Player: Don't go easy on me! DM: _Doesn't go easy on player_ Player: Why are you targeting me!?

The Warlock in the first story didn't even give any real criticism here. All he did was be a neckbeard about how the merchants were women, childishly insulted the DM's hair of all things, and was a general dick about it! I hope OP can move on and have a better time without this guy. It sounded like the rest of the party was super awesome and was engaged in the story.

@an1m8r

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. If someone says everything around them is shitty, the common linking factor is pretty obvious. At least he was so cartoonishly moronic that they were rid of him quickly.

That last story is ridiculous. There is no reason a paladin of Thor would abandon friends or hostages because of some nebulous distrust of new allies. That player should absolutely lose Paladin status. Thor would be shamed and furious to have one of HIS CHOSEN be such a craven idiot.

@silverblade357

2 жыл бұрын

How about the paladin trying to force the brave fighter to flee and leave their comrades behind? Denying a warrior that is prepared for battle? Thor would do way worse than merely depower that paladin!

@LetholdusKaspyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@silverblade357 If I was running the game, and I decided not to toss the idiot out for some reason, I'd have Thor declare him a hated enemy, and all worshippers strong enough would hunt the coward down for vengeance. In fact, I think I'd toss the idiot out, take control of his character as an NPC, and have him present in the campaign world, hunted and frightened.

@nvfury13

2 жыл бұрын

That would be perfect “struck by lightning” setup.

@LetholdusKaspyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@nvfury13 I like to think Thor would test new Paladins by sending them to hunt down a fallen one. Much more epic than thunderbolt-falls-PC-dies. Though that would obviously be after the player was kicked from the group for being a douchebag to other players.

@nvfury13

2 жыл бұрын

@@LetholdusKaspyr Oh the lightning wouldn’t *kill* them, just take them to a single hp while scrapping their gear and being the physical manifestation through which they are stripped of their Paladin status. At least the way I DM Thor.

I wonder if that paladin's name was Robin. "When danger reared its ugly head He bravely turned his tail and fled Brave, brave, brave Sir Robin!"

@Ektalon

2 жыл бұрын

At least Sir Robin was only a coward, that paladin was also a major jerk.

@CharlesGriswold

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ektalon A valid point, good sir.

@AuntLoopy123

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, I'll play with Garrick in my party in Baldur's Gate, and get him injured JUST to hear his morale failure song. I love it, so.

@MetaGiga

2 жыл бұрын

“I DID NOT!”

@songbird6414

Жыл бұрын

Why did I read this in the tune of Jolene

"I'm making a new PC and I'm telling the DM nothing about it so he can't stop me." Can you imagine how cringe/hilarious it would have been?" "So, this new character approaches you and, uhm...what race are you?" "You don't know. You can't see me." "Can't they see what you look like?" "I have +75 to my Stealth and Disguise. No you can't look at my sheet. You don't even know I'm with you."

Him throwing out "He didnt like my hair" was so random that i started laughing

I once had an evil character in a good party in a deadlands campaign but it somehow worked because he really liked the other members of the party. Like "I'll mess up anyone else but you're cool." I fully intended for him to be righteously killed by the other characters if they ever discovered how evil he really was.

@Jhulae

Жыл бұрын

I once played a LE character in a mostly good party (the others were either some flavor of good with one neutral character). The trick was not to play as 'Chaotic Stupid'. it was *amazing* how often my character got the party to do what she wanted (pretty blatantly evil stuff) by making subtle suggestions and playing off the other character's personalities so it seemed like the course of action my character wanted was all their idea all along.

That Guy: *hate women & magic* Someone I wish was in the story: “my female character uses Raigeki on That Guy”

@TheMightyBattleSquid

2 жыл бұрын

Raigeki? But that's a YUGIOH card, not a MAGIC THE GATHERING one! (Is joke)

@zinogrevz7389

2 жыл бұрын

i discard a player to destroy a character in play

@vaulthunterfromterra4053

2 жыл бұрын

Mr_dragon What would be the most powerful Lightning spell from MTG?

@zinogrevz7389

2 жыл бұрын

@@vaulthunterfromterra4053 lightning bolt

That wizard should have prepared a ring of feather fall or something just in case that happened. Or was he banking on flying indefinitely, attacking with no repercussions and absolutely no ways of him being shot down? "You're jealous of my build being too powerful". News flash, if it gets defeated by simple GRAVITY then it's NOT so powerful.

@xadielplasencia3674

2 жыл бұрын

He probably had the spell but didn't consider being unconsious while flying

@xadielplasencia3674

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly he is in the wrong of course, but I would not like it one bit if I died because of a single save unless this was explicitly a meatgrinder campaing

@legomaniac213

2 жыл бұрын

At least when Kyleth lost a battle with gravity it was A: due to her own hubris (which she owned up to) and B: really, really funny.

@thegreatcanadianweasel9928

2 жыл бұрын

@@xadielplasencia3674 doubt he had the spell, unless the DM was a total dick and didn't allow that reaction as he was falling asleep. Also no save, sleep doesn't allow saves. that said it would be ridiculous not to have the spell as it does look like he thought he would just be able to spam attacks without repercussions.

@DoomsdayR3sistance

2 жыл бұрын

When people think up overpowered builds, they can't take it when the flaw in their build is exposed. Yes an Aarakocra that is slept or knocked prone while flying is going to take a heavy hit when they meet the ground. I've played an Aarakocra moon druid before, and was with an understanding with the DM that I'd limit the abuse of flying; since flying wasn't a big part of that build to begin with wildshape being their main thing and wildshape being prohibited from taking a form that can fly until level 8, at which point any druid can use wildshape to fly.

The thing that kills me about the second story is that the paladin's innate distrust of the OP makes no sense, at all, and he did nothing to explain his distrust in the slightest. His actions also definitely don't make sense for a paladin of basically any oath, because if there's one thing most of them can agree on, it's that you should not leave your comrades to die if you can avoid it.

@dmcblooddevil

2 жыл бұрын

I play with someone who distrusts new people, so I can understand the paladin. If someone comes in with a different aura to them, it can be off putting to the point of mistrust.

@lighthadoqdawg

2 жыл бұрын

to play devil's advocate. There are paladin oaths that have nothing to do with trusting the group in their tennants. Conquest and vengence don't swear to any such things. the former believes wholly in might makes right and can swear to champion archdevils. and the latter specifically swears "by any means necessary. " in order to defeat the greater evil. it's really only the Watchers Oath the specifically mentions Loyalty. a lot of oaths caution the paladin to not let themselves betray their oaths because of the actions of those they currently ally with and suggest severing ties should their party decide to stray too far from their own beliefs.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

@@lighthadoqdawg Good point. Also worth noting that this character was a bard first and multiclass into a paladin whose oath is unknown beyond Thor.

@michaelbaker3868

Жыл бұрын

@@dmcblooddevil that's also a personal issue something the person needs to work on and is not an excuse to mistreat or disrespect or even be rude to anyone simply because they got some feelings from an "aura" ots just an excuse excuse treat or look at people you know nothing about and treat or address them how you want instead of how you should. People need to quit making excuses for their issues unless your willing to be treated like shit by someone else's "excuse" or "issue"

@dorianleakey

3 ай бұрын

They didn't just try to roleplay distrust, they abandoned the party and tried to murder a party member after they proved they were trust worthy ​@@dmcblooddevil

Dude questioning the fog, I'd be like... 'if you'd stop interrupting your nonsense questions could've been answered by now'

I always love the non native English speakers who apologize for their grammar despite being better than some native English speakers. It is like they have cast Tongues on themselves.

The complainer would have totally had me, as DM or a player, quoting at him "Goddamnit Francis, is there anything you don't hate?"

Regarding the Yuan-Ti: I'm definitely seeing a lack of social awareness there. Do you think he stopped to think that the other players would be ticked if they got betrayed? Seems like they only cared about their fun, no one else's.

@WyvernTheLost

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh they might have known it was going to mess up the other players fun, and that might have been part of the reason they did it. I've heard stories of people going about and ruining games just to make the other players miserable. Hopefully that wasn't the case and it was just them not communicating well with the group.

@luthor24127

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh everyone sucks here - there's nothing wrong with you and DM deciding your character will be the final boss, it could add a lot of good roleplaying and apparently that's how the DM presented it to the yuan-ti player - except he never wanted to follow through it and honestly everyone was an asshole here. It's just a game at the end of the day and the players should be able to handle betrayal at the end as a part of the story, it could've been very memorable if everyone was more mature.

@MrGreensweightHist

2 жыл бұрын

The player was an issue, but this is also an example of when a DM should have said "No" and prevented the problem out of the gate.

@Thundarr100

2 жыл бұрын

I've been playing D&D a long, LONG time (started in 1988 with Basic D&D, Classic Red Box Set) and I have seen this a LOT. Many people just don't know how to play evil characters with subtlety. They want to go right for the "I want to kill all of my fellow PCs" style of evil, which is very self destructive. I realize that the player was planning on playing the long game and EVENTUALLY turning on the party once his character had amassed enough power to become the BBEG, which is a clever idea. Unfortunately he couldn't resist playing the character without behaving suspiciously to anyone who might be watching, which is what really screwed him up. He needs to learn that the best villains are the ones who can hide in plain sight. Look at all of the serial killers who had managed to evade capture for years at a time. They act totally normal in their day to day lives, often with wives, children, friends, and families. Ted Bundy seamed so normal that his friends, family, and neighbors held a "Free Ted" rally the first time he was arrested on suspicion of the recent murders and disappearances. On the other hand, Ed Gein was "The Town Weirdo" long before he ever killed anyone. So after two women went missing, his house was one of the first places the police checked. So in D&D terms, you should try to be Ted Bundy and not Ed Gein.

@MrGreensweightHist

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thundarr100 Don;t even have to be villainous to be evil. I have a LE character who thinks the logical course of action any time he is offended is to simply kill the offender, but he defers to the group.... Cleric: Do you have Dwarven Ale? Bartender: Sorry, but no. We have ale, just not dwarven. Cleric: I suppose that will do. BArtender: Walks off to fill a mug. Me: You wanted dwarven ale? Celeic: Aye. The human stuff just aint the same. Me: Want me to take him out for you. Cleric: What? No. Its just a drink.

Am i the only one wondering if the paladin of the last story should have kept his status as a paladin for abandonning friends and allies to die? Considering he became a paladin by putting his life on the line and that his patron is Thor... If its the norse god of thunder.. Thats a loss of power right there for the paladin... Correct me if im wrong

@mayalewis2956

2 жыл бұрын

thor would of been pissed

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I think him returning and multiclassing into Paladin gave leeway, possibly with DM saying if he didn't return he'd definitely lose those powers. And not all Paladin oaths care about loyalty towards comrades.

I had my own horror story of a player derailing a campaign because they secretly intended to "become the villain," and while I don't think the idea itself is impossible, you gotta walk a really fine line with it; and more importantly, communicate with your DM and players. I'm sure these players think it'd be a fun and clever surprise, but all you're really doing is messing with the work your DM is putting in and agitating the rest of your party.

@Geth-Who

2 жыл бұрын

^This. I've got a character who's planning to *sorta* become the Big Bad, in that we're in Strahd and he plans to replace the blood-drinking fedora-jockey once we've taken him out. But he's still aware he probably can't do it on his own, and so is staying with the party because they want out, and he wants to get to the top. He's got no issues with letting them go free once Barovia's his; I get the feeling the chud in this story would either kill the other PCs after beating Strahd because 'muh evulz', or get impatient and start PVP to get his rocks off before they get that far.

@letsplaysvonaja1714

2 жыл бұрын

To become the BBEG you definitely need to actively work with the DM

Hot take but... if a player chooses to rely on flight to keep them safe and picks a race that can naturally fly... they should understand that sooner or later, they're going to fall out of the sky. The only way that would never happen is if your dm babies you and does literally nothing against your character while they nuke the enemies down from above. Just fly lower if you don't want to turn into pink mist when it happens.

@GiantProcrastiNation

2 жыл бұрын

Also if you feel targeted because you have an OP build guess what? You are because in world the enemy would try to take any opportunity to quickly remove a major threat from play.

@rosenrot234

2 жыл бұрын

Dunno what that says about me since it was my idea at one point to have a dragon tear off one of my tieflings wings. We had access to the regenerate spell from other players so it wasn't a big loss. Still kinda funny I wanted to injure my character more than the DMs apparently

@iconicweirdguy8678

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had a player that did that exact thing and got mad whenever I made enemies attack him

@BURNALUCARD

2 жыл бұрын

@@iconicweirdguy8678 I'll never understand people like that

@foji-video

Жыл бұрын

@@GiantProcrastiNation exactly. If there's a wizard 90 feet up in the air throwing fireballs at my warrior friends on the ground, I would for sure use my spell to counter attack. Any stun spell would do the trick, not just sleep

Story two, their build was so strong, it was slain by a level one spell.

I just had a chat with someone about the spell geas. It's so much more effective on npcs and can be a great use in long term games! Very fun to run

"My build is clearly too powerful!" Yeah, don't really see how it's that powerful, when it gets taken down by a single sleep spell.

I get the impression that Thor would strike down or de-power any paladin of his that dared to flee from battle, especially if he tried to force other brave warriors to flee against their will.

Evil Cleric: The DM and Cleric was wrong The DM has the power to approve or block a character concept. The DM should have said “No. you are not playing an evil cultist that will backstab the party. Make a new character that can cooperate with the party.” The cleric is wrong. Backstabbing characters are not fun. Getting fucked over by a PC is not fun. Our fighter got constantly fucked by our ranger, and all it did was cause the fighter to quit and end our campaign.

@MrGreensweightHist

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Sadly a LOT of people keep telling DMs, especially new ones, that they should "Always say yes"

@phobiawitch835

2 жыл бұрын

As a newer dm, I’m usually open to concepts that can be evil or dark. I do tell them they have to work with the party though, not against it. If they can’t think of a reason to do so, then change concept and I can help them out, as can other players who might tell you what their characters are. Course, even this can be a little rough. The game I run has a Rogue Kenku who was CN until he was Perma-Cursed to be LE. He can be a tad abrasive but the party does let him jnow (ooc) if he should tone it down, and he does! However, when we started, I had a player who was a Paladin. LN or CN, can’t recall, who was my dm for Pathfinder. He quit because he couldn’t find a way to make his broody character lighten up, even when I and the party gave him ample opportunities to do so. When I mentioned the curse, he snapped and said “I knew that damn bird was Evil”, and I clarified that it waa the curse that made him evil (a thing that haooened AFTER the paladin left). Yeah, I have since left his game as a player do to how he handled being a player under me, not just there, but in a Starfinder ine shot I ran to let everyone (myself included) learn the system a bit, bringing iut extra rules that I wasn’t implementing since it was for higher level play, and constantly stealing attention so I couldn’t answer other players who had questions. Not to mention how he has run things in his own game that ultimately have me frustrated and thinking- No pathfinder is better than annoying/uncomfortable pathfinder.

@vaulthunterfromterra4053

2 жыл бұрын

The only way backstabbing other party members would be okay with a character like that, would be if it’s that character’s f*cked up way of applying status buffs to the party. Ex. Slashing the back of their legs to increase movement speed (the opposite of what would normally happen with that kind of injury)

@Aurelius-bf3yx

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrGreensweightHist I do think DM should generally try to work with players to try to make ideas work but they also need to know when to draw the line letting a new player try something as complex and sensitive as not only being an evil character but being a character who is secretly working against the party is insane, that kinda thing should only be tried by a super experience DM and a super experienced player and even then its risky and could ruin the game

@MrGreensweightHist

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aurelius-bf3yx Agreed

The Aarakocra Wizard story is why I get confused when I see DMs complaining that “flying characters are OP”. You have literally just added another way to get splatted, one with far more damage potential than melee.

I'm over halfway through the video now and I'm still reeling from the warlock from the first story just being such a horrible person.

Intro: I wonder how he thought it was going to end. All I can say is don't post NSFW in SFW channels, especially if it's illingal or immoral. It's not that hard. Session "sUCKs" Because of... Women and Magic: Oh, this story. As Critcrab said, kicking this guy out was a great decision. He's a form of instigator, one that's quite abusive. Reminds me of the last video where the guy switched between nice and cruel way too easily. I think his plan was to whittle down the DM's self-esteem to be able to walk all-over him, as we've head in other horror stories where a player takes control away from the DM for their own power trip. Raging at Simple Death: I guess that he went with a build he thought was OP to avoid his "perfect" character from dying. Wonder if he wanted the DM to use the monsters to their fullest to feel powerful, or just half-heart agreed with the other three in the hope that the DM doesn't "target" him and his character. But I WANTED to Kill Everyone: I wonder if it was a Malison Yuan-ti (humanoid with snake heads) or an Abomination (scales all over and a tail instead of legs). Neither of them have player stats, by the way. Either way, this guy seemed to not understand how D&D works, and gives good evil characters a bad name. If you make an evil character, always make them work with the group, from wanting to be in a group for self-preservation, seeing them as a way to reach their end-goal, or uses them to hide in between their crimes. You don't even need to be evil 24/7. You can like the party and not try to get them killed. Even killers have someone/something they love. Leaving the Party to Due: Reminds me of the story with the bard trying to kill the new player because "they have enough players already." I wonder in the motive was similar as well. Funny enough, I also played a skeptical paladin, though this was a one-shot and at worst, she let the other two party members use the translation worms that allowed them to understand goblin so she wouldn't have to. Can't say I'm hopeful this story will have a happy ending.

Allow me to point out the warlock from the "criticism" story specifically waited to give his "feedback" when the other players were there. Never do this. Even with valid critique, waiting for an audience is more likely to put the other person on the defensive (no doubt what this guy was trying to do, to make the dm respond recklessly and possibly get a player or two on his own side).

Yah, that cleric Yan-ti gets the Darwin award here. If you really want to be the bad guy at level 20 you gotta be smart evil and gain people's trust and all that jazz. Alternatively, not start at your final evil alignment but go the character progression route and become the evil guy eventually. And work with your DM, not against them..

First story: Yeah, sounds like that warlock was just there to be antagonistic and act like an asshole. DM should have him run a game to see what he would do with fantasy elements in a fantasy world. Third story: Never fun to have an antagonistic PC in the party who's working towards being a BBEG, even though that would be more of the DM's call than anything. The DM has a story in mind with a villain or antagonistic force planned out, more than likely; he's not going to make a campaign about stopping Tiamat from destroying the world or whatever, and then suddenly change it to make it actually be about Billy's made-up cult god at the end. Very much a main character syndrome sufferer, but in the form of an antagonist, which isn't something you see very often. His idea of being the true villain of the story was supposed to supercede even the DM's eventual endgame. Good call on having him get kicked.

At @7:33 I love how the guy is angry and claims that his character build was "too powerful". Dude, you got killed by a sleep spell.

Let's gooooo new episode!!!

I’ve had this idea for an evil character but it would a lot of willing participation and collaboration to do: so essentially the idea is that you are a warlock (but it can be amended for any class). But the main idea is that someone else in the party is a Paladin or anyone with some type of authority over law and order and their order who has captured you (the evil character) has determined that they need your help for the task at hand and have struck a deal that will delay or cancel you execution if you succeed, though really the task is meant as a s*oxide mission anyways. Your character has an enchantment on them that can be triggered by the Paladin if you get out of line and turn on the party. This enchantment is basically a Hold Person spell that you can’t make a roll against, it just automatically succeeds when triggered. If the DM or players want to spice it up it could be an Insta-kill. My idea that my evil character in this situation would eventually warm up to the party and genuinely have a change of heart and view them all as not just Comrades in arms, but friends. I would want to have them sacrifice themself to save the party if possible or at least be willing to. That’s my idea, it’s not super unique, but if anyone wants to use it I would be happy you take it and make it your own. I don’t really get to play TTRPGs because I’m too much of an kid coward to look for groups but I do still like coming up with character ideas

@n0dr0gs49

2 жыл бұрын

If everyone in the party is some form of evil or chaotic except the paladin and the Paladin 's commander turns out to be lawful neutral or lawful evil... you basically have Suicide Squad.

@umbrasunbro2142

2 жыл бұрын

@@n0dr0gs49 lol oh man! I’m so down for a suicide squad style game tbh

@LeapThroughTheSky

Жыл бұрын

My evil character is just self-centered. In a Greek Mythology campaign setting, I'm playing a Neutral Evil Siren. The character is a bard, because siren. Self-centered and sees no inherent issue with killing people, vengeful, and vain, not necessarily intent on it either. BUT, the party is all good. With the lawful good member pulling her into the party. She is fascinated by the good characters and sees it as a role to act. As well, the characters all have an epic quest or motive. My character wants to become a God, interested in the fame, legacy, and immortality. So she is interested in acting the role of a hero and working with the good guys to achieve that. I think I eventually want her to become neutral aligned. The good characters just teach her that her way of thinking is wrong, but never fully good cause Greek Mythology. But I've been talking it through with the other players so they know.

I respect that everyone involved seemed to be on the road to resolving things peacefully at the end of that last story, and I hope they did/do continue on that path, but holy shit, that paladin -- if the DM doesn't have Thor revoke his powers for that stunt, then they've both failed roleplay.

23:19 As DM, I would have had his Paladin Oath revoked. After the event that earned him those Paladin Levels, he went in complete contrast of that, therefor betraying the expectations of the god that gave him those powers in the first place.

Oh, I think he left a lasting impression. I don't think anyone who saw that would ever be able to unsee it.

Story 1: More like Warlock of the Complete Asshole.

In my first d&d game, I asked my dm to not have any main character deaths. He agreed because it was my first game ever but he warned this is the only game I'd have that safety net on.

Geas pronunciation is more like "Gesh" Only mention because you seemed to question yourself on it :) Good vid

You can have a evil character in a good party as long as evil holds similar goals- as in the party wants to take down tyrant to stop evil acts, but evil does it to eliminate threats.

Considering that the DM managed to convince both players to stay in the last story, I personally also would have considered a rollback in his place. In that entire dungeon sequence it is pretty clear that OOC behavior bled into the IC behavior and vice versa, so I can't help but wonder if dealing with the unfortunate consequences that resulted from it could create further arguments or animosity. Retconning from the place when things went to hell, on the other hand, would just remove the elephant in the room.

All I can say in regards to the first story is, there is a right way, and a wrong way to make a strong impression. And that was the wrong way.

What an AD&D Paladin, the greatest of all evil!

I love how so many people get furious over a character death, because several classes (and there should always be at least one person who has it) get Revivify at 5th level.

@VayaKahvi

2 жыл бұрын

One time my character dying actually made it easier for the party to escape the dungeon we were in, cleric just scooped up her body into a bag of holding while the player declared she no longer counted as a being for the dimension door spell, but was now inventory weight. After a few shenanigans to get the needed materials he brought her back to life easy peasy.

The Yuan-Ti story was actually an amazing character concept. Sad it ended so terribly

women and magic? sounds like a dream come true!

@animeotaku307

2 жыл бұрын

A sorceress enters! Warlock: *retreats while hissing like a vampire that just saw the sun coming up*

If I was the DM of that Paladin story, I would have him them with this: "As you exit from the Dimension Door, the sky darkens as you and the Fighter feel something fly so close by your heads that any closer would've caved a face in, followed by a deafening thunderclap. Dread sets in as you turn around and see a large crater, with Mjolnir itself embedded in the center. A chill runs up your character's spine as they realize this is Thor's idea of warning shot." Because really, Thor doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who suffers Oathbreakers gladly. Stray from your oath once? He might give you an indirect, if dramatic, warning. Go full Oathbreaker after that? Congrats, you're about to experience what the Giants deal with on a daily basis.

this both makes me happy and sad I was just kinda wooden my first time playing dnd

that paladn has acted unbecoming of a paladin of thore

Is it just the horror stories, or does every player that focuses on a single strategy the DM has trouble dealing with act like a sore loser when the DM figures it out?

Honestly, thanks for covering the Yuan Ti horror story. I've been meaning to gauge how far is too far for a character. I wanted to go full neutral evil on a warlock who wants to cause the apocalypse but scrapped the idea because I don't want to curbstomp my friends' fun. That and I don't really like to play betrayal arcs. So after a bit of revamps, I made them to be a chaotic neutral warlock. He assumes their patron craves the apocalypse of his dystopian dimension. (In reality, patron doesnt care and is more obsessed with watching however the world turns.) So while in another alternate dimension with the party and other NPCs, he's just going to vibe while studying more about causing his world's apocalypse -- he'd mean no harm to the party and may actually change his goals once he either finds out about his patron or values his friends too much. So yeah, I just want to say that I think you can still have arguably evil goals but make your character flexible to the social setting and the party.

@VayaKahvi

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen evil characters work in parties, though my group has been playing together for over a decade so we're all familiar with each other's boundaries when it comes to PVP and betrayal. The evil character never directly targeted other party members to show his petty anger with them, but instead attacked things they had deep connections to, like when the cleric pissed him off the evil character told the cleric he was an ass and quietly went to his room to then go kill a high priest of the cleric's religion and paint some blasphemy around the body.

The dude playing the aarakocra... fall damage is just one of the risks of flight. If you don't take that into consideration that's on you.

Last Story - Honestly, the paladin is all to blame. Paladin tried to cause a TPK for reasons.

Let's goooo!!

Great video!

The DM in the last story should strip the Paladin of his powers or warn him that He is on thin ice for that one. I don't think a god who have him these Powers for sacrificing himself for his friends would accept someone as their champion who leaves his friends and inncoent people back to die while he just teleports to safety. If they resolve it or not the Paladin should at the very least get a warning that this is about to happen. Maybe a thunderous voice of his god appearing in his head, saying something along the lines of "I do not chose cowards and traitors to be my champions. Betray your charge another time and Bring shame to me and I will abandon you, as you abandoned your friends"

So about the aarakocra that is litterly why you need to have counterspell and can't fly higier than 60 feet so that it can reach the target. Also he was flying 90 feet in the air which doesn't make you out of range of a longbow/shortbow/crossbow

Why did the DM not block the yuan ti ahead of time? Did they not tell him their character was a cultist trying to recruit people for an evil god?

Playing an evil character is a fine balancing act. It is certainly not something I would promote a new player going with. You've got to manage party expectations, world expectations, and know how and when you can bend rules to your own advantage. I play evil characters sometimes - though I normally play lawful neutral - and when I do, my characters are usually somewhere in the realm of a sociopath who tends to get very attached to the party. They have favourite people (i.e the party members) and are willing to go to any lengths to protect them to the detriment of all others who get in their way.

I ran a lawful evil character in a good party once. A witch that had become a lawyer by sacrificing her now late husband. She was in an anti-magic, extremely controlling state where the monarch was enacting witch burnings all over and kangaroo courts to get those she just didn't like killed. The party came in to try to oust the monarch and my character agreed because "If this keeps on going it'll be my head that's next to roll." Ultimately I think the trick is having a common goal, and really sticking to LE if you're going to play Evil in a Good party. She would obey the word of her agreements (if not always the spirit) and she'd use magically enforced contracts that placed a Geas on the other party to fulfill their half of the contract once she fulfilled her half. Super fun character but didn't get to play her long.

Complete ban on evil characters is a bit much imo My last char was lawful evil (wererat) , wanted to found her own gang, didn't help others for free, was focused on her own advantage and occasionally stole and pickpocketed

@SCP01986

2 жыл бұрын

She sounds pretty adorable, not gonna lie.

Lmao! Omg I’m so sorry but I legit started laughing hysterically about the player character dying like that lmao! Poor birb

@RoseyCakess

2 жыл бұрын

Kakaw! *Splat*

If say it was a long lasting impression. They’ll remember that for a while.

Party was actually totally screwed in the last story, because the Echo Knight can’t teleport back - the Echo automatically disappears if you are ever a certain distance away.

@primeuniverse3588

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf the paladin also couldn’t forcefully to the fighter normally either, the participant has to be willing

On the "Leaving the Party to Die," story: This is why shit like Dimension Door has saves associated with it, and mentions unwilling/willing characters. As a DM, im not about to let a player force another player to abandon PCs like that. Not without saves or SOME kind of recourse.

That low head dam...very dangerous.

Thought the title of this video might've been a bit of an exaggeration, but nope. Doesn't even cover how baffling the player's opinions were.

Fog can't talk, obviously. - Warlock 2021.

The Yaun Ti story is the dms fault. They should not have allowed this to happen, you need to have a session 0 or equivalent to talk/discuss with the players what type of game they want and what you offer. Evil Characters in good parties can work, but they have to want to work with the party.

Last story. DM needs to have Thor come back down and take back Bards Paladin blessing, as Bard acted Totally and Completely Unworthy!

I put on this on, then went to start cooking and had to stop and come read the text to see what way the story went off the rails. lol

I was playing a one shot online with me being a male fighter, a female rogue and the dm. Investigating some necromancer"s tower. We ended up on the top of the icy tower fighting whatever the boss was (don't recall) and his minions. Rogue went down and was doing the death save thing. I ran to where she was at near the edge to try to get a healing potion in her and was hit with a gust of wind from a spell. Icy roof, no Osha standards regarding railings around the edge, I rolled a natural 1 on my save and fell the 50 feet. I didn't survive the fall. So tpk. The dm felt bad about it, and both rogue and I (we were all strangers on a pick up game) both unanimously said F feeling bad about it. You ran a great, smart game. It was a short story that didn't have a happy ending for the characters. But NOW you have two new minions to the boss' army that you've got a history with. He perked up and said he could add our failed clearing of the tower to the legend for whoever plays next.

I'm a first-time DM with some first-time players, and we are super-casual players. I told them early on, that they 1) know how to get resurrected (well, Raise Dead, within 10 days of death), and 2) I even gave them a few diamonds for the purpose (which they promptly used to raise some dead civilians. Gotta love these people!). They now know that death is a possibility, and I have even told them that for story reasons, I NEED at least one of them to die sometime, and 2) I will make sure that they can be raised. They're already prepared and know to save every diamond they find. They're ready for it, and death won't be a big deal in this game. Now, in the game we play with my brother as the DM, we are NOT prepared for character death. But, I said, out loud for all to hear, when my PC was in danger, "If I die, I'm planning on X for my next character." My niece looked at me and questioned how I could be so calm about character death. I just shrugged, and said, "It's just a game, after all. And it's not like it would be game over, either. Just make up a new character, and off we go!" I'm SO glad our group (same group for both games - family) is so casual about it. We enjoy it, but it's at least half just for the social get-together, and we "waste" a LOT of game time, just chatting and laughing and joking with each other, and that's OK. FOR US. But also, I never worry about these kinds of things happening, because none of us will take it that seriously. You have to find a group that fits your and your own personality. Want to have a serious game? Find a serious group. Want a casual game? Find a casual group. Chat up your DM BEFORE you start. I think it's funny how a lot of these stories start with the player putting in an application for approval by the DM, but the DM doesn't seem to introduce themselves to the players, at all. A lot of trouble could be avoided, if the DM did so, and then the players could say, "Eh, you might think I'm a good fit for you, but I know myself better than what shows up on that application, and based on your introduction, I think I wouldn't be the best fit for you, so I'm going to not waste anyone's time and pull out, now." I think Session 0 is something you can bring up and do at any point during the campaign, as often as needed, to keep things running smoothly, and fix little bumps along the way. But I also think think that, if you are not already a firmly established group, such a family/friends, who have been interacting together for a long time, either in this game or similar games, or just in general, that a Session 0 is NECESSARY BEFORE the game starts. If you are just meeting people for the first time, NEVER SKIP SESSION 0! Don't just focus on, "The game will be in X setting, and you need to set up your characters to fit X." You need to say, "We'll be a serious/casual/in-between game, and I expect X, Y, and Z. Here are the rules of play AT THIS TABLE. Here is what we find acceptable, not acceptable. If anyone has a problem, here is the process for dealing with the problem, to minimize humiliation and escalation." I'm not saying it's the DM's fault for the players having a melt-down, because his PC died. I'm just saying, in general, that if EVERYONE were up-front about their own personalities, needs, and play-styles, we'd have a lot fewer stories. So, maybe I should be glad they don't, because I do enjoy these stories! Keep 'em comin'!

Its almost as if giving paladin levels to a fickle bard was a **bad** idea.

Final story: Yeah, the DM's an idiot for not looking closer at the "Paladin's" Oath. I don't know any Oath that could be stretched well enough to literally abandon people who have done no wrong to you or anyone you've seen since meeting them to their own death. OP has literally nothing to feel bad about, they failed an important skill check and that happens to literally all of us from time to time, but that in no way lays any culpability on them for the ensuing train wreck. The "Paladin" and his player clearly have some ulterior motive as to why they obviously hate the characters Talon and Fludi, what that motive is? Who knows. Let's do a deeper dive shall we? Thor is Chaotic Good, and his domains are generally Tempest and War. So what could his Oath be? Conquest? Nah, reading the general opener of that tells me Thor would never be into Conquest. It does mention war, yes, but also "well-ordered might". Chaotic Good, order is the antithesis of chaos, so no. If it was Devotion I would've instantly turned him into an Oath-Breaker and booted him from his previously chosen Oath for that behavior. Same with Glory, it promotes camaraderie between people, what the "Paladin" did was definitely not that. Redemption? No. Just no. Can't be Ancients either, mercy, kindness and forgiveness is one of their tenets so that's a non-starter. It's not Crown either, tenets of Law, Loyalty, Courage and Responsibility? I didn't exactly see that in his behavior. Same deal with Watchers. The tenets of Vengeance are a little more ambiguous, but I still don't see how you could turn his behavior into something that would suit them either really. So there you have it, I've examined every official 5e Paladin Oath and I don't see one he could have that would allow him to act that way other than Oath-Breaker. Could it be a homebrew Oath? Sure, but it didn't sound that way from what OP was saying, and even if it was it doesn't much matter. I may not know what Oath the "Paladin" had, but I do have a general idea of Thor's temperament and ideology. Thor wouldn't allow something like that from someone who is literally one of his representatives. Oath-Breaker at best, at worst? Struck dead by Thor himself.

Raging at Simple Death - In a game where resurrections are common as shit. Hmmm. A couple of players in the Cyberpunk game I was running engaged in PVP - A: "You and me. Mano e mano. Right Now!" B: (Eagerly) "Fuckin' Oath!" - I guess that constitutes mutual consent. 😄 (The two characters had long-standing in-game rivalry and mutual dislike.) Challenger wins initiative, attack is a *single* aimed punch to the forehead and, despite negative DM for Called Target, challenger beats defender's Dodge score and hits. Challenger then explains that as the Orbital Crystal cyberarm makes contact with the forehead, the impact triggers a single spike that extends out from between the knuckles, punches a hole through the forehead and brain then quickly retracts into the cyberhand, leaving nothing but a neat hole in the character's head. Rolls damage per spike's specifications. Instant death. In a setting with no hope of resurrection/revival from such a wound. Response from the player of the character that was basically sucker-punched to death: "COOL!! Fuckin' AWESOME!" Utterly rapt that his character "went out in such a cool way". He had deliberately played his character to be generally annoying and actively participated in the in-game "feud" between the characters. IRL, the two *players* got on really well. Y' plays the game, y' takes ya chances. And you don't bitch when the consequences of your character's actions results in the character's death.

Let's gooooo TEAM CRISPY

I heard that paladin story before, only it ended with the next session, he refused to apologize or take responsibility, because "I don't trust them!" So, the DM made him a FALLEN paladin. "Your God is VERY displeased with your actions, which go against his creed, and you lose ALL your paladin powers!" "WHAT?! That's NOT FAIR!!!!" Ugh. The whole story was just an awful example of "I'm the hero, because I say I am, and if anyone new comes in, I have to kill them, so I can be the hero."

fall damage is what u expect when u decide to fly

Geas is promise or vow magic of celtic origin. It's basically the Unbreakable Vow from Harry Potter. You don't necessarily die, but you'll be basically damned to hell if you break it. Interesting idea for an evil organization to use them for world domination, as they aren't one time deals.

It made a steong impression. Really hoping my story is in here i submittited it like a month ago at the begning if december

In the one story why would you ever plan to kill your whole party, that's only gonna make them not want to play with you. about the Paladin why wouldn't he of fell by abandoning your friends? the flying well if you fly high enough what do you expect happen if you fall down, but it was a bit of overkill but sounds like that is the type of game most of the players wanted the other story don't be like that: 1 it's a rpg with magic (wtf would you play if you hate magic) and the other thing just don't be like that period

Let's go, team

I like the idea of the Yaun-Ti story. It could be great if the player was in on it, and would love to have said character caught that way.

I think a lot of people want a DM that won't kill their characters but feel like their cheating or something if they specifically seek out a dm that doesn't kill players

Any build, strong or not, you need to understand a good dm will throw counters at you occasionally. Now if every enemy has an unusual counter to a player that is either very strong or the disagreed with the DM on something, that’s another thing.

i once had a character attacked by a rogue (this dm likes to make npcs that are just player characters, i tell them they probably shouldn't as player characters try to have enough complexity to keep 1 player occupied, and they're running like 5 of them at any time, but oh well) which would down them. and i had a moment of "fuck no", however did i call the dm out? not really (i think), but i realised i should have rolled for maybe wildmagic, did have a wildmagic surge... weakness to piercing... at that point i told the dm to not hold back. my character died instantly with no death saves.

Paladin loses his powers, end of story, redemption: maybe. this DM is shit.

@kyosokutai

2 жыл бұрын

Paladin did lose his paladinhood in the next session. Player blew up.

0:50 Nah... I'd rather call it mission completed catastrophically.

So many horror* stories where a player or DM takes issue with magic

Snake woman dressed as a nun recruiting for an evil cult while pretending it is the religion of a love goddess - sounds like Lair of the White Worm.

Attack!

Looks like several cases of "main character syndrome"

Gaes - read Gesh. Celtic word for a very strong suggestion/ hypnosis type spell. In dnd it lasts like a month

I dont know if I agree with the DM claiming it's their story. It's the group's story. A lot of the RPG horror stories I here on KZread can boil down to the DM thinking their telling their story, not facilitating the group's story. Nonconsenting railroading, main characters DMPCs, and sometimes resentment fuels DM vs PC play can be rooted in this mindset.

@falionna3587

2 жыл бұрын

If it's story two, I think it's more of their story to share on the web as opposed to their story on the table?

@MattHaku39

2 жыл бұрын

I think they meant "that's my rpg horror story" rather than "this is the story of the dnd campaign" since they mentioned browsing the sub in the beginning. But yeah I definitely misunderstood that at first as well XD

Honestly the Yuan-Ti story is probably mostly on the DM, trying to dissuade the player by fucking over the character rather than just being genuine about the scope of the story and just saying "this is not the kind of game I want to run, you can be an evil character but I already have a BBEG"

The 2 rules I never break and never want broken in my party is "never split the party" and "no pvp". Sure, you can grab a PC if you want but no actual combat/ Hp damage. Just not worth it. Pvp also creates resentment between players, intentional or not and that's never fun.

@redballoon9007

Жыл бұрын

Both of these senerios could make some good RP/plot happen depending on how well it’s handled. Splitting the party could have the characters uncover secrets that would otherwise be left untouched. And as long as everyone knows that the PVP isn’t personal, PVP could lead to character growth and tension. PVP could also create angst and emotional moments if the PVP is forced by narrative (for example a brainwashed pc vs another pc)

So is there a part 2 to the last story???

In the current campaign I am playing in, I have lost two characters. I am on my third character.

Trinston was here.

Evil players in good parties can work, but yeah, you gotta think about why they won't kill each other. For example, in our game, we have such a character, and our solution was simple. He's greedy and will do anything for money. Including good things. The other, good players literally just pay him off to not do evil things. Sure this could potentially be abused, but none of the good characters care about money enough to care that the evil one gets more money. It's a fun arrangement and makes for interesting escapades. (They're all chaotic too, so that makes things easier lol.)

In regards to the last story, I don't think OP was at fault at all. Would it have been a good idea to cast detect magic on the door or something to try to figure out if it had magical traps? Sure, but it was an honest mistake that really I'm not sure if I'd count as a mistake. It's something the enemies had placed and the player tried their best to approach. As for the emotions running high from OP, it makes 100% sense in game from what happened and I think the olive branch was probably the most OOC and blame I can put on OP. That to me seems more metagamy to try to smooth things over when it isn't their responsibility to do so. This should have been the GM looking to the Paladin and asking if he's sure he wants to do this as having seen OP and Talon's bravery, he'd likely recognize that Thor would see them as valiant warriors and worthy of fighting alongside. I truly think OP did nothing wrong here.