84.html Joscha: Computational Meta-Psychology kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYaYrKV_ddSshLg.html Machine Dreams (33c3) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWmirJelZsfSYtY.html 35C3 - The Ghost in the Machine kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2d_l7exh7W4pbw.html

So glad Joscha is back on for round two! Absolutely incredible.

Please have Joscha back on for #3! He is a wealth of knowledge and I would love to hear more!

“There’s a difference between making your own decisions and predicting your own decisions, and that difference is the first person perspective.”

Thank you Lex, your first podcast with Joscha was a pivotal moment in my thinking with regards to multiple topics. I am looking forward to this.

@JuanMendoza-cg3fj

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the video Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆

@Dima-rj7bv

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. My intellectual journey into questions of consciousness begun from the first episode.

@tycho_m

2 жыл бұрын

This is the first time I've heard Joscha speak and I completely agree with you. The way he translates concepts into language is opening my mind in a really exciting new way

@redeskins1968

2 жыл бұрын

The way Joscha intellectualized his thought processes is incredibly complex.

The first Joscha Bach appearance was my favorite podcast episode of any kind among thousands I've seen over the years. Now this episode is.

@taylormaines9909

2 жыл бұрын

Should I listen to first one first or this one?

@Perseus3105

2 жыл бұрын

@@taylormaines9909 i think listen to the first one will be good, its a treat

@tunnelsloth5948

2 жыл бұрын

@@taylormaines9909 I'd recommend chronological order. In this one, Bach extends some of his ideas and models discussed in the first appearance. Watching it out of order is probably fine, too, though, and will also be valuable.

@InnerLuminosity

2 жыл бұрын

@@taylormaines9909 what this man speaks of is ultimate Truth. We are in dream created by the story of the brain 🧠

I found the introduction breath taking here. "Memories and expectations are fictions that can keep us in the loop but they don't have to." Spot on.

Holy @#@! Joscha just gave us years and years of his research all chunked together in his well articulated answers. To a lot of people he probably is talking gibberish, but I have never heard another human being be able to articulate an idea so well. This is actually a sign that the model is actually very very simple. To me simplicity is a sign of truth. Thank you Lex and Joscha.

I like to pretend I can comprehend what Joscha is saying the entire podcast, I live in a blissful illusion^^

@BBBBBBBBBBBX

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 5 mins in and completely lost.

@KnuxDeluxe

2 жыл бұрын

So many listens to come 👌😒

@mermiez1

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. I understand a good 40% to 60% of his ideas. Then I use that which I've come to understand, to make inferences about the rest of what he is saying, then build a model of the broader picture he paints. Pretty easy.

@jeetkunedojuggernaut

2 жыл бұрын

@@mermiez1 everything is a model.

@thehomiebearfifa3528

2 жыл бұрын

@@mermiez1 He made a statement about himself, he said nothing about you.

Honestly, just 3 hrs? This should be its own podcast.

@ai-ur5uv

2 жыл бұрын

joscha def needs his own podcast 🔥

@HecmarJayam

2 жыл бұрын

@@ai-ur5uv Yes! Although I think he needs someone as knowledgeable and with enough depth as Lex to keep him grounded and within reach of commoners like me.

Joscha: 'there are also people who'll try to protect you', Lex: 'no matter what happens, there's a place, there's people who have what you have, and you'll find happiness and safety there'. Thanks guys. I needed that. 🙏🏽

Joscha speaks so quickly and his ideas are so complex, my brain is exploding!😵‍💫

The beauty of Joscha is how crisp, clear & logical his view point on such subjective things are, it would be so difficult to debate him even if you didnt agree with him I wish he wrote more books, especially for a general public, even though his ideas may sound complex, at the base the logic is quite simple & elegant

"Can I ask you a personal question? It's personal because you're a life form" Haha I love Lex, such a considerate guy! Gonna use that!!

@claudiosalinas9544

2 жыл бұрын

From a life form to another

I discovered Mr. Bach from a somewhat snarky twitter interaction I had with him, but I liked what I saw on his page so I looked him up on here, listened to both of your interviews with him back to back, and now I feel like my life is forever changed for the better...and it all started because some brilliant person decided to take a shot at me on twitter (a totally funny and lighthearted shot, btw). I love the whacky, beautiful ways life unfolds, and I'm eternally grateful to the two of you for producing these conversations and releasing them for free. Thank you both for the juicy, enlightening discussions.

@ReflectiveJourney

Жыл бұрын

Butterfly effect 🦋🦋

@shaunflannery168

Жыл бұрын

What is your “life” but a simulation of a life…😂

25:58 to 26:10 This is the simplest and most brilliant summery of the free will debate. In the 1000 X he tried to explain it to Lex, I got this one the best

Yes! Such a huge fan of Joscha and his thinking, his first appearance on the podcast was phenomenal. -- I feel like every time Lex stares deeply into the camera, he's trying to telepathically say to the viewers - 'this guy is way too effin smart'

Joscha is my favourite guest of yours. These podcasts are mindblowing and I dont use that term lightly. I only with I was smarter to follow the conversation on a deeper level. Never the less, great talk! I hope we get many more with Joscha.

Absolute gold! Lex and Joscha together are such a treasure for us. So much wisdom and insight for 3 hours. Cant wait for a 3rd round ❤

This is one of my favorite interviews, because they're both obviously extremely smart and nice, but they clearly misunderstood each other at times where I expected the conversation to get derailed and yet they both continued to remain calm and work through their misunderstandings. It makes me wonder if/when something like GPT-3 would be able to pick up on such subtle tensions/misunderstandings in a conversation like this...

@stevejohnson2761

Жыл бұрын

hahaha he’s such a German lol. lex: some question about post modernism josche: *laughing his ass off*😂the fuck you talking about?! it was an impressive recovery ❤😂

@playerunknown2230

Жыл бұрын

I only recently subscribed to Lex's channel after watching an incredibly enthralling clip of Annaka Harris sharing her thoughts on the nature of consciousness and while watching the longer interview Lex had a couple of moments at the max where he didn't seem to understand what she was talking about. I didn't think much of it at the time but after watching several of his interviews I couldn't tell if he was misunderstanding clear statements and interrupting / derailing the conversation because he wanted clarification for his viewers, was thrown off base because maybe english isn't his first language or if he really didn't understand clear concepts. Dont get me wrong he's smart in his own way but some of the tangents he goes on literally make zero sense half the time and i can tell the guest is being polite by not pushing him for clarification on what the hell he's taking about

@mohammedelsharif7683

Жыл бұрын

@@playerunknown2230 so you would say you understood everything both of them had to say in the conversation? and if so how do you know for certain that it's the case

Sometimes the amount of deeply meaning- and information- dense statements Joscha makes is overwhelming. A wonderful conversation, thank you for sharing this!

@sheab101

2 жыл бұрын

I swear every sentence he utters is a song.

I have to remark, every time I start to listen to Joscha speak I’m first terrified, then absolutely infatuated with the knowledge he is dropping. It blows my mind...and at the same time helps me deal with my own sublime experience as a meat puppet. I love listening to him explain in painful detail using the most precise vernacular - ah...it is like poetry to my ears. Love these podcasts and always listen start to finish about 5 times. Bravo!

@chrishomevids2879

2 жыл бұрын

If we had to decide an age rating for this video I wonder what would it be? It's scary content even for adults. Particularly the first half. Scarier than fiction because it's irrefutable, by me at least.

@NaneuxPeeBrane

2 жыл бұрын

Thought this to be a german joke... lol

Hands down one of the best conversations in the 21st century thus far. Thank ya gents!

Joshua Bach is always so enjoyable to watch. If we are levels of agents, what is the source of the soul? The closest thing I could find would be a journey of the spiritual.

I’m gonna have to listen to this podcast 5 times before it marinates. The depth is so satisfying

@InnerLuminosity

2 жыл бұрын

We exist in the story our brains tell us! Life is a dream!!

@RR-et6zp

Жыл бұрын

naval ravikant

To anyone enjoying listening to Joscha talk and not afraid of reading: Definitely check out his book "Principles of Synthetic Intelligence", its an absolute gem!

@humbleinthejungle.

2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic. I would love to learn more and I was actually looking for ways to support Josha's work. It is fantastic that he is sharing his thoughts so deliberately and eloquently. Could you please let me and others know the title of the book you are thinking about - or maybe post a link - please. Thank you.

@MungeParty

2 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks just leave out the rest of us who are afraid of reading. Is that on audible or something?

@ivanjdrakov1957

2 жыл бұрын

@@MungeParty lololol

Love Joscha more and more every time I listen to him. Lex you are very fortunate you get to sit with beautiful minds and feel their energy and hear their musical intellect in embodied shared space.

Probably the greatest thinking mind that's alive right now

This episode is a big reminder that understanding something does not necessarily make it more enjoyable.

@deth3021

2 жыл бұрын

No but it does make it less painful.

@Writeous0ne

2 жыл бұрын

it's such a weird thing for me. at first i felt calm and accepting but now i feel anxious and almost had a panic attack...

@followforms

2 жыл бұрын

@@Writeous0ne I feel you. I thought I had a high immunity to existential dread. After this podcast.... not so much.

@Omnipotent645

2 жыл бұрын

lol ive read your name and thaught I know that name from somewhere. turns out I watched a specific fingerdrumming video from you like 1000 times (the one where you are in front of a class wearing google glasses). dope fingerdrumming!

@access5870

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't disagree more.

"Sometimes it's just more about being the river".. This man is basically an enlightened buddhist.

@gunterbunt

2 жыл бұрын

also his name "bach" litterally means "river" ;)

@corinneharrison9113

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar. 👍🙏

@ReflectiveJourney

Жыл бұрын

@@gunterbunt Synchronicity 🤯🤯🤯

I’ve heard hundreds of theories explaining the true nature of consciousness, this one just feels right.

@InnerLuminosity

2 жыл бұрын

It feels so so so right!

You know it's a lex podcast when their are two sections on love.

How can you dislike this kind of conversation?....

The idea of agency being a control model that is intertwined with its own set point generator is one of those ideas that feels like a given once it's explained but is so sophisticated when you realize Joscha had to develop that idea from the ground up

Talking about dreams, i woke up this morning at 6am went to the bathroom and then back to bed and put on my computer with this podcast. after 15 min fallin asleep with the podcast still running. And in some weird way the voices and the topic where woven in to my dreams and it felt total realistic that people in the dreams aproched me with Lex voice and asked question about reality,dreams and consciouness. a good way to start the day =)

My jaw was dropping constantly throughout this interview at the bombs of knowledge being exploded by J S Bach. But when he delineated why Miyazaki illuminated his soul via the Heidi-complex, my heart swelled and models of tears fell upon the fabric of my reality. What a beautiful story Lex and Joscha wove.

@matinamin3008

2 жыл бұрын

Which part was that? Could you give timestamp?

@girlplanetboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@matinamin3008 2:33 exactly. Enjoy!

@chrishomevids2879

2 жыл бұрын

When I thought about this, innocence is dealt with well in the Japanese programs I have watched. Ash Ketchum was completely unjaded after years of trying to become a Pokemon master. Princess Peach is a classic victim of circumstance, at least in the early years.

Been waiting for this. The first was one of the best podcasts I've ever listened to

Surely everyone agrees he is the best guest Lex has had?

Just happened upon Lex. Just watched 20 podcasts this week. Rare and worth my support.

Somewhere along the way, Joscha mentions a phenomenon that language can’t adequately describe (in fact he does it more than once)…. That’s how I feel about the greatness of this conversation. Thank you both.

@jenniferarnold-delgado3489

Жыл бұрын

thus the need to start creating new words . its all about art .

It's reassuring to see Lex working hard to take this in, so am I! Joscha seems like the ultimate adult mind, ready to enlighten you but at the same time destroy your naive nursery stories about what the world is. He has a thought-out answer for everything, wow.

This is my 5th time listening to this one. Ive done the first one multiple times. I'm in love with Joscha. I was defining life as a negative entropy well long before I ever heard him. I like him because he thinks like I do but deeper than I ever could lol... and he gets to do it for a living.

The way he describes Love… Beautiful. ❤

One of the most intelligent man who ever lived !!!

I have never liked something so quickly in my entire Life… Thank you Lex & Joscha , I love you❤️

I have listened to both the first podcast with Joscha and this one at least 5 times and I'm still processing. These conversations are a gold mine of information and wisdom.

possibly the most brilliant mind i've ever listened to...thanks again Lex for the amazing discussions.

I was on a Joscha Bach marathon this week after watching Round 1. I believe I concur and endorse with almost of what he said, and thank you Lex for bringing this polymath into my intellectual hemisphere again today.

I was just thinking today that you should speak with Joscha again. I can’t wait to listen to this!

@MattLuceen

Жыл бұрын

I have listened to this a dozen times. Please do another!

I cannot believe I missed this and just found it! His perseverance was my favorite show Lex has ever done. Oh my gosh, going to be a late night! This dude literally blew my mind like 75 times in 3 hours last show

Tonight is the 854th night of insomnia and I have learnt more in that time than in 100 life times. Thank you for helping to keep me sane.

It makes me happy that people can think and talk like this.

@nothingshouldbewithouteffort

2 жыл бұрын

Right? Without descending into insoluble despair 😂

I find the exploration of who we are and what we are to be fascinating especially, in asking the questions that all of us can only postulate answers even when, we have some evidence each person seems to have their own way of intuiting the data presented. I find Lex to be the constant variable in these interviews that is the most intriguing. I have a renewed sense of humanity through each discussion that gives me a sense of a peace in this world because of Lex' optimism and view. I appreciate you Lex.

I've listened to Joscha Bach many times, he is absolutely brilliant, he is able to articulate his model better than anyone I've ever heard. He knows it inside and out, your not going to stump him, it's almost like he's already thought of how/why everything works... I watched him debate Donald Hoffman on Curt Jaimungal's show and Joscha dominated that discussion, he literally had an explanation for everything Hoffman had for him, if you haven't watched it and this interests you, I suggest you go watch it, I'm not knocking Hoffman, he's brilliant as well, It's extremely fascinating.

@wildnkarafree

Жыл бұрын

I would love to know what Joscha thinks of Tom Campbell's work

If anyone seeing this hasn't seen Lex's first interview with Joscha I highly recommend! It is one of the greatest interviews I have ever seen. If this one is half as good it will be great :) Thanks to both of you!

My favourite guest, cannot wait!! Thank you both Joscha and Lex, your conversations are so important to those fortunate enough to come across them

@InnerLuminosity

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy the dream😉

I am impressed by Joscha's patience. The interview is a wonderful opportunity to access a rare and precious intelligence. Some of the questions seem to be aimed at placating fairly mundane fears. I wonder what Joscha is afraid of?

One needs ph.D in philosophy, theology, neuroscience and computer engineering to try to understand Joshua. He's a genius of millenia. Worth of many Nobel awards. 😊

I have just listened for an hour or so of the podcast. It is mind blowing. Two very interesting things to me: 1. During the enlightenment, the philosophers imagined the word as ruled by laws similars to the ones of mechanics. Voltaire famously described God as being a Great Clockmaker (at least it is famous in France, where we are taught this in high school). Today, Joscha imagines the world with concepts derived from quantic theories, programing and probabilistic models. As great as a human mind can be, we can only comprehend the world and the universe with concepts we understand. The greatness of Joscha is that he actually acknowledges his own limits. 2. The way Joscha descibes consciousness is very similar to the way it is described by the mystics. For thousands of years, mystics have experienced the emptiness of the material world and a few of them have experienced reality. I would really encourage @lex fridman to organise a discussion with a mystic, how do mystics think the world in the age of AI. That said, I will now browse for Joscha's speeches, maybe a discussion with a mystic has already been recorded.

@jenniferabel2811

8 ай бұрын

Feel free to update, if you found something good. I was similarly reminded of the mystics, maybe A Course in Miracles, especially. It would be interesting to nail down the overlap and also the differences.

His take on and breakdown of the healthcare system is brilliant and refreshing.

@ReflectiveJourney

Жыл бұрын

Especially coming from someone one would typically consider to be deep into "tech bro" culture. Joscha is on another level though .. I might join his religion if he starts one

My god @ 02:30 Joscha nails exactly modern humans fundamental failure that is at the absolute core of all human suffering on earth almost so fluidly and calmly it may pass through many ears as just words within a larger conversation. It is the whole of our existence and if not our “absolute” we will cease to exist. It deserves every resource, will, and intention to bring to bear. It was struck upon by Lex’s signature more love mantra (which Lex i think lives in your heidi part that lives on from your childhood) i think is a large part of your success in podcasting. Joscha is like a philosophical machine gun that seems to have no internal conflicts and no ego. Its like he has a teleprompter being fed from the universe itself. When he was talking about his kids i was blown away by his almost father son and wholly ghost point of view. There are so many people i would like to hear in conversation with joscha as it seems his understanding and awareness seems boundless and rooted in first principals independent of time and place. All i can say is dam.

your material is always outstanding but the last 5-10 mins of this podcast is legendary and incredibly valuable (in my opinion) for everyone at every age in every situation, thanks for this, Lex and Joshua

Joscha I think we can all agree that your first podcast was the best conversation of podcast history. This one I am excited for !

"Good or Bad don't exist in isolation. They only exist with respect to larger systems." "We are meant to be part of something larger. That is the way in which we outcompeted other hominids." Joscha Bach

@notexactlyrocketscience

2 жыл бұрын

straight outta genesis. with knowledge and aspiration comes sin and virtue. im an atheist, but interesting to hear that convergence from another atheist in an entirely different context.

@merc9nine

2 жыл бұрын

@@notexactlyrocketscience if people did take religious texts literally, there'd he a lot of good information and lessons in there. I'm also an atheist.

@corinneharrison9113

2 жыл бұрын

Always seeking complexities.

This was the most objective framework I've ever "perceived" for explaining existence, consciousness, the greater universe, etc. I watched this over a two-day span and spent all of my time in between deliberating the parts of the video I had already watched. During my thoughts, I pondered a few questions that end up getting posed at the end, including the meaning of life. I had come to the exact same description of the meaning of life that Joscha outlined before watching that part. I was elated to hear his response align. I would prefer to attribute it to my being smart but I'm much more inclined to attribute that to Joscha's ability to outline his "aesthetic" in such detail that I was able to ride that wave with ease. I'm really reeling from this one. You must give this episode full attention. Maybe even close your eyes. It's dense and wonderful.

Listening Lex and Joscha gives me immerse pleasure, both expressed their unique way they perceive the world and being humbled about it. Lex, in his own way describing how he feels about love, makes you feel warmth, we need more people like him and Joscha, reminding us of "rhe human values" we should fight for in this unstable world ❤🙏

The first 3 hours are great but the last 12 minutes are absolute truth. 🔥 Thank you again for this interview.

Being honest, I didn't expect a literary analysis of Heidi when tuning in to this podcast! Bach has an unusual clarity of mind, and I feel privileged in eavesdropping on this conversation.

@lenaspaet605

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, first I thought - did he say "Heidi" 🏔️ I mean "Heidi" 🤦 but in the context of Ghibli Films like "Mononoke" it all made sense - eavesdropping I will again!

Goddammit Lex. If there's ONE night of the year you should get a decent sleep, it's before talking to Joscha Bach! 😄 Wonderful conversation.🙏

Thank you I found the chapter on Psychedelics. Very interesting perspective and views by Bach and Lex. I feel from my own psychedelics' experiences are much better when the set setting are in some kind of harmonious vibration and connectedness and I approach them with a basic plan ( good prep ) like a day trip to the park or forest, river, or chilling at home can be seriously mind expanding or even deeply lesson like. For me The filters are removed or some link to extra vibrational sensitivities arise. But its also a moderation thing. Like the Zen say "Not too much not too little". A tool, for reaching higher mind states, and connectedness on multiple levels. Mystical experiences. Deeper connections with nature. The playfulness of an empty child like mind full of potential . Yes my migraines are much more less frequent. A good trip takes practice. Lying on my back and looking up at the sky and clouds can be out of this world. Among many others. Psychedelics have shown me there is much more to reality than meets the eye. And that yes the kingdom of heaven is within us all. Its funny I'm often more likely to do some meditation on or after taking psychedelics. Definitely helped make my life to be a much more richer and meaningful experience, full of wonderful synchronicity. Thanks

@ReflectiveJourney

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Friend

Joscha always blows my mind, and I love his laugh!!

From one humble monkey on an elephant to another, thank you! 🙏 Wonderful stuff gentlemen! ❤️

@blueskies1237

2 жыл бұрын

Check out the book

@missyb1020

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

Listening to Joscha feels a little like life itself. You're trying to stand up on a wave that you keep wiping out on.

I would love to hear Lex interview a monk from the Advaita school of Vedanta whi focus on pure consciousness as the only reality.

@jenniferabel2811

8 ай бұрын

--and then cross-examine Joscha in conversation #3.

The way Joscha intellectualized his thought concepts is incredibly complex, and comes so effortlessly, DAAMN!

I'm still mining gold from the last conversation with Joscha. What a treat.

@dimitriosdesmos4699

2 жыл бұрын

sigh.....why? cause he is called Joshua? LOL.....damn it you jews....hilarious.

@sirus312

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimitriosdesmos4699 wtf lol

What a treat! Thank you! Joscha, you have a brilliant mind. Thank you for this illuminating conversation. By far my favorite guest. What a concise thinker. Such clarity and precision in his statements you can't help but agree! Socrates, indeed!

How could I had possibly gone 3 weeks without knowing there was a round 2 😮 the first interview has got to be one of the most important and fascinating for me.

Listening you two is like attending a Pitágoras, Newton, Einstein... masterclass. Thank's for this gift!!!!

The world needs more Joscha Bach!

I love how clearly he explains his understanding of everything. Great conversation! Next time, ask him "May entropy be reversed?" ^^

Joscha Bach is absolutely amazing. I can't think of more genious and yet lucid man. Bravo!

My favorite guest! This man has honestly changed my view on life & made me a much more peaceful man

@robertvanopzeeland8158

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious in what way?