MY HERO: Robert Lawrence Kuhn, for asking all the tough questions with such composure and wit!!! I am your #1 FAN.

@danburg71

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny…you seem hesitant to make a decision about God. I love that about you! You understand the importance of Truth. What I find humorous is that we each have our biases. No matter what evidence is shown you about God, you remain skeptical (at least that’s how I perceive it). All evidences presented to us has to go through the “worldview” filter. So while you remain skeptical I am more amazed at the created order and how it points to a Creator. Don’t you see Him?! He’s right there, in all your conversations! In all your thoughts! Few people come to God by reasoning. CS Lewis is the only one I know of that claims that he came to Christ using reason alone. For us normal people, it usually happens because of an experience or because a profound conviction-something that science can’t explain. Kind of like Paul’s experience on the road to Damascus. I think “conversion” usually follows a very profound experience be it miraculous or not. I pray God give you your miraculous experience soon. RLK…Thanks for all the great content. God bless you!

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

3 ай бұрын

​@danburg71 was your comment for kuhn?

one of the reasons i am no longer a Christian is becaused i watched Mr Craig's debates online.

@michaela8259

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to see you go. I can recommend Chris Langan

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

He wins most debates lol Of all the reasons to leave

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@MACHO_CHICO Sean carol turned WJC into a little stain of poop

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@MACHO_CHICO He wins debates… but always loses the argument.😂

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

@@ramigilneas9274 Explain how that even makes sense?

Next on Closer to Truth: Is Santa Claus real?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

"many people believe in pixies"

@deanodebo

Жыл бұрын

What do you believe is “real” and how do you justify that belief?

@scooby3133

Жыл бұрын

😂

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@deanodebo Hint: Unverifiable anecdotes and anonymously hearsay rarely help finding out what is "real“ or not.😂

@deanodebo

Жыл бұрын

@@ramigilneas9274 Give an example of what’s real and how you know

The sources which speak of Jesus' resurrection look like legends that develop more fantastic over time. None of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. The only "eyewitness" testimony we have is from a guy who had a vision! Take a look. 1 Cor 15:5-8 reads: "and that he appeared (ώφθη) to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared (ώφθη) to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared (ώφθη) to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared (ώφθη) to me also, as to one untimely born." At least for Paul (who is our only verified firsthand source), his experience was a "revelation" of Jesus (Gal. 1:16). It was not a physical encounter with a revived corpse. Acts 26:19 even describes the experience as a "vision from heaven" which other people present do not see or hear properly. Okay, now just look at 1 Cor 15 again and notice how he uses the same verb ώφθη for every "appearance" in the list. This wording is more expected under the hypothesis that the appearances were the same or similar in nature. So the inference is that these "appearances" weren't physical encounters with a revived corpse like we find in the gospels of Luke and John. Rather, they were spiritual experiences of Jesus from heaven like Paul had and so the skeptic is justified in rejecting the experiences as non-veridical (since claims of visions are not worth taking seriously even if Acts, which is a later narrative dramatization of the encounter, describes extra-mental phenomenona occurring). Any appeal to the later gospels or Acts (which are not firsthand sources) for physical resurrection appearances is a tacit admission that the earliest evidence is insufficient to establish anyone really interacted with or saw the physical body of Jesus. When you appeal to the gospels, it comes at the cost of later legends possibly creeping in, whereas Paul's earlier and firsthand testimony is more likely to preserve what the original Christians actually believed. Moreover, we have good reason to doubt the historicity of the resurrection appearance narratives, especially in Luke and John, due to their obvious apologetic portrayal. For instance, Luke is responding to people who had a more "spiritual" view of the Risen Jesus and refutes it by having Jesus invite the disciples to inspect his "flesh and bone" body - Lk. 24:39. John has the incredible Doubting Thomas story which serves the apologetic purpose of telling his audience if they just "believe without seeing" then they will be blessed. If the explanation given for these stories explains their existence in the narrative equally well but without entailing they actually happened in history, then apologists cannot appeal to the narratives as evidence the story actually occurred.

The immortal veils itself as many mortals so not to be alone. Genesis 2:18

He doesn't sound like an independent researcher but a defender of Christianity. That explains his top position

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

His employer requires he sign a faith statement so…

@samuelstevens9743

Жыл бұрын

You are committing a fallacy by attacking his motive rather than the validity of his claim.

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelstevens9743 Would you trust lung cancer research fully funded by Big Tobacco?

@Rohit-oz1or

Жыл бұрын

@Samuel Stevens He believes in this so strongly as not to require any basis or evidence despite having a scientific background. You can't explain this other than he is propagating his ideas even though he knows that these are false. The motive could only be him being part of religious faith/ organization that is spring him in some way

I'm afraid this conversation led us a few miles further from the Truth.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

This is an incorrect scientific statement for the simple reason that 'miles' relates to 'distance' and 'distance is relative' so one can never be a few miles from the truth; there is only the truth.

@bbouchan1

Жыл бұрын

With you on that one.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann it's a metaphor. for a few hundred years now. way to keep up

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

3 ай бұрын

Op made a silly comment without even trying to engage. ​@@scambammer6102

Another great segment! Craig's immediate reaction when hearing about the "spirit body" part of that one argument was awesome. "Oh..." and then a smile of winnable confidence. :)

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

William Lame Craig

@prime_time_youtube

Жыл бұрын

Great reaction!

@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns

10 ай бұрын

I recommend David Bentley Hart

We don't know the facts but they are still facts. How can anyone take you seriously?

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

Clearly not what he was saying but continue to straw man to confirm your own beliefs

@adams4244

Жыл бұрын

@@MACHO_CHICOyou not only incorrectly identified the argument as a straw man, you ignored his ACTUAL WORDS

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

@@adams4244 As a matter of fact I not only listened closely to his words, but I listened to what he said at the start twice to be sure of it. And yes you completely misidentified what he was conveying whether intentionally or not.

@adams4244

Жыл бұрын

@@MACHO_CHICO words matter. 2:58 - 3:05. How can one have facts without evidence? It presupposes the very thing that is absent, proof. Imagine someone accused you of a crime 5 years ago. The only "evidence" was that someone found a written journal of what you did created years after the event. Is that evidence of your crime? Is it a fact of your crime? Of course not.

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

@@adams4244 My original issue with what you said was that you seemed to be quoting Craig as saying “We don’t know the facts but they are facts”, and that is not what he said. Now as for the example you gave, as a matter of fact the journal written after the fact would indeed be used as evidence in a case against me. Now does it alone make my crime a fact? Of course not, but Craig isn’t claiming the evidence of the gospels prove the fact, but they sure make it more likely. What he says is true, there are historical events that have sketchy evidence but are indeed accepted as facts all the same.

Formula...says it all.

Closer To Truth: please consider interviewing Dr. Dale Allison, Dr. Douglas Farrow or Dr. Merold Westphal for future episodes/topics. Thank you for the hard work that you put into your content.

Some dogs when they have bitten into something will NEVER let go. Even if kicked to death. Some humans once decided to hold onto something will never let go. Even when they bump their heads against reality time and time over again. This world is a very entertaining circus. Keep up the fantastic entertainment Mr Closer to Truth.

@pequod4557

Жыл бұрын

I Adore your analogy.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down I Agree. However. I believe Jesus is Self differentiated so not to be by itself. Hence. Love each other...

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down sure thing any day now

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down they been saying that for 2000 years. it's bs.

Religious mythology transmuted into unfalsifiable historical reality by the faithful.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

A valid point where it not for 1 Corinthians 13:13. 🙏

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann bible is garbage

Craig should stick to explaining the Kalam Arguement and the case for a Creator. The moment he starts explaining Jesus’s resurrection and the spirit and Mark Matthew and Luke thats where he gets incoherent and desperate.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

NAS should stick to commenting on cat videos. The moment he starts commenting on videos about the resurrection he gets incoherent and desperate. See how easy that is?

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

Craig already sounds pretty incoherent and desperate when he tries to defend the Kalam against someone who went to college.😂

These are weak arguments for the suspension/reversal of both entropy and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Given that these events have never been observed anywhere in the observable universe, what's more likely? That pre-scientific men 2,000 years ago were witness to this beyond-extraordinary event, or that it just didn't happen?

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Yes. If it occurred, it broke a law of nature. It was a miracle. If God exists, he can perform miracles. Why does it matter that it happened in a pre-scientific era? Do you think the people back then didn’t know that people generally don’t come back from the dead? What do you mean it hasn’t been observed? Allegedly, there were people who observed it. That’s what this whole issue was about.

@GreenDistantStar

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 no one survives death, it's an ancient myth. If you want to open up the can of worms that is God's supposed omnipotence, fine, you'll have a lot of explaining to do.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@GreenDistantStar First, there could be a God who can perform miracles who is not omnipotent. Second, I’m well aware of the alleged issues of divine omnipotence. They’ve been addressed many times, maybe you aren’t convinced by the rejoinders. But, I can’t say that dissuades me all that much.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@GreenDistantStar Third, put on a shirt.

@GreenDistantStar

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down yes it is. Humans are a recently-arrived species on Earth, a tiny speck of a planet in a solar system that itself is minuscule, one of millions in one galaxy, of which there are trillions. Nothing in that exists forever, fact. The idea that humans live forever is a titanic vanity.

Bible proves Bible. Thanks for that Bill!

I wish Craig had discussed the witness inconsistencies in survivors of the Titanic, of JFK’s assassination, etc

I recommend reading/listening to Gary Habermas. The leading authority on the subject.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

ha ha ha

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

Um. Hmmm. I wouldn’t go that far.

@hextoken

Жыл бұрын

Well said. Gary is amazing. But most here will not do the research because they are scared of where the evidence will lead. Jesus is Risen!

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@hextoken really? Did you get a selfie?

I should show my self in the 11 August. By the way I watch the pope Francis in is jet today. So I have to admit sure it was not him talking to people in Québec but he was truely here Québec. Why he still alive lets see if the scripture apocalypse are still acurate.great way to watch the acuracy of it.

The people in the comment section have no idea how new testament history is done. Craigs view is held by the majority of scholars in new testament studies. This includes secular scholars.

Kind of surprised over his comments on Jesus being raised in a material body. Jesus wasn’t a human before he came to earth. Why would he be one now? Bizarre stuff, but interesting to hear. I believe he’s a spirit, just like God.

I suspect most of our traditional Christian and Catholic (all flavors) religions rest on the resurrection. However it needn’t and, in my opinion, shouldn’t. The Bible text claiming Jesus said, I am the way is all you need. That way Jesus taught was love one another, the Sermon on the Mount, the Good Samaritan, the Roman soldier that said, “I am not worthy for you to enter my house. Say but the word and my child will be healed.” “Love one another as I have loved you.” And of course there are more in reflecting those same examples. That’s all we need to know. The Gospels rejected by our so called orthodox or official/approved religions reveal a very different perception of Jesus and his message. I haven’t read them all but the ones I have are not at all as calcified as accepting the ordained four Gospels, MML&J. Our main traditional religions sweetly repeat Jesus’s above mentioned teachings but, unfortunately, end up putting the emphasis on required doctrine, like the virginity of Mary denying Joseph his right fatherhood, the Trinity and the Resurrection of Jesus. He doesn’t have to be resurrected to be teaching us the right path. In fact, I believe by raising him up to a super human status we give ourselves a Get Out of Jail card. Okay, now we can try to follow him but, heck! He’s the Son of God and we aren’t. As if being the children of God is not actually the same as being the son or daughter of God; well it’s like being adopted or a cousin. No way can you and I be every bit the son and daughter of God…just like Jesus. Thus we can fail, as for forgiveness on Saturday, take communion on Sunday and fail again until next Saturday again. Very convenient and very blind.

"My book of religious stories, written by anonymous people who heard rumors about it, says it happened".

How can you reach closer to truth if you don't have big topics, big conclusions.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Circumnavigation is not my cup of tea either but it helps those who have not yet realize the Truth to get closer to Truth.

When Paul speaks of receiving a different body after resurrection, different than physical body on earth, does that have any relevance for Jesus after resurrection?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

nope

@jrpipik

Жыл бұрын

I think so. He believes if we die with Christ, we will rise with Christ. I don't think it's a stretch to say he believes we will have a body like the risen Christ.

@twitherspoon8954

Жыл бұрын

The only Bible author who claimed to have seen Jesus is Paul who asserted he met him in a vision and described him as being a bright light. Paul actually stated that his sources were non-human, "...the gospel I preached is not of human origin." (Galatians 1:11-12). The Jesus story began in 48 AD with the first of the Pauline Epistles (which comprise nearly half of the New Testament books) when Paul realized the Daniel 9:25 prophesy of a messiah expired without fulfilling so he made one up decades later and set the story decades in the past to make the prophesy seem true. The fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy written in 444 BC was the test of the true messiah. By 48 AD it was known that the prophecy of a messiah coming in "seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" had not occurred on the prophesied date. "Seven weeks and threescore and two weeks" is, 7 plus 60 plus 2 equals 69 total weeks. One prophetic week equals seven biblical years of 360 days (the Julian calendar was created centuries later), so 7 times 69 equals 483 total biblical years beginning with Artaxerxes' decree in 444 BC. Those 483 biblical years equal 173,880 days, or 476 Julian years. Therefore the Messiah would come and be "cut off" in AD 33. One prophetic week equaling seven Biblical years is something “Daniel” invented in about 165 BC, effectively an admission that Jeremiah 25:11-12 failed. Paul made up the entire Jesus story and added historical figures, locations, and events to add authenticity. Paul's goal was to garner support for the insurrection against the Romans which began in 46 AD led by two brothers, Jacob and Simon, in the Judea province. The revolt, mainly in the Galilee, began as sporadic insurgency until it climaxed in 48 AD when it was quickly put down by Roman authorities. Both Simon and Jacob were executed. He created the fiction of having witnessed the risen messiah. He wanted to show that the messiah had come as prophesied but was murdered by the Romans. This was to entice the Gentiles to aid in the Jews' rebellion against the Romans. Instead, he created one of the world's most popular religions that is based on the literal worship of ritual human sacrifice, rape, and cannibalism. The Gospel authors copied, and embellished, Paul's fiction. None of the Gospel authors, or any other writers, were witnesses to the Bible figure known as Jesus.

To me, religion is an important part of philosophy and consists of ideas. Ideas are factual in the sense that they exist and are believed. Good enough for me.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@Jason R bible barf

@keithrelyea7997

Жыл бұрын

Danny you need to work on the defination of terms. Way too sloppy!!

Does William Lane Craig have any idea how history works?

@angelojuat4754

Жыл бұрын

Do you realize you're a layperson who doesn't know what they're talking about?

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@angelojuat4754 Well, Craig has no qualifications whatsoever to evaluate historical data… as demonstrated by the nonsense that he considers to be historical facts.😂

@angelojuat4754

Жыл бұрын

@@ramigilneas9274 You are a layman. You don’t know anything.

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@angelojuat4754 And Craig is just a philosopher… who holds fringe positions that most other philosophers disagree with… and makes silly claims about cosmology, science and history that actual cosmologists, scientists and historians only laugh about.😂 So outside of philosophy Craig is a layman just like me… the only difference is that I rely on the academic consensus of the experts instead of peddling fringe nonsense.

@angelojuat4754

Жыл бұрын

@@ramigilneas9274 Here’s the deal pal. This is your way of validating your views to feel secure about it because you know deep down you’re going to hell if you’re wrong. So shut the hell up.

I enjoyed watching Christopher Hitchens poke holes in every single thing that William Craig confidently said during their “debates”. But since people like Craig have no shame and can’t be embarrassed, he continues to spew this bullshit.

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely insane start to this video. "We have no idea what happened but they are facts" if nobody knows what happens it's not a fact. Unjustified to believe without proof. It's a hypocritical selective application of faith. For fallacious reasons you disbelieve other religions. But the religion you choose to believe is on equal footing to every other fairytale

@djhutcherson6761

Жыл бұрын

@@VintageBassArchive very well said

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@djhutcherson6761 this is a little vague to say, but gnomes and fairies and superpowers are more probable to be real than Christianity because I make less assertions. How could 1,000 claims be more probable than three claims??

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

“The person I already agree with totally won that debate against that person I don’t agree with!”

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 if you are in denial during a debate, does your opponent lose?

A man who defended genocide like Craig should never be given a platform.

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

Except he claimed it was merely overblown and exaggerated He did not try to justify genocide as people often conceive of it today.

1132nd viewer :P GREAT!!

The death and resurrection story is not complete without discussion of the Shroud.

@HuxtableK

4 ай бұрын

The Shroud that was debunked by Catholics?

Jesus own relatives didn't believe his miracles were genuinely supernatural. Mark 3:21, 6:1-4, John 7:5. That negative testimony is earlier than the "creed" of 1st Corinthians 15.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Most excellent.

@barryjones9362

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down "What would convince you that Jesus is the Son of God?" -----------For God to use his telepathy powers to change my heart, the way he allegedly did for other people in Ezra 1:1 and Acts 16:14. Then again, I'm just a spiritually dead unbeliever. Maybe asking "god" to act today consistently with how he allegedly acted in biblical times is asking too much?

@barryjones9362

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down I've already been there, done that. It didn't work. Got any better suggestions?

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down They are one and the same in reality...

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@Artem Down Dear Artem. Words are many but The Word is One.

Lets see...lack of evidence equals facts. Ok. Got it!

@MarkWCorbett1

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the same video I watched???

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

So, you're telling us that you don't know the difference between the two.

@aaronaragon7838

Жыл бұрын

Huh? Ok. You believe in alternative facts. Got it.

@aaronaragon7838

Жыл бұрын

Shush, Trumpo. RFK Jr is not alive. Right?

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Christianity is the evidence. Where are the Roman & Greek gods from 30 AD when the mighty Roman empire ruled that region? Where is Hadiran's greek god when he completely destroyed Judea, expelled the Jews from the land and renamed it .... Palestine.? The greatest & most influential religion in all of History ..... is Christianity ... which began in 30 AD when a Jew called Yeshual was executed by the Romans. There are 15 million Jews at most today with most not believing in a God and the religious claim Jesus is a false Messiah and a greek & roman god lol. Meanwhile the God of the Jews ... curses the Jews for something they did 2000 years ago ... and blesses a religion that comes from the Jews that professes Jesus as the promised Messiah & the Son of God. Hadrian's Palestinians still exist today ... but they follow the moon & sun gods of satanic cult of Islam which copied & corrupted Jewish & Christians teachings. Christianity is the proof. No Jesus ... and the world is completely screwed.

This brings me back to 2005.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

BCE

I must admit, I didn't watch this and feel pretty good about saving 11 minutes and 51 seconds of my time.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

that was the winning move here

Not too fond of William. He will help you get further from the truth though.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if anyone has ever thought of that joke on this page.

It's simple. No Yahweh, No Jesus. WLC has been at this for decades and not once has he tried to actually demonstrate the existence of a god in reality. Yahweh only exists as an imaginary character.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

if it was possible to prove the existence of god somebody way smarter than WJC would have done it millennia ago

@scooby3133

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 exactly and to this day WLC is still trying to offer evidence. That shows even he understands his god character, Yahweh, has not been demonstrated nor proven yet to exist in reality. Only in the imagination along with every other god character.

Straight off the bat, Silly Lane Craig's first strand of 'powerful evidence' for the claims of a book is... something he read in that book. Does it get any more pathetic than this?

Are they any documents at the time of Jesus that he didn't come back to life? No. You know why? Over 3000 say him alive.

Although I cannot directly prove that Unicorns exist since it is also not possible to prove Bigfoot's existence so therefore Unicorns must exist!!!!

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Do you think this is a relevant parallel to anything said in the video?

@sentientflower7891

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 resurrections are like unicorns whereas God is like bigfoot.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@sentientflower7891 How so?

@sentientflower7891

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 resurrection is biologically impossible and the resurrection accounts are a mess of mutually exclusive contradictory nonsense.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@sentientflower7891 1. Yes, that’s what a miracle is. If there is a creator of nature, that creator could break the laws of nature. 2. Can you point to any alleged contradictions in the Gospels that Craig hasn’t addressed in his work?

Verified historical facts never, ever include "magic." When a leader or ruler has magical tales formed around them about healing, magical battle prowess, meetings with supernatural figures etc historians dismiss them for what they are: False propaganda meant to engrandize the individual. But take the magic away from jesus and he's nothing. Less than nothing in fact because he's only a literary figure to hang magical events on.

WLC is very knowledgeable.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

He certainly knows a lot of bad arguments to justify his unwarranted beliefs

@prime_time_youtube

Жыл бұрын

@@pmtoner9852 Are you talking about yourself? Is that your new preface?

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

@@prime_time_youtube the third grade " I know you are but what am I" rhetoric you are employing perfectly exemplifies the level of discourse theist have to engage in to justify their unfounded, ill considered, and illogical belefs

@oscargr_

Жыл бұрын

All that means is that you agree with him. It's otherwise a meaningless statement, just like "WLC is a poophead".

@prime_time_youtube

Жыл бұрын

@@oscargr_ Hahahaha, you are just an ignorant. Either you agree with him or not you cannot deny that he is an eminence in academia. Though it is OBVIOUS, you can easily verify that he was ranked by Academic Influence as the #10th most influential Philosopher and the #3rd most influential theologian in the world. Also his h-index always been on top of academia. You are not the #10th or 3rd of your field. The real poophead is... you! LOL!

There are more manuscripts of the NT than any other book of an antiquity. If you don't believe in the veracity of the NT. Then forget every other writing...OT Homer's odyssey...

Our Messiah's name is Yehoshua Ben-Yosef. The name 'Jesus' is a late creation of English-speakers invented in the late 17th century. This is around the same time the letter 'J' was invented (Also, the name 'Jesus' was not in the first several printed 'bibles.' Furthermore, the first printed version of the ‘Bible’ was KIV, not KJV.).There is no 'J' sound in Hebrew, Latin, or Greek. The English created this name from the Greeks-due to the English language being a combination of the Greek & Latin languages-who substituted the transliterated name of Yehoshua for IESOUS (or the Latin substituted name 'Iesus'). It is known that the Greek name endings 'sus', 'seus', and 'sous' were attached by the Greeks to names and geographic areas to give honor to their supreme deity, 'Zeus'. For example, the city of Tarsus means 'sweat of Zeus'. Furthermore our Creator's name is not 'God'. This is an invention by the Germans. The Germans used this title for their supreme deity Odin. In SH'MOT (Exodus) 6:3, Our Creator gave the Jews(or Yehudis) His Name: Yud-Heh-Waw-Heh (or Yahweh, some say Yah).

Even if we have a time machine and we go back to jesus era , doesn’t mean the guy was a sup , we have ppl in modern days even now claiming the same supernatural capabilities like him , will you just go and worship them? Of corse no

@FrJohnBrownSJ

Жыл бұрын

If they are tortured and killed, then fulfill there own promise to rise from the dead, I'd conclude they were something pretty special.

@samnavona

Жыл бұрын

@@FrJohnBrownSJ my point is it didn’t happen cose we still have ppl claim the same miracles now ,your statement have a big “IF” that mean is a belief = opinion, facts = truth, there’s couples of gurus in India they clamming the same metaphysical capabilities they have millions of followers.

@FrJohnBrownSJ

Жыл бұрын

@@samnavona Jesus didn't find many people to worship Him based on his claims before His death. But after His death on the cross, SOMETHING seems to have happened to get people to believe in His divinity. I'm not a historian, but it seems to me that there are unique elements to the beginning if Christianity when compared to the beginning of other religions. Christ's peace to you.

@samnavona

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@@FrJohnBrownSJ this is what your religious doctrine tells you not based on any material history , there’s more than 4k organize religion that claim there is a special thing about them . let presume jesus is a historical figure , lived in the “ romana pax “ era ,even if he taught to start a militia he will be crushed by the Roman Empire, christianity had the same organic cycle like any other major religion,if the roman didn’t adapted Christianity later “ socio economic” motives, the ideology will not prosper.

@TankUni

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@@FrJohnBrownSJ What happened was Paul. He did the early heavy lifting that allowed a small and unimportant Jewish sect to be adapted such that it could start spreading amongst gentiles. The SOMETHING you allude to is that this religion had the luck of having a huge cosmopolitan population available in the form of the Roman Empire, and that it was an exclusive religion, whereas Roman religion was mostly polytheistic. With enough converts, there began a centuries long process of developing church dogma and deciding the canonical texts.

The evidence for a fact has no bearing on whether it’s actually a fact? Here’s where you not only lose me, but demonstrate your duplicity. If you have to predicate that even if your evidence for a fact is no good (but it’s really great evidence) it doesn’t change the facts as you state them. This demonstrates a conscious effort, not to persuade, but to deceive. If your argument requires deception, then I know a priori that you are a liar and con man. After that, everything you say is worthless.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think you understand the point he’s making.

@kencusick6311

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 then explain it to me.

@bbouchan1

Жыл бұрын

There's no doubt about William Lane Craig's intellect but he is deluded.

@kencusick6311

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@@bbouchan1 He wants it both ways. He wants to claim he’s using proper scientific methodology to prove his position. while at the same time stating, if it turns out I can’t prove it, what I’m claiming is still a fact. At its core, that’s dishonest and a deliberate attempt at deception.

@vladimirtarabay2416

Жыл бұрын

“The evidence for a fact has no bearing on whether it’s actually a fact”. Of course this statement is correct, it’s just an affirmation of objective truth. For instance the Big Bang or evolution was true before we had any evidence for these theories.

"Ressurection" is to religion what the Flat Earth Theory is to science.

It’s Craig…… Nooooooooooooooooo…….

His explanation of Paul's comments in 1 Corinthians 15 are highly dubious. Perhaps he needs to read N.T. Wright on this issue, although there are any number of highly qualified biblical scholars to whom one could refer.

The best evidence of the resurrection of Jesus is that they never found His body. If you think about it, the Romans should have been able to guard His tomb for three days which they did and they failed to keep Him buried.

@Carolinejoyamico

Жыл бұрын

YES!

@Carolinejoyamico

Жыл бұрын

And the enemies (Romans and Pharisees) didn’t offer a lie that the body still was there. They freely ADMITTED that it was gone! Didn’t even think twice. Because the body WAS GONE.

@tommyc3195

Жыл бұрын

@@Carolinejoyamico hahahaha

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

There have been a lot of plundered tombs in history. I guess by your logic, resurrection is commonplace, perhaps so much so that it is not even miraculous. Is grave-robbing less plausible than the spontaneous/simultaneous reverse-entropy of 30 trillion specific human cells? Hmm.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

That's what the story book says, fortunately for people that actually want evidence there is no evidence that Jesus lived let alone died and was resurrected

The interviewer doing a creative writing class? Why would his disciples martyr themselves if the resurrection didn't happen ? Disbelieve it's fine but don't get in the way of others trying to come closer to God via JESUS.

Twelve minutes of absolute garbage. I think we are all a little dumber for having listened to it.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

18 words of garbage. I think we are all a little dumber for having read it. See how easy that is?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 you just copied preston, which makes you pathetic

This interview barely scratched the surface.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

ew

@keithrelyea7997

Жыл бұрын

Ya and the longer Bill goes on the weirder he gets.

I have three invisible undetectible elves living under my stairwell.

@davestr7031

Жыл бұрын

Under your stairs? You really can’t call that living.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Do those elves know they live in a troll’s house?

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

I believe you.

So... Just make crap up instead of exploring the obvious - the non-existence of any empirical evidence relating to Jesus or the Resurrection. The God of the Gaps appears frequently throughout this video. I can understand wanting to explore the nature of existence but within the realms of what can be proven scientifically using the scientific method otherwise it's just philosophy. IMO.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for weighing in, Hunter!

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Numbnut. Provide your evidence that nature & natural processes can make & operate the simplest abstract or physical Function? A machine is a physical Function made only by an intelligence. A Function is a system that PROCESSES inputs into outputs abd has a purpose, structure, form, properties which are all INFORMATION. Nature & natural processes can never make or operate the simplest machine( made by Man). You know this for a fact. But do you know that the three types of Machines are mechanical, electrical & molecular ( LIFE )? C'mon. Put up your evidence not your "god of gaps" BS for Abiogenesis & Evolution. Fully defined Function, Intelligence & Mind Categories & causal links ... prove the Universe & Life were made by an intelligence. For crying out loud ... the Universe, Sun, Earth Atmosphere, Life and machine ... are thermodynamic Systems with increasing entropy. All thermodynamic systems are FUNCTIONS and originate from the surrounding system(s) which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & laws of nature which are all abstract or physical Functions. lol.

@STR82DVD

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 You're welcome.

@MACHO_CHICO

Жыл бұрын

@@STR82DVD It sounds as though you have a low regard for philosophy. Is that not the majority of content on this channel?

@STR82DVD

Жыл бұрын

@@MACHO_CHICO How so? Because I classify a belief in a god philosophy?

Even though I’m pretty sure there’s an afterlife just by talking to people who’ve had near death experiences; I can’t believe that neither the resurrection or any biblical miracles were true , because they would’ve been part of secular history. If Lincoln got shot in the head then came back to life three days later, I don’t think it would be known to just a couple of his closest friends. Also I think a God who resurrected back to life would be smart enough to leave definite evidence of that event, and not expect people just to take another person’s word for it

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

Many Jewish people outside of the elite knew of the miracles, and thousands saw Jesus after his resurrection. Why would you think that Jesus would wander into the Roman area and declare, "I'mmmmmm baaaaaack!"?

@MrSanford65

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmorgan7632 Well why would he come back at all in that case , just to hang around a few friends and go back. If I were God and I came back to life I wouldn’t just say to a few people, tell everybody I was resurrected. I’m pretty sure they’ll take your word for it. Now with that being said, If you ever listen to new death experiences, people all around the world from many religions such as Islam and Judaism all say they saw Jesus Christ when they went to the other side. All I can say is that perhaps there’s multi universes where he did come back

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSanford65 I would guess that there's our universe, then there is outside our universe. In our universe are particles that make up everything, and outside is more like thought. The two are connected by our soul. That's about all we could be expected to know.

@djhutcherson6761

Жыл бұрын

Very well said Donza.

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmorgan7632 did you just make a South Park reference? Kyle's Jewish cousin is not Jesus. "I'm back" 🤓

I have no idea why believers keep looking for evidence to support their faith...Faith, by definition, is not knowledge:)

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

I have faith in my family. I also know that they will be there for me if I need it. Those things aren’t exclusive.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

A valid point where it not for 1 Corinthians 13:13. 🙏

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 equivocation fallacy on the definition of faith. try more persuasive bs

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 Just shouting out an informal fallacy isn’t an argument. Plenty have argued that the type of faith that religion (in general and Christianity in particular) calls for is a personal faith in God. The same type of faith one might have in a family member. That type of faith is not incompatible with knowledge. Again, if you have an argument (that isn’t essentially just an accusation), I’d be open to hearing it.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 faith is believing in something without evidence. That's in YOUR fg holy book Einstein. It isn't about your family. If you don't understand what an equivocation fallacy is just say so.

Spiritual body is physical body used for spiritual purposes? Spirit of God works in the physical body and blood? Physical body and blood spiritually work towards a divine end?

WLC: we have no evidence for the resurrection, but it’s a fact. SMH So we can say the same thing about unicorns and elves 😅

@michaela8259

Жыл бұрын

If much of recorded history is fact simply based on sufficiently interconnecting testimonial accounts, then we must view Biblical events the same way - or at least be able to discuss them honestly. In any case the necessary foundation for belief is metaphysical. Science connecting with philosophy are where the main arguments are, for theism as well as atheism - and the latter clearly also has dogmas, so in that respect it's very equal, the only difference being that theism argues for answers in a higher consciousness that we can't know as individual parts of that consciousness.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

You are right; there is no such thing as a resurrection, there is only the eternal life.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann tell that to your mortician

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 The immortal veils itself as many mortals so not to be alone. Genesis 2:18

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann that's why unicorns are invisible too

Resurrection basically means that that which is always is. However; we are only scratching the surface here. The ultimate knowledge is knowing the purpose of life is love.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

"Resurrection basically means that that which is always is." lol no that's not what it means.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 Waves are many but ocean is one. 😃

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@waldwassermann imbecilic blather. fyi there are 5 oceans, defined as such by humans

Yeah, and the new testament was written by historians. Right 👍 Got it

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

It was written by eye witnesses and those who interviewed the eyewitnesses.

@mobiustrip1400

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmorgan7632 Right 👍 got it!

@deanodebo

Жыл бұрын

@@mobiustrip1400 Who do you believe and why?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldmorgan7632 wait...which was it, the witnesses or the interviewers, and how do you know?

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Tacitus & Josephus were Roman Historians who confirmed a new religion from the Jews .... of a Man god that was suppose to have been resurrected after being executed. Where are the Greek & Roman gods from 30 & 70 AD today and Hadrian's Greek God when he completely destroyed the Jewish State, expelled the Jews from their land and rename it Palestine? The greatest & most influential religion in all of History ... is Christianity which began in 30 AD when a Jew called Yeshua was crucified by the Romans .... for doing what exactly? Scientific Proof of "a god" comes from the Function, Intelligence & Mind categories, and causal links. The proof the Jesus is God ... is in the Torah & fulfilled prophecies made 600 - 1400 years before he was born, and Christianity today. There are no make religion today with the greek & roman gods. Islam follows the pagan gods of the moon ( Al Lah) & sun ( Akbar) as well as the Hindu Black Stone. And Jews are at most 20 million world wide with most not believing in a God ... and the religions Jews still claim Jesus is a greek & roman god. lol. Jesus was a Jew and all the first Christians were all Jews ... and they on had the Torah(Bible) to believe Jesus is the Son of God and the promised Messiah. Again. Where is Hadian's Greek god when he completely destroyed Judea, expelled the Jews and renamed the land, Palestine. The Palestinians still exist today .. but most are part of the satanic cult of Islam which copied & corrupted Christian teachings. There would be no Islam ... if the pedophile false prophet had no Judeaims & Christianity to copy from. The 1.6 billion Muslims would have become Christians ... bringing the grand total of over 4 billion today believing in the God of the Jews & Christians. All the proof is not in the New Testament ... by the Torah(bible). The Jews rejecting the Messiah and being cursed is actually in the Torah ... as is the messiah being the Son of God ... and God being Father, Son, & Spirit. The Jews will repent their sins and embrace the Son of God in end times. God game 6 days for Man ... & ... 1 Day for God. 1 day is like 1000 years to God. Jesus returns to rule for 1000 years before Judgement Day ... with 144 000 male virgin Jews who died during the tribulation believing Jesus is Lord & Savior. The current Jewish year is ... 5 782. Hmmmm?

Excellent. Craig does a great job presenting evidence for the resurrection in a short time.

@PetraKann

Жыл бұрын

Faith is a legitimate personal principle to stand behind but it is not evidence.

@MarkWCorbett1

Жыл бұрын

@@PetraKann , I've never claimed that faith is evidence. I don't think Craig does either. But faith can be based on evidence.

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkWCorbett1 Craig presents zero credible evidence for any of his claims about jesus or yhwh

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkWCorbett1 are you implying there is evidence that a specific religion is worth believing?

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

He did not. The actual evidence has nothing to do with the New Testament ... but is fulfilled prophesies in the Jewish bible ( Torah) that confirmed Jessus ( a historal figure that is confirmed to have lived & died) is the promised Messiah & the Son of God ... sent to be a sin sacrifice ... to save God's children from His just nature. Both the Romans & Jews ... hated the Jews who were willing to give up their lives believing Jesus is the Messiah & Son of God and was resurrected & is now in Heaven with the Father. Christianity could have easily been wiped from History books by the Hadrian, Nero etc. But it didn't. Instead the Jews & Judaism were suddenly cursed by God for something they did 2000 years ago ... whereas Christianity has become the greatest & most influential religion of all time. Where are the roman & greek gods from 14 Nisan 30 AD ... when Jesus gave up His life ... to save humanity? What has become of Judaism & the Jews since rejecting Jesus 2000 years ago? The Jewish Bible foretold the Jews rejecting the Messiah and being cursed by God for this. But it also says the Jews will repent their sin in end times and will embrace the Son of God as their savior. God had a reason for the 6 day creation & 1 Day belongs to Him ... and .. 1 day is like 1000 years being in the Old & New Testaments. Jesus will return ...to rule the Earth for 1000 years ... with 144 000 male virgin Jews who died during the Tribulation believing Jesus is Lord & Savior. The current Jewish year since the fall of man is ... 5 782. 6 days for Man 1 day for God Judgement Day. Yeah. All the evidence points at Jesus actually being the Son of God and the promised JEWISH Messiah. Only the Son of God ... can be the Messiah(savior) ... and God sent His Son to die ... & ... be resurrected ... to save His Children from their sins.

Stop believing. You will have a much better life. You will be free.

What are ways to interpret Jesus saying to "destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again"?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

it could be BS. That's all I got.

According to the bible King Herod ordered the wise men to follow the star in the east, but nobody recorded it. With earthquakes, zombies (read matt 27:51,52 and tell me that crap is real), and mass murder of male children, Josephus listed ALL of King Herod's crimes but must have forgotten that one. Jesus was very well known according to the bible. Mark 2:4&5:27 Matt 4:24,Luke 4:14 The bible records 3 hours of mid-day darkness, The census, (there was no census) Multitudes showing up for sermons. Sermon on the mount witnessed by 500. Palm Sunday, Performing miracles for many important leaders, "Romans 1:13>15 and 15:20>23. Feeding of the multitudes, Overturning tables in the market, Healing the sick and blind, Healing deafness, Healing paralysis, (never healing an amputee, ) Walking on water, Bring others back from the dead, Crucifixion (no record) not to mention rising from the dead himself and many more, For the mass of followers of Jesus so adored him that they forgot the day, month, the year in which he was born and crucified. What does Bart Ehrman have to say about it? "As odd as it may seem, there is no mention of Jesus at all by any of his pagan contemporaries. There are no birth records, no trial transcripts, no death certificates; there are no expressions of interest, no heated slanders, no passing references - nothing. In fact, if we broaden our field of concern to the years after his death - even if we include the entire first century of the Common Era - there is not so much as a solitary reference to Jesus in any non-Christian, non-Jewish source of any kind. I should stress that we do have a large number of documents from the time - the writings of poets, philosophers, historians, scientists, and government officials, for example, not to mention the large collection of surviving inscriptions on stone and private letters and legal documents on papyrus. In none of this vast array of surviving writings is Jesus’ name ever so much as mentioned.” ~Bart Ehrman

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

And speaking of the wise men, why did they give a balm to a child?

How can you tell the difference between a historical document and a work of fiction that tries to set itself in a historical time? The presence of zombies should be a pretty obvious tell

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Jesus wasn’t a zombie.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 Matthew 27 the bodies of many saints arose and came out of their tombs

@joshheter1517

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@@pmtoner9852 That’s not what it means to be a zombie.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 never saw The walking Dead, huh?

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@pmtoner9852 I’ve seen most of it; I bailed around season 6, I think. Being dead then coming back to life might be a necessary condition for being a zombie, but it’s not a sufficient condition.

Best take on Jesus is from Alan Watts, he absolutely nailed it, no pun intended

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Nope. You don't need to involve the New testament at all. The proof is from the Torah(Jewish Bible) and fulfilled prophecies ... about Jesus ... who is confirmed by Roman & Jewish Historians to have lived & died and be the focus of a new jewish religoin call ... Christianity.

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@abelincoln8885 you are fallaciously picking an explanation for what you call "prophecy"... Post Hoc... I've never heard of something in the Bible that is "without question prophecy"...does God only want gullible believers? You interpret it as prophecy and why should I care? You have not eliminated alternative explanations, which is fundamental to every single scientific discovery ever.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@abelincoln8885 Jews don't believe in Jesus sparky.

@Epiousios18

Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of Watts, but from what I remember I didn't find his thought on Jesus to be anything particularly profound or insightful. Do you have a recommended source or video to watch? Wouldn't mind a refresher.

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 Jesus & his followers were Jews sparky.

Mashiach (or Messiah) is defined as 'anointed by the High Priest with sacred oil for service' was adapted into the Greek as 'Christos' which is derived from 'crestes'. 'Crestes' means 'to smear with grease'-a useful procedure for preserving Grecian leather battle shields. In other words, early followers of Yehoshua our Messiah did not refer to themselves as 'Christians'. Basically, the Romans were name-calling the followers of Yehoshua (calling them ‘greaseballs’ in modern terms). This was an insulting, humiliating title given to them by the Greco-Roman authorities. If early followers/disciples/talmidim did not label themselves as such, then why are 21st century followers of Yehoshua doing this? Misunderstanding of history? Ignorance?

Two very good speakers and intellectuals and philosophers, Dr Khune and William Lane Craig discuss one of the most important parts of the Christian faith: the resurrection of Jesus. What we do know is that Chritainity has brought the world to the door of Armageddon with a possible global conflict coming from the Ukrainian conflict. I believe our religions have failed us in not uniting the human community but dividing it; surely if Jesus had come to the Earth he would have helped to end the eternal conflicts between sister nations. One thing about Jesus that interests me is that he has the hygenic habits of a bronze age man, could William Land Craig please explain why Jesus did not promote cleanliness? If he really was the son of God he surely would have known things like not drinking from the community well or washing hands; he does not know ordinary habits of cleanliness from what is said in the Bible.

Low Bar Bill, at it again. Letting confirmation bias do all the "thinking" just as long as he can stick to that pretty feel-good story he once accepted because it was so pretty and feel-good...

For those who doubt that the gospels are based on accounts from people familiar with first century Palestine, I strongly recommend Peter Williams' excellent short book: Can We Trust the Gospels?

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Palestine was created by Hadrian in the early 2nd century. He hated the Jews & their God, and wanted to establish his greek god in the land. How did that turn out? lol.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

"people familiar with first century Palestine" lol wut? I am familiar with first century Palestine but I didn't write the Gospels.

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 I did.

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

"The authors got some irrelevant mundane details right… therefore we should also believe the historically highly implausible parts and the miraculous parts for which we don’t have a shred of verifiable evidence.“ That’s the entire argument.😂 You don’t have to be an eyewitness or talk with eyewitnesses to get any of those details right. Copying those details from the works of Josephus would have been enough.😉

@WhiteScorpio2

Жыл бұрын

"For those who doubt that the gospels are based on accounts from people familiar with first century Palestine" Are there any such people? "Can We Trust the Gospels?" No, we can't. Or do we just assume that everything that a person wrote is automatically 100% correct if it was written by someone familiar with first century Palestine?

I like the part where Jesus throws the ring into the volcano

@djhutcherson6761

Жыл бұрын

lmao 😁

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

he should have sent the eagles

After many years of studying the phenomenon known as quantum mechanics, the mechanics of atomic particles and particle wave theory i conclude anything is possible after death. Energy has many states.

@ramspace

Жыл бұрын

Yes, i also enjoy incorporating quantum with the Upanishads. Check out the interpretation called Qbism: belief of the observer affects how the quantum field collapses.

@Michael-tq6xm

Жыл бұрын

@@ramspace check out my own theory and that of some philosophers and scientists. The observe is also a quantum system and particle wave, the electron measurement problem double slit and entanglement are all influenced by the observer but stand back and digest its merely two quantum systems interacting during the experiment. In itself the theory raises many questions of interest to any critical thinking person.

@Michael-tq6xm

Жыл бұрын

@@ramspace Nat usually uses extremely simple and elegant solutions to restraining particles to exist governed by laws that themselves follow sets of rules... But also interact with each in some kind of orchestra of laws that govern them. That's why physics and deeper understanding of this world around you is so awesome to lea about. There are perhaps many laws we have yet to discover and perplex before as a race of people we understand even just a small part of this huge picture.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

@@ramspace Spot on.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

QM does not prove that ANYTHING is possible especially your giant sky fairy

Interview Bart Ehrman on this subject.

@Epiousios18

Жыл бұрын

Lol. I always find it amusing how people just choose one authority on the matter and are so sure it is the "correct" one. Amazing how Erhman, 2000 years after the fact, is always finding new and interesting forms of skepticism for his devotees to buy...

@jdnlaw1974

Жыл бұрын

@@Epiousios18 I find it amusing that you think I rely on one source of anything simply because I suggested another Bible scholar for him to interview, one he’s never had on his show to my knowledge.

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@Epiousios18 Well, most of what Ehrman says is mainstream scholarship or even academic consensus for about 200 years. And Christian apologetics are still a gigantic industry.

There was 1 witness to Muhammad's revelation.. him...

Omg! Is this a real conversation? It’s insane.

@DestroManiak

Жыл бұрын

You can find the full video if you go to the channel.

@LtDamn

Жыл бұрын

I concur. I have enjoyed some of the science / philosophical guests in previous videos, but this is just pandering to the religious fringe. This channel is now on my ‘do not recommend’ list.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@LtDamn it's always been apologist, although many of the guests aren't

@zombiesingularity

Жыл бұрын

Why is it insane?

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@zombiesingularity it's illogical to believe one particular unproven claim. If you wish to believe unproven claims you have to believe every claim if you are consistent.

I find it incredibly unbecoming of any leader in Christianity to defend Christianity knowing Christ was given the same deity status as the roughly 17 deities before him. They never mention facts like this when they defend their stance. It's a lie and they KNOW it's a lie...their problem is Ego.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Craig addresses these sort of claims regularly.

@johnjohnson1657

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 I'm talkn' plain 'ol Christians going to church every week and hearing the preaching and listening to the mainstream apologists who I used to follow and believe for 52 1/2 yrs. I don't take this lightly. Everything you find in both the Old and New Testaments is found in prior writings or philosophies or religion or culture...too include Christ. This is a Fact and cannot be disputed whether it's the Creation story or flood story or whatever...ALL of it is found in prior writings at least 500 yrs and up to another 2,000 yrs before any Hebrew writings showed up...and Hebrew isn't "God's language" ...it's one of about 6 different Phoenician/Canaanite dialects at the time. Ask one Hebrew scholar where the find "God" in their writings. They can't. They know this and readily admit it. Christians seem to think they know more than those who they got their writings from. I'm now 55 and for the first time in my life I have freedom...no Dogma ever again...just Freedom. I suggest you give it a try.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@johnjohnson1657 Thanks for the suggestion, John.

@johnjohnson1657

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 by the way...I'm not an atheist...I believe in some sort of supreme source we would call God...it's just that nobody knows who or what that is. I also believe Christ existed and He got it and took a stand and preached Truth...he just wasn't God's Son...just a guy like you and I who got it and ran with it. Christianity/Catholicism completely destroyed what Christ was really about and stole him for their forceful use. If I had never done my own research I wouldn't be having this conversation with you right now. And Im talkn 8 hrs a day minimum 7 days a week 365 days a year for 3 yrs 8 months with 3 total days off during that time. Finding out the Truth did set me free but it pissed me off at first and I stumbled around for a couple weeks trying to process what I was learning...gut wrenching for me but worth it cuz I now have freedom and Love is the only thing to focus on. I wish you the best.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@johnjohnson1657 I respect your journey, John. But, I’ve spent a fair amount of time studying these issues as well, and I’ve come to different conclusions, and I think some of your sources may be questionable. But again, I’m can respect anyone attempting to raise tough questions in the quest to understand reality.

I had to comment again. He uses the Bible as authentic evidence for the resurrection, but isn’t concerned with the extreme contradictions that make it non authentic specifically the gospels ! Wow , it must be greatly convenient to feel you can bend rational thinking that much and be justified lol

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

Because there aren't any "extreme" contradictions.

@MarkWCorbett1

Жыл бұрын

Is there any contradiction concerning whether or not Jesus rose from the dead? Do any Bible authors say He didn't? Do any claim His body remained in the tomb? What "extreme contradictions" do you have in mind? Could you list the two most extreme that would undermine the evidence for the resurrection?

@twitherspoon8954

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@@MarkWCorbett1 _"Because there aren't any "extreme" contradictions."_ Should we expect God to know what the Ten Commandments are? What was Jesus's sixth commandment? (Notice that Jesus lists only the secular commandments that make no mention of God): 1. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. (Matthew 19:17-19) 2. Honor thy father and mother: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother. (Mark 10:19) 3. There was no sixth. Jesus listed only five commandments: Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother. (Luke 18:20)

@twitherspoon8954

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkWCorbett1 _"Because there aren't any "extreme" contradictions."_ Is Jesus God? Is Jesus your savior?

@twitherspoon8954

Жыл бұрын

_"...extreme contradictions that make it non authentic specifically the gospels!"_ There is literally no contemporaneous evidence that Jesus ever existed. None of the Gospel authors, or any other writers, witnessed the Bible figure known as Jesus. All four Gospels were written anonymously and all were written after 70 AD. In the entire first century Jesus is not mentioned by a single historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher, or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, carving, sculpture or monument, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence or official record. Jesus himself left no archaeological evidence of any kind, such as artifacts, tombs, dwellings, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. The earliest Gospel fragment we have dates from the second century (John 18). More than 80% of New Testament manuscripts date to the 5th century or later. Over three-quarters of Mark's content is found in both Matthew and Luke, and 97% of Mark is found in at least one of the other two synoptic gospels. Matthew incorporates about 600 of Mark’s 649 verses into his Gospel, and Luke retains about 360 verses of Markan material. Additionally, Matthew (44%) and Luke (58%) have material in common that is not found in Mark. Matthew and Luke plagiarized about 97% of Mark, often word-for-word. Matthew incorporates about 600 of Mark’s 649 verses into the Gospel, and Luke retains about 360 verses of Markan material. All told, 97% of Mark is reproduced in Matthew and/or Luke. Mark contains a total of 11,025 words, and only 132 are unique to him. The rest are found in Matthew or Luke. In fact, 97% of Mark is replicated in Matthew, and 88% of Mark is replicated in Luke. John wrote later, and 92% of his material was unique. Mark omits the entire traditional biography of Jesus, beginning the story with John the Baptist giving Jesus a bath, and ending - in the oldest manuscripts - with women running frightened from the empty tomb. The alleged postresurrection appearances reported in the last twelve verses of Mark are not found in the earliest manuscripts, even though they are still printed in most modern bibles as though they were an "authentic" part of Mark’s gospel. There really isn’t much to the Gospel of Mark; the birth legends, genealogies, and childhood wonders all being absent. The Gospel of Luke takes up 43 pages in the New English Bible, the gospel of Mark occupies only 25 pages - a mere 58% as much material as the later Gospels embellished the story with each retelling. The Synoptics often use identical editorial or parenthetical statements. Compare these examples below: (Matthew 9:6) But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”-then He said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your bed and go home.” (Mark 2:10-11) “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”-He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home.” (Luke 5:24) “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,”-He said to the paralytic-”I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go home. Matthew and Luke further embellished the Gospel of Mark by asserting a prophesy that the Temple would be destroyed, decades after it actually occurred. Another example is the John chapters 7 and 8 story about a woman taken to Jesus who was caught in the act of adultery to be stoned. Jesus was said to have stated, "He who is without sin cast the first stone." But that entire story was not in the original manuscripts. It was added by scribes in later versions and found its way into the King James Bible. Another mistranslation is "son of man" which in Aramaic simply means, "man". In Mark 2:28 when it was translated into Greek that became, "Therefore the son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath." So the meaning went from "humans have priority over the Sabbath" to "Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath." Mark: The Gospel of Mark is anonymous. Most scholars date Mark to in or about 70 AD, after the failure of the First Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple at the hands of the Romans. They reject the traditional ascription to Mark the Evangelist and believe it to be the work of an author working with various sources including collections of miracle stories, controversy stories, parables, and a passion narrative. Mark originally ended at verse 16:8, with no appearances of the risen Jesus - merely a statement that the young man told the women that Jesus' body was gone and they fled in terror, telling no one. The later Gospels made up the resurrection tale and that was also added to Mark from the Luke version. Luke: The Gospel of Luke, written in Greek, does not name its author. The Gospel was not, nor does it claim to be, written by direct witnesses to the reported events. Most modern scholars agree that the main sources used for Luke were (a) the Gospel of Mark, (b) a hypothetical sayings collection called the Q source, and (c) material found in no other gospels, often referred to as the L (for Luke) source. The author is anonymous. The most probable date for its composition is around AD 80-110, and there is evidence that it was still being revised well into the 2nd century. The earliest manuscript of the Gospel of Luke is dated dated circa 200 AD. Luke states at the beginning of the Gospel, “Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account”. John: John reached its final form around AD 90-110. Like the three other gospels, it is anonymous. The Gospel of John was only attributed to John later in the second century when the Church Fathers were attempting to define who, in their opinions, wrote each of the gospels. There is no evidence that John even existed. John 21:24-25 is written in the third-person, referring six times to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" -- "This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true." Matthew: Most scholars believe the gospel was composed between AD 80 and 90, with a range of possibility between AD 70 to 110. The work does not identify its author, and the early tradition attributing it to the apostle Matthew is rejected by modern scholars. The Gospel of Matthew occasionally lets it slip that it was written long afterwards, such as the description of the Jewish authorities’ cover-up of the resurrection (“this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day." Matthew 28:15) and the story of the field of blood (“Wherefore that field was called the field of blood, unto this day," Matt. 27:8).

This man's definition of "factual evidence" leaves a bit to be desired.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Would you like to provide us with a better definition? Or, are you just going to copy something out of the dictionary… again?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

"factual evidence" is redundant. evidence = facts

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 What does that even mean: “evidence = facts”? What do you mean by fact? What do you mean by evidence?

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 dude, all evidence consists of facts by definition. Evidence is a fact that tends to prove or disprove a proposition. That's the definition. It is funny you are talking about evidence but you don't know what it means.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 What do you mean *the* definition? “What is evidence?” is a highly disputed philosophical question. There are many, many books on this topic. Which have you read? Also, I notice you didn’t even try to define “fact”.

He is wrong about the evidence. Because God could and would provide evidence for his resurrection and there would be no dispute about it. It’s unfortunate that Craig is totally wrong about Jesus.

@ronaldmorgan7632

Жыл бұрын

So, you know the mind of God? Good to know.

@MarkWCorbett1

Жыл бұрын

God has provided enough evidence to make belief in the resurrection reasonable, but not evidence of a sort that more or less forces belief. He may have good reasons for this as His goal is not merely people who believe in a set of facts, but people who trust and love Him.

If Mr Craig grew a white beard he would look like Santa Claus. Or maybe Santa Claus shaved

please bring in Muhammad Hijab

At Night, We die the 'Little Dead', moving our Day-Consciousness to the Night-Bodies, (Deep-Sleep-periods) one by one, via our Coupling-Body, (REM-sleep) (NDE, OBE, Coma, Ghosths, Dreams, messages, warnings, REM-sleep, is all experienced through the Coupling-Body) 'We are dead', same amount of time as We lived in our physical body, so, younger people gets soon'er back, and older stay longer, but max.100 year, before they get born in a new physical body. Our Night-bodies is of Electrical Nature, also our physical body, is Electric, but it is dis-connected when We die. Jesus belongs to the Real Humans, they might be 100.000 years ahead of our present developing-level/standard. They do everything solely by Thought-Power, they are High-Voltage Electrical Beings, since long, growing away from physical bodies, and materializing their 'Performance-Bodies', from purpose to purpose. As they have lost the Ability to be born as Physical Beings, there was a whole set of miracles, to enable Jesus been born by a physical being. So, the resurrection was 'back to his normal body', as is high voltage electrical, and therefore dangerous for physical beings to come close, thats why he told the woman to keep distance.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

nope

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

creative writing

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

During day the One appears as Many, During Night the Many become One again.

When all you have is circular reasoning as evidence, it's a religion. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

For fairness ask the same question to Bart Eherman to keep your credibility.Prof.Dr Nasir Fazal Cambridge USA 🇺🇸

Interview Dr. Bart Ehrman on this subject.

Why do we know for sure that Jesus is real ? Because of many personal experience from millions of people current and throughout the ages ,and that is no atheist delusional theories.

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

And what say you to the millions of past and current believers in 10,000 other gods, people who have equally fervent testimonies?

@keithrelyea7997

Жыл бұрын

You need to brush up on why people believe what they do. The God delusion is very real. Look at all the beliefs in the history of mankind. The only conclusions is is that they are a product of the human imagination and culture. There is no god, do your home work.

@iemy2949

Жыл бұрын

@@keithrelyea7997 this was precisely my point

@Jesusismykin

Жыл бұрын

@@keithrelyea7997 One of those people is me and I used to be a atheist, and who is delusional, someone who believes that everything created itself out of nothing. Now I know that God is very real because he has allowed me to know and that I am very sure of. So you believe what the Bible says, that everything was created out of nothing. And we know that that creator was God.

@Jesusismykin

Жыл бұрын

@@iemy2949 Many people are forced into religions that are fake from birth, for whatever reason but I was not Jesus has allowed me to know that he is very real he actually works and you should try it ,and don't be brainwashed by atheist scientists that make up theories from thin air with no evidence whatsoever. 😉

I have found this program sketchy for some time. This is just more of the same, sketchy topics and guests.

@StallionFernando

Жыл бұрын

It's not sketchy, you just don't like the topic because it's about God.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@StallionFernando well it's about the supposed resurrection of jesus, which is ridiculous on its face. Dead people don't come back to life, period. Much less some dude 2000 years ago in a fairy tale.

@zombiesingularity

Жыл бұрын

Nothing "sketchy" about it just because you disagree.

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 “I know that X is false because we know that X isn’t true!”

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 that is a correct statement. unintentionally on your part, I assume.

It's just a story.

The existence of many well-documented modern-day miracles makes it easier to believe in the most important miracle in human history: the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I recommend Craig Keener's well-researched and well-written book: Miracles Today.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

ha ha ha ha. There are zero well-documented modern day miracles

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

I recommend the channel "digital gnosis“. They debunked that book in one of their 10 hour long "bad apologetics“ sessions. Edit: I laughed when I read "well documented“.😂

Craig is unbelievable. Asserting we have no evidence or facts of history simply because he has no evidence for the resurrection of Christ. There is mountains of evidence for multiple historical events and people before and after Christ. Unfortunately for Craig and Christianity, there is almost no evidence for the resurrection and the little that is there is contradictory, the number of women at the tomb is an example.

@thepeadair

Жыл бұрын

There is as much evidence for Jesus’ resurrection as there is for any other contemporaneous event, more in many cases.

@sciencefirst7880

Жыл бұрын

@@thepeadair no there isn't...please give one example.

@Implementing0Failure

Жыл бұрын

@@thepeadair That is just blatantly false!

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

there isn't "almost" no evidence there is absolutely no evidence and conclusive evidence to the contrary. Dead people don't come back to life, period. Ask your mortician.

@ramigilneas9274

Жыл бұрын

@@thepeadair Nope, there is exactly zero evidence for the resurrection… and no unverifiable anecdotes and anonymous hearsay aren’t evidence for an event that contradicts lots of laws of nature.😂

Closer 2 the truth... we all need Jesus thanks You lord 🙏

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

believing a religion is the opposite of becoming closer to truth. Unless you would say that believing in fairies and unicorns draws you closer to truth

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

I don't need jesus he can piz off

@michaela8259

Жыл бұрын

@@VintageBassArchive Metaphysics comes first. Religion is history, metaphysics, and metaphors. The metaphysics makes sense. History should be measured the same way regardless of subject. We can't have double standards.

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8259I don't really understand your comment if you could please explain it in other words... historically these religions were believed, that's not mean the religions themselves are historically accurate. Even if you read original preserved text, that does not mean it must be believed.... William Lane Craig cannot distinguish between a foundational metaphysical belief that is wrong or true

@VintageBassArchive

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8259 something that may be a correct meta physical foundation cannot be called a solid metaphysical foundation if it is not justified

Resurrection isn't unique. There is Milarepa and Vallalar who did something similar. Saddhana is available to everyone, and Jesus was a good saddhak. Peace to all.

@prime_time_youtube

Жыл бұрын

False and misleading comment. Milarepa and Vallalar did not bodily resurrected. Also, Saddhana has nothing to do with bodily resurrection. Virtually all scholars and historians deny that Jesus followed any Saddhana... he was a Jew, and he lived under the Law of Moses. You just cannot say whatever you want, you have to give evidence.

@ramspace

Жыл бұрын

@@prime_time_youtube Great to know that you have studied Jesus, Vallalar, Milarepa, and probably many more. The description of Milarepa's last moments over the burning pyre at the cremation grounds is quite something. But I don't make a fuss about it.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

@@prime_time_youtube it was quite refreshing when you prefaced your comment by stating it would be false and misleading

@prime_time_youtube

Жыл бұрын

​@@pmtoner9852 If that were the case, the preface of your comment would be "*Blatant Lie".* Nothing that I said was false, you are just lying. The stories of Milarepa and Vallalar do not include a bodily resurrection. Do you think I am incorrect? Present evidence. Virtually EVERY SINGLE historian denies that Jesus followed a Sādhanā (Saddhana). If you have a historian that says so, present the reference.

@pmtoner9852

Жыл бұрын

@@prime_time_youtube prove that Jesus actually lived. You can't because he's a fictional character. No attestations to him in his lifetime. Multiple forgeries of Jesus inserted into histories in the late first and second century. Not to mention the fake relics created in the Middle ages to supposedly prove his existence. Most historians believed Moses was a real person 50 years ago, now real historians know better. Unfortunately for you, academic inertia is hardly proof for your fictional character you worship as a demigod.

pardon me for my 'weird though' of wondering about the possibility of God sending the Messenger in form of doppelganger, that one born in the barn and one born under palm/dates tree and both from mothers who experiencing 'supra natural implants' and the two Ladies came from Jewish priest family.. one while in crucifixion during 'soul departure' for ascension was visualize to the disciples.. as to my understanding this similar to the phenomena of 'out of body experience' that in particular case the experiencer can manifest in visual form for others.. interestingly in Japan there's a cemetery with 'two burial' in representing the two messenger of God..🙏

@abelincoln8885

Жыл бұрын

Islam is a perverse, violent, hateful satanic cult ... that copied & corrupted Jewish & Christian teachings ... for a racist, pedophile murderer, rapist, sexist Arab thief from Mecca, and his moon (Al Lah) and sun (Akbar) gods, and Hindu Black Stone. The God of the Jews & Christians ... had a reason for the 6 day creation & 7th Day is for God ... and .. in The Book saying 1 day is like 1000 years, God is plural & singular, the Messiah is the Son of God, the Jews will reject the Messiah & be cursed but will repent their sins in end times and accept the Son of God. The New Testament prophesied the Jesus will return for a 1000 year reign with 144 000 Jews who died during the Tribulation believing Jesus is the Son of God & Messiah. The current Jewish year since the fall of Man is ... 5 782. 6 days for Man 1 day for God Judgement Day. The evidence ... is fulfilled prophesies ... about Jesus who is a known Historical figure ... from the Jewish Bible (Torah). And the greatest & most influential religion ever ... is Christianity. Even the mighty pagan Roman empire could not stop a Jewish religion called Christianity ... from spreading their god around the world. C'mon. Where are the Roman & Greek gods from 14 Nisan 30 AD when Jesus was crucified .. or 70 AD when the Temple was destroy by the Romans. Where are Hadrians greek gods when he completely destroyed the Jewish State, expelled all Jews from the land and renamed it Palestine? There are only 20 million Jews at most today ... and most don't believe in God ... and the religious Jews still insist Jesus is a greek or roman god ( lol) but believe they are living in end times when their promised Messiah will finally appear to save them. smh. 6 days for Man 1 day for God. Judgement Day. 5 782 AM .... and the day is getting closer.

What empty tomb? There wasn't an empty tomb. And also, even if there was a tomb, and it was empty...that isn't evidence of a resurrection. It's evidence of...an empty tomb. Bereavement hallucinations happen with people. Christians believe Christian things. You want there to have been a resurrection. That is not the best explanation. It's the one you like the most so you lower the bar to make it fit the best for you. Craig, you really hurt yourself with your earlier admission that you lower the doxastic standard for believability and credibility of claims in the Christian religion.

Did you consider interviewing Bart Ehrman on this topic?

@keithrelyea7997

Жыл бұрын

Bart gives WLC a spanking.

@tristanmaxwell8403

Жыл бұрын

Wlc better than Bart Ehrman

Or (take) the similitude of one who passed by a hamlet, all in ruins to its roofs. He said: "Oh! how shall Allah bring it (ever) to life, after (this) its death?" but Allah caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him up (again). He said: "How long didst thou tarry (thus)?" He said: (Perhaps) a day or part of a day." He said: "Nay, thou hast tarried thus a hundred years; but look at thy food and thy drink; they show no signs of age; and look at thy donkey: And that We may make of thee a sign unto the people, Look further at the bones, how We bring them together and clothe them with flesh." When this was shown clearly to him, he said: "I know that Allah hath power over all things."

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

another stupid old book

@loualiaissa6251

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 this is a really scary verse if you have a heart "And those who do not expect the meeting with Us say, "Why were not angels sent down to us, or [why] do we [not] see our Lord?" They have certainly become arrogant within themselves and [become] insolent with great insolence.22The day they see the angels - no good tidings will there be that day for the criminals, and [the angels] will say, "Prevented and inaccessible

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@loualiaissa6251 I fart at your god. that punk can come down any time I will kick its az.

William Lane Craig merely faces unfair ridicule and sneers when he shares his belief and reasons for his belief in the resurrection of Jesus. But Christian belief in the resurrection goes back to the very earliest Christians in Jerusalem right after the resurrection. And they faced a real danger of physical harm, imprisonment, and death. Yet they maintained their testimony and Christianity spread around the world.

@canbest7668

Жыл бұрын

Believing someone was raised from the dead after three days 2000 years ago is absurd. But if you’re going to suggest that people sacrificed themselves for something they believe in do you remember 9/11?

@cindychristman8708

Жыл бұрын

@Mark Corbett Anybody that went against the Empire or the church-state doctrines/dogma of the 4th century faced physical harm, imprisonment, torture, exile, or death. Christianity spread by the sword, not because there was any truth to it. Look at other fast spreading religions (like Islam), does that correlate to the truth of it?

@canbest7668

Жыл бұрын

@@deadtoadsoup Now THAT was funny!😆

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

Жыл бұрын

No they did not. You have not a shred of evidence for any of that

@MarkWCorbett1

Жыл бұрын

@@canbest7668 , I do remember 9/11. Those people gave evidence that they believed that they would be rewarded for killing whom they saw as enemies as God. Some of the earliest Christians gave evidence that they believed Jesus had risen from the dead and some of these claimed to have seen Him themselves and others likely knew eyewitnesses.

If indeed, there was no resurrection & no godly intervention, of what use is Christianity? One does not need to accept the tenets of the bible to at least appreciate that Christianity played a fundamental role in the development of advanced European/western civilisation. Christianity provided the role models, as examples to imitate, of what makes civilized life possible. Of the countless number of advanced civilisations that must surely exist throughout the cosmos, it's probably safe to say that many owe their advancement to some kind of saviour-religion narrative, not unlike our own Christianity. Regardless of whether one believes, rather than dispensing with Christianity, we should take on board its most urgent lesson. Live your life for the greater good, unconditionally, for this represents a fundamental principle that is essential to advanced civilisations throughout the cosmos. Without it, the future can only ever be barbaric and degenerate.

It’s a fact because I say it is a fact not because there is evidence to support it. I guess like many WLC just wants to believe. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@michaela8259

Жыл бұрын

That's not what he says. He clearly makes the point that for the vast majority of history that we take for granted (not theological) there's similarly no evidence, other than accounts and testimonies, the same as for the events of the Bible. So what matters is how they interconnect. Can't make a pass for one (general history) and reject the other (like the story of Jesus) that way. His belief like many other great minds who are theists clearly also don't hinge on this alone, but a very solid metaphysical basis and philosophical arguments, the fundamentals of existence, reality and the universe.

@myopenmind527

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8259 he also says he would be surprised if there were evidence for the bodily resurrection. Essentially he’s admitting that there are no good reasons to believe. We don’t have eyewitness testimony just stories written down decades after the events that the claim to describe. Like all claimed gods invented by our species none have ever been shown to be real. #none

@joshheter1517

Жыл бұрын

Where does he say this in the video? Can you give a time stamp?

@theananyo

Жыл бұрын

@@michaela8259 Sure you can. When one set of accounts and testimonies conform to the world as we know it while another contradicts some of the foundational physical and biological concepts we've discovered through the process of science, you can quite easily "make a pass" for the previous while not doing so for the latter.