The first story: "Tactical Camouflage? What is this witchcraft?! Go back to your stabbing, Rogue"

@michaelmclaughlin261

2 жыл бұрын

Don't Rangers get the camouflage ability outdoors?

@realdragon

2 жыл бұрын

That's why UN have blue helmets, they don't have witches

@Orlando_Furioso

2 жыл бұрын

The US is full of witches and magic, so that's why the army uses camouflage

@65firered

Жыл бұрын

I guess he took the joke about camouflage turning you invisible WAY too literally.

@alphons1456o

Жыл бұрын

You heard it here first; Big Boss is a fucking fae warlock

"That sounds like some Fae magicky stuff." And here I thought that I just had bad fashion sense for six years of my life.

I know all that other stuff DM was doing was bad...but I feel particularly bad for his girl/friend/whatever. Based on what OP was describing (combined with DM's behavior with everyone else), with her sitting to the side being quiet all the time, hugging her knees, and then later snapping at OP in DM's defense, it sounds to me like she's in an abusive relationship with DM.

A super-pychic godlike emperor that you all work in the armies for? I guarantee that his whole "homebrew world that he's worked on for 15 years" is lifted straight out of Warhammer 40k lore.

Why would you try to stop your players from sneaking?? The best stories come from being creative and using their skills instead of rushing into each fight 🤦🏻‍♀️

@theyondant6088

2 жыл бұрын

"BeCaUsE I hAvE a StOrY tHaT tHeY hAvE tO fOlLoW!" Seriously, there are some asshat DMs out there that want to tell their story over the players', so they try and force their players to fit the predefined roles they made up, but are too lazy, cowardly and/or incompetent to actually tell their players they want specific character types.

@GhostBear3067

2 жыл бұрын

Fail the stealth check but succeed the intimidation check... YOU NEVER SAW ME!!!

Dang I didn't know Naked Snake knew how to harness fae magic by *checkes notes* putting on clothes that match your surroundings.

@davidspring4003

2 жыл бұрын

Wait...if Naked (and Punished) can use fae magic with simple camou...what does that make Solid's active camou?

@plottingrobot679

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidspring4003 Solid Snake tapping into ancient eldrich magic to look like the floor he's laying on.

Imagine having a great location and free food and still being pissy about having to drive to it. If it was such a hassle he should've chosen a better spot earlier

The first story's DM looking at soldiers wearing camo: "FAIRY GODPARENTS!"

@dianakosianka5344

2 жыл бұрын

He must be Mr. Crocker

Story1: sounds like what OP needs is just a cloak of evlenkind Main story: his psionic city sounds like the imperium of man, I thought psychers were hunted for... Reasons.

@blackgem12

2 жыл бұрын

They were back in the day. For good reason. nowadays they’re not so common and not too big of a nusance if they train there powers. So I guess the imperium tolerates them, at least untill the next big warp storm.

@tnexus13

2 жыл бұрын

Emperor needs his nomnoms.

@kyosokutai

2 жыл бұрын

Psionics are a dnd thing, has none of the stigma of psykers in 40k do. And are far far less awesome. - see, magic in dnd is granulated, schools, types, sources, divine, arcane, ki, psionics, DM is just pouring magic ketchup on everything and insisting everyone have some. - in 40k, all magic is psyker witchcraft, as all psykers twist physical and immaterial reality around them, wether it be summoning demons, raising the dead as mindless corpses, or shooting lightning and fire from their eyes. The inquisition makes absolutely no distinction beyond sanctioned or unsanctioned psyker. This psionic city is about as narratively interesting to me as a town that does nothing but cobble shoes. Novel but you get used to it fast... Also dnd did it first. Look up githzerai cities sometimes. Far more badass than this drek.

@dadab22

Жыл бұрын

@@blackgem12 It mostly depends on what planet if they get murdered or not. There are still plently of places where it's kill on sight. However, all psychers go through the black ships, in order to be either trained, killed, or used to power the Golden Throne. So while hunted to be murdered is not a garuntee, all unsanctoned psychers are to be captured and loaded aboard the Black Ships

The most "write a book instead" GM I think I've ever seen. If you have characters and a plot in mind, that's not a game. That's a story. So write it and leave other people out of it. But fuck this guy just for how rude he is. You don't go to someone's house, kick your shoes across their house, then undermine them at every turn by talking about how bad everything they have and do is. On that note, the one thing he and I agree on is that OP's basement sounds dope as hell.

I'm genuinely super concerned about the young woman, y i k e s. I really wish there had been a way to subtly pull her to the side and ask if shes okay because... it doesnt sound like shes okay.

@insertianameia2224

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously. Like id try to talk to her alone and maybe give her my number (im a girl, btw,) Though I'd be super worried simply because of how controlling he is. While he probably wouldn't accuse her of trying to cheat because I'm a girl, I've been in those shoes before and that doesn't mean he won't find another reason to get upset. When I was with my one, now ex, bf I had met a girl that lived up the st. I was 20 at the time. I thought she was closer in age to me but she was like 15. Whatever not that bad. We talked for like, maybe 8min? If that. We decdied for me to come hang out the next day. He found out and flipped on me and accused me of trying to start a prostitution ring with this chick. Because apparently that's the sort of conversation you have with someone that you meet for the 1st time and can be a conversation that starts and ends in less than 8min. It's amazing how controlling ahats (guys or gals) will twist things to make you look bad. He also made up a bunch of lies to tell her so she wouldn't want to be my friend. The next day when I saw her, her and her friends started making fun of me. He had lived in the area for over 10 yrs, so she had known him since she was like 4 or 5, so of course she believed what he said over anything I said.

OP's game room sounds like a place I'd pay to get a one shot in. My goodness.

I hope that young woman is okay. Honestly, that sounds like some abusive shit

@icecreamnoodles3742

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah ...

@ShyyGaladriel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m worried about her.

The DM in the last story was just trying to create an emotional debt with his complaining. Blaming others for problems outside of their control, and expecting special treatment in return for it.

@akmi1931

2 жыл бұрын

Either that, or fishing for a free taxi service

Obviously player characters should usually be designed to fit with the setting they're gonna be in, but why would any DM want to force them into such specific roles? Half the fun as a DM is seeing what your party comes up with.

@Orsonfoe

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing nthe DM wants to tell the story and is forcing characters he made onto the players. Or he wants them to play a certain roller for his dmpc.

@hdnfbp

2 жыл бұрын

When you're locking players to certain classes, backstories or etc, you should tell them before they join, the guy most likely wanted to play warhammer but found no one else to do so

Am I the only one worried about that girl the dm is crushing on?

@Lili-ib2rh

2 жыл бұрын

No, i'm too.

@starbird3939

2 жыл бұрын

She is either: A) A sugar baby B) A young college girl this dude is grooming C) A high school girl the dude is definitely grooming

@K_i_t_t_y84

2 жыл бұрын

Her body language and behavior reminded me of me when I was in an abusive relationship so yeah, more red flags than a matador.

@HydraxSly202

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely not. Screams abuse and grooming. I hope she is okay now. :(

@360entertainment2

Жыл бұрын

The guy is most likely grooming her, he probably found her sitting alone somewhere and said some stuff to make her trust him and now she’s stuck until she can get away from him.

I have a friend who I found out after a few years of being their friend they had been in prison for several years for something. They were not the one to mention it, their brother did, and I just happened to be there. Most ex cons don’t bring that kinda thing up in conversation. They ESPECIALLY don’t like to talk about what they were convicted of.

Some of these people have some god level PATIENCE. I would not be the one!

@xionkuriyama5697

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I swear, these OPs could be canonized by the church for the patience and mercy they show. Imagine showing up to someone's house, admitting to being an ex-con with no prompting or details on what you were in for, and then insulting their house.

Despite that GM having been an ex-con, I'm still fairly certain they were just a spoiled 10yr old....

@mrroboshadow

2 жыл бұрын

well considering the OP describes him as backpedaling immediately when called out and when OP mentions being an MP, the GM was probably lying probably thought he could gain "cool points" or intimidate the others

On the third complaint about the drive to the location, I'd have said personally, "Okay, I'll pick up the house and move it closer to you next week. How's that?" Seriously, how many times can you harp on something that's clearly never going to change?

If I were host I would have tossed DM out on his ass the second he started complaining about my house. "If you don't like it we have another option, the door"

While this isn't strictly a "D&D" story, it is worth noting how often real life issues and in-game issues tend to intermingle, and I'm not just talking about people who bring their out-of-game grudges into the game (or vice versa). Someone who's controlling in game is probably also pretty controlling in the real world. Someone who doesn't respect women in game probably has some issues with misogyny out of game. There's plenty of exceptions, of course, because some people like to roleplay scumbags, but if someone says they're running/playing a super good person and they're five seconds from going full murder-hobo at any second, you may want to give them a wide berth.

the entitlement is *legendary.*

it's been said already, but in the opening story, OP didn't need to homebrew a magic item for what he wanted, he could have asked for the cloak of elvenkind, it's basically active camouflage and the DM would have been full of crap to deny it seeing as it's an uncommon wonderous item. Aside from that, DMs that go out of their way to make a player character useless at the one thing they're made to do, or make that one thing pointless for the campaign are just dicks. If the DM didn't want stealth and sneaking to be a big part of his campaign they could have told OP from the jump so they didn't waste their time. and I feel like DMs that "nerf" classes do so for the sake of making their own encounter-building easier. There's always a way to make a plot hook or encounter work for a party if you feel like someone in the group will just try to circumvent it. all of a sudden giving every npc and enemy eagle eyes and claiming camo is fae magic is amateur hour DM crap

I was in a game there the setting was stated from the beginning to take place in a magic school where we would learn magic. As a result the DM, FROM THE BEGINNING made it really super clear that no matter what, we had to have some magical ability or we would struggle to be able to participate in the game. Also, he was open to us starting at level three so that really opens up options for being able to cast. If this guy was going to make it the plot be "you all work for these psionic army", he should have told them! Magic school was really fun. Three out of four of us dumped Int. We became the dumb ass jocks of the school. It was glorious.

@assisttheIZFAS

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds like the Strixhaven module to me. Cudos to you guys being able to put a spin on the module and make it unique for yourselve.

@hiigguys7395

2 жыл бұрын

@@assisttheIZFAS If the DM based this off a module, I never knew. I think he was just going for "magic college".

Well, I guess all modern soldiers are fairies, with their fae magicky camouflage clothing.

“He’s an ex-felon who spent time in prison for drugs and violent crimes.” Cool. Cool. Wouldn’t have invited you to my HOUSE if I’d known that....but cool? How many red flags can one guy have before they ever even start the game?!?! Also please do a video on rogues. How to play it, how to use it, what to do and what not to do. It’d be really helpful I think!

If anybody came into my home & started screaming at me, I would kick them out without a second thought. Don't tolerate that shit, dude!

Yes, you need to make that video too.

To answer your opening question about rogues, sadly yes you'll probably need to make a video about DMs needlessly nerfing rogues... As for this sad excuse of a DM/human he should have been dropped after the 1st time at OP's house. The only whay you can become like a ranger with a soul knife is to go into the prestige class Soul Bow. But even then you can't even start taking levels in it until level 6 at the earliest. And even then its still lacking alot of ranger skills & abilities.

Funny stealth story: My rogue phantom used ghost walk to get into a castle, then sneaked around until she found the kidnapped queen, picked all locks on her chains and on the window, told the party via a sending stone to wait with our teleport scroll close to the window and then my character hugged the queen and they descended from the window (instead of a prison cell in the basement the queen had been kept near the local ruler's room because of her high standing) Also after picking the first lock I thought I had been discovered, so I dived through the floor into the library below where I hid on a bookshelf Well, apparently no one was actually coming to check on the queen and my evasive maneuver was completely pointless, in addition the local ruler was standing in front of the bookshelf, but luckily she did not notice me

@theuncalledfor

2 жыл бұрын

I don't see how that's supposed to be funny. It is pretty cool though. Phantom Rogues are awesome~

Sounds like the DM was jealous of OP's superior nerd terrarium.

Imagine letting go of a player that 3d prints terrain and grills for the first session. Bad DM and stupid DM Also terrible person

“You are on the fastest available route.”

Is the DM form the first story trying to actually run a campaign, or was he searching for hostages to play the part of unwilling actors I in his strange WH40K fanfiction of a world? We may (luckily) never now

This D&D session could have been an email.

Just how many red flags do people need to realize they don't need to put up with people. Edit: I typed this too soon. This story really made me realize why you don't invite people to your house before you really have time to get to know them.

Sounds like the setting takes place at Dollar Tree Commorragh. Or a mish mash of Terra and Commorragh.

All of this is just crazy. How do some of these people not have any manners?

"what's this about needing rogues?!" Me, looking at my 2 rogues who just literally went full Assassin's Creed/Metal Gear on my encounter and killed 4 out of 6 mages without breaking stealth until the last of the 4 lived by 1 health: Can't understand why :) ...also they did fire a dragon killer ballista and I gave them an insta kill because this giant fucking arrow spearing the mage off a tower...? Yeah xD

If you yell at me in my house I'm kicking out until you learn your manners, then you come back in

@360entertainment2

Жыл бұрын

Same and they better not dare try and do that “loom over you menacing” BS, I’ll literally smack them hard in the nuts and prep myself for a fight!

I had a DM that let me use Disguise Self as a camouflage technique. I said once " I use Disguise Self to make myself look like the forest around me" and we rolled some numbers and it was good. I used this with stealth rolls to lure away a primordial ice troll or giant we accidentally encountered while playing Rime of the Frost Maiden

Omg @ 7:50 when you said “He says no” it cut off at the no to play an ad, so I hear “He says when your credit card rewards are more complicated then your menu…”

Ffs I'd have lead him out of there as soon as his quip about the deck. People gotta learn that there's a difference between politeness and just being a doormat. OP and this party should not have had to put up with this guys antics for even a quarter as long as they did

This guy is real class. Throws around the fact he was an MP (no one in the military likes MPs), and states numerous times that he got "bad vibes" about the girl who was 20 years younger than the DM, but DOES NOTHING. Yeah. Sounds about right for a cop.

@CommanderWiggins

2 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity I looked up the original posts, he clarified in the comments that the relevant authorities were contacted. Still, there's definitely a disturbing lack of action on his part throughout the whole thing.

DM is a British soldier from the Colonies ca. 1776, confirmed.

A new Crispy vid just as I was wanting to see one. Makes the day much better

Sounds like he just wanted to write a book and witness people enjoy it as they read it.

Wait a minute no parking, narrow streets, and traffic? Was this in LA?

Huh. Didn't know every hunter and military in the world uses fey magic.

When you're in someone's house you need to have manners or it can become you are trespassing and force will be used against you.

He tells you who your parents are, what class to play and what your weapons should be? Nope, no thank you. From a known and trusted DM, sure, might be interesting, but from someone I don;t even know? Only for a one-shot, not a campaign. I'm here to play a character, not act in your novel/play... psionic...powered...motorcycle........no...... his attitude about you living too far? No. His attitude AT your house? There is no game, and he is OUT. The rest of the story is a series of nopes and no ways....

Op of the second story sound like a cool ass dude and he can cook I’d been grateful to play in his cool ass game room

funnily enough my group has buffed rogues by increasing sneak attack damage to a d10

Rogues aren't even actually that good from a minmax perspective lol. Bard does skill monkey better, and Sorc does low-risk attacks better.

@letsplaysvonaja1714

2 жыл бұрын

Phantom rogue can pick a skill to get proficiency and can change it every long rest Combine that with the rogue ability to never roll skill checks below 10 and you're pretty much set as long as you don't try to do several things at once

Imagine telling a former cop you were a felon

Where is the guy with that dope gaming room? I'll come play. I'll play whatever you want. That sounds like a wonderful environment to play in.

Anything you are meant to be good at becomes hard as soon as you roll the dice.

Man I want that one dudes game room

Jerks are irritating but at least a jerk is a jerk, there's no pretence about it. People pleasers, though, with their air of "GASP I only mean well and do my best to appease the lost case so they tell me I did fine, I mean, make everyone happy!" are just plain exhausting.

couldnt the gm just tell the party he wanted to run a psionic campaign?

Basic camo = Fae Trickery. Got it! XD

This sure was a trip o,o and i aint talking about the drive.

I want that gaming basement…

I think you need to address the stealth problem.

Intro story: Right, no humans EVER wear camouflage. Only fairies know how to hide. (This is sarcastic, in case anyone couldn’t tell.) Main story: Why. The fuck. Did OP and their friends stay in this fucking group? This DM is waving so many red flags you’d think he was a fucking bullfighter! Kick him! Let someone else-anyone else-DM! Grow a fucking backbone!

You are on the fastest available route.... To nowhere.

Main story: While I feel he was in the right in the end, there is some weird feeling of sus-ness I get from OP in this story. Might just be "don't trust cops" in action, tho.

SECRET TUNNELLLLL SECRET TUNNELLLL for one of the stories

W O W- 9:43 This is the point where that shitty asshole would have been booted- literally- from my house. Also, congrats on getting a PS5- one day I too shall have a next gen console... one day...

nerfing rogues seems stupid what little of games i've played still. I'm having a blast with my charismatic swashbuckler-rogue so far. he's not the best at stealing or stealthing by any means, but where he falls short in those, he is good at easing off tensions or pausing fights to woo his way out of situations. (has proven a laughable situation or two for my group too)

Main Story DM should just play Dark Heresy with all that 40k

worried about the young woman in that story 🥲

Protip : If you are a DM, and running your world you are all proud of... ...WRITE IT DOWN. Write it all down...timelines, nations, history, politics etc. Everything. EVERYTHING. Especially if you've been working on your setting for 15 years.

I'll never understand the fascination with psychionics that's swept over the game lately. I mean I'm fine with it I just don't understand the fascination.

@davidspring4003

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the psionic subclasses are pretty cool (at least flavorwise), but this guy's obsession is definitely taking it too far.

@falxblade1352

Жыл бұрын

@@davidspring4003 nah he wanted to play 40k in dnd for some reason

If the guy wasn't kidding about being ex-con, he at least acted better behaved than others that appear in such stories. Though that's only in terms of his attitude with the group. Can only imagine what he may be doing to the girlfriend. Either way, at least nobody got hurt or arrested. But man, who gets that riled up over a drive?

You're on the fastest available root!

you want the fastest available route

@andrejg4136

2 жыл бұрын

** looks at Local 58 Are you sure about that?

Why Dark Eldar? I mean, I guess they look cool, although I prefer the Craftworlder aesthetic, but the Dark Elves from DnD just look cooler in my opinion. They actually look like, well, dark elves and not just a group of normal elves that went evil. Although I'm not entirely sure if life underground would result in dark skin since that level of pigmentation is typically a result of...wait, its Magic, don't apply science to it. Wait, if the players don't have any impact, WHATS THE POINT IN PLAYING DND?! At that point you might as well go write a book.

kinda wish that the story with the gaming space psychic dnd, that the op stayed in contact with the girl and tried to help because that's just... you have to at least try. it's obvious she's being abused. i wouldn't be able to stand by and do nothing.

@newbienoah9461

Жыл бұрын

It's ultimately up to that person if they want help or not It's sad. But unfortunately true.

@rubyrose9367

Жыл бұрын

@@newbienoah9461 You speak truth, but the OP didn't even try to try.

So many red flags going on in that game

you are on the fastest available route

Guy at the beginning needs an elven cloak.

You are on the fastest available route

Was the DM high all the time or just cult-leader or BOTH? He acted like both. How does people like this maintain a normal life?

Oh damn this is like red flag central all over

Really dumb idea to get rid of sneaking.

You're on the fastest available route.

Congrats on the PS5 :)

Fastest Available route

Dude who is this friend, like Jesus christ yo a room dedicated to all things dnd, cooking for his friends, everything? Oh my God id be beyond honored to be there

who the hell can downvote a Krispy video

Your fastest root

Dm outpacin you over sealth/pick pocketing/combatI like to shame my dms by quickly calculating the lowest and highest cr a creature was by amount of hp and skill checks/attack rolls. Example: the monster goes down after 50 hp of damage. So it could be cr 3 (with max hp rolls and +5 and toughness) or 10 (5 hp per hd.) then you just work out BaB by attack. So can be like ‘wow that was a hard fight/high skill. He must be a level’

Lol dnd and fun what is this combination of magic?

Not sure what to think about OP in the last story. If I had a criminal record and someone's first reaction was to immediately state "no drugs or violence" like I was some idiot with no conscience, I'd be pretty put off. The DM had his issues, but I think there's another side to this.

S E C R E T T U N N E L

I don't know, I think the main story's fake. There's just so much flexing going on, everything's too perfect and the story reads like fanfiction; OP has a super neat set-up and he's clearly well-off, the guy in question reads like a stereotypical neck beard and the whole thing ends really anticlimactically as the guy and his twenty-something ride off into the sunset, never to be seen again. Another thing, apart from hosting the group, there was almost no interaction by OP in anything regarding anything. I can't think of anyone, particularly an ex-cop, who would let some random bozo walk into their house and be so incredibly disrespectful. And then to find out the guy is an ex-felon and do absolutely nothing? Yeah, no, I'm calling BS. OP's lying through their teeth.

@CrispysTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Yeaaaah… I cut a section where I point out these exact things. I think that parts of this are true, but there’s too much neat good/bad guy fit my taste. HOWEVER, I cut it because at the end of the day, if the story provides entertainment and a lesson it doesn’t what I suspect.

Channel 58

@CrispysTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Hear it’s a full moon tonight… you should take a look.

@nexttimeon5684

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrispysTavern …how about no

@CrispysTavern

2 жыл бұрын

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@theuncalledfor

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrispysTavern I dunno what the big deal is. So it's a little windy on the moon tonight, so what.

If you are not willing to host, don’t spend your time complaining about the host house being out of your way!!