0:48 I fkn love Mike! I totally get his humor and i'm here for it every time! Also love it when these two collab! ✌️

@FlannelFetish

4 ай бұрын

Bro you have to the best dude to hang out with

You can tell Mike is smart as fuck, and also that he does not give a shit how people feel, he calls it like it is.

I agree 100% on your Mike Mentzer view point..Yes training less volume and going all out on last set for an exercise can be very beneficial...but to take more rest days than needed is not logical..

@wezist

4 ай бұрын

It isn't..... Recovery above all, plain, simple and extremely logical....

@khairt1731

4 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer never said to take more rest days than NEEDED. This shows you dont even understand HIT or what Mike said. Science proves its in the rest days that the muscle grow. Prove it otherwise, with science.

@bigkurz

4 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731they won’t grow unless you lift

@adamgilbert7578

4 ай бұрын

More rest than needed is just being lazy 😂

@wezist

4 ай бұрын

@@adamgilbert7578 it's called being sensible. You can only grow from workouts your body can recover from. More volume means longer recovery. More sets means longer recovery. You either need to give enough time in order to recover or take more drugs, it is that simple.

First time I’ve seen mike mention Greg doucette in a good way🤣

@afabor

4 ай бұрын

He bout to make a 12 minute video on this one mention

@otstent985

4 ай бұрын

@@afabor😂😂

How could you do that to MJ??? Lol

@danInRealife

4 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 that sht was soooo funny!!

@user-freetopg

4 ай бұрын

Was he being serious?

@Slinkwater

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-freetopgnahh but that's the beauty of Dr. Mike. He's so straight-faced and subversive you can never tell🤣

@user-freetopg

4 ай бұрын

@@Slinkwater thnx bro. legit couldn't tell🤣

@garethllewellyn215

4 ай бұрын

😂😢 he did it for revenge for what mj did to bubbles... And little known fact. He was called bubbles because of being bloated like a dredged up corpse by mjs love juice and the banana diet meant constant farting...but his butthole constantly blew cun bubbles

Decades ago, someone told me, "Don't let your knees go over your toes." I don't recall the circumstances, but I assume it was during physical therapy for a torn meniscus. It was not presented as something temporary and specific to treating that torn meniscus, but rather as a general rule. Apparently I was surprised, and told this to friends. Recently...like, last year...I found out that this is not only not a requirement, but it is not even good advice for someone with knee problems. Yes, Ben Patrick had something to do with the realization. Casting off that limitation has led to much improved knee function. Plus, being able to do deep squats is functional in the real world. I lead a hiking group, and not all trails are politely groomed and graded. One will find oneself scrambling; there will be large steps involving folding one's knee completely. So...recently I started coaching a friend...who is one of the folks I told about the "no knees over toes" diktat long ago. I was telling her about finding out, "Everything you know is wrong", and listed "no knees over toes" as one of the items. She pointed out that I'd told her this long ago. She is not going to let me forget that lapse... If you want another, possibly worse, example of wrong and outdated advice, look at treatment for osteoporosis. It used to be, and largely still is, that physical therapy for osteoporosis consisted of teaching patients how not to fall -- balance practice and some mild leg exercises. But definitely nothing heavy! and no impact! Wrong! Look up the "LIFTMOR" study, which was a recent, IMO very well designed, randomized controlled trial comparing the standard exercise regimen for osteoporosis to heavy resistance training, with impact. Subjects in the test group did exercises including deadlifts and back squats -- IIRC each session had 5 sets of these at 85% of one rep max. And they did jumping pull-ups with a drop, meaning, they got into the top pull-up position by jumping if needed, and then let go, so there was impact on landing. The subjects were elderly women who had a diagnosis of osteoporosis or osteopenia. The test subjects' bone density improved, and no-one got injured. The control group's bone density decreased. The study was repeated with men later. (KZread won't let me include a link, but a web search for "liftmor osteoporosis study" will find it.) Aaaand then there's the current RDA for protein...which seems to have been derived from such things as farm animal feeding studies, and from studies of elderly sedentary men. In both cases, the amount of protein "needed" was based on nitrogen excretion as a marker for when the animals / elderly men stopped absorbing / using more protein. But cows have very different digestive systems from humans. Using excreted nitrogen in the elderly men study does not take into account decreased ability to absorb protein by seniors. However, the amount of protein needed to just barely support life, while not exercising, is not the same as the amount needed to retain, let alone build, muscle mass. So the current RDA is "appropriate" if the goal is to sink gradually into sarcopenia. But more recent research contradicts the now-old RDA. The critical differences in the modern research are that, first, the goals are different -- the goal is retaining function and muscle mass -- and the means of measuring results are based on the desired outcomes, not on an indirect measure that could be confounded. And yet, I still see prominent nutrition influencers relying on the current RDA.

@doyourownresearch7297

4 ай бұрын

if you are really weak it isnt bad advice.

@alpenjodel24

4 ай бұрын

Bro wrote a book

@thor498

4 ай бұрын

​@@alpenjodel24 oh and he's right on all acounts

@lauraserdiuk

22 күн бұрын

Agreed. RDA is not a good criteria for determining the physiological requirement for a nutrient. Considering that the first edition of the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) was published in 1943 during World War II, it was created for national defense/serve the country in time of war purposes to make sure and prevent depletion/deficiency of the nutrient from the body in population. Also some nutrients, such as vitamins A and B12, can be stored in relatively large quantities and are degraded slowly. Others, such as thiamin, are turned over rapidly, and total deprivation in a person can lead to relatively rapid development of symptoms (i.e., in days or weeks, rather than in months). If the requirement for a nutrient is not met on a particular day, body stores or a surplus consumed shortly thereafter will compensate for the inadequacy. For most nutrients, RDAs are intended to be average intakes over at least 3 days; for others, e.g., vitamins A and B12), they may be averaged over several months. There is little evidence that requirements for nutrients are normally distributed. The distribution of the iron requirements for women, for example, is skewed.

I want Dr.Mike to do a response video or an explanation/apology sort of video about front squats again, because Geoff says you're dead wrong, and i guruntee you that simply making that video will get you another Lamborghini.

@sixxfinga1864

4 ай бұрын

I need response to all van wyck stuff

@dimitrikrazy

4 ай бұрын

I love front squats 😅

@Viking_Raven

4 ай бұрын

Apology 😂 Don't be dramatic man. He said that front squats don't have a good SFR which is true. If they work for you do them, there's no black and white answer.

@alecrobbins8171

4 ай бұрын

Nothing to apologize about. Front squats might be an ok exercise for you, but for hypertrophy a hack squat machine or smith machine squats will be superior for pretty much everyone because of the stability reducing fatigue and increasing stimulus on the targeted muscle. If you like front squats that’s fine but just cuz you like them doesn’t mean he was wrong

@flabio7074

4 ай бұрын

I love front squats from my weightlifting days, but they blow donkey balls for hypertrophy. There are at least a dozen other exercises I would use instead.

I’ve been lifting for 26 years and I still enjoy research and studies and considering the way I’ve been doing things. There’s always, always something new to learn or try.

What attracted me to Mentzer in the 90's was his physique. And when I was young, that's what I cared about. His physique embodied what I wanted to look like.

you two need a podcast. as a PT myself Ieverytime I hear you talk Jonni and especially with Mike I get inspired, I want to go and coach and lift everyone

Always watch Jonni and Mike videos!

Always, great videos Jonni. I hope you have an amazing week

I love how much Mike makes you laugh 😂

9:23 I think Mike has no idea what a 1976 Mustang looks like, otherwise he wouldn't refer to it as a "cool-ass car." ; )

@SKULLCRUSHERnr1

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, he needs to reverse the numbers. 67 Mustang is the shit

Another great collab video! You need a title for these like 'Mike and Jonni talk about the birds, the bees, and gains.

I love these videos. Y’all play off each other so well. You both have a charisma that translates well on camera.

The collab we all deserved

Great discussion and entertaining!!😊

Nice background music, soothing for my ears!

I appreciate the convo on Mentzer. As an old school gym bro now getting back into the swing of things (injuries + kids slowed be down fow a bit there) its been strange seeing him pop up in my social media all the time now. Have no clue why

Mama Say Mama Sa Mama Coosa is GOATED advise and deeply philosophical!

Basically always try to improve your training,diet and sleep habits...if you think you are there already,great...but for most of us there is always room for improvement...trial and error and time will get you where you want to be..

Cracking up in the first minute. Mamase mamasa mamakusa.. I just learned those were the actual lyrics after all these years and could not comprehend where the hell that came from. Backing Jonni on this one...one of the best lines there is.

@bobetterknow

3 ай бұрын

Fun fact: In Dutch we use this exact phrase to point out English song lyrics that sound like a real sentence in Dutch; we hear it as: “mama appelsap” which means mom apple juice 🧃 in Dutch. So every song lyric that sounds like a sentence in Dutch is called a ‘mama appelsap’.

You can tell Mike just got done watching Oppenheimer recently. Lol It was the Quantum Mechanic and Albert Einstein part of the convo lol love it!

Dr. Mike speaks more gospel in this one, but these videos are so much better with you guys together instead of individually.

@whointhewhat

3 ай бұрын

No

@KQY614

3 ай бұрын

@@whointhewhat gay

@whointhewhat

3 ай бұрын

@@KQY614 indeed, I’m a gay female, I like men 😮‍💨🥰😍

@KQY614

3 ай бұрын

@@whointhewhat No

There's a time and place for both modes of training as far as HIT goes. Genetics, age, abilities and experience. Since going to failure I've gained more muscle which is hard at my age but I mix it up with 1 to 3 sets and find it's easier for me to recover with less injury and more gaines.

I'm wathcing all your videos :D

I do mike menter's style but i do more than one set, but for me i followed his style because i go hard in the gym but i cant keep up with the frequency and volume, because i don't get perfect sleep, i don't eat perfect, and i'm 40 and my work is on call, semi physical labor, so even though his style is not optimal to me its more practical.

Interesting that a vid about this topic comes out after there was a discussion about Mikes concept and people getting the wrong message from the training vids ^^

I remember the first time I saw a program that said don't go to failure. It was 1RIR and I took over a week before I could even contemplate it haha My aching body convinced me in the end and it's been great.

@benjamindavis2475

4 ай бұрын

I haven't trained to failure since 2018. I've put on 30lbs since then and still can mostly see my abs

That is science, there is a question, make a hypothesis, it tries looks at the results and ajust, then tries again, etc. Science doesn't have the sollutions but it is getting closer and closer.

Great video 😃👍💪🇺🇸

this is a great video

Good ass video. Spot on and funny

I love watching you two...learn so much and get entertained at the same time.

Agree 100% Mike Mentzer training is basically old outdated bro-science at this point. Lazy people follow trends in the name of efficiency, and anyone that wants to work legs 1 set per week, says more about them, than the methodology ~

@Ricardo-ur5os

3 ай бұрын

Watch Dorian Yates and you’ll understand the concept of it better. It’s not 1 set, it’s a few warm up sets and then a really big set to failure. Great way to increase your PRs rather than holding reps in reserve and doing 4sets of 8 at a lesser weight

@tiernanastronskas261

14 күн бұрын

@@Ricardo-ur5os Keep mentzer training with your number 2 pencil legs. 10-20 peer reviewed, double blind, published studies done in the last decade proves that volume is the number one factor for hypertrophy. Also, I know of 3 studies, and I'm sure there are much more, that proves RIR training is as beneficial as training to failure, if not more beneficial. Been training for 10 years. Always to failure. Been on RIR training for the last 2 years and I'm bigger than I've ever been.

When people say that "anything more than one set is arbitrary", I think that what they mean is that the first step to reasonably determining the right volume is to begin with one set to stimulate growth, rather than any greater number that is, indeed, chosen at random. This doesn't mean that the volume can't be increased after examining the effect. It just points out that one set must form the foundation so that you can properly evaluate individual progress, especially when it comes to a halt. Mentzer was just trying to control as many variables as possible in order to try to determine what is optimal for growth (which he defined as the minimal amount needed to stimulate growth without impeding recovery and adaptation by way of hypertrophy). Two or more sets are, indeed, arbitrary if they are prescribed for an individual that is just a beginner. The only part that isn't arbitrary is that, in general, there is a lot of anecdotal and somewhat controlled research that would lead us to think that sets greater than one are beneficial or even necessary. That being said, that may not necessarily be the case when dealing with a particular individual who is unlike the majority, a so-called outlier. Mentzer encountered such people as his clients, and this is why he wanted to start at one set, keeping this consistent, and then adjust the frequency to lead to the desired results. So, this is why one set is the best place to start.

This is how I look at all self-help advice. You have to play with it, try stuff out constantly because what works can change because you are always changing. Also, our knowledge changes too as even in science somebody will discover a new thing they were overlooking that changes assessments. So, I look at very little as written in stone. Also, I am aware that science does a good job of telling us about the average person but nobody is actually average in every way. Studying subgroups means you get a new average more specific to that sub group, which is good to know if you belong to that sub group. So, I never stop thinking about and prodding theories and the systems I apply.

Mike Mentzer helped point out that I was doing junk volume and needed to change it. I was always skeptical of doing one set on muscles per week so I didn’t go that far. But I cut my volume and changed my training and now I’m actually growing.

@ChocolateJesus97

4 ай бұрын

Can you explain to me what “junk volume” is? I keep seeing this term pop up but can’t find a single solid definition

@rebelgamingtv5820

4 ай бұрын

@@ChocolateJesus97 sets that didn’t need to happen because stimulus was provided, and these sets tend to waste time and damage the muscle outside of the ability to recover.

@rebelgamingtv5820

4 ай бұрын

Ie. 30 sets on chest as was my case

@ChocolateJesus97

4 ай бұрын

@@rebelgamingtv5820thank you, I may be guilty of this myself 😂

@Ricardo-ur5os

3 ай бұрын

Same here. I got it more from Dorian Yates. I’ve smashed all my PRs doing it this way and have made massive progress

Dr. Mike's Albert Einstein analogy at 11:34 is 🔥

@tiernanastronskas261

14 күн бұрын

???????????? Einstein's theory of relativity is considered and used as the basis of all quantum mechanics LOL He used mathematics to describe the fabric of the universe and how gravity effects mass. He wasn't wrong LOL

@nathansmith3608

11 күн бұрын

@@tiernanastronskas261 look up the Bohr-Einstein debates. Einstein's work helped lay the foundations of quantum theory, but a majority of experts agree he did get some things wrong in his criticisms of the quantum theory as it became more developed.

Jonni's impression of bodybuilder girls is better than his impression of Mike Mentzer.

I think we need to add some nuance to the "to the failure" thing. If you take some weights that YOU KNOW you can't acheive your set, it's a stupid "to the failure" because this is bad technique, useless fatigue, and you're just wasting your time and energy. If you take a weight that you think is heavy enough to make your entire set AND challenge yourself for muscle grow, at some point you will probably suffer and go to the failure. The point is, you should aknowledge it, and take lighter weights.

Great content as always sir. Thank you. GME/SOL I like the coin

Didn't think I needed to ask what the current meta is when walking into the gym!

@lukasadamson6091

2 ай бұрын

But now you think that way? Why?

We stand on the shoulders of giants so that we can see further than they ever could.

@15:10 maybe he meant if your training for strength one hard set is about all you can get in without resting 20mins like Mitchell Hooper does (something he probably didn't know in the 80's so he just called it after one set). *Not your typical sets. - Not how I train just saying some people do the work/rests differently (more than one way to solve a problem).

The two best trainers right here pay attention ppl!!! 🔥🔥🔥

More recently I began doing really intense shoulder and forearm workouts. IDK if I gotten any gains, but my combo lifts are increasing immensely.

@jonathanreyes-tt7ws

4 ай бұрын

I remember once I started lifting more and more, my shoulder and forearms started lacking and getting tired first. Now with lat pulldowns, my back is effectively being used now that my forearms aren’t a lacking feature! Even with .2lbs of forearm muscle gain.

@doyourownresearch7297

4 ай бұрын

@@jonathanreyes-tt7ws how on earth are you measuring .2lbs of forearm muscle. lol

That was great

😂😂😂😂😂 Nooo MJ. I'M DONE!!!

People that work a lot of hours like Mike Mentzer workouts. I dont swallow everything he said whole but if I get home real late one set to failure sounds like a great idea

I trained for so many years not touching my chest with the bar on bench press. I remember reading it on more than one occasion around 2002 ish via muscle &fitness magazine from a few IFBB pros about 'keeping tension on the chest' so just kind of adopted it as my default. I've only quite recently reverted back to touching my chest

@jankfoots

4 ай бұрын

What have been the differences for you touching and not touching the chest? Can you exert more power perhaps?

@papaspaulding

4 ай бұрын

@@jankfoots Id say not touching the chest feels better on the shoulders, but then its also perhaps helping to limit your mobility long term so maybe long term worse for shoulders? Id say one benefit is it forces you to control the bar coming down more and stable such if as a beginner you might have a tendency to bounce the bar off your chest at the bottom. Not going all the way to the chest can allow you to go a bit heavier also as you're not putting yourself into that 'hole' Overall Id say the differences are very minimal, even the points mentioned above are extremely minimal between the two. Im touching the chest at present simply as its been so many years since doing such it feels good to add a slightly 'new' element into an old excercise. and at present am not lifting too heavy anyway on bench as am working in higher rep ranges

@tiernanastronskas261

14 күн бұрын

@@papaspaulding The point of touching your chest, isn't simply to just touch your chest. When you're at the bottom of a bench press, you should be hyper stretching your chest, elbows flared, and shoulders packed. It keeps the tension on your chest still, and it keeps that load on your muscles while in that deep position. Just going from not touching to just touching isn't doing shit. Might as well of just kept it how you were doing it before.

@papaspaulding

14 күн бұрын

@@tiernanastronskas261 Im aware there is more to the movement than simply touching your chest. But then im not going to type out every physical cue and nuance we all know vs the two (fixed ROM / Full ROM) when I can just type 'bar touching the chest' lol

Mike was ahead of his time and still is when it comes to the principal of allowing for reconditioning. Reconditioning meaning allowing a muscle long enough rest to make respond to training stimulus with much greater hypertrophy.

@matthewshadrick3094

5 күн бұрын

He’s outdated accept it

@aaronmaldonado1965

Күн бұрын

Outdated but had his pro card unlike this clown Isratel, guy can’t even get a pro card but has the most to say about a body building LEGEND

12:00 Oh my god Mike hit the nail on the head with that Einstein comparison. I logically understood the point that y'all were making but as a physicist that actually delivered an emotional reaction, such a brilliant example.

@2e826

4 ай бұрын

Freak up nerd

I trained with reps in the tank for over 15 years and never looked like someone who lifts. Now i have trained almosr 2 years to failure or very close to failure. Now friends keep asking what the hell i have been doing because first time ever i have decent muscles 🤷

@natebowman7593

4 ай бұрын

I'm going to play devils advocate, I'm not trying to troll you: Part of your gains could most likely be accredited to your consistency, not just your intensity.

@sandymitra3152

4 ай бұрын

If you trained for 5 years and didn't really look like you lifted then you were probably inconsistent, not progressively overloading at all, lifting way too light and/or way too far away from failure. Most casual and beginner lifters don't have a good idea of where failure actually is and don't develop a good sense of RIR training until they train to failure for a while

@Dehura

4 ай бұрын

@@sandymitra3152 yes.... like i said in my post. I left reps in the tank like i was told to do. After i started to push to failure, then i started to see results. That is only change that i have made. Im just saying that, its shitty advice to leave reps in tank for new lifters.. 🤷

@nothuman-2528

4 ай бұрын

​@@DehuraUsing this emoji at the end doesnt make your words sound better bro

@nothuman-2528

4 ай бұрын

​@@Dehurablaming everything on reps in reserve is like blaming some exercise for your injury at the same time not accouting your intensity/techinque/overall fatique/even fkn diet and sleep, its just dumb - the problem was in your effort or programming, not in the rir

The Micheal Jackson intro 💀 Well done

I think someone told the doc that he looked like a smaller version of Mike Meltzer and he just can't let it go

I just noticed Mike is on a black chair and Jonni is on a white chair. My brain went full fixation on that XD

I think a lot of people loved and believed in Mike Mentzer because he wasn’t Arnold.

Great point by Mike on Mentzer. We live in the future 40 years from Mentzer. His ideas never stood a chance of surviving 40 years of actual rigorous testing and practice of hypertrophy. We might as well be time-travelers

@checkitoutdewd

4 ай бұрын

Has Mentzer's theory been rigorously tested? Please post it. I'd like to read it. These arguments usually come down to optimal vs. sub-optimal. Then anything that might be construed as sub-optimal is considered absolute trash even though its quite effective also.

@khairt1731

4 ай бұрын

Wtf are you talking about? Dorian Yates was trained by Mike Mentzer and Yates utilized HIT

@Ricardo-ur5os

3 ай бұрын

@@khairt1731thank you, no one fucking mentions 6 TIME MR OLYMPIA DORIAN YATES. Guy is one of the smartest people in the fitness industry and he explains the “mentzer method” really well

There’s a video of an older Mike Metzer training, a guy making him work out once every 20 days. And he would only train like two body parts on those days. I have taken 20 days off before I did not grow bigger and the only thing I felt when I went back into the gym was a little out of shape. Once every 20 days cannot be right for maximum hypertrophy.

"It's not the magic of 5 sets.." RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Jonni you didnt say anything this episode 😂

What is meant by "training to failure"? For some people it means that point where you can no longer complete another repetition through its full range of motion while maintaining good form and a cadence that doesn't use momentum. For most, it means a typical cadence (which is generally quite fast on both the concentric and eccentric parts of the exercise) and doesn't involve stopping the exercise when form breaks down or range of motion becomes limited. So, what do you mean? Is it the former or the latter? The latter will most certainly bring about the issues you mentioned, but the former doesn't share in those issues of diminished recovery or risk of injury. Sadly, most of the studies employ that sloppy form of training to failure; and therefore, all of this is moot.

Dr Mike is the Mike Mentzer of our generation

@steelmongoose4956

4 ай бұрын

That’s…beautiful. 🥲

Great to listen to you guys chewing over this stuff. What gets me about Mentzer is how did he look so great by doing so many things wrong? It just worked for him? And, imo, dude doesn't look as good as Mentzer.

@cartenmcliam

4 ай бұрын

Great genetics and hyper responder to gear. Same for Dorian

@johnhawes2262

4 ай бұрын

Dr. Mike didn't say he looked better, he said he was bigger and stronger, which is true as far as I can tell for size (Mentzer weighed about 225 lbs, Dr. Mike weighs roughly 245 lb iirc), and strength idk. As for how he looked so great, great genetics, trained pretty hard, and steroids. Combo of those three could take you pretty far.

What’s your outro song Jonni? Please help I need it!

Dr. Mike looks like Mr. Spock on Steroids with his ears in this blue sweater... 😂😂

Why did you stop with the bands around the quads ? Only for activation I think it does you a favor,remind you talking about it very positively

“Yeah”

Easy one for viewer's. Watch dorian yates that took mics ways and mastered them

Mentzer method works for 100% of the 100 people who are new to exercise. It’s also a lazy approach as we have now become couch bound zombies.

@khairt1731

4 ай бұрын

Prove it with science. Pro body builders used HIT for years and they are not beginners. You just write shit just to write shit.

@khairt1731

4 ай бұрын

Dorian Yates used Mike Mentzers advice and HIT routine. Youre wrong.

@98danielray

4 ай бұрын

​@@khairt1731only for a short period of time and he followed an approach with more volume. not a valid argument either way

Respect Anilor America Casetele Video

Hilarous love you both.

You might be bigger and stronger than MM, but aesthetically, you look like something from a marvel movie.

@jamajamajama

4 ай бұрын

therefore what?

@solidsnake7167

4 күн бұрын

Exactly, bigger and more bloated does not mean better. Arnold and f’ing MM didn’t do peptides or insulin etc etc like all these ‘tards today dropping dead like Dallas McCarver

I know there’s a video about it likely but why is RIR superior to To Failure ? Is it due to the less fatigue and more overall ability to create stimulis?

lol Jonni's left bicept is noticeably larger than his right one 😅

Somebody explain why 0RIR is better than failure to where it makes a difference

Einstein understood and was able to do quantum mechanics, he just thought it was kinda ridiculous.

The reason that people are getting into mike mentzer is they don't have enough time to do 4 or 5 or 6 hour long full body or p/p/l workouts a week or whatever is actually optimal. They have enough time for maybe 2 short brutal workouts to failure

You can objectively prove that 1 set to failure isn't enough to exhaust the muscle.. Just do one set to failure, then a second set to failure. If you can get at least 80% of the way there then you are still in the game. Keep repeating sets until your performance starts to noticeably drop. Your body will tell you when you're done.

@checkitoutdewd

4 ай бұрын

Then how much rest? Mentzer was paranoid about overtraining.

1 set of everything 3x a week actually works.

Mike is the most unhinged fitness influencer ever 😂

Damn, Dr. Mike and I are the same age. We're old...

Whilst I agree about outdated techniques I think the oldskool methods are still relevant. Take boxing for example, legends like Hagler had stamina for 15 rounds. The current guys are doing all types of new shit but they're not as good. I think ability must be similar but the new training methods haven't improved boxers.

I train to failure and it works just fine for me but I guess everyone's different

@lukasadamson6091

2 ай бұрын

Youre misunderstanding something. Mike is always striving towards and teaching the "best" (at the moment empirically backed by research) way of training to get the maximum out of it. Even training like some of the worst rated people on his channel will probably get you and most other people jacked. But there's a varying chance that it won't get you maximal results and you will get hurt in the process. That's what a lot of people can't comprehend about the fitness world on KZread. There's a ton of material on training but you not only have to filter who is educated on the matter and who's not, you also have to filter who the target audience is. Mike definitely targets athletes and experienced lifters. And in the rare moments he doesn't where he talks about basic movements he still teaches the current sientific consensus on max gains - wich only really matters if you aim to get a stage physique.

One point on Mike Mentzer, regardless if his philosophy is "optimal", what I can tell you is that his philosophy can motivate a lot of people that won't be motivated by a science based approach. People that otherwise would be absolute couch potatos suddenly feel like going to the gym and smashing weights and maybe after a couple of years they'll change the way they are training. Afterall you both also admitted having false beliefs when you started out. That's why I have to give the trend some serious props.

@98danielray

4 ай бұрын

his approach is sold as "science-based" though or at least it used to be. uses the same kind of discourse

@proeuropa1783

4 ай бұрын

@@98danielray yeah, but it isn't. The Mike Mentzer approach reaches people more easily because it is relatively simple and it tickles their lizard brain. Just go all out, everything you got. That's appealing to a lot of young guys. Talking about reps in reserve etc is not something they get motivated by. After some time lifting it might be the opposite though.

13:50 it's the same shit with baseball. people think approaches from the 1980s are 10x better than today it gets so annoying

Elvis ate hamburgers for breakfast,lucky guy

When people come in and train with Mike and Jared it's almost all to failure and beyond with intensity techniques......sooooo why would he say the opposite I'm confused

Only seen 2 of your videos so far but i just keep seeing a beefy Davante Adams

Some People Still Think Training to Failure is Key. Thank God i discovered Dr. Mike and Jonni to tell me to Leave 1 Rep in the Tank.

@checkitoutdewd

4 ай бұрын

And you think you're making better progress than someone who goes to failure? Maybe you're just being sarcastic.

@sheldoncooper8199

4 ай бұрын

@@checkitoutdewd I never said that. I know a Guy that is 30 he always goes to Failure and he looks amazing.

@smilloww2095

4 ай бұрын

​@@checkitoutdewdNo but hes probably making better progress than himself if he had kept doing all sets till failure

I don’t want to drive a Tesla though

Wait I shouldn't be training to failure every set?

I just can't see how heavy duty can work for everybody ( Genetics ) we are all different and many Franco said Mike trained like everybody else when not recording so how much was right on or how much was trying to start a (CULT)

1:52 I never come all the way down my chest

Jonni are you going to the Arnold

1 thing if not the biggest factor about mike mentzer that nobody seems to address is his condition. The hit stuff probably worked great for him because he had already built the foundation doing all sorts of other workouts

What’s the beat name at the end?

yessirr