Thank you Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn for bringing Closer to Truth.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher This is pure gibberish. God doesn't exist because he's a person? How does any of this invalidate the ontological status of his being? You also didn't state what kind of evidence one would need to have to know he does exist, or if one could even trust that evidence should they obtain it.

@ferdinandkraft857

4 жыл бұрын

How do you know you are closer to something you don't know where is?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Yeah, no problem. Are going answer any of my questions? Or are you just gonna keep posting gibberish?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@Ant orious Okay, let's have it

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@Ant orious What's undeniable?

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus 341-270 BCE

@koosemar

4 жыл бұрын

Asherah 1147 no need to be a dick about it. And referring to the bible (Genesis) is an idiotic way to try and argue the existence of your god. You aren’t even close to being as smart as you obviously think you are. Arrogant fool.

@KickArs

2 жыл бұрын

There is heat but cold doesn't exist. It is a lack of energy. There is Love but there is no hate. Just a lack of love. How free would you be if He was to decide for you all the time? How would you know from bad without experiencing it? IF God is Love then He can't hate. He cannot lack love because He is Love. It kind of remind me the question: If God knows everything, If there was something he didn't know, How would he know in the first place? Those can't be answer by us because of our lack of comprehension, understanding and wisdom. It doesn't matter what we think about God being free. It's a meaningless thought.

@bipolarbear9917

2 жыл бұрын

@@KickArs I'm sorry, but all religions are just a bunch of human constructed fairy stories. They're made up stories that come for our imagination and our inability to answer the deepest questions about the Cosmos, life and consciousness. They are a way to comfort us in our thoughts about death, and to create an illusion that our lives have some kind of meaning. While the ideals of faith and religion are admirable, history shows us that these baseless and basically superstitious beliefs in non-existent supernatural beings, have led to the suffering and slaughter of millions of people. Believing in these prepacked organized orthodox religions or belief systems is for the weak minded and intellectually lazy who prefer not to use their rational critical thinking skills.

@KickArs

2 жыл бұрын

@@bipolarbear9917 I agree with you. Let me rephrase it then. If there is a God.......

@KickArs

2 жыл бұрын

@@bipolarbear9917 I agree with you. Let me rephrase it: IF God exist....

I appreciate these videos! One point to make about God that I believe everyone misses is the fact that we as humans are trapped in time so we put the same constraints on him when we try to conceptualize God but he is NOT in time and therefore never has to consider what he or we will do in the future as there is no past or future. Everything “happens” at the SAME time. Like he said in the video our problem is that we think too small.

I love it when the humans "stress test" God. looool such hubris!

@realitywave

4 жыл бұрын

right. how can one test that which does not exist.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@realitywave ohhh burn...Did you come up with that yourself?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Paulson Oh yes, especially since the naturalist concludes that "free will" is physically determined and ultimately illusory. Please, tell me more about how "free" your thinking is.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@Daniel Paulson Okay, thanks, maybe one day I'll break out of my prison of belief and rise to your level of freedom. I'm glad you "think" that.

@realitywave

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 yes, i did. did you come up with god yourself?

The ultimate freedom is Potential, the universe is constrained Movement that gives meaning to Potential. Although Potential is worthy of our awe and respect, we cannot describe it with our language, since this language is that of movement and the being that comes from movement. Still, expression is the highest form of worship, and the movement of neurons (thinking) is a high order expression, so bless you Dr Kuhn! The quest is the Truth.

@projectmalus

4 жыл бұрын

@NotACapitalist These are all good questions, and the truth is in the question not the answer. A static answer must be in context and so when the context changes so must the answer, but this does seem periodic, so the context often reappears. It's all very interesting but such questions are on the same level of abstraction as astrology and religion. The way forward is to see the direction of money flow and reverse this thru a different economic system, easily done by small groups. Control of land is essential in giving autonomy back to the individual. The black hole comes from understanding this and feeling unable or powerless to effect the change, or even being able to do it, but realizing that it takes the giving away of all one owns...the right to ownership. Fortunately, the selfless giving conduit afforded by diminishment of the ego, and rewarded by imagination, overcomes all such bullshit. A sense of humor helps, too. Thanks for your reply!

Always enjoy listening to Dr. Kuhn's CLOSER TO TRUTH videos and his guests. His guests for this particular show, however, seemed ... lost.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Jack.... I sensed the same as you although I just skipped through the video.

Thanks for creating this great content!

I appreciate that you pose honest questions about the existence of God. I have been on the same journey myself and its disheartening when people dismiss the idea of God out of hand. We don't have definitive proof either way and it does need to be discussed.

Isn't our perception of time the underlying cause of these paradoxes ?

@hetornhetorn

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. God being the creator of the aparent chain of events we call time, it's obvioulsy beyond that chain of events.

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

More likely is that paradoxes arise because the "concept" of God is unsound and make-believe.

@hypnotourist

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwills9337 , yet the tought experiment is sound ;-)

"God loves you and he NEEDS MONEY" George Carlin

A perfect being is a being that is complete and absolute in power, wealth, fame, knowledge, beauty, and renunciation. In other words he possesses all these qualities in complete and absolute perfection.

I'd just love to see William Lane Craig on this new series. Excellent content.

I like those subjects when is raining.

@johnbrzykcy3076

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Dom, but what if it's raining droplets of confusion?

@domcasmurro2417

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbrzykcy3076 There is always the wine, John.

Think about this: The ants in my backyard know no more about me than we know about GOD yet we (religion) act as if we know anything about GOD. We are at best delusional.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Can those ants apprend your existence in any way?

@DeadEndFrog

4 жыл бұрын

We act as we know anything about 'god'- Worst of all, we don't even know if he exists.

@jedi4049

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoisySplatter consciousness? Can they break the wave function?

Much of this debate here can turn upside down if only the concept of time and it's properties, as we believe, is changed. Time can very well be a completely different thing, from what we experience it to be....can even be non-existing.

The mental gymnastics on display in this video hurt me

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Can't keep up?

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 LOL, the exact opposite you silly

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@gwills9337 Oh good, I'm glad you get it.

The point with god is: God is love, if you are motivated and driven by love, you are not free, because love binds you to your creation. So from the moment God chose to create us, he knew it will limit his freedom, but he chose to do so never the less. Now he probably has infinite other degrees of freedom, but in this one respect , he is not absolutely free... true story...

Well, said "God" is definitely free of any real evidence that it even exists outside of the imaginations of believers.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

How does that show he doesn't exist in reality? How do you know he hasn't freely chosen to hide himself from people who ask such questions?

@AlexanderShamov

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 Ever heard of Occam'z Razor?

I can do things that God cannot do. For example, I can die, i can lie, I can be naughty, I can be sceptical, I can make mistakes. But there are things that both God and I can do. For example, we can both repent (Genesis 6:6).

If a real God has no limits, then how do the limits of the existing keep him not free. He is free to maintain limits to have us existing.

The "Creator" can avoid all of these apparent contradictions. He can "pretend", on a level, not to be "God". He can live in your soul and experience everything new again. Live life with a fresh new perspective over and over differently each time.

@freeconfederate

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/qYlksrucc9ayZtI.html, This explains a lot. I hope you find it insightful too.@@TheWorldTeacher

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

Oooh ! Hindu theology. I'm not impressed. Religions can't even agree with themselves.

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Did I touch a nerve ?? Oh that's right you think yours is special somehow. That it's not just a variation on an older theology.

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Presumptuos ? You must know that can go both ways. Slave !!! I'm not presumptuos enough to maintain I know what is going on. But it seems we are not even a minor player in the game. So I consider worshipping any god is presumptuos.

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Hahahaha ! Thanks for the big belly laugh. 😂 Arrogant Westerner ? Master ? What century are you stuck in ??

'God knows them all'' how does HE know what god knows ,(where does he get his info?)or that he even exists

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

frank whelan your question is incoherent. It’s like asking: how does God know what he knows by virtue of his knowledge...Does God know other incoherencies? Does he know what a married-bachelor is?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher This is pure gibberish. God doesn't exist because he's a person? How does any of this invalidate the ontological status of his being? You also didn't state what kind of evidence one would need to have to know he does exist, or if one could even trust that evidence should they obtain it.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Please provide reasons or evidence that your “extraordinarily lucid and accurate concepts” are true and to be believed by others than yourself.

@paxdriver

4 жыл бұрын

That was driving me mental too this whole episode lol! They all claim to know things they can't know relatively to that which is everything

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher Sure, no problem. Are you going to answer my question?

I'm with Hugh on this one.

Not being able to limit yourself is not a limitation.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

That you have freedom of faith is the difference between a person; The human being is an animal

7:08 Almeida wasn't able to distinguish between knowing the possibilities and choosing freely.

Or perhaps our idea of what freewill is, is hampered by our temporal limitations. What if everything we experience already is and we are expecting it in a way limited by our perception of time? This would mean that God has already chosen and we are experiencing a back loop so to speak. So God's choice is, and then we get to choose how we experience it after. Think of it as "freewill with training wheels".

Thanks very much for this topic, it's very interesting yet extremely complicated... Neverthless,we'll keep doubting the God existence and searching for a meaning for its existence

I believe God is olly olly oxen free.

if God actively willed something to happen his foreknowledge of it occurring does not constrain him to do it because as I said God is one!! God is pure act!! If God does it it’s because God willed it!!!! No constraints there!!!???? You only have constraint in there are conflicting motives or dynamics in you!!??

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

God is act? What is that even supposed to mean? Which God are you talking about? Does it matter? We can't do anything with that; as a result, it's an unproductive discussion.

God is absolutely free. There is no one higher nor as powerful as God. God limits himself. Somethings God is limited by, that are not due to him are his not being able to lie or die.

From the book TALK TALK TALK By Jay Ingram … first published 1992 … an investigation into the mystery of speech … Even the believers admit it’s a tricky business, because if you are trying to re-create proto-World, your starting materials are languages which themselves have been reconstructed. There’s no firm ground to stand on, and you are reduced to comparing lists of words you think were part of languages thousands of years old in order to uncover the even more ancient ancestors of those words: and none of the words on the lists you’re starting with are written anywhere, even in the oldest available stone tablets.

i think it's only possible to reconcile God's foreknowledge and God's free will by considering time as a property, a dimension that only exist in our world and experience but doesn't apply to God which are not confined by it and doesn't have the same experience as we do Past, Present,Future..

ecellent material

The earth is a conductor of acoustic resonance.

If this God fellow can only do things that are "possible" then where does the set of possible things come from?

I wish there were some actual debate here in the comments.

Human can only understand very small part of God. I don’t think we r able to contemplate it even God showing it all the time. We living in time we can’t even imagine what’s outside timeline.

It's incoherent to suggest God is restrained by possibilities other than his will because his will is the ultimate freedom. the only alternative possibilities were those which were given to us, and we saw how that went after adam and eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The problem with arguing with God is that he is ultimately the source of our reasoning.

The core question to be asked would be "Is there a God's time? or Is God constrained by the flow of time? And is time only a constraint for our universe, and time constrained creatures are asking the wrong questions?

@kalosvoss5573

4 жыл бұрын

​@@StuMas My guy, getting high doesn't make you an expert on cosmological physics

@ferdinandkraft857

4 жыл бұрын

@@StuMas another Dunning-Kruger case...

@dankuchar6821

4 жыл бұрын

That's one of the main themes of the movie Interstellar. Humans evolved to be 5 dimensional, and they lived beyond linear time.

@Melih_R_Calikoglu

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Kuchar That’s right. They became ağır like since not only they became timeless, but they also could manipulate matter across the universe. Still only make dust fall in a certain manner

TITUS 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour.

One more question: how come God would create us to suffer so much in this world?

@MrKoolCash

2 жыл бұрын

Its a test...... 😂

Well there is one thing He could but won't do. Loving him has to come from you. If He was to force you, it would defeat the purpose so that is one thing he can't do. That love has to come from you. This logic follows that God will not look into your future though He could. So, He is not bound. You get the chance to be you. He doesn't try to harm you but by giving free will You choose every action without his interventions. After all, It is the deal we have with Him. Also, there is a perspective point to look at. You might give a spanking to your child but someone else will see physical abuse while the child only see his dad showing him the boundary because He knows His dad loves him. Perspective but with a lack of good knowledge or information is not enough to make a sound statement. .

Of there are No possibilities then there is no result or outcome.

Food for Thought 👍👍 But, questions can never end... a) If You find the most/last fundamental particle... the very next question will be..."From where this last fundamental particle came?" b) If You find God... the very next question will be..."From where God came?" c) If You say this last fundamental particle/God existed always.... the next questions will be... "Who/Which rule decided that the God is to be good/powerful/one etc. (Why not many Gods/less powerful God/evil God)" "Which rule decided that the last fundamental particle will have these properties only, which it will possess...why not some different properties?" "How can an immaterial God make something material? What is the process behind this conversion?" What is the energy source of an immaterial thing by which it can sustain? etc. etc. Therefore in spirituality/Yoga they say that we should focus on achieving Supreme Happiness (Happiness/Bliss that never goes away). Even if we find everything in the universe, ultimately we will achieve satisfaction/happiness. So, they say don't give much importance to knowledge (because questions can never end)...but give importance to the path which leads you to a state of default/supreme happiness, which once achieved never ever goes away.. God is nothing but this state. Once we achieve this state, they say, we are no different from God...then, we become God.

Look up Sarvapriyananda on KZread. Advaita Vedanta (Hindu philosophy) at its best. God = pure consciousness in Hinduism and this man is right, all this creation is spontaneous indeed. Nisargadatta Maharaj would agree.. check his book I Am That

Of course God is there. Just ain't what we think It is.

Theologians = "philosophers" starting with an unverified conclusion and trying their best to rationalize that conclusion with the world they experience.

@vinniehuish3987

3 жыл бұрын

Which is literally no different than a mathematician. Would you argue the validity of mathematics? Both abstract language and mathematics are languages.

@paxdriver

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it has more to do with philosophizing about experience and qualia than confirmation bias. Some people do think deeply about religion, you know.

@toxendon

2 жыл бұрын

​@@paxdriver I think we can agree that topics in theological discourse goes A BIT BEYOND simply discussing personal experience.

@paxdriver

2 жыл бұрын

@@toxendon not beyond, just broader than most. Religion is only experienced by the individual fundamentally. But groups are formed by many individual's religious experience and those groups are powerful and vulnerable. Holistic approach is probably most meaningful, I think.

I think I get Hugh McCann's take, that there are not possible-world options that God chooses from, and by which therefore He is constrained. Man's creativity is contingent. He cannot be truly original. Artists try, but alas, their works are always derivative. They cannot escape it. But God ("if there is a God" 🙂) is original. There is no similar copy available - no option - to what he creates, because it is original. However, even though his creation is absolutely original, it is hard to imagine that, once it is brought into being, it could be such that derivatives of that creation could not be imagined. The derivatives (other possible worlds) then would be after the fact; they would unfold from the original -- derivative "creations" of our mind's -- and therefore not be options by which God is constrained.

“My Dinner with Andre” gone bad

The new gods. Just like the old gods. A reflection of social anxiety.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

How so?

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 When life is bad religion rises. When things are better religion declines. All religions have the same goals. Control and wealth. The more followers they have. The more power they control. The more wealth they can control.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasridley8675 Okay, how does the impact that a religion has on a society make it's teachings false?

@thomasridley8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 That doesn't, but the history of religion does. Why do people act like theirs is the only God that has ever excited ? That one God has anymore credibility then any of others we have followed ? That their gods power seems directly proportional to the number of followers ? That church is nothing but performance art.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasridley8675 I'm not sure I follow. How does the history of religion show that God does not exist? Moreover, I don't see how people's behavior or what they think or what church they attend somehow invalidates God or proves he doesn't exist...

My thought is we are keeping ourselves out of the discussion. God as described by Abrahamic religions is all knowing and all powerful. And seeing how He is those, he isnt all experienced of anything. That to me is where we come in to experience for Him. The saying we are one with God is to say we are God. If he is to experience all His power and all He knows, I beleive we are that mechanism. Created in His image so to speak, we are the ones that dont know and have little power here. If we knew we were God in His infinity there would be no experience, just knowing. Whether we say God or the universe created us, we can still have that congruence with both or either. Every action has an opposite and equal reaction, therefore it makes sense to me that we are the dichotomy that must exist in order for life to experience for God.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

We're all distinct persons. How can we all be God and not know it?

@robertjkuklajr3175

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 well, again, and this is just my thoughts. If you know you are all powerful you know you can do anything with that knowledge. Think about the most wonderful experience you ever had. Now, if you could experience those feelings of the first time doing or experiencing something, you would have to forget everything that led up to it. Not having experienced anything, knowing with no doubt you could 100% do it, would be boring. If you create creatures, human, animal, alien etc., that are connected directly to you that dont have a clue about anything and are intelligent and curious, you have a way to experience every thing you know. And not just know it. It goes on for infinity.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertjkuklajr3175 Okay, no problem. Why does God as a maximally great being, need to experience something in order to know it? Moreover, how,if God contains within himself maximal love, joy, peace, happiness, etc. would he ever be bored? He had no obligation to creating anything, let alone something that's apart from himself.

@robertjkuklajr3175

4 жыл бұрын

I would think, again my thoughts, if you have all of those attributes, wouldnt you want to share them? Here we are. I beleive ultimately we are God. Not the entirety of Him, Her, It but one of an infinity of infinities to share the Love.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertjkuklajr3175 I agree, to be truly loving would entail sharing that love with another and vice-versa. So, if WE are ultimately God, then God remains loving himself? How does that work?

Someone give this man Robert Kunh, the Bhagavad Gita, and he will find all his answers !

@thegreath.sapiensapien6907

4 жыл бұрын

Why god is hiding in the UNIVERSE

@aviraljanveja5155

4 жыл бұрын

@@thegreath.sapiensapien6907 If God is the all encompassing energy, that forms this very existence. Then your question answers itself.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Answer to what? How do you know the Bhagavad Gita is true in what it says?

@aviraljanveja5155

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 Because I am a scientist and from scientific point of view, the ancient wisdom presented in the Bhagavad Gita matches exactly. With due respect, the abrahamic supernatural God makes no sense. Not scientifically, and not when you analyse it through formal logic. That is why 1. Oppenheimer invoked the Bhagavad Gita upon watching the first ever atomic bomb test. 2. The large hadron collider in Geneva Switzerland, has a dancing shiva statue constructed in its campus. I did not choose to be born in this culture, and much later I found the eternal truths expounded in the Indian culture long back, and as a scientist / mathematician, I was surprised myself. Pleasantly.

God has infinite freedom - it is consciousness that is free to dream anything it wants to. There is no limit to that freedom, all possible universes occur in the mind of God, and are sustained by God's consciousness. God is simple - pure consciousness, or "I AM" awareness - without content. This pure consciousness dreams (for lack of a better word) all realities. The thing consciousness does is dream - it can do no other. It then takes up points of awareness in those dreams as apparently separate conscious entities. That's what you and I and every other being are - fractal points of awareness in God's dream of creation. Issue of free will go by the wayside - all that exists is 'God' taking on forms. God is free to take on whatever form he desires, and control that form in whatever method he wants - including letting those forms think of themselves as physical, living in a physical world, with no God around to be found. That is the total freedom of God. The dreamer 'side' of God knows all, sustains all, is all. The dream 'side' plays out the infinite stories as a creative act.

@brentonbrenton9964

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 Not at all. Yes, that is (often) how people view / teach about God - believe or damnation - but that is a simplistic view. If you want to know God, start doing what God does - Love his creation. The whole point of this life on earth is to learn to do that better, thereby bringing a bit more heaven to earth. You don't have to do this if you don't want to - your choice - but it is the path of a meaningful life. Belief isn't required... as it is written "by their fruits you shall know them".

@brentonbrenton9964

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 A lot of that depends on how you view the word 'belief'. For example, I need to 'believe' I can stand up from this chair if i am going to attempt to do so in the near future. Without belief, there is no attempt. The same thing goes for exercising the fruits of the spirit - we need to believe we are capable of being better than that which we are - or else we don't try. Jesus, in that sense, acts as 'that which calls us to be better versions of ourselves'... so you do need to 'believe' you can live a more holy life (more loving towards the rest of creation) in order for you to try to do so. That said, at the end of the day it is by Grace we have been saved, and the Bible makes it quite clear that the entire process from belief to 'salvation' is 100% God's doing. It is also clear that God intentionally makes some humans as 'vessels of honor' and some as 'vessels of dishonor' - in other words, the very capacity to believe is given to you - not something you can will on your own. This apparent conflict between God's relationship to our eventual salvation (author and finisher) and our own (the one believing / working it out with fear and trembling) can only be resolved with the view of humans as 'forms of' the divine - similar to the claim of Christ. After all, we are 'co-heirs' with Christ, and Christ inherits God's divinity. That said, even unbelief is a part of this process. Usually unbelief follows a belief that is an incorrect view of God, and God indeed takes us through journeys of unbelief as a part of our salvation. Whatever direction your particular story takes, it is God who is directing it. John 3:16 is one of those verses that appears so simple, yet is easily misunderstood without appropriately nesting it in a wider context of the rest of scripture. Poor interpretations lead to tribalism - believe like I do or you're not on my team. That's the snare - how many people have failed to love their neighbors (disobeying the Greatest commandment) by falling into that particular trap? Rather than actually loving people where they are at, we just try to get them to ascent to this 'belief'. Great, we got that box checked - everything is good now, and my job here is done.

@brentonbrenton9964

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 Yes, let me use an analogy of our own dreams. When you dream, your sleeping consciousness is (in effect) 'God' in the dream. It creates the world and everything / everyone in it. Christ is like a lucid dreamer - aware that he is BOTH the dreamer (God) and in the dream (human). That is the unity of the God-man. Christ fully realized this when he wandered off into the desert to be 'tempted by the devil' and had a mystical experience - that is an experience where you 'awaken' to this nature of reality. Near Death experiences, psychedelics, drowning (aka baptism), etc. - all are similar in that they point to this ultimate nature of reality. Once you have that and realize you are everything, being promised the 'kingdom of this world' is nothing compared to 'the universe itself'... it is like being content with a grain of sand while knowing you are the beach. The thing is, we are ALSO 'made in the image of God'. The bible is very clear that God is the 'ground of all being' - which includes Christ's being and our own. There isn't a 2nd 'ground of being' that separates us as humans from God - in the exact same way that there is no separation between 'the contents of your dream' and 'your sleeping consciousness'. The one generates / sustains / is the ground of being / imagines all the various roles for the other. When you dream, it is an overnight act of creation / incarnation... and it is in the image of God and his creation / incarnation. The thing is, the incarnation isn't limited to just Christ - it is ALL the characters. Christ is just a vessel of highest honor... you and me vessels for a bit less honor (I doubt anyone will be talking about us 2000 years from now)... and it is God playing ALL the roles and having ALL the experiences. By the way, if you see it - I just explained the Omnipotence / Omnipresence / Omniscience of God. Same relationship your sleeping consciousness has with your dreams - there is no 'place' you are not. There is nothing 'unknown' by you (since your consciousness generates it all, definitionally it must be so). There is no power other than your sleeping consciousness either. God knows all because God experiences all.

Of course It is not free...nothing is free...nothing

Consciousness freely permeates reality, in consciousness God could be completely free. Wonder if freedom is at the core of God or another divine attribute which because of its higher priority might make God seem not free.

Does God have Free Will?

God did not have to create anything!! The multiverse itself came into being from God!! This makes it look like God is constrained by the mandates of the many worlds or multiverse!!?? God did not need to create the multiverse!! Before anything came to be there was God!!! And so God is pure act!! So, there are no conflicting dynamics in God!!! God IS one!! You are making God in our image!! Humans are not one!! We have conflicting decisions, desires, personas, this is NOT so with God!! God is one!! There can be no conflicts in his being!!!! Besides if God is not free, then that is a contradiction in terms!! Because by definition, God is above all!!! Nothing!! Absolutely nothing constrains God!! God does not constrain himself because God is one!! Internally and externally!!!!!!!

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

We still don't know if there is a multiverse, so no need to mention that. God is all that you describe, sure. The problem is that once it's applied to the God of the bible, koran, etc., there are contradictions about its God. As a result, those books lose all credibility.

How is this content supported? Anybody know?

I've never heard of God. Who is he? Where does he live? Whats his phone number? Where is he from? I want to know more about this guy, he sounds pretty cool.

God must know all the infinite possibility of your experiences during your existence but let's you decide what you're going to do. What I mean is every choice that you make directs you towards your next choice or possibility. While they are infinite and He knows all possible outcome, you still get to choose. He knows all the possible choices that you can make at any moment but you don't. You have to experience and you are free to do what you want as much as freedom stands where you live. Just like choosing to love Him or not. That is your choice. Not His.

@ycart_tech6726

2 жыл бұрын

If God exists on a level where he can see the multiverses, all the probability sets, overlap like how different landscapes overlap on the surface of the earth... how can He tell which branch is "you"? Are you the guy who went ahead with robbing his local bank and killed a security guard in the process or the guy who got cold feet the night before and eventually decided against it? If anything, God, in the sense that we are conditioned to perceive Him, through the religious concepts we've all been indoctrinated with, should be more actively engaged with the former case... Furthermore... how can He tell us humans apart from each other? How can He tell us apart from every other living thing branching out into the multiverse? Ultimately, how can He tell us apart from anything else in the multiverse?

@KickArs

2 жыл бұрын

@@ycart_tech6726 I would start by saying: if He build it then he must how he did it or he didn't build it or create it if you like. After that, It's all rhetoric. Try this for size: Imagine we are all recording machine. In science, no information is ever lost. All we ever see is exchange of information. All interactions is what it is about and it is also evolving as far as we can tell. So this is a evolving universe and us being alive a living universe i guess which is very young and ??? growing??? maybe. So everything you ever did has been recorded and when you die, you die. The you..... dies forever but what you call yourself YOU goes on back to the source. Most religions say that you have to give yourself totally meaning You lose you otherwise you are not giving. That's a very slow morning here in Quebec so don't mind me. Brain is still cold and the coffee is good.

@ycart_tech6726

2 жыл бұрын

@@KickArs Don't take me wrong. I myself am sort of a designer. Give me a PC and the proper software and I can pretty much set up a layout for every print and web design application known to man. I have done lots of those and I got paid for most of them. I still have no clue as to how each individual pixel got laid out on every single screen my work was ever played on or how every single dot ink landed on the paper my work got printed on. I have a pretty vague idea as to how different algorithms cooperate to produce the pixel patterns that all sum up to the particular image I create each time, but I am willing to bet that not even the guys who actually coded these algorithms could recreate the actual identical pattern that showed up on my screen. Simply because the math doesn't work that way, I assume and even if it does they would have to invest A LOT of time and effort to recreate a single pattern manually... I suppose, one would expect God to operate on a much higher level of speed and efficiency than even the most accomplished code crunching monkey the human species has ever produced... we're just talking an "infinitely" efficient computer here, after all. How He could do that, while still retaining His creative spark, that's what I don't get... Which is alright, I guess, since God apparently isn't obliged to make any sense to me or anyone, in particular.

@KickArs

2 жыл бұрын

@@ycart_tech6726 Let's say there is a God for a minute. He creates space and time and everything in it. There must be a way since we are here. He obviously knew how to do it. We don't. For what this universe has to offer, we are as educated as a baby would be. So imagine us, babbling about what the creator could be thinking like and his limitations could be. Whatever his limitations, they are way beyond my understanding but still, there is one thing that i can't logically deny. If love is the thing that goes with "God" then if he makes you love him then He will know it's not from you. So I see that not so much as a limitations but it is definitely a choice that has to come from you. At that point, He can't make you do it because it becomes a lie. If there is a God of course. So, the ball is in your court.... and mine ;)

@ycart_tech6726

2 жыл бұрын

@@KickArs Please, I was trying to argue on a purely logical basis. Love... love is not logical. I mean, logic has it as a creature you always want to be on the Creator's good side, right? What other option do I have, as a creature? Move out and start my own Universe? Renegotiate my contract? Rebel? Just sit down and pout?

If there was another god not just Satan it would explain why life is not totally hell. balanced forces But since it’s easier to be destructive than constructive evil is more probabilistic

@ferdinandkraft857

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 What if God is actually a hoax perpetrated by the Devil?

@gwills9337

4 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 what if God and the Devil are a hoax perpetrated by man, for control and material comforts...........NAH

@ferdinandkraft857

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 how do you know?

@janko6637

4 жыл бұрын

rubiks6 I didn’t mean to bring the bible into this just the idea of there being two gods simultaneously in a stalemate. I just used Satan as a metaphor

I think one of the basic mistakes in Kuhn's quest is in thinking human logic is adequate to understand God. Or actually any being of higher intelligence. Our form of logic is actually very crude when applied to underlying reality. Don't ask me to explain using Aristotelian logic because . . . well you know . . .

@555usher

4 жыл бұрын

That is what i thought. I'm having the feeling that he's on the wrong road if he truly and willingly looking for the truth. He's not thinking out for the box but he's in his own zone feeling comfortable while looking for the truth.

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

Yet all wehave is our logic. And our logic is what has led us to where we are now. Otherwise, humanity would probably be long gone. What else are we expected to do if that's all we have? The description for a God often contradicts itself, so then why even discuss if there is one? It's a waste of time.

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

@@555usher If questioning is not thinking out of the box, then I don't know what is.

@rafeller9057

4 жыл бұрын

@@OscarGT25 well all the other animals and plants on Earth somehow got by without human logic. I think we can know the truth, but it doesn't work out so well when you try to put it in words (a form of logic). Although obviously I enjoy trying. :)

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

@@rafeller9057 Not all of them. 99% of species of animals and plants that ever habited the Earth are extinct. Those that are still alive survived because they adapted to the ever changing environments. Humanity survived because we adapted to the changing environments through our intellect and logic. No other animal adapts like us.

How can God exists? Why is so important for you??? Could God never create the existence??? Well the answer is without existence could God remembered its existence? No, creation of existence to become existent

It's exist through its creation, his hers it's whatever....must experience the Creation ( law of one, illumination, WWG1WGALL) all one, one on all

Humanity thinks the statue of liberty sings "born free to appreciate (love) the beauty around us and follow the dreams our hearts." But greed (vampires) thinks the statue of liberty sings "born free to depreciate (hate), polluted and destroy this paradise planet and follow the nightmares of their egos.

Is god free to improve and become a better god??

How about if we change approach to that question and ask if God is dead, than he is free, but not present in his creation that is our reality. Not really gone for good, just temporary non existent God would explain why he doesn't talk to humans anymore and where did all the demons, ghosts and miracles has gone. People kinda killed Jesus, looks like this was very important event for entire creation and Gog himself, having experienced what all living must go trough or can't get resurrected in a better universe, free from sins of mortality and materialism. This is why i claim humans should create God, because it's such a good idea, but to even think about project like that means we must understand divine and his creation first or we might end by worshiping just another monster. Imagine people could resurrect God, it's not just what would it take, what kind of God is more interesting problem. We might try to build global artificial intelligence, but who can say such super powerful and ever present machine could be manipulated by evil individuals or even decide to destroy humanity, because we're hopeless case. Real God must be everything we imagine to be, he should be personal friend and experience, not just new form of tyranny, no matter how great and justified. This kind of philosophy is a great project, i believe those answers could lead to new theological thought, focusing on a person and less restrictive society, a new kind of global civilization based on individualism, ethics and freedoms. I want God to talk to me, not humanity in general, I want private, intimate relation with divine, not presence of unknown force, evil influences and more constrains. This is a real problem, if God would help us, than our actions could limit or hurt others, but if he can't help us, than what good is it, who need him, it's better to have powerful and rich friends, no matter how brutal and evil they might be. Or we could build an Orwellian God, a corrupt machine that would enslave humanity and run our planet as slaughterhouse for sheep. We need a real God, so he could travel back in past, create universe and everything as has already happened and fulfill his promise of resurrection in the better, future universe.

A lot of these claims seem based on god creating. However, pure nonexistence is impossible, as it would have to not exist to exist and thus can’t actually escape existence. The law of noncontradiction and principle of explosion point to existence always having been. If one wants to say “god is existence” fine, but to assert the necessity of god for anything to exist one must somehow prove a pure absolute nonexistence. I mean, a discussion about truth that uses no empirical data is kinda useless... there’s no helping it tho I guess.

Discover faith in God through scientific methodology in only three stages: Faith precedes discovery phase 1 For example, Thomas adison believed in his hypothesis before experiment 2 faith exist in hypothesis 3 Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

My question is who or what created the creator and if, it, he or she always existed then what were they doing before this "world" was created? I propose that there has always been something and there was never a time before something existed, no beginning and no end. I am certain that I am not the first to propose this but this is my first realization of it. I am not refuting the big bang therory I am just proposing that something existed before it.

If God acts at all times for the best in each situation, then God cannot do otherwise. But, some say God can do otherwise which is to say God is free. So, if God is free and God can do otherwise than act at all times for the best in all situations, then God's freedom to do otherwise is identical to God's inability to do otherwise, holding these first two premises as true. So, talking about God in terms of freedom (the ability to do otherwise) is incoherent.

God is not free, but here is a kicker, he is not free by his own choice. He chose to obide by the same high moral standards, he expects his creation, humans, to obide by. By difference, we can either choose to obide by his moral laws, or create different set of moral values/ laws, and so make us Gods. So there is no absolute freedom, even for god. The only difference is that he chose this. God knew he needed a contract between him and us ( the set of moral laws that he set and he obides by, first of all being the law of love, balanced with justice, power, and so on) , so that we know how to interface with him, and what to expect from him.

I hope it's not like the episode on Star Trek where the god ends up being a computer

The title says this is too stupid to watch. Can Odin be freer than Zeus?

Next episode: who let the dogs out?

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

You are not free to answer this liar.

Nice exercise but why should we assume that God is limited or can even be defined in our terms with our reason. Why do we imagine God must act within time? Hopelessly inadequate yes and not a cop out.

It's really not hard to find logical inconsistencies with God's ability when we personify God - personification which intrinsically generates the limitations we're attributing to God... Look, if you're asking if god is free you have to first assume its possible for confinement. Water doesn't make other water more or less wet. It is everything wet, that's what water is. If you want to understand omnipotence you can't look for things that we can't do and ask if god the person can or can't do them. For a being that constructs logic itself, logic could be changed in unfathomable ways to achieve any ends we can imagine. It's like trying to picture a hypercube then criticizing the impossibility of it because "look! The lines need to intersect!" yeah, 5D in 3.5D space... It's not going to work, it's an illustration to try to imagine it. What ever we see as having to be this or that, or for things 5o be cohérent, relies on the thing that made evolution over billions of years like a sand castle before lunch time. God is not a person, he is not a gender, he didn't make things like we build and put together, god developed laws of nature and gave it a push, for lack of better illustrative analogy. God being omnipotent means our confines of logic and math are established before the universe was even spacious. Think about magnitudes involved here, not just discovering math, creating it, and scales, and energy densities, and the vastness of time compounding every bit of information in the universe. When we admit we can't comprehend we need to actually take into account that our rules of sense don't apply to what established order, time and precedence itself.

@MrKoolCash

2 жыл бұрын

I've never heard of this God guy.. Where did he come from? And how does anyone know anything about him if he created everything and disappeared before anyone existed? Its confusing. Do tell!?!

@paxdriver

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrKoolCash Bible, Qur'an, and stuff describe it a bit, if you're sincerely interested lol

To want this hypothesis to be true,is to yearn to live as an abject slave.

@mustafaelbahi7979

4 жыл бұрын

Discover faith in God through scientific methodology in only three stages: Faith precedes discovery phase 1 For example, Thomas adison believed in his hypothesis before experiment 2 faith exist in hypothesis 3 Faith in God’s hypothesis is justified.

Why is freedom a necessity for a perfect being....🤷‍♂️ if a perfect being will only make mximally perfect choices...the only freedom is between the most perfect and not the most perfect...I feel like its arguing Anselm's perspective...which I hate, but...that's what so many theologians seem to embrace...freedom seems more an attribute of the imperfect...🤷‍♂️

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@dynamicfly9727

4 жыл бұрын

That can be important only to you.

@jackmabel6067

4 жыл бұрын

Many Gold Stars for you in the afterlife!!!

How Can God Not Be Free? Well could he create the universe and have the freedom to counter the formulas that our universe and we are based on? Or can the universe exist out side of that IF NO Then GOD does not have total freedom. 9 / 12 / 108? If you try to create life without these numbers you will not succeed. - Aemilius

This comes across like people who have this deep feeling that a god exists with no good support for it. Rather than admit that people can feel something deeply and still be wrong about it, they desperately try to confabulate a god that they think can coexist with critical thinking.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course, those deep feelings are just pesky and illusory, best just to ignore them.

Some of these persons speak of god in the same way a fan or groupie speaks of their idol with all sorts of imagined quirks and perks. The god they alude to, seems to be the jewish one, which makes it the christian god as well and what these people seem to forget is that there are thousands, hundreds of thousands of gods, an entire civilization of them as it is. Hinduism existed long before jewish people had ever caught the attention of any god. Hinduism can teach the world where these gods came from and what they are all about if you are curious enough to follow the information string from there.

He is not required by His nature To follow your suggestions that He MUST do,.. He Chooses of His own accord TO do what He does. He CHOOSES,...He chooses to be Holy.

@toxendon

4 жыл бұрын

You might as well be assigning random attributes to Sauron.

@randykuhns4515

4 жыл бұрын

@@toxendon Is this opinion you make supposed to make sense? or simply fool the simpler minded into thinking it does?

@toxendon

4 жыл бұрын

@@randykuhns4515 I don't find assigning attributes to an unverified cosmic being to make any more sense than assigning it to a made up figure

@randykuhns4515

4 жыл бұрын

@@toxendon I can see how the perspective from your viewpoint WOULD cause you to conclude such for you are not able to surmise other THAN this, and that's the dilemma,..TO "find" attributes you must earnestly look for them,.. seek,.. but those who scoff normally are also who are vehement about even looking into it to see if there might just be something there that might give them pause, the Bible states "Seek, and you will find" and Faith,. at Gods Will,.. is Bestowed, but those who don't Believe have none so, to THEM,. it appears as you stated,... which is the dilemma,. when someone can't (or won't) see all the complexity and fine-tuning of the universe, even knowing the astronomical impossible odds of the fine-tuning presently known, and cannot (or will not) see, then in my opinion, it becomes obvious something has to be missing for one to think ALL this was by chance, for no reason, from nothing, with nothing to do it with, and NOT to see this, and I've concluded it's what is bestowed to those who DO Seek,.. Faith, you have none as you will not Seek, because of the dilemma, you only scoff louder,... Peace To You,..

@toxendon

4 жыл бұрын

@@randykuhns4515 Yeah it's just that I have searched. I was a Christian for 25 years, doing apologetic courses for 7 years before I realized I could not justify the claim of God's existence, nor theistic moral reasoning or the historicity of core aspects of biblical events which has formed theological teachings for centuries. So trust me, I have tried. Arguments from morality, prophecy, cosmology, teleology, experience, logic, ontology, presuppositionalism... I know all of them and they are all fatally flawed.

it's strange to me people trying to speculate on God like this. What God can do, is God good or bad, Etc. We have no idea. Even in all the Abrahamic religions, God in inconceivable, the actions of God and attributes of God our beyond our comprehension. We don't even understand our own consciousness. We don't understand time. The size of the universe, the depth of reality, the potential number of universes are beyond our capacity to understand. This system can have any word we want to signify it, the name or word doesn't matter, but this anthropomorphizing the infinite and trying to structure it to our ideas seems to me preposterous. God has infinite attributes, works beyond any form of our logic, is us and everything else. This is the only way to conceptualize God that makes any sense to me.

22:56 as if God were dependent on time...preposterous!

I wonder how your beliefs may change if you had a near death experience

@tobiahtoviyahgoodnessof349

4 жыл бұрын

Best to ignore them Don't cast pearl's before swine. World is full of all knowing humans

Source don’t want to play with string puppets, to create real intelligent life with free will there has to be some degree of separation, and with separation you need natural laws that evolve creation after the initial spark given by source, and then here we are trying to plow through the many layers of separation, infinities and paradoxes wondering if there might be a source of creation. Science will never get outside of this maze of separation, the only way to source is through your consciousness.

Too bad you didn't dig into this deeper at 4:14. He says "it's hard to see exactly what about His nature would require Him to create things." (while just moments ago he said that God could NOT have created no world at all, but anyway). This for me is the essential question: why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipresent, unchanging God have to create anything at all KNOWING all along that his creation would be imperfect because of free will (which apparently also is necessary). The wiser choice would have been NOT to create anything at all, thereby preventing all past and future evil. To God, it wouldn't matter because He doesn't depend on His creation. In other words: how can Perfection by satisfied by creating something imperfect? How can Perfection beget imperfection?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Given all of those attributes you listed, God would necessarily be all-loving. Truly he was under no obligation to create us or that he needed us in anyway, but perfect love is not selfish, is unconditional and self-sacrificing. As such, God was willing to exit his state of perfect self-existence in order bring about imperfect beings who he knew would freely choose to love him in return and be with him forever.

@5;02 that kid makes no sense at all

Why anyone listens to the complete idiocy of those peddling magic is an unending source of amazement to me. The author's mental masturbation on behalf of his favourite magic manifesto is a very good example of why those who believe in magic should be ridiculed whenever they sprout nonsense in any public forum. Why not choose to be adult, discard the magical thinking. Articles like this highlight the need to eradicate religion before it eradicates any more of us?

Like The Questions, Why God can't destroy him self, its easy answer only Creations can be destroyed, for me religious person God can't be destroyed because its has no form as we understand from creationism.

The problem with Dr Robert Lawrence kurn is limiting the definition of God from our perspective within time and space.he can't seem to grasp the sense of a very intelligent creator. I am not saying you have to believe but the his limitation of that understanding comes with a bit of bias.

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

But our perspective is all we have. How more objective can we be if we don't question these ideas?

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher This is pure gibberish. God doesn't exist because he's a person? How does any of this invalidate the ontological status of his being? You also didn't state what kind of evidence one would need to have to know he does exist, or if one could even trust that evidence should they obtain it.

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher yup.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheWorldTeacher What evidence do you have for your claim that it's the "most accurate spiritual precepts so far in human history"? why should anyone but you believe that?

Breaking the wave function by an observer (us) can be applied to the Big Bang. God or godlike being observed this universe. Yes.

Isn’t god by definition the one who can make contradictions. Contradictions being that if opposites come together they create a error, a contradiction. You could create a true heaven with that power not just a pleasure well go down every dimension that matters and speak the contradiction of it. example being you could experience meaning in life that is not dependent on suffering , be a narcissist and humble, have polygamy and monogamy. Pleasure with out the pain, emotions without the drama and even feel what it’s like not to be a selfish actor but to bad cause nihilism is king in this world I don’t know of any contradictions that exist in life except maybe existence itself from nothing came something. So the power might be out there somewhere but how are you going to get it.

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

There isn't such a thing as nothing.

@janko6637

4 жыл бұрын

Aleph Lambda My derealization disagrees

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

@@janko6637 Too bad. It's physically impossible to have space with nothing in it because of quantum flactuations.

@555usher

4 жыл бұрын

@@OscarGT25 That's a theory these people just make of stuff just like quantum vacuum to cover up the universe from nothing

@OscarGT25

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubiks6 That's my point, in our reality, there isn't such a thing as nothing. There was never a point in the existence of the universe that there was nothing. There was always something.

Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and the supposed conflicts between Kṛṣṇa qualities resolve in favor of fulfilling Kṛṣṇa's desires.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Howard what are your reasons to believe this to be true?

@PaulHoward108

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 Objectively, Kṛṣṇa's supremacy and the fully competent management of His energies is the conclusion of the Vedas, explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaulHoward108 Okay, how has Kṛṣṇa's revealed himself to the world and how do you know what's written in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is true, objectively?

@PaulHoward108

4 жыл бұрын

@@joetech12 Kṛṣṇa may be most famous as the speaker of Bhagavad-gītā. The tenth canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam describes Kṛṣṇa's activities on Earth in detail. I had a vision of Kṛṣṇa while studying Bhagavad-gītā 25 years ago, which prompted me to study more from the Vedas. Eventually I found the Semantic Interpretation of quantum theory, which is based on the description of reality in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and I find it intellectually compelling. Several pioneers of quantum theory praised the Vedas for helping them comprehend the quantum realm. It indicates matter is symbols of meanings, which provides an explanation for discrete state changes, complimentary state descriptions, observer-dependent experimental outcomes, entanglement, etc. Here is my teacher's website: ashishdalela.com/beginners/

@joetech12

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaulHoward108 Okay, thanks. But I can't see how any of those things would make Kṛṣṇa's existence objectively true, or that he is the actual speaker of the Bhagavad-gītā. How do you know if the claims in the Bhagavad-gītā are true and not symbolic or mythological? In your opinion, what makes Kṛṣṇa worthy of worship?

Can you explore Indian Mysticism? I am sure you will be able to get the logical answers that you are seeking. Try "Sadhguru". Theology and Philosophy have certain walls that they painted themselves into.

I've never seen a god. Where do they live? Let's get some physical proof of their existence.

Adam and eve, by not being obidient to gods law( not to eat from the tree) actually chose to create their own set of rules, or more precisely, they accepted the alternative offered by the satan. That effectively made them "gods" - independent of one true god but now slaves and followers of the alternative system of values offered by the satan. So, since they wanted the independence, god showed respect for their desire to be independent, and he no longer supported them. That meant that they had to carry out responsibilities pertaining to a god. If you wanna be a god, you have to take the responsibility of being a god. Something adam and eve were completely not capable of doing, so evil spread to everywhere...

I tried praying to god for years but he never listened. So now I pray to Satan, he might deceive me but at least he listens!