Oh no Who hurt you, Doge? That park/vet analogy sounds...oddly specific.

@Xokoy

Жыл бұрын

He needed to get his shot somehow.

That first DM sounds like someone who would make the fight with the BBEG a game of Gwent instead of combat.

@77Zenin77

Жыл бұрын

Imagine playing Gwent with the BBEG to determine who win the final boss fight. 😁

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

Real life quick-time event for a fight with a monk BBEG: *dodge these hands!*

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

*Caravan

@77Zenin77

Жыл бұрын

@@PancakemonsterFO4 Gwent is better

@Andi_Frost_XPR0PR18

Жыл бұрын

That could be a fun, jokey, misdirection, but don't make it the only option.

By the Gods, the DM in story one channeled his inner Board James to set up those board game puzzles.

@brianvance1178

Жыл бұрын

I know his players were upset about it, but I think it was a genius idea in general. He should have let them roll a gaming check though, if for no other reason than to identify the game before them. If it was a chess board then all the players could have rolled Int and Dex checks, and the player with the highest rolls in both would play the game against the dm, which in-game would be like playing against the board itself Harry Potter 1 style

@tuomasronnberg5244

Жыл бұрын

@@brianvance1178 That sounds incredibly boring for the other players to watch a chess game in the middle of a rpg session. Besides, what if the player who rolled the highest doesn't know how to play chess?

@brianvance1178

Жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 okay, what if the chess pieces were more like the cursed chess set from DMC3? Life sized demonic chess pieces that try to kill them and move like their irl counterparts. And the room they’re in forced the players to move like chess pieces themselves in order to fight the demon pieces. Characters with a tank build would have to move like rooks, healers like bishops, dps magic users/ranged fighters like pawns, and dps melee fighters like knights

@PancakemonsterFO4

Жыл бұрын

They should be happy they got away before he locked them up in his house

That Dragonbone armor was bullshit. If you do not want players to have this shit, SAY NO

Regarding the armor story, it was the DM's idea for the solo adventure from what I understood. OP didn't find it fun and wanted to get back with the party ASAP.

About the 1 Month solo quest: I don‘t think OP is selfish here because it had to be the DMs idea in the first place.

Hmm...cursed dragon armor could be fun, say if you had to negotiate with it to let you use it. Like... Player: C'mon, we knew each other for five minutes. surely there must be someone else you must hold a grudge against. Armor: Well... I did always hate my brother, but I never got around to killing him. Player: Are you trying to set me up? Armor: Well, more setting up for a win-win. If either of you dies, I'm happy. Also, the occasional shower from you would be nice. You reek something awful.

I ran a scenario once where the PCs got pulled into a sort of "dream dimension", and they had to play various mini-games in order to escape (based on bowling, horseshoes, and beer pong). But I made sure the games were short, and if they'd wanted to fight their way out instead, I would've let them. It was a fun little break in the middle of an otherwise straightforward adventure, and the reaction when I pulled up the image of the beer pong table was priceless.

@Vivian-eo3qc

Жыл бұрын

Goode

In the black dragon bone armor story, I don't think it was selfish of the op to go off on that side quest.. I think it's more proof of that dm's pettiness and trying to dissuade op from having the armor made.. they could have easily had it take less time to find the other materials needed and someone to make the armor

@airtonevch

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, like the Dm could have amde that side quest really brief, instead of just keeping OP apart for so much time

@therealmaizing5328

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. It was the DM who was responsible for the side quest taking that long, not the player.

@kyletucker3811

Жыл бұрын

That's not even mentioning the Six Months he spent sticking with the party saving up gold and scraping by. After that, of course he'd spend however long it took to actually get it made.

The board game within D&D is kind of cool, but only if you get player buy-in. On the dragon armor, the DM should have given the party quests that would advance the armor-crafting... and slow it down to the point that it would not be OP by the time he got it.

@Karajorma

Жыл бұрын

Or just make it not OP and have it gain power with more enchantments as the player levels.

@Captaincory1

Жыл бұрын

@@Karajorma he could have used what he came up with to make it completely useless to instead scale back the added benefits until the dragon found the character worthy of them

@Karajorma

Жыл бұрын

@@Captaincory1 Yeah, that could have been pretty cool. Maybe make it a redemption story for the evil dragon as it learns not to be selfish and learns to see the advantages of being a good person.

As someone who has seen a book covered in tanned human skin in real life it's pretty easy to tell it's human. It was a pocketbook in the Edinburgh surgeons museum and the 'donor' was the infamous resurrection man Burke of the Burke and Hare duo.

That first story would be like reading a Manga about all games only for it to switch focus to just one card game. Although that did work once...so maybe someone could make it work.

@Normaschthewanderer

Жыл бұрын

At least the manga switched back and forth a few times to not let the card game eclipse the series altogether.

@kyletucker3811

Жыл бұрын

Said Manga series, that's totally hypothetical, might be awesome if it was remade to be a more serious anime geared towards an older audience due to the insanely high stakes games of life and death.

That’s actually a great idea for a dnd puzzle type situation. “Before I allow you to pass, one of you must defeat me this, a game of my own design”. Then at least one of the players has to beat the puzzle master at Catan. Of course this goes from great to a horrible idea if you’d already been told out of game that nobody wanted to play Catan that day.

In my very first D&D game way back in 1985, we had to solve the puzzle that was in reality the game "Mastermind". The DM handed us the "board" and, as the dragon in the adventure, said, "You have twelve chances to guess which gemstones to press to escape this dungeon." I loved it and the other two players did, too. We managed to guess the right combo on the eleventh try lol

The monk is the most obvious victim in the third story, IMO. They were low-key getting emotionally abused.

i feel so sorry for the first dm. He put so much time and effort into it

@mikaneko

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but pulling at "Hey guys do you wanna play a board game?" "No, not interested." "Guess what you're going to anyway." is kind of dickish.

The doge is a proud cat dad!

If I'm out with the lads and I someone says "Hey, your jacket looks like it's made of human skin", the person who says that is way more suspicious than the person wearing the jacket.

@dorianleakey

4 ай бұрын

AHH, nah.

Jerry wasn't an agent of chaos, he was just acting stupid. Doing, "random things lol", isn't being chaotic, it's being stupid.

The OP for that last story sounds like his head would explode if he tried some of the darker campaign settings.

Uuuugh Alice is soooo cuuuuute!!! I love grey tabbies and colorful tabbies. She's a type of tabby right or am I just being dumb? Either way she is the cutest of the batch but I love them all. And Doge, of course. Doge gets all the head pats for being the goodest boy!

@aquaticcatfey

Жыл бұрын

Alice appears to be a brown tabby (brown/gray-brown with black stripes). Interesting bit of trivia: that's "wild-type" cat coloring (and is often very pretty and looks like wood grain).

3:40 On that note, you wanna go to the park?

The story about the dragon armor annoyed me. I love making custom equipment for my characters that level up with them. If my player brought that to me I'd likely work that dragon's wrath into its features. It is an intelligent magic item that hates you. You have to roll charisma saves or social checks to use the armors power. The player can then have a fun side story of charming their armor into working with them as a friend.... And this unlocks EVEN more power for the armor. The point is the player invested in a cool item concept and should get their moneyed worth in game and get a unqie story out of game.

@canislupusfool

Жыл бұрын

Yoink! Seriously though, that is an excellent idea. Great work!

@unluckyone1655

Жыл бұрын

Dude, that's brilliant

@yugimon1208

Жыл бұрын

You could do something similar to Naruto and the Nine Tailed Fox. At first the dragons wrath could be an ability that boosts the users power but cause them damage. Then as they learn work together they could begin to be able to use some dragon abilities.

@phatcavy98

Жыл бұрын

@@yugimon1208 good idea, but most of my players are avid Berserk fans and if I gave them any weapon like the Dragon Slayer or the Berserker armor it would quickly devolve their character into Guts.

As usual, all these stories could be solved with better communication skills and empathy for your fellow players. But the armor story... Man, the player worked hard for that gear. I'd let him keep it even if it was OP. After all... It doesn't help Saves it seems, so it's not that OP.

@falxblade1352

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and at the very least I would have done a 3e style intelligent item that grows with the user

There was a quest in Baldurs Gate 2, where you had to stop a serial killer, who made a magical armor out of human skin. If you are really evil, you could take the armor for yourself. Maybe the players from the last story got their idea from tehre. Still it is disgusting.

Hey Doge - good to see you again. For the second story, in my head the guy looks like Charlie Day (Always Sunny) and just before being popped out of the airlock he shouts: Wildcard! Okay Alice, considered it a liked video - you are soooooo pretty.

I died laughing at the going to the park but stopping at the Vet. As for the human skin coat... There is ummm Angelskin in pathfinder 1e which is a good way to hide your evil alignment. So ummm isn't entirely weird, not like murdering people to do it yourself tho.

I had a DM sort of do what the first DM did, switching out D&D with something else entirely. He decided that our characters had to win a card game to get passage on a ship, but he didn't want rolls, he wanted us to play Fallout New Vegas's "Caravan", something *none* of us played.

2nd to last one: I read that as a story from a problem player's standpoint. The guy is doing solo quests for 6 months to obtain items that op agrees is broken for their level. The armor not being able to be used is a bit of a jerk move, but I suspect if the dm told this one they would frame it the same way as a dm that actually plays out guards hunting down a murder hobo player. Generally, dm's do not care how powerful a character is; we got infinite red dragons in the back. The issue is usually players that like to blow past the power curve generally want opposition to be on the scale the game thinks they should be at; ie they want to hunt goblins with spears from a gun ship with automatic firearms; they tend to cry foul if a another gun ship comes along. This is fun for all of one session, then everyone gets bored and leaves.

@TheNewRedOne

Жыл бұрын

There was a MUCH simpler solution to this. The DM says no. They have the authority. And since, by accounts, it's not the first time they pulled this kind of bullshit on the players...

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNewRedOne oh, jerk move to do it, this is like a dm making a murder hobo go through an unwinnable situation where the guards chase down, torture, and kill the PC. I just meant to imply it was understandable after doing a 6 month solo side quest to break the game, by his own admission.

@TheNewRedOne

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher the very idea of pitting a black dragon again a party of lvl 3s is sus by itself. Yes, it would have been a dmpc moment... But it already was. The DM could have just said no at any point, scaled back the power of the armor, or even make it an interesting curse with its plot... But decided to scam the player out of his money and time.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@TheNewRedOne depends on what kind of game they ate playing for a dragon encounter at level 3. The dm might have meant it as an rp encounter that the pc's tried to solve through violence; do not know. The op is pretty light on details for the 6 months in game, so it might have been foreshadowed and the op just ignored it. Had every npc warn a party they were not ready for a red dragon fight for 2 sessions once, and they still wanted to, "see what happens." They were level 5. The armor is curses, but he and the party are the only ones that cannot use it according to op. Sounds very valuable; the sort of thing they could sell to get greater money out of than he put in. Plus, if the dm is using Vanrichten's Gouild to Ravenloft, the curse should be able to be broken with an appropriate quest to get a condition. Maybe that quest would make it level appropriate once they finished it?

I had a Dm who was constantly trying to trick us into playing different games. Funny thing is it wasn’t board games like this he was trying to slowly force us to play a different system that no one but him wanted to play.

So Jerry played real-life Among Us

With regards to the dragon armor story, I didn't get the impression that OP wanted to go off on a "solo adventure" to get his dragon armor, it came across like this was just the only option the DM gave him to do that. Terrible DM, though. One of the worst things you can do (imo) is run two side by side campaigns and put half the people on pause for 2 of the 4 hours you play. Ends up with everyone checking out.

Story 1: nothing much to add. Taking a break would be ideal as DM didn't want to DM. Story 2: DMs tend to be overly optimisitc how players behave. The fact that DM had a line where problem crossed, he stopped him, is a good sign. it's not a sign of bad DM. Don't forget we are seeing in hindsight.

For the first story, hey having a session be a board game for the party's life sounds like an awesome idea. Party gets whisked away into a demi plane with a mad wizard or a demon and they have to play this game or suffer a horrible fate? That sounds like a memorable session to me. Problem is, DM wanted this to be the only thing going forward. Yeah I'd quit too. I feel for DM being burnt out (in one group we have rotating DMs for this reason) but come on, don't hoodwink your players like that because you miss board games terribly.

On the issue of the sidequest in the armour story I feel it was less a case of the OP being selfish and more a case of the DM putting the sidequest in the way as an extra roadblock for the player, possibly with the intent of getting the other players to side against that player for using up game-time.

he only had to go on solo quests for the dragon armor because the DM made him do it. So that was also on the DM.

Airlock the murder hobos sounds fun.

I mean, in the dragon armor story, the DM is the one that decided how long that solo mission would be, and even that a solo mission was required. That's on the DM, not the player.

Imagine the depth of player character being, "Must have human skin coat!" Not to get too dank, but atleast plan on skinning your enemies or revenge targets.

The 1st story the only campaign that canon contains a board game is dragonlance war of the dragonqueen

Honestly for the armor story Im assuming it wasn't the player that set up how long he would be apart from the party but the DM as another way of being petty. Dude literally wasted 7 months of one of his players time because...reasons.

I get the feeling that the black dragon dm was like "if you want that armor. Youll be alone from the party" as a petty way to diswade the op. Along with the 25k pricetag and the 6 months of wait it feels like he just tried making bigger hurdles that op wasnt meant to go along with

Sorry Doge, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the "near" last story DM! (The Dragon Armor one! Good god the human skin Buffulo Bill level shit!); Ultimately this had to be cleared with the DM and the DM LET him do those seperate sessions with him, so he didn't tire him out, DM KNEW what he was planning to do to fuck OP over as punishment for even THINKING outside the box as he did (that Dragon encounter! How can anybody have a "Poor DM" when ultimately HE'S the one planning and doing everything and it has to be cleared by him in the end anyway) I'm all for looking at both sides and being gray, but in this story it'se clearly black and white! DM being in the Black because of his behavior (OP leaving after that "prank" of DM is VERY Telling in how he was preceived if the other players got up too after that! DM just showed if he does this to OP as a "JOKE" for himself and Punishment to OP for thinking outside the box! Then he'll do it to the rest of him! I'm always happy when Asshole DM suffer the consequences of their choices! Losing their entire table for it LOL)

Do that first guy insisting on playing board games and not allowing them to just make checks really reminds me of a story that James and Megan read about a Shadowrun DM that literally forced his players to hack a Linux computer by writing their inputs on a piece of paper and he would write the response. Then they later had to actually play chess. Dude was a sociopath I awear

Imo the dragon armor plot wasn't OP's fault. I doubt he asked for a solo adventure.

Not to be pedantic, but the antagonist from "Silence of The Lambs", the one that murdered people and skinned them in an attempt to make a suit of human skin, was called Buffalo Bill, not Wild Bill.

Awww, man. That poor GM, propably desperate for some bordgames and his group is all like: "NO!" I feel sorry for him.

Imma point out the implied reason that it took so long for the player to find someone to craft it. Obviously that DM was intentionally drawing the process out because he didn't want the player to have the armor. That's why it took a month. Plus, I don't see how it's selfish of him to FINALLY want the payoff after spending half a year in real time saving gold to pay for it, going through hard battles with inferior armor, just to get that armor. I'm not really sure how you come to the conclusion that's selfish at all.

If I don't hit "like" my own kitties will judge me so I do it for the kitties 😺😺😺

I DM for my group weekly, but sometimes when I'm feeling a little drained or whatever, we go with board games or video games as a backup. I thought I might side with the DM in that first story, but no, that's very different.

Problem players in the last story definitely played too much Rimworld

I remember this game. I never finished it, sadly. As to the dragon armor story...okay. First of all, ever heard of a little thing called CR? Yeah, you can raise that. Also, give the enemies stronger weapons, maybe enchanted ones, or even better armor or tactics, if you want to make things more challenging. Second, are you f***ing serious?! If you're making your players go through six months of grinding and searching just to finally get something insanely cool, you should let them have that insanely cool thing. If nothing else, have friends of the dragon come after the PC for revenge; this makes for a great subplot, one that could actually add an interesting level of challenge to that character and player and the party as a whole. Don't just flip the player the bird and tell them that all of their hard work was for nothing. The player literally spent six months not playing with the party just so he could grind for this only to have the DM screw him 20 ways from Sunday. (Sorry, this just pisses me off.)

@TheNewRedOne

Жыл бұрын

Even worse is that, if the DM was really opposed to it, they could have just said no.

16:10 On the one hand, it sucks that the DM is being a prick. On the other, isn't it a bit messed up that these players are killing a sapient being and turning it into gear? I mean, the story at 17:55 presents that as a bad thing.

Stories like this makes me seriously question why players are not vetting who their DM is. seriously who does this? cursed armor that took him the entire campaign to get

Sadly this dm just sucked for doing that. Thing is, that's super cool. Like, if a dm needed a week off, but was up for playing board games, perhaps he could have made it a game within a game kinda deal. Like... what if he let your characters bet in game gold on rounds, making it so that you could still earn some DnD stuff by playing on board game night? That'd be a nice fun way to still get some dnd in, and perhaps jokingly do some in character stuff to make it all the more fun. Too bad this DM just... wasn't open with what he was really doing.

First storey dm that was under hand you were wrong.

"honestly a bit stunned that he would think this would be appropriate" This guy would have a heart attack if he was friends with one of the DMs that force rape on all the characters.

I think the board game story could have been handled subtly. If the dm turned the game puzzle into a 3 turn minigame instead, I think the party would have liked it more.

First one: a board game as part of a D&D game is fair. I remember some older modules that had them printed in there in the TSR day. Putting a board game is as fair as a dm putting a riddle or mystery in. I think rolling to get past a puzzle is like rolling to get out of a conversation or rolling an int check to see what you should do in combat. You are just playing dice at that point. That having been said, I think puzzles should have open solutions. If you are locked in a room by magic, the only way to get out should not be to do the one "right" solution. The op did not try kicking in the door, digging under a door, casting dispell, using demension door, burning the door, setting the board on fire (my players jump to fire a lot), cheating to speed things up, using the big table as a battering ram, waiting to see if the magic has a time limit, yelling "I do not understand the rules" to see if that summons the magic user that set the enchantment on the door, lighting a fire near the door to make whoever maintains this place to think there is a fire to put it out... I see this as op quiting because they are uncreative more so than a dm railroad. Riddles should promote unconventional solutions. My players also tent to like small mini games, but something as complicated as Catan is time consuming. I get them not wanting to play that sandwiched in d&d, but see above. I bet the dm would have not stayed the course if everyone was trying to dig out the floor or kept cheating to speed things along.

@tuomasronnberg5244

Жыл бұрын

It's dumb because it's clear that the GM wants to play a game of notCatan, while the players have no incentive not to collaborate and just pile resources on one of them so they can get that longest road achievement as soon as possible. It won't resemble the regular board game experience at all, and will also suck as a rpg session too.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 so you try to solve the problem another way; try to dig under the door, take it off the hinges, start a fire... If you met a lich that challanged you to a game of dice for your soul in character, why would combat not be an option? The op tried nothing and ran out of ideas here...

@tuomasronnberg5244

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher I'm not commenting on what the OP should've done, I'm commenting on what the GM shouldn't have done. The GM's idea was misguided, because his idea would never bring a satisfactory result to him or his players for the reason I described.

@rynowatcher

Жыл бұрын

@@tuomasronnberg5244 It was presented as a puzzle in game, so a non boardgame solution seems possible at this point. It really only becomes a horror story if the DM uses fiat to make it impossible to get past unless they play the game, despite all reason, and OP never got there. They never tried in the story nor did they talk to the dm about it not being what they were looking for, which is why I put more weight on op than dm in this story; they are doing nothing to improve the situation when it can easily be explained away as a misunderstanding. I still say, they are playing an rpg and the dm never broke the format of the game; it is a locked door puzzle. A lot of classic modules incorporate simple board games or have physical puzzles included, so this is actually a "classic" technique for D&D. I do not see this any different than a dm giving a riddle and a player walking away because they cannot just do an int check. Heck, I have done star wars games where we broke out x wing minis to resolve a space battle or played a hand or two of poker while the pc's and npc's had conversations in game that turned out well. Mini games can be fun, but not every attempt is a hit. It seemed like a bit of an overreaction to just leave as the OP never said they expressed dislike of the format and giving them opertunity to change next session given how they talked outside of game and OP knew the dm so long. I am all for people doing what they want, but this is like stop hanging out with one of your mates because they brought a chess board to the pub and asked for a game.

@tuomasronnberg5244

Жыл бұрын

@@rynowatcher But it being a puzzle was a lie, remember? The GM admitted that he had nothing else prepared for the session (because he thought he'd get to play a board game instead of running a rpg).

my hb for hitting ac attacker wins on a tie if the defender can rase ac on a reaction it goes to the defender.

the one with the armor is on the dm, I am sorry he is the one who measures it out and decided it would take a long time to make armor and a lot of gold and them make the player who is already spent the time and money on it just can't use it? that is unfair, I am sorry I would be with that player and leave.

Yea the skin coat story isn't that bad, just what players want and what campaign is about doesn't match

Am I first? Am I first?? Nah Idc. Also, the “road to victory” requires a bit of what the young Europeans call “Determinazione.”

I don't think op was wrong for going on the a month long quest. I mean the op spent while irl year saving up to do it I mean it could have ether mean. Hand waved or play an other PC will u look for a black smith. And if the dm. Don't want him to have that powerful of and item just. Be like dude I'm not read for u to have. Something this power this is what you can do. The dm atleast wasted a month. Spend all that time and resources. Dealing with crappy gear and saying ya you get nothing

Haruhi?

The first story pissed me off because OP says the guy is a good DM and friend and the one time he ask OP and the others to step out of their comfort zone because he’s depressed his board game group dissolved they tell him to fuck off. OP fuckin sucks, your DM puts a lot of time and effort into the game for you, play a board game with him once at least if he’s your friend. I know it’s sleazy the way the DM tricks them, but OP having a fit and quitting the session is literally something a child would do.

@newbienoah9461

Жыл бұрын

DM should have been upfront about wanting to play board games instead of dancing around it by dressing it up as a DND session.

@ChazMcRich1

Жыл бұрын

@@newbienoah9461 seemed like he told them a lot about how sad he was to not get to play board games at all tho. Sounds like the players were a bit bad in this too.

@ChuckPalomo

Жыл бұрын

Nah, being friends with someone doesn't entitle you to use someone else's time as you see fit. If he had asked them to play board games with him they might've agreed, but instead he tried to force them. That sort of amnipuation doesn't deserve to be enabled.

Storey 4 dm lazy ash,

aren't ttrpgs technically board games?

Story 1 - UPDATE! UPDATE! FALLOUT! Did everyone else bail on that whiny manipulative SOB of a DM? Did he throw a tantrum when he found out that no one was falling for his BS? Did he Cry? Inquiring minds want to know!!

honestly, first story doesnt sound that crazy, unorthodox maybe but, youre playing a game anyway, just do catan and move on, it takes like no time Last story though, shit rimworld players say

Oh boy, it’s a furry that reads Reddit posts in a monotone voice.

Storey 5 exescuse me Geen brothers but tbis games not for you. I suggest death by daylight our resident evil 7.