That 'Bully the Warlock' moment was crying out for the response of 'Holy shit, do you have your hand down your pants?'

@lexcentrique2554

Жыл бұрын

I mean, seriously, he sounds like my antagonist OCs I tend to draw (No, I don't have a Deviantart, shoo!), some of them just being too eager to be huge bastards. I don't even think Mike had any ounces of sympathy towards OP, since he seems completely ready to cripple him, get him insulted, and have him face a humiliating execution. The fact that OP's friends didn't even move a finger at this is just beyond me. It HAS to be a made up story, otherwise that would mean that OP's friends are just Mike's other personas or something. I mean, is he even talking about the same friends anyways?

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

Honestly 30 years ago, when I was in the Navy, I would have just straight up beat Mike to within an inch of his life right then and there. But in those days we were face to face when we played and doing crap like that would have had immediate consequences.

_"I don't fault them."_ I do. They're all horrible enablers and I hate them almost as much as this "Mike" _unperson._

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

Me, too. When a character is literally letting a roll of the dice decide whether or not he commits suicide, just to end the bullying, they got it, for about five seconds, and then went back to enabling and denial. The whole group sucks, IMO.

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

Nah. I would want to have beat the cr@p out of Mike. Not the others. It's obvious they were suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Mike though knew full well what he was doing.

"I'll give you 10 gold to burn down this orphanage with the kids locked inside" Mike: "seems legit" "I need you to stop this evil dragon from destroying the world" Mike: "But is he REALLY evil though!?"

@dillongage

Жыл бұрын

Pfft. If burning orphanages down is evil I don't want to be good. 9 Hells here I come!

I honestly believe people who get mad at other people for being good at RP are just insecure and taking it out on them.

@gelbadayah.sneach579

2 жыл бұрын

I'd bet this is the case more often than people think. Sometimes I try to coax the shy players out of their shells with light interactions regarding things occurring in game. Whenever there's a nibble at an interaction, I'll focus on the things that grab their excitement and get them talking in character. (It's a little trick my mom uses to help shy kids to come out of their shell.)

@TheTruthx58

2 жыл бұрын

@@gelbadayah.sneach579 I love doing that, my favorite player is the newest one who started roleplaying and getting more into the game once I started showing them how cool the game can be, by nudging hooks in their direction.

@asthmeresivolisk3129

2 жыл бұрын

Based on his reactions and comments to the roleplaying I surmise this Mike character didn't like the RP for the following reasons; 1. They only really like the combat aspect of the game, which is fair since D&D is 80% focused on combat. But anything that doesn't let them test broken combat builds is really boring for this player and they hate sitting through it. 2. This Mike character seems to be very selfish and loves being in the spotlight. This is most obvious in how his DMPCs are OP and take the limelight. But it's also apparent in the following items: his dismissive/hostile attitude towards others, the fact he owns the server, the fact he caused the group to form in the first place and how railroaded his encounter solutions were. 3. The roleplay probably made him feel uncomfortable. He did make the comment on how the OP was being "melodramatic" with their naming. From OP's perspective it's harmless fun. From Mike's perspective it's pure cringe. Sitting through poorly voice acted scenes from amateur actors was probably as grating as watching cringy anime/cartoons for him. Now with that being said, I don't ever think it's appropriate to be a big baby about it, but it's worth trying to see things from the other perspective.

@TurkeyPillow

2 жыл бұрын

!

@YouWillBeHappyOrElse

2 жыл бұрын

@@asthmeresivolisk3129 You're assuming that Mike has normal personality traits, and not some sort of Axis-II disorder. Normal people don't cheerfully sing about how they're bullying someone, try to force people into a role that doesn't challenge their sense of importance, and take sheer delight in it. Also, I think you're making an interesting assumption that the players' RP is "poorly voice acted scenes" and cringe.

Mike is a schoolyard bully that never grew up. I can't guarantee I wouldn't have told him about himself. This is malicious targeting of a player because he didn't play the way he wanted. The curse that reduced healing would have ended with some less than friendly words and me being done with this game.

I don't think I'll ever be able to bring myself to accept "That's just the way he is" as a valid rationale for how someone acts. It's an excuse that can be used to hand wave literally anything and it only serves to stop a conversation about someone's toxic behaviour. People should be confronted and held accountable for acting self-important and childish. They shouldn't be coddled with the idea that there are no social repercussions for treating other people in a way you would never tolerate yourself. Otherwise, the person in question will always remain a man-child.

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

"That's just the way he is. You just have to accept it." "Well, this is just the way *I* am, and I'm going to make sure there are consequences. Guess you'll just have to accept that, too." "What? No! We can't do THAT! YOU have to accept stuff, not US!"

@YouWillBeHappyOrElse

2 жыл бұрын

Making excuses for someone demonstrating abusive behaviors is called "being a flying monkey". Yes, that's the term. Abusers often cover for each other.

@Mr.Spongecake

2 жыл бұрын

Apologist: "That's just the way he is." Me: "Well 'the way he is' is causing problems and he needs to either change or leave."

@whodis5444

2 жыл бұрын

Tldr: call people out on their bullshit so they won't have so much bullshit in the future

@randomsimpson

2 жыл бұрын

"That's the way his parents raised him" Or "That's the kind of adult he chooses to be" These lines put the blame where it really belongs, on the problem behavior, and the *people* responsible for it (although if they're an orphan, maybe don't mention their parents).

"Tomb of Annihilation is a horrible module designed to kill people." Nooo it's an epic dungeon delver with great adventure. You're thinking of Tomb of Horror.

@Astropeleki

2 жыл бұрын

Tomb of Annihilation is even considered a good module for a first time DM, so wtf Mike 🤣

@666Vampirefromhell

2 жыл бұрын

@@Astropeleki I'm about to DM for the first time and was gonna use the modules from Tales from the Yawning Portal. Would you say that's a good idea?

@allenyates3469

2 жыл бұрын

Tomb of horror is sweet for 1st level characters. Have everyone make a few back up characters and have a fun night in the meat grinder lol

@666Vampirefromhell

2 жыл бұрын

@@allenyates3469 Dude. That's pure sadism you're talking. I love it. 😈

@DrPluton

2 жыл бұрын

@@666Vampirefromhell Yes, Tales from the Yawning Portal has some good modules for new DMs.

Hey Mike, it's called a ROLE-PLAYING GAME for a reason!

@Raven-xt2uw

2 жыл бұрын

I know right Alison

@gigaswardblade7261

2 жыл бұрын

He was RPing as himself

@ECSDaemon

2 жыл бұрын

Mike had it confused, he thought RPG meant Roll Playing Game, when in reality it's Role-Playing Game. I'm seriously glad my first dive into ttrpg's was a Werewolf: The Apocalypse game of a friend who helped me learn to play the role of my character rather than just roll dice. Edit: the whole thing with the "Roll" and "Role" was something said friend used to help get new players in the group to understand that the game wasn't about just rolling dice. His exact words were, "It's role playing, not roll playing." All the while making gestures to highlight the difference.

@donatohunter

2 жыл бұрын

I mean after awhile I blamed the poster and the party for putting up for this for so long.

@krispalermo8133

2 жыл бұрын

@@ECSDaemon Werewolf: The Apocalypse, fun game, fond memories. Started one game as a Bonegnawler lupus stray street pup took in and trained as a seeing eye dog for an old woman. The game was all comic relief.

The combat focus isn't even the main problem here imo, the constant over-the-top disrespect would have gotten Mike an earful from me long before the climax of this story.

@seedmore2751

2 жыл бұрын

This guy hate him but is very coward to even admit.

@MogofWar

Жыл бұрын

A very common thread in these horror stories is OP being a total doormat.

@jakeand9020

Жыл бұрын

​@@MogofWar That's kind of a requirement, otherwise the story wouldn't exist, OP would have simply walked away before there was a "horror story" for them to draw inspiration from for these stories.

@PixelHeroViish

Жыл бұрын

@@jakeand9020 Funny cuz that can work as a "I called him out on his behavior calmly, but he didn't seem to actually get it. Then it got worse" type of Horror story instead, but yeah, the OP here should've confronted Mike loudly and ask the other players how they feel about it

16:30 - Seriously? Baldur's Gate having no temples is like saying a dwarven city has no taverns.

@animeotaku307

2 жыл бұрын

Or a halfling town has no good food.

@screwgoogle4993

2 жыл бұрын

Or a town of elves with no grannybait

@seedmore2751

2 жыл бұрын

This "Micke" just hate him and like all cowards he use the game to hurt him. I know A LOT of people like him unfortunatelly.

@blueskylark9965

2 жыл бұрын

Or that water deep has no political shenanigans going on…

@chazzwozzio

2 жыл бұрын

@@blueskylark9965 or that kalimport has no thrives guild

It always amazes me how much the OPs in these stories try to rationalize and placate obvious bullies and sociopaths. It's like trying to apologize to a guy when they hurt their hand while beating you.

@thatonepipsqueak887

2 жыл бұрын

These are the same kinds of people who will give irredeemable Villains a free pass because they're "Hot"

@Troublethecat

Жыл бұрын

@@thatonepipsqueak887 What the fuck? What does that have to do with anything? That isn't even remotely the same thing.

@Yume03

8 ай бұрын

@@thatonepipsqueak887you do realize that a lot of fans of irredeemable villains like them because they are villains 😅? The badness adds to the appeal for some people and there’s nothing wrong with this. If we’re talking fictional characters of course

@thatonepipsqueak887

8 ай бұрын

@@Yume03 Really tells you what kind of people they are.

I’ve been in this spot before where the DM was hulk-smash levels of green monster jealous because I’d produced a detailed character for their supposedly RP-centered game. (Was the oldest and most experienced of the group) DM went out of their way to target and bully my cleric in what turned out to be a TON of combat amid sparse RP for 5 sessions. Then even pulled the bit where I got separated from the group by “closing door trap” aka Indiana Jones movies. And then jumped by five monsters that were the WORST matchup for a robe wearing heal specialist. I went the opposite way from video’s OP, though. Cleric just knelt down and prayed to his deity… and died. Whole group was like, “why didn’t you fight?” And I just shook everyone’s hands and went off without a word. Game ended that session with full party wipe because the DM ganked their healer for being an involved player.

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

You are my hero!

@shawnorr6015

2 жыл бұрын

This. I'm not the type to be fuel for the pleasure of sadists, and I'm glad to see you aren't either. :D

@lexcentrique2554

Жыл бұрын

You're just a fricking genius. I bet that when your clerics pray to their respective deities, you hear said deities answering!

As a DM you should be a catalyst for other people's fun. If you treat your players like this you shouldn't be DMing

@seedmore2751

2 жыл бұрын

This "Micke" just hate him and like all cowards he use the game to hurt him. I know A LOT of people like him unfortunatelly.

@Thundarr100

2 жыл бұрын

Seed More as the late, great Gorilla Monsoon used to say on WWF television “Turn about is fair play.” I think OP should have volunteered to DM a series of adventures and give “Mike” a taste of his own medicine. Start handing out bonus XP for role playing. “Oh, what’s wrong Mike? Are you falling behind because you refuse to role play with everyone else? That’s too bad. Sad day for you.” Have every combat encounter be a little tougher for him than everyone else. Everyone else’s opponents are wearing leather armour, but Mike’s “just happen” to be wearing full plate. Everyone else faces only three opponents, but Mike is completely surrounded by six. And oh look! Whenever you roll a critical hit, it “just happens” to be one of Mike’s opponents that made the roll. Oh! And did I mention that I’m using the Critical Effects Table from the 2nd Edition AD&D book Combat & Tactics? Some of those effects are permanently crippling, and even lethal. Give Mike plenty of powerful enemies that he has no chance of ever defeating (at least not without somehow surviving to 20th level and gaining a shitload of magic items), Have monsters single him out constantly (like maybe an entire grove of Redneck Trees have taken a really strong liking to Mike for some reason, and are very intent on hearing him squeal like a pig). There are just so many ways Mike can be shown just how it feels to be on the receiving end of being bullied. Trust me Mike. You do NOT want me as your enemy.

Not gonna lie, if I was OP, I would have definitely not let him save face. I'm betting the next person who joined them got the same treatment as OP.

@TakuunX

2 жыл бұрын

Same, I absolutely would have tore into him for the scummy behavior. My brother is the same way and I cut him the hell out of my life.

"Hexblades are worthless." Okay, Mike. 🙄 They're only one of the most popular multiclass dips. Can't imagine why.

@catandrobbyflores

2 жыл бұрын

Just link any critical role clip of fjord being a bad ass.

@Kairos_Akuma

2 жыл бұрын

Jupp. 🤔 Wonder why!

Mike sounds like the type of guy that wants to be a bad ass in game because he was a massive wimp growing up. Games are not the place for that. Therapy is.

@nickbrothwood1238

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds rather punchable to me.

@Torgan454

Жыл бұрын

Mike would make the therapist cry

Mike just seems to be one of those people that is compulsively abrasive. I knew a guy like this that would always have an opposing opinion just to argue.

@tinniesealjiji

2 жыл бұрын

There's a difference between having a different opinion and being abrasive and directly targeting someone

@kikiblair5132

2 жыл бұрын

@@tinniesealjiji it can be both. Lol.

@seedmore2751

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, he hate him for sure. 100% sure he hates him.

@SonjaPond

2 жыл бұрын

YEP. my first and only DM was like this. His friends were all like “he’s just an asshole, it’s how he is” and I’m like ????? Why are you okay with this??!

I once got banned and blocked by a DM for saying "What the heck? this guy came from the same class as me in my school, he goes away for a week and now he can summon 25 Liches?! He must have some kind of patron or strong influence helping him to get this powerful this fast", and the DM immediately stopped the game and said "look if you're not having fun you can just go, I'm not running this game to get berated by you" but I was in character... I tried to explain that and he just wouldn't have it, I wasn't even insulting his game indirectly or anything snarky like that x_x

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

Even if you were being yourself, and not "in character," that is a completely valid thing to say. The DM could shrug and say, "No spoilers," while making it obvious that you're going to find out, eventually, just what happened to enable the guy to do that. But taking it personally and booting you? What a child.

@GuyverLycan24

2 жыл бұрын

No great loss, that action alone gives me "that guy" feels. You probably dodged a bullet.

@albertoroper4901

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, He could have read into your personality when you screamed what the hell without considering how the situation got to this place. I as a Dm would be pissed too, but I would have talked it with you privately after the session.

@PaladinGear15

2 жыл бұрын

@@albertoroper4901 I was talking in character :/ Slight overreaction for my character being baffled at walking into a room and seeing his former class mate with 25 liches.

@plottingrobot679

2 жыл бұрын

I'd say that's quite the valid response to seeing a guy you knew disappear for about a week and pull up with a lich family reunion behind him. 😆

I can see sticking around for a long time, out of sheer curiosity, to see just how bad a person can get, but ONLY if I can maintain detachment from the character, and view the whole thing as a sort of sociology experiment. If I could "watch" while "participating," and taking notes to make sure I get all the details just right, I could stick around for quite a while. But, if I was not detached and only sticking around for curiosity, I would have broken for another game, or no game at all, WAAAAY sooner. "Bully the warlock!" should never be sung by the DM who is cackling while he tortures and tries to kill your character, and as soon as he TRIED to claim innocence, OP should have sung "Bully the warlock!" right back at him, and ask him how that could POSSIBLY be an accident. Also, the "roll the dice to see if he kills himself right here and now over all this garbage" was good, and it worked. For a hot minute. And then, Mike and all his friends were in denial again. At that last game, where the final straw happened, I wouldn't have played the session to allow him to save face. I would have sung "Bully the warlock" at them all, while I packed up my things and left.

Mike is such a snot-nosed man-child. I personally think that OP should have got a copy or two of the Bauldur's Gate module and then talked in private with just other DM and show him that Mike is lying and being this way on purpose - even if there was a risk that the group could fall apart. Mike's actions needed to be addressed sooner. I digress, this is something that would be obvious in hindsight, so I don't fault OP for how he handled it. He tried to work with what he had the best he could, and sometimes, that's all that can be done. Hopefully Mike learns that he should not be behaving like a snot-nosed man-child.

Mike: "Ugh, Tomb of Annihilation is a horrible module designed to kill people." Me: "Oh, my bad, sorry. Here, let's run this one instead." *grabs Tales from the Yawning Portal and flips to Tomb of Horrors

@Kairos_Akuma

2 жыл бұрын

It... seems like alot of people confuse Annihilation with Horrors eh?

@stephaniejenkins7822

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kairos_Akuma newbie here who hasn't played a campaign yet, but what's the difference between Tomb of Annihilation and Tomb of Horrors? 🤔

@senpyrothewizard8172

2 жыл бұрын

​@@stephaniejenkins7822 Tomb of Annihilation is an epic dungeon delver with great adventure. Tomb of horrors is designed to kill you. And kill you. And kill you. And kill you. And kill you. And then you find the boss in a random room and the tomb falls apart after killing him so you have to escape. Only it turns out he isn't the real boss and also that was an Illusion. THE DM IS TOLD TO ACT LIKE THAT WAS THE END OF THE MODULE IF NOBODY SEES THROUGH THE ILLUSION. If you see through it, you get rewarded with some treasure and more ways to die. You can have the entire party die because you entered one room at the end of a corridor that fills with sleeping gas then runs you over with a steamroller. To progress at one point, you have to go down into a pit of spikes you can't avoid taking damage in and feel up the walls to find a hidden door that you *can't find with any other means.* The only way you can get through without hours of trying LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF and going through enough characters to fill a book is by ALREADY KNOWING WHAT TO DO. There is an area with fog that if you walk through changes your gender, and one that flips your alignment. If you try to walk through that again to fix it you get teleported back to the start of the dungeon completely naked. THERE IS NO REDEEMING FEATURES. If a friend suggests Tomb of Horrors, you *find a new friend.*

@stephaniejenkins7822

2 жыл бұрын

@@senpyrothewizard8172 Okay, noted. I'll stay away from Tomb of Horrors. I don't want to go through that many characters in one module, nor am I that much of a masochist 😅 Thank you for helping an ignorant newbie be slightly less ignorant 🙂

Ah yes how dare a person ROLE PLAY in a ROLEPLAYING GAME.

Shouldn't have let that go on AT ALL! Should have told them about the bs and showed them the reason they should have dropped him like a DEAD WEIGHT!!

Pretty sure I'd be antagonizing Mike to some degree, like if he complained about my roleplaying I'd respond with "aww you poor baby" then laugh in his face lol. If people are assholes to me I tend to respond in kind. And if he can't handle it, then he should learn to stop being one. And agreeing with you Crispy, OP is a masochist. I would've left a long time ago

I'm probably just petty but i definitely would have left after the guard gank and would have been more stern about the ultimatum. "No curse, I get to play my character as they are or I walk. We have an actual talk about whatever Mike's thing against me is or I leave."

I think I read this story somewhere before, but man, I feel for this guy. I have gone through quite a few campaigns and had some of the same stuff happen. Of course, I was young and edgy at the time, playing solitary characters (Rogue thieves, UA Wizards, and Orc Bards), and had no idea how to do backstory stuff; but I was fresh out of theater class and could improv very well. I agree this guy acts very similar to one of the DMs I played under, definitely a man-child. Hope y'all have a good day.

@Arcticmaster1190

2 жыл бұрын

Some content creators call this story “Bully the Warlock” (or at least Den of the Drake has, as well as ridiculed OP at first). Mike sucks as a DM and seemed to have it out for the OP, to his recall.

Some Problem dms: Roleplay? Ew! Thats cringe bruh! I never touch the stuff im my life! Actual great dms: yo, you wanna have a dank ass conversation for flavouring your experience? Maybe some... lore?

@lordfirst3419

2 жыл бұрын

Lore? where? yes please

@redacted606

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordfirst3419 (homebrew) The first phantasm was a paladin of the holy church that represented acceptance of all beings good and evil, holy and unholy, a church of redemption, the paladin feel during a battle with the true imcarnation of evil, but suddenly rose up and smited him in a flash of pure white light, the paladin looked at his form unable to recognize himseld at first, but then realising he wasnt human anymore. He was a siloet of pure white, with yellow glowing eyes, A phantasm. His will saved him that day. Amd thus sparked a new age pf defiance against the forces of death. This is the unofficial lore for my homebrew race. You get to see the ruff draft version 6. Id say 1 but ive been confused on it for a few years coming up with backstorjes for them. Race name: phantasm Genders: male, female, other Race Ability: physical immunity (immune to all non magical attacks from weapons lile fists or swords) undeath (rise after 10/20 turns of combat after being knocked out) Weakness: energy and magic type attacks.

@MissCaraMint

2 жыл бұрын

*Slips you a 20* «so I hear you got some lore.»

@redacted606

2 жыл бұрын

@@MissCaraMint dragon borne are actually mutants born from magical and experiments on dragon eggs. They look human because the magic was ment to morph their bodies, they can have higher levels of intellegence do to extreme exposure to many kinds of magic.

@asthmeresivolisk3129

2 жыл бұрын

In D&D where 90% of the mechanics focus on combat and combat alone. No thanks, I want to do what the system was designed for and fight things. Now in FATE, gimmie all dat phat lore!

How this should have ended: Mike: "Bully the war-lock, bully the war-lock, bully the WAR-lock, dun dun-dun DUN!" OP: *quietly gets up and gathers his belongings* Mike: "Wait, where are you going?" OP: "Away. Bye." Mike: "But...how do we continue this scenario?" OP: "You're the DM. You figure it out. Bye." Mike: "You're just a sore loser!" OP: "Lose? I didn't know this was a competition between us. Extra-bye."

@linda-0587

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

manchild. I've been put in this situation once before and my exit was not nearly as graceful. After 10 or so rounds across seven months, i had my character acting very dangerously so they'd get killed and i could leave without causing a fuss. I was called out, i said how i felt i was being bullied by DM and players in and out of game, big argument happened, my ride home left without me and I had to walk a mile or so in cold winter fog to the nearest bus stop to get home. This event was part of a rift that tore the friend group apart soon after.

"My playstyle is more roleplay heavy, with Rogues and Warlocks being my favorites for the Charisma focus." Now I may just be a pea-brain over here, but I don't think Rogue's are a charisma focused class. Though if they are, that might explain what I've been doing wrong...

@darkestccino5405

2 жыл бұрын

If you fail at pick pocketing, you want good Bluff to gaslight them into thinking you never tried to pickpocket them and they're just imagining it.

@NA-xx5tz

2 жыл бұрын

Or intimidation.

@aurora5481

2 жыл бұрын

The quick-build guide actually does recommend Charisma as a secondary stat unless you're planning to go Arcane Trickster, and suggests the Charlatan background. The Assassin in particular benefits and gains things to aid in Deception checks, and rogue as a class is one where if your Dexterity fails, usually your next best chance of success will be with Charisma. Not to say that they _need_ Charisma, but it's a class that benefits from it greatly. And what are the odds of that you're _not_ gonna put at least one of your four expertise into social skills?

@wadekuiper623

2 жыл бұрын

Well charisma is very useful for the Mastermind subclass.

@aurora5481

2 жыл бұрын

@@wadekuiper623 Swashbuckler too.

I feel for this guy, I have never been allowed to roleplay as I want. I always wind up back in the position of "designated smart guy" because the only group I had played with were as dumb as a rock. The last campaign I could stand to be with them, I was a charisma heavy warlock and all I could ever roleplay was "you idiot, can't you piece together the answer to this mystery? We found the murderer like two sessions ago" because the DM kept asking me to solve everything and our artificer with the highest int kept trying to f*ck every person in sight to get cool new trinkets.

Adaptation is key to good D.Ming in D&D.

@NA-xx5tz

2 жыл бұрын

Manchild

Of course nobody heard you killing that guy on the second floor, they just can't overhear that, when skyrim/dmc music pounding that loudly xd

Mike is totally in the wrong here. However, there is a way for GMs the work out a compromise if you find yourself in a similar situation. If you have one or two players who love heavy combat and more who love heavy RP. Back when I had a steady group of six plus me. We would play once a week or sometimes twice a week. Two of the player loved heavy combat and the rest plus me like heavy RP. So once or twice a month (depending on how much we played during the month) we would do a meatgrinder style game and the rest of the time was more geared tword RP

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

Balance! What a concept! It's a pity more DMs and players don't understand that. They understand the concept of "turn-based adventure," but not sharing?!

"Mike. Did. Not. Like. That" Law and Order SVU ad comes on. lole the timing

I ditched my last D&D group after they convinced me to come in, roll any class+race I wanted, pick any spec and skillset I wanted, and then promptly put me in a melee heavy underground dungeon where my flying, spellcasting character was useless. No one in the party could heal. No one. I dipped after that, citing work schedules so as not to lose friends.

Made an excuse to save Mike's face? I'd have put the dude on blast right there in game. Intentionally hamstringing, targeting over all the other targets, then spawning enemies right on top of the player at the gate. No dude, I'd straight up name and shame in front of the whole party. Then add in that another friend playing the same thing pointed out in the actual module that any temple in Baldur's Gate, could remove it for near free.

When people show you who they are, believe them. He literally sang about how he bullies the warlock. He lied about the curse etc. Some people need some spine. "Lift my curse. If you are not happy with my damage output for some other reason than you being petty, we can discuss new numbers for my character. But shelving me will only make me not return here." Done.

Text: to see if my character kills himself on the spot. Crispy's narration: commits sudoku on the spot I don't think a number puzzle is likely to kill someone in the circumstances described. Maybe Seppuku is the word you wanted?

@BlazingKhioneus

11 ай бұрын

I think thats the joke/censorship

@sherylcascadden4988

11 ай бұрын

@@BlazingKhioneus ah, yes, You Tube is sticky about things like that.... I should have remembered.

@41217beingbored

7 ай бұрын

Although it is funny to imagine a character stopping the guards that are straight up murdering by sitting down and pulling out a book of sudoku.😅

_"I'd finally come to terms with the fact I didn't like playing with him"_ *Me, listening to his 20 minutes story:* "...BULLSHIT" This dude was a masochist.

Crispy: "Life is short; DnD is long." Me: "Ah, I see we have found the modern-day variation of 'Ars longa, vita brevis.'"

Ahh, I recognize this story. I think Den of the Drake covered it as well. It's funny, but during his review, Drake said he though OP was being whiney and was bragging about his skill at roleplay, as well as betraying Mike's trust when OP went to the rest of the group to see what they had to say about his in-game conduct. I dunno, what do you think?

@ebenezerboateng5915

2 жыл бұрын

Den of the Drake is an interesting character. While on one hand I can respect him for trying to anylze the OP's wording to figure out their true feelings on the problem being discussed, but on the other hand I find that he seems to reaching for things that arent even there with some of his criticism. (Link to story Im referencing kzread.info/dash/bejne/omdok9egY8KsfJs.html) In his latest vid, one of the stories discusses an issue with a couple having a baby thats iritating the group, but they all dont know how to handle the situation because the couple uses their house to game. And in my opinion the story felt like a group of players in unknown waters on how to properly confront a problem they are not equiped for, but Den says they're being awful for having a problem with the couples baby, and makes a low hanging furit joke a Chris-chan in the process. Now its possible this could be some silly trolling and everything he said he didn't mean but Im not sure.

@animeotaku307

2 жыл бұрын

@@ebenezerboateng5915 Oh thank God I wasn’t the only one. I honestly felt that the story was the rare case of No Assholes Here. Hosts had a baby that they couldn’t find anyone to watch and parenting comes first, I get that. But I can also understand the group’s frustration at their game time getting cut into. Thankfully the group found a solution that made everyone happy.

@ebenezerboateng5915

2 жыл бұрын

@@animeotaku307 I completely agree with the "No Asshole Here" badge, and I'm glad they solved the situation as well. A nice happy ending for the group.

@CrispysTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Drakes a great guy, but hard disagree. Is the OP “whining”, sure. I would be too. Also, while *ideally* everyone would be great at confronting their bully, that’s simply not the case. Nothing wrong with getting a few folks in your corner. ESPECIALLY, if you’re not sure if you’re actually in the right. Second opinion is a valuable thing. Is his RP descriptions over the top? Not really. He’s proud of what he does and is speaking anonymously to a faceless audiences. Just because he presents himself like this on Reddit, does not mean the same applies IRL.

@ebenezerboateng5915

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrispysTavern While I've was never in a situation exactly like OP's, I have been in a situation were I was targeted and confronted the issue as calm of a manner as I could. Both with the aggressor and owner of the server, but in the end I knew it was best for me to leave the their server as we didn't not click. I'm glad OP finally left, but I do wish hed recognize early on that this person was too toxic to be around. But hey at the end of the day it could have worse. At least he found a new group to he connected with, always good to end on a happy note.

Listening to these DM stores makes me wanna become a better DM so I don't make the same mistakes that I hearing from these stories.

I very much dislike this binary people have created between roleplay and combat. A few years of Pathfinder, a game practically designed around munchkins, has shown me that both can be mixed competently. My most powerful character to date was simply nicknamed Frank. Primarily because he was a Trox and his real name was just me making the most obnoxious sound I could think of then saying "But you can call me Frank" and then never saying his actual name again. A joke I admit was only as funny as it was while within my close friend group, I wouldn't recommend doing that in any group you don't know well. Since I was bringing him in at level 12 to replace my last character I took the liberty of describing how exactly he came to be an escaped slave that found his way to the surface world after escaping his Duergar slave masters, and how that lonesome bugman came to be a Hell Knight of the Order Godclaw. That backstory was chunky by the time I was done. The Order Godclaw is, as most Hell Knight orders are, exceedingly law focused. But I took that to another level... kinda. The Order Godclaw specifically take their tennets, practices, and a lot of their rules from the five major lawful deities of Golarion. Specifically those of Man and Dwarf. The secondary alignment and beliefs of the Gods are meaningless to the order as they hail the God's and Goddess's lawful edicts above all but their direct orders from Cheliax. A portion of Frank's backstory included the natural lust for knowledge that gripped him in his newfound freedom, and how that lust lead him to books of law, and how those books of law tied into him becoming an actual Lawyer as a part time profession. He had Profession: Barrister and demanded his name and title be accompanied by "Esquire" since he didn't escape enslavement at the ripe age of 7 and then become a barrister and Hell Knight before the age of 12 just to have adventurers forget his place in society. He was not the only Hell Knight in the party. Indeed the party were scouted by the senior ranking officer as powerful prospects for the Order Godclaw. When my character died our excuse for Frank showing up was a message scroll and the senior officer asking for 'tanky reinforcements', and tank Frank was/is. Imagine with me a 15ft tall insectoid monstrous humanoid with two large arms and four abdominal arms. Yes Trox are technically arachnids. This tall ass bug man is wearing full plate armor, is wielding a tower shield in his abdominal arms, and is dual wielding morningstars, the holy weapon of Asmodeus whom Frank venerated more than most Gods. On top of all this he is wearing enchanted pauldrons and enchanted boots. His boots grant him haste, his pauldrons will increase his size category by one step functionally at will. This 15ft tall insectoid battle tank can be 30ft tall at will and fast while doing it. When our quest inevitably dragged the party into troop combat Frank dominated in a way even I hadn't anticipated while making him. I had given him the feat "Dreadful Carnage". The wording of this feat is loose and only states you get a free intimidate check for every enemy you drop to zero hit points or less in a single round of combat. This is important because I did the math (using Pathfinder's RAW square-cubed law) and the GM decided Frank's weight while Huge sized was significant enough to crush the low level warriors used to bolster armies, and do so instantly. Frank would charge through enemy lines, his AC high enough to ignore their weapons, his feet heavy enough and his movement distance far enough to crush nearly a hundred soldiers every move action, and then end his turn with nearly a hundred intimidate checks all at once. God-fucking-zilla. He wasn't even the strongest member of the party, and that wasn't even his final form. Yet despite how absolutely fucking broken this character was in combat. Despite an AC well into the thirties with a strength score to match. I found time to roleplay a LOT. I roleplayed so much with Frank that I, with help from the Rogue, just about derailed entire sessions. The Rogue wanted a bank account in a Chelish bank. But he knew Cheliax too well to trust they wouldn't fuck him on a deal. So he came to Frank and officially hired him as his own personal lawyer. Accompanying the Rogue Frank would get contracts signed stipulating the Rogue would get all benefits and no downsides from the bank, but I ripped him off the smallest bit by stipulating Frank would get 10% of all of the Rogue's earnings. This was hidden as a restatement of the previous payment stipulation. The Rogue couldn't afford Frank's services upfront and so they worked out a deal. 10% of the inheritance the Rogue left for his family in the bank account would pay for Frank's continued services as the Rogue's barrister.

@ECSDaemon

2 жыл бұрын

First off, HOLY WALL OF TEXT BATMAN!!! Which is also a warning for what's coming ahead. Secondly, it takes some astounding talent to find the right balance of combat and role playing that keeps everyone excited to continue. My friend who kind of got stuck as a perma Storyteller, World of Darkness version of the DM, worked hard to find that balance with every story he did. One such story, he only ran with two players, myself and on other, after character creation, he sat down and talked to each of us and asked us what our character's goals were. I was running a rare Lupus Bone Gnawer, Werewolf: The Apocalypse was the game and Bone Gnawers were one of two tribes that had their Lupus almost literally extinct, which I told him that my character just wanted to be in a position of respect and be respected. With our goals and how crazy simple I made my character, he had a very hard time finding that balance. He later described my character's interactions with NPC's as spokes on the wheel of a bicycle. Any NPC my Lupus didn't like he avoided and any he did he continued to interact with. This somehow caused me to not take a liking to a BBEG that was supposed to befriend us.

I would have been out of there the moment that guy started targeting me like that. No one should ever put up with such obvious toxic behavior at all. Nor is it valid to just hand wave away such things.

I knew a dude named Mike who would probably behave exactly like this and it would be so funny if it was the same dude. Extremely early into our first forey into tabletop games in the form of Star Wars Saga edition, he (as the GM) had me arrested by an entire imperial battalion including rocket launchers and e-webs for "loitering" because i was waiting for my friend to finish his meeting with some gangsters.... On an outer rim world controlled by said gangsters....

So i dm a descent to avernus game. Funny enough our hexblade also got hit with that curse. Once they got out i had them find someome to remove his curse for a fee. Easy peasy im-not-an-asshole-dm-like-mikeasy

Nothing like committing Abrupt Sudoku on the bus. I also recommend Sudden Crossword.

"For a simple game" heaven forbid people have fun playing a game

I wish op would have called out Mike's bs. It would have made a more satisfying conclusion. And thanks for sharing my opinion on Dark Souls and similar games. It's nice to know I'm not alone.

Part 2/2 Continued from my previous comment ... The shop keeper was a throw-away NPC, without much relevance to the plot or the PCs. But there was a very powerful, reoccurring NPC who was an ancient Silver Dragon, the last of her kind, who usually appeared as a beautiful elven female when she met with the party. She was one of the most powerful and oldest character in the world, one of the only people, besides the gods, who’d lived through the apocalypse. And the GM had defiantly established her as a good guy. She’d sheltered and saved a whole town of survivors, and she fought an epic fight against a bag guy, where the party basically was relegated to cheerleading and minion mopping, while Silver Dragon and the a a big scary bad guy duked it out epically in the skies above (yes, NPCs taking the spotlight was another issue I had with GM’s style, but it’s not the focus of this story). Silver Dragon had sacrificed herself to save the town and then GM had set it up where we could permanently sacrifice points from our character stats to bring her back… We did it, because we were playing heroes and the scenario was set up for it to be the obviously heroic thing to do. All this to say, she was an NPC we’d had to invested a lot in and that GM obviously thought was really cool and awesome. Now, as a she was a survivor of the apocalypse, Syme had been anxious to know what Silver Dragon could tell him about what had caused it and the lost cultures and histories that had existed before the apocalypse. As usual, she was cagy and had nothing too useful to say. But she did tell us she had a book of saved histories and spells. Syme asked if he could see it, but she said it was too precious to be trusted to adventures, and that it was in Draconic, a sacred language of her people. She did say, however, that if we finished a certain long term goal of the plot, she would allow Syme to read the book. I was cool with that. It was at least something to engage my personal character goals with, even if it was locked behind a bunch of other plot stuff. I had Syme learn Draconic during traveling downtime on the ship - there was a lot of that in this story, - specifically so he could read that book, once Silver Dragon finally let him see it. Fast forward many months and many levels and we finally achieve the plot points that Silver Dragon had said were necessary. The party goes back to Silver Dragon’s town and most of the party goes to the tavern to celebrate with the locals. Syme, however, immediately goes to see Silver Dragon, excited to finally get access to this book of lost histories he’s been seeking for most of the game. Syme’s there alone, and Silver Dragon comes down in her elven form, carrying the book. However, before giving Syme the book, she says there’s more she needs from him. … You guessed it. She wanted Syme to father her child for her. Now, I wasn’t so caught off guard this time. I was surprised and very annoyed that GM was actually going there again, especially with an NPC he very explicitly had presented as a good guy, but he’d done it before, so I wasn’t nearly as flustered. I had Syme ask if she was serious, and if this really was the only way she’d give Syme the book. GM stuck to it, having Silver Dragon confirm she would only give him the book, if Syme slept with her and conceived a child for her. In response, Syme said there was nothing in the world for which he’d give up his first born child, and that he had no interest in sleeping with her. He then added that he was disappointed in her for taking back her promise that she’d made months ago to give him the book, simply because he refused to sleep with her and then give her their child. He then left to go back to the tavern with his friends. The rest of the group let me role-play out Syme’s response, but barely. As soon as the scene cut happened, Mother-of-the-Group jumped out of her chair, yelling at GM. - Man was she pissed. - The GM back peddled again and Syme did get access to the book without needing to sleep with Silver Dragon, but, by this point of game, I was pretty checked out as far as the NPCs and plot were concerned. I stuck with the game to the end, but only for the PC relationships and role-play, and also because, as I mentioned at the beginning of the story, these were friendships and relationships I had to protect, and telling the GM I thought his NPCs and plot were bad would have burned bridges. He’d demonstrated a number of times that he didn’t take criticism well, especially from me. At and earlier point in the game, he’d refused to run for like three weeks, because a number of players had said a riddle he’d included in one of the puzzles was dumb and sexist. And he had told me directly that he didn’t want me to give him feedback on the game, because he didn’t trust me to give criticism sensitively enough. - I guess he was at least self-aware about how badly he took criticism. He basically would only listen to my husband, who worked in customer service and was a master at delicately dealing with difficult social interactions. My husband was also the oldest member of the group, which I think contributed to the fact that GM was willing to take advise from him, but no one else. So, I appreciated what I could about the game and just endured the rest of it. Frankly, I think a lot of us were glad when that game finally ended. After that, I still played in games with GM where he was a player, but avoided getting into anything where he was the game master. Final thoughts Honestly, I’m not super sensitive, nor easily triggered, and if GM had introduced this as VILLAINOUS behavior, I probably would have been okay with it. Men dealing with female predators is something that often gets ignored or waved off as not real or serious, and if it had been treated seriously and presented in a mature and responsible manner, I think it could have been a worthy story beat for the party to deal with. But GM obviously didn’t get why it was BAD, since he had a character he considered super-cool and heroic be the predator, which was what made it disturbing to me and the rest of our table. Also, why would he think Syme would just bargain away his children? Sexual predator vibes aside, it really bothered me that GM seemed the think men should have no interest or investment in their children, once the act of conception was over and done with. Maybe, I don’t have the best perspective on all this, but I was actually more upset that the NPCs wanted to deny Syme any right to be a parent afterward, than that they were withholding favors to get sex. Some people make a living exchanging sex for other things, and if its consenting, healthy and fair, that’s their business. People can use their bodies how the wish, as long as no one gets hurt. But trading away children, - even if they are unborn- grossed me out.

I really enjoy your videos

As a child on the spectrum I've had an upbringing strictly controled by psychiatrists and people who thought they knew better. So that enabler behaviour, I really know first hand... I was so goddamn frustrated by the fact that every little quirk I would be nagged for, and it would be "Proof" that I need further theraphy, meanwhile there's a shithead going around and punching people at our school... I bet he didn't have read about how it's wrong to hit people, or every single social application of the word "Hello". And so, I had to change my behaviour on every small detail, while others had the freedom of just being themselves. "It's just how he is." Yeah, when someone else is a total prick, then it's fine, because that's just how they are, but when I try to bite back that's "Wrong". People - Never let yourself be told by others you're in the wrong. You have to grow wisdom to see that you were in the wrong and admit to it. Otherwise, people will try to manipulate you into feeling guilty for not lying under their feet while they're walking.

I've ended up with a couple of people that have a lot in common with this man-child, my group does not tolerate that kind of crap though.

Ima be singing 'bully the warlock' all day now

Mike sounds like that kid in school who gives everyone gum and then when OP shows up with cookies cause he made and wanted to show them with friends. Then Mike gets mad cause he wants to be the only good guy in school.

So...that second Misty Step was a...misstep? I'll see myself out.

Seppuku my dear narrator... Sudoku is a number puzzle.

@2g33ksgamingttv3

2 жыл бұрын

KZread algorithms prevent him from actually saying it if he doesn't want to get demonitized

I disagree on one thing. Not everyone has the privilege to just "find another group". Sometimes you have one group in your area, two if you are lucky. And honestly I think being immovable on style is childish. Especially if the players are friends. And I always try to make friends with anyone I play with. If a player says "'hey, I've been loving the RP but could you add a few more combats too? I'd love to try out X abilities " or, "hey the combats are super fun and it really makes the game feel like there isn't alot of time to solve current issue at hand, but I would like a little more time to RP between characters". Saying "sorry just find another group" is pretty selfish and immature. Especially as a GM. Your job is to make sure everyone at the table is having fun not just you and another person. If that means changing just a little bit. Sorry. You should. You can find fun in both styles. Sorry, it just irks me when I hear people say "well in that case leave".

To think that character was a die roll away from commiting sudoku

@isaiahwelch8066

2 жыл бұрын

You mean _seppuku,_ or more commonly known as _hara-kiri,_ right?

There is something wrong with how Mike plays. Is there anything wrong with being combat oriented as a player inherently? No. Is there something wrong with coming to another DM's table, with that playstyle, and having the gall to tell them to "get on with it already" when it comes to how they run their own game? Yes. Is there something wrong with having that playstyle as a DM when it results in forcing a player into an inescapable situation so you can bolster your own itty bitty, fragile, wounded ego? Yes. Am I incredibly mad at the Mike story? Abso-fucking-lutely Robbing player agency to make himself feel better about his DMPCs damage output? Trying to exert his will over another DM while playing AT HIS damn *virtual) table? It's got my blood pressure up big time

You should really get some more attention. Your bringing out good videos

It sucks when you get stuck with a ManChild

Nerd bullies always make me laugh, they always try to pull the “no one likes (insert thing they don’t like)” comments but can never back it up when confronted and most of the time double down on insults!

Those kind of people will never take these advices

There's a bit of nuance you seem to miss on that last story. Mike was, until now (time of the story) THE DM for that group. This would strongly indicate none of them were really "roleplaying" very much as he ran combat intensive campaigns. The other DM also started pretty combat heavy but slowly shifted more towards RP. Mike's DM style wasn't so much "DM vs player" as it was "DM vs OP." The reason was because Mike was smart enough to see what was happening. He didn't necessarily target OP because he didn't like him, it may not have been personal at all, though it probably was. Mike's problem was HIS D&D group that he's played with for years would grow more and more unsatisfied with his DM and play style as the leaned more towards RP. Basically, from Mike's point of view, OP was corrupting HIS players. As a side note, that would also explain OP's claim of average characters being seen as such wonderful RP by the group. It came across more like a poor attempt at humble bragging, but to a group of players that didn't really RP much, even just ok roleplaying would seem really good.

The superhero known as Childman!

I don't understand why you'd continue to play with someone like Mike for so long. If I get an inkling that someone is a problematic jerk, then I cut them off immediately.

25:00 I actually know a "Mike" that sounds extremely similar.

Sudoku? Doesn't he mean sepuku?

@tnexus13

2 жыл бұрын

With content detection over mentions of self forever sleep, sudoku is probably the safer word to use.

@CrispysTavern

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was trying to censor, lol. Also, fits better with the annoyed, comedic tone of the read. The OP was kinda getting serious and it didn’t fit with the way I was going.

@ZorotheGallade

2 жыл бұрын

It's also a memetic variation.

Why do so many people hold so much contempt for roleplaying while playing a fucking ROLEPLAYING game?!

@krispalermo8133

2 жыл бұрын

After thirty years of gaming and just being around people working, they are azz holes. And they don't like being reminded they are not as smart or talented as they like to think they are.

@deettee6794

2 жыл бұрын

because people often aren't very good at it. it's one thing to watch professional voice actors RP in CR, who spend A LOT of time thinking about character nuance, backstory, interactions etc and planning things out for truly interesting narratives or story arcs. it's another to have a random neckbeard try to channel his inner "uwu anime girl" and shriek in falsetto every time he says something, complete with voice cracks like a pimply-faced teenager. it also gets kinda old when most "RPers" are only able to "act out" caricatures of the typical tropes - the "innocent" 10-year old prodigy spellslinger with a tragic past the edgy brooding rogue with a tragic past the "i want to fuck anything with a pulse" bard with a tragic past the holy warrior with a heart of gold and a tragic past the cocky elf from high society with a tragic past the idiot "hurhurdurdur" barbarian mouth-drooler with a tragic past and strangely enough, they're often all just played the same, just with different silly accents or voices. it's an absolute cringe-fest.

Part 1/2 I don't know if you accept stories given in comment sections, but I'm not on Redit and after bingeing a bunch of your videos and really enjoying them, I wanted to submit a RPG-Horror story for you to consider reading later. This happened years ago and I'm no longer part of the group and relationships involved here, though most of the players are still my friends. The NPCs keep trying to make my character be their baby-daddy This is my first time submitting anything like this and I’d like to preference this by saying that, for the most part, I had good experiences with D&D and this group, though I never really got along with GM’s style as either a Game Master or a player. Outside of the game, he was a pretty good guy, but we just never had very similar perspectives on things, especially when it came to characters. Nonetheless, everyone at the table was close friends. We were a group of siblings, spouses, roommates and besties, so, ultimately, in this case, relationships were more important than having the best possible game. There was me, my husband, his sister, (who was the protective "Mother-of-the-Group", both in and out of character,) her wife, two of our best friends, and GM was both a good friend and also roommates with my husband and I. We were a large group, pretty equally mixed men and women and all around the same ages of mid-20s to early-30s. GM was male and running a home-brew setting, with a lot of custom religion, history and races. I’m female, but my character was a male Aasimar noble, named Syme, who I really enjoyed playing, despite/because of his Aasimar vanity and mercantile noble’s ambition. The rest of the characters don’t really become too relevant in this story, but they were all very good and interesting characters, and ultimately the RP with the other PCs was what got me through this long levels 1-20 home-brewed campaign. Our party was a group of divinely selected champions gathered from across an archipelago of racially segregated islands to explore the supposed ruins of a central continent, where, several hundred years ago, an apocalypse had nearly destroyed the world and killed most of the gods. The reason and history of this apocalypse were unknown, lost, - along with all previous history and culture, - in the post apocalypse chaos. The various islands had only recently discovered one another, after the few surviving gods each took their favorite race and hid them away on an island right after the apocalypse. Now, three hundred years later, there was a problem. Because there weren’t enough gods to properly balance and manage the magical forces of the world, the fabric of the universe was about to dissolve - or something to that effect. In the face of this, the gods had finally decided to do something and put together a party of champions to go back to the old continent and find a bunch of scattered NPC survivors still living there and fetch artifacts for them in order to empower them to become new gods. Syme was a cleric of light, but he viewed it very much as a Light =Truth and he was mostly after knowledge. His family had been pioneers on his island in ship building, invention and discovery and his parents had been lost years ago, when a previous expedition had tried to return to the lost continent, but never returned. In short, Syme saw this exploration as part of his family legacy and very much wanted to learn the truth of the lost histories, cultures, magic and religions. He carried around several volumes of journals everywhere, carefully recording everything and often asking questions of the gods, or anyone else who seemed to know anything about the mysteries of the setting. He was a plucky, investigative reporter, ready to do whatever it took to uncover the secrets of the gods and save civilization. Unfortunately, GM didn’t really give me much to do in this regard. The gods were constantly cagey, telling us nothing, or else they’d just explain everything and not leave much to be figured out by the players. I found it a little annoying, but it wasn’t a big deal. I understand that running good mysteries is hard, and when it became clear that GM just wasn’t interested in running mystery, I tried not to take too much time with it. I still played Syme as constantly making notes, keeping records and asking questions, but was willing to hand-wave playing it out at the table and just say, “Syme will spend half the day interviewing locals and investigating town records,” whenever there was some downtime. The other PCs were pretty supportive, often helping Syme with his collecting of first hand accounts, local oral traditions and old writings. But it become more of a character personality aspect, and a fun side thing that we’d fit in when it wouldn’t interfere with the main plot. All that to say, it was well known that gathering lost knowledge was a powerful personal motive and goal for Syme So, I was the party cleric and, while we also had a druid and a paladin with some healing abilities, Syme was the only character with access to the resurrection spells, like Revivify and Raise Dead ect. (technically the paladin could get them eventually, but, as a half caster, he was a good few levels behind my cleric in getting these spells.) We were chosen champions of the gods and had been told we needed to succeed in our quest to keep the world from ending, so the party was pretty anxious to have these spells as an insurance against possible character death. We level up, and I get access to Raise Dead and everyone wants to make sure I can cast it if necessary. The problem is that Raise Dead has an expensive casting component, - a diamond worth 500 gold. My character was a noble, with a good reputation, so I asked if I could possibly use credit to borrow money. GM said no. Logically, there wasn’t much reason why it shouldn’t have worked, as such things as loans, investment and finance had been talked about in the background before, so it was consistent with the setting. But I also understand that it’s not really fair in a group of players if one PC gets unequal access to resources over the others, just because they picked the noble background. But it wasn’t a problem, because the rest of the party agreed to pool resources and we were able to collectively put together 500 gold for Syme to buy the diamond. The war-forged paladin and I went to the shop, run by a pretty female elf shop keeper, that the GM made sure to describe in detail. We were recognized as the famous chosen Champions of the Gods, which wasn’t too uncommon, as we were basically the first adventures to adventure in the world since the apocalypse, and the gods had made a big deal about giving us our quest. There was a diamond in the shop that would work perfectly for the spell component, so Syme tells the shopkeeper he’d like to buy it. The shop keeper demurely says she can’t sell it. We explained that we’re on an important divine mission and we have the gold and could really use that diamond to help us save the world. She then says “Yes, I understand how important you are. I can give it to you, but not for money.” And then she asked if she could talk to Syme in the back room. The paladin waited grumpily out front and I went to talk to the elf, figuring she would probably have some side quest or something that we would need to do to get the diamond. Maybe her shop was under threat from local strong men or something, which was why she didn’t want to talk about it in the open. Nope. She told Syme she would only give him the diamond if he helped her conceive a child. She wanted to be a mother and having a child of an aasimar and one of the famous Champions of the Gods was ..like, extra special or something. Honestly, I was so caught off guard, I don’t really recall what exactly her whole story was, but it boiled down to the fact that she wanted Syme to be her baby-daddy in exchange for the diamond. I probably should have just shut things down right away, but it had come out of nowhere and so suddenly, I just had Syme stammer and say he’d… "consider it" and then get the heck out of there. By now the whole table was watching and wondering what the heck GM was evening thinking with this. In character, Syme when back to the tavern with the Paladin and told him what the shopkeeper wanted, explaining that he was conflicted, because the party really needed the diamond, but fathering a child out of wedlock and then just leaving without ever being able to be a part of his child’s life was against his morals, especially as he was the head of an important noble family and fathering potential heirs could have sweeping political affects on his whole family and the politics of his island. - I purposely down-played the sexual predator vides GM’s shop keeper was putting out, as I just didn’t want to engage on that level. The Paladin’s player and the rest of the table, however, weren’t going to let GM get away with it. The paladin was outraged in-character and denounced it as a terrible and disgusting thing to do. He was in character, but the looks he gave GM were not subtle and GM got the message loud and clear. GM quickly made up something about the guards arresting the shopkeeper and the party got the diamond for free. At the end of the session, Mother-of-the-Group stood up and pretty firmly told the GM that this was not acceptable. She even call me a couple days later to make sure I was okay, and see if I needed to talk about it away from GM and the rest of the group. I was fine, but thanked her for her concern and thanked both her and the Paladin player for standing up so quickly for me, since, honestly, I’d just been so caught off guard I hadn’t known how to respond. GM apologized and agreed he’s been out of line and we figured it was all over. Lesson learned. Right? I wish.

“Man-Child.” Did I say it right?

"An abrupt Sudoku"? He commits a Japanese numeral puzzle? I think you mean "seppuku".😆

Now for some odd reason I want to make a campaign entirely based off of The Hobbit or The Lord of The Rings

I would have brought a copy of the module to read at the table Also you deserved everything that happened, even in the end you want hin to save face and avoid any consequences

Mike is just….he just lives to spread misery and annoyance

Honestly, OP sounds like the power gamer. Mike plays “Knights” which probably aren’t nearly as meta as hexblades

Honestly OP, I think you should have burned the server to the ground. Mike *and* the other players deserve it. Mike wasnt just an asshole he was a *bully*, and the other players were enabling it.

For the love of Talos, were you and OP in the Eagles together, Mike? What's with the animosity?

"Manchild"

abrupt sudoku? a sudden number game?

@CrispysTavern

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Trying to censor and joke.

This gives Mikes a bad name!

Ok Crispy (can I call you Crispy?) this is PURELY my own interpretation and opinion, no shade to any of the people who apparently have the imaginations of gods and can just... do this, but... *Eff Theatre of the Mind I hate theatre of the mind* Not only can it result in a twenty minute explanation of whatever setting the dm is coming up every twelve minutes, with OR a basic 'there's a room' with absolutely no thought to what's in it (both annoying and inconvenient in their own ways) I NEED AN ACTUAL SETTING. If you don't wanna design an entire dungeon? FINE, I get we're busy folks irl, but just... give me SOMETHING. Just a picture of the room drawn in crayon will do, even if it's not gridded or you don't expect us to USE the grid! Give me a type of room, a few props. Are we in a library? A ballroom? Is there a giant chandelier for the rogue to use overhead? Ok we're in a sewer, is it dark or not? Is it old looking? Modern? Are there branching tunnels? Waist high crap or ankle deep? Do we have to step over corpses floating in the water? What do you mean I CAN JUST SUGGEST WHAT I WANT TO BE THERE? That's YOUR job! I'm already trying to remember which spells I have set AND how many points I add to the random sh*t in my inventory and the name of the goblin bard we're trying to rescue from the underdark that is APPARANTLY accessible through the sewer that you couldn't be bothered to work out any kind of route of puzzle to navigate! Like I probably COULD suggest something if I had ANYTHING to work with! We need SOME KIND of consistent space to work with. I can only imagine how frustrating and off-putting it must be to people with aphantasia like... how? How are people supposed to do this?

Oh god mike turned into one of those boneheaded isekai protagonists who thinks stopping slavers or r*pists is wrong because only evil thugs use violence to solve their problems!

At 15:00 Mike hexblades are not worthless my strongest recent character was a level 10 swashbuckler and level 10 hexblade warlock the power of the build without any feats is OP when I attack with booming blade with all the extra class bonuses Enemy is hit they can’t make attacks of opportunities against me they move they take thunder damage if the enemy is under my curse 19s now crib if the enemy is within 5 feet of me and no other monsters are within five feet of me boom my sneak attack damage is added to my attacks without me having advantage and with a certain pact of the blade ability I get an extra attack with my pact weapon CALL THAT WORTHLESS

Man Child! :) Engagement! hehe...

M A N C H I L D

I find myself getting mad for and at some of the people telling these stories. No game is worth putting up with such a toxic person like Mike, call out the bad behavior and/or walk tf away instead of subjecting yourself to that crap for the sake of others or a damn game.

I cannot believe how stupid the OP was for putting up with it so long.

Man-Child!

21:05 and then I punched him, is how this story should end

Mike is bad and all but i blame the hexblade for not using that damn class to its full potential. Really you wanna sneak inside an area and you dont bring darkness with you ?. You are playing hexblade, so what you cant be healed. Turn your weapon to a ranged weapon add a bit of darkness/devil sight, and attack with advantage every turn. If the dm wants to bully you further, well than call his bullshit out. Honestly Hexblade might be one of the best classes to fuck with a dm like this. He either has to take your counter attack or sink lower and homebrew shit to counter you. Either way you would have won.

Sound advice, man-child. Not having fun in a game? Pick a different game. Mind-blowing stuff. XD

Well this was wholly terrible on all fronts. Even the "happy ending" is unsatisfying.

MAN CHILD SMASH!!

Man child!

I fucking hate "Theater of the mind". It's always a bullshit excuse to not prepare for the game, esp for combat, which always winds up being a wishy washy cluster fuck. D&D is built on the bones of war gaming, you have to have a battle map, period end of story. The game is not designed to not have maps. It's like not having a character sheet, your just hoping people are going to play honestly and actually remember where everything is. It always becomes a mess when you forgo structure.

It's seppuku. Sudoku is that weird number game.

Roll your colored rocks and take the fantasy game seriously!