Contacted I9 about the updated axle since I was replacing all the bearings and they sent me the axle and kit no questions asked. First time on Hydra and I’m liking it, but I also have a wheel set with Onyx so it’s not that much difference in the engagement. I have had the pawl hang up a little… my wheel set is $1800 Ibis carbon so no complaints. I prefer instant engagement because of the trails I ride it helps a lot and I’m disabled and getting older and need all the help I can get, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get an e-bike. Thanks for the video!
@45graham453 күн бұрын
Great explanation & love the fact that you include all of the messurements. This makes the explanations even clearer. Thanks.
@reallybigphilly5 күн бұрын
Interesting video! The dimensional differences are smaller than I expected. I am looking into a hand made wheelset to replace my stock wheels, as I am a heavy rider (108kg). I don't break wheels often, but most issues I have had with my mountain bikes are things like broken spokes, bent axles or out-of-wack freehubs. I've rarely had rim damage though - likely in part due to running relatively high pressures to support my weight. As I ride mostly XC and trail, with the very occasional bike park lap, I am looking mostly at the lighter end of the spectrum, so probably XM481 with maybe an EX511 on the rear. Also, having a lot of red color accents on my bike, the DT swiss logo would complement this very well 😂
@OughtibridgeWAC8 күн бұрын
Thank you (only) 6minutes and very clear and to the point as good as it gets
@NiohNiohYT15 күн бұрын
Thoughts on reliability and durability, ease of service.
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels9 күн бұрын
Durability is always tough with a new product...we really need a year of actual use in the field to see issues pop up -TT
@ssmtb15 күн бұрын
Thoughts on durability & ease of service compared to exp and dt swiss classics (not sure if that's the correct name, referring to the models which have springs on both sides)
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels9 күн бұрын
the naming convention is a mess! Ratchet, Ratchet LN, Ratchet EXP, Ratchet EXP OS and Ratchet DEG
@SteveCraven-fn9rv15 күн бұрын
Great Video, I'm interested in what the finish of the rim is like. I have EX1700's off a Transition Spire Carbon and the rims(mostly the back) are cosmetically terrible, it must be from sealant and lube, but nothing will clean them up, drives me nuts. Do the FR541 have more of a gloss finish? Cheers
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels15 күн бұрын
All of the modern rims that use the PHR nipple washer (ie: not the ones with visible silver eyelets) use the same matte finish. Generally we've found it to be pretty durable and still look good after lube, sealant, dirt etc. Do you have any photos? -Tristan
@Cycling_in_ja19 күн бұрын
Thanks
@ahmmed4421 күн бұрын
I am running shimano ultegra 11 speed group set. Planning to buy a new wheelset shimano duraace 9270 and shimano says that this wheelset is only compatible with 12 speed. Can I use it with my existing 11 speed ultegra group set?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels20 күн бұрын
No...Shimano have decided to make the Ultegra and DuraAce wheels not backwards-compatible with 11 speed cassettes. They're the only company (that I'm aware of) who does this so wheels from another company (such as us!) will be fine -Tristan
@ryanprentice692123 күн бұрын
Bruh... I wouldn't call 9g off the axle a "massive weight savings"
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels22 күн бұрын
Going from 31.7g to 22.6 is a 28% weight saving...while 9g isn't huge in the context of the whole bike it's a considerable amount on such a small item -TT
@username-mk8gf25 күн бұрын
These would be great with 1)steel rims, for better compliance and durability than carbon, the weight should be mitigated by the virtually weightless cord spokes. 2)electric hub wheels, lots of compliance to protect the motor, which is great because hub driven bikes should be hardtails anyway, otherwise the wheel flys everywhere on the swing arm like grandpa jogging without a jockstrap. They are the lightest spokes on the market, regardless of the compliance, not anymore expensive than anything else if you lace the wheel yourself, and Berd is a solid American company.
@boblatkey716029 күн бұрын
OK so they make noise while free wheeling? And no spare parts available? OK thank you, Onyx Vesper it is!
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels22 күн бұрын
happy to say that all of the spare parts for the Berd Talon hubs are now available! They're also showed themselves to be very good quality and durable. -Tristan
@spadabikeАй бұрын
Has anyone found statistically which brands of tires cause problems? the rims can be measured to the nearest cent when they come out of the mold and there is a precise common standard to be respected. for tyres, on the contrary, there is no standard yet, the hookless coupling tolerance is the most important aspect to avoid these dangers ( second one 80s vintage pressures at 8 atm) a well-known Italian cotton rubber declared hl compatible goes on a rim with just one hand, it will clearly come off with the same ease or worse after use, same for some continental years 2020-21 now modified and within very tight, suitable tolerances. circumferences of tyre rings were measured with differences of up to 1.5 cm in total! how can we talk about a system that should be abandoned without a coupling rule? as long as tire manufacturers have differences beyond the conceivable, system safety will not be proposed. 15 years ago the same MTB route, now standardized although without the push of common rules.
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
don't forget that rims will shrink in circumference slightly when the tyres are inflated, but as you say no where near as much as the tyres variability -TT
@kevintraynor4508Ай бұрын
I think I need a spokes person😁
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels22 күн бұрын
I'm available for hire ;-) -Tristan
@logicsetsyoufree9052Ай бұрын
Does the 240 make that cool sound just like the 180 when coasting??
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
All hubs that use the 'Ratchet' system (350 and old 240) will sound the same, and all 'Ratchet EXP" (new 240, 180) sound the same -TT
@EdBraunbeckАй бұрын
Reynolds with Hydra hubs was quick to replace my axle with the new design. It lasted +1,700 miles of moderate abuse on my Pivot Shuttle SL.
@GokkunGuruАй бұрын
The logo design is hideous. The Talon font looks AliExpress quality.
@andyeunson270Ай бұрын
I think the issue with road tubeless is as you said, tires and rims are not manufactured to tolerances that are exact enough. Thus loose fitting tires blowing off rims. I’ve been using tubeless on mountainbikes for over 20 years and still some tire and rim combinations aren’t ideal. I used road UST when it first came. I liked it when I was on Dura ace tubeless wheels with the Hutchinson UST certified tires. They were excellent. That first UST designation required that tires could be mounted by hand and pumped up with floor pump. Those tires also had carbon fibre beads so as not to stretch and potentially blow off. I think if a tire on a hookless rim fit tightly enough, that would solve the issues people have. Let’s not forget that regular clinchers with tubes can blow off hooked rims too. We use to see that once or twice a month in explosive fashion in the shops I worked at in the 80s.
@SleepyGonzalesАй бұрын
I have a disc with a 10 speed hub, I machined the back off an 11 speed cassette to make it fit, do you think I will be able to do the same with these cassettes?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
I can't see why not - there is plenty of meat there -TT
@daniel971201Ай бұрын
Actually the problems are solver ?
@danielefalchi7432Ай бұрын
Does it works with Ultegra 12v on a 11vv as well?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
Yes, Ultegra and 105 12 speed are the same -TT
@hardmtnbikerАй бұрын
Do the Pro 5 hub shells have wider flanges than the Pro 4? Did you say the CL Pro 5’ have wider flange spacing than the 6 bolt?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
6-bolt Pro5 is essentially the same as the Pro4. The Pro5 CL is slightly narrower than the 6-bolt. See www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/Pro5_PCD_J_Bend2(1).pdf
@AnotherMrLizardАй бұрын
Mega easy to lace a straight pull wheel and fairly straight forward to replace a spoke without removing the rotor and cassette. Apart from that they are just terrible.
@pengujedi4559Ай бұрын
your website is shit
@jonpeterson4085Ай бұрын
are electric bikes with rear hub motors more likely to break spokes?
@songoten5880Ай бұрын
Amazing video! I race enduro and while training this weekend my front wheel snapped in a Heavy turn sending me right over the bars. I destroyed so many rims in the past it ain’t even funny. (The wheel that broke was a basic WTB rim that came stock with the bike). Do you guys think the EX511 in the front and FR541 in the back is enough? Or should I just screw these 100g and go full FR? Curious about your answers! Greetings from Germany
@Lordwonga.2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@lanceblack8882 ай бұрын
Do they use the same brakes, can I put a centrelock disk wheel on a bike that’s designed for 6 bolt?
@georgethecat3402 ай бұрын
Mine can do 80
@dtibor59032 ай бұрын
I have some old mavic wheels, 24 spokes, they are soft and mushy as hell. Ideal for city with 32mm tires :))
@Gledii2 ай бұрын
thanks for sharing. do you know if this issue is solved for the models 2023 and 2024?
@Christmylife782 ай бұрын
How about using a Pinner axle? Have you used them on your wheel builds?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
No, we haven't used the Pinner axles. I worry about the super-stiff axle being really hard on freehub bodies. -Tristan
@marianozarate72382 ай бұрын
Hi friend, what difference can be or what can happen with a wheel that has to 2 spokes replace with a 1 mm of difference of length? By the way is a straight pull spokes wheel, thanks, great channel I can see your high level of knowledge
@trentvlak2 ай бұрын
I like it. But whenever I've broken a spoke, the nipple side rockets upward and punctures the tubeless tape, instantly flatting my tire. So that's a whole disassembly job.
@stepan.furman2 ай бұрын
Still have to remove ratchet ring housing from to replace bearings?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels23 күн бұрын
Yep :-(
@duncandoughnuts_za2 ай бұрын
Huge fan of hope. Question: is the only different between the ebike version and the standard version the freehub body/driver ? Or is there a difference in the hub shell and axle ?
@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels2 ай бұрын
Hub shell and axle are the same....it's just the freehub which is different
@MosesMugambi-mx6cp2 ай бұрын
I have a pro 2 evo and i need tu convert it into quick release;what are the best measurements of the adapters
@AFV852 ай бұрын
I remember my trip to Cubes factory in Germany last year they were building DT Swiss wheels on machines! Was very interesting!
@samuelknoll60983 ай бұрын
mine is crazy about volume sound after the first ride - love it !
@rickammons86803 ай бұрын
The other issue is regarding heavier riders who require higher pressures on road wheels. Not all cyclists are skinny as a rail and weigh 130 lbs, For us bigger riders, hookless just doesn't work.
@ANDEVILGEL043 ай бұрын
Which one is better for intercity and trail ride? Thank you🎉
@MarkusFinholt3 ай бұрын
Thank you. Straight to the point and quick video.
@KristjanKoppel1233 ай бұрын
Hey Wheelworks! Does the hubs have some kind of rider weight limit also? Let's say i'm 85kg rider - what would be best for me?
@GaLaxY-19053 ай бұрын
What's the difference between intern and extern rotors?
@oeifjoasef3 ай бұрын
I bought a set of wheels with the Hydra hub in July 2022. The rear hub had the old axle and failed about a year later. Industry 9 sent me the improved designed axle with new bearings. Now less than a year later 2 of the bearings are completely shot. The axle seem fine but to have to replacing bearing this frequently seem like this design is still problematic.
@oiyo51243 ай бұрын
Does 2022 HG freehub comes in steel? I think I read before that the old vs new bearing position have been moved outward more or something. What about the QR end caps for boost and non boost to QR, front and rear, are they the same? Thanks a lot! You are the best on this technical stuff!
@oiyo51243 ай бұрын
Is it also true that the centerlock hubs have smaller bearing sizes than the 6 bolt versions
@mindbalance_cc3 ай бұрын
Great video but curious what spoke tension balance would consider unacceptable. Meaning is a L and R difference of 100% / 45% considered too low? Here the low % is for the drive side of a front disc wheel - as in they’d be at 45% of the tension given to the disc side spokes. Just wondering if this should be say always at least 50% of the high tension side or if this can be managed by building well and stressing the wheel well 🤔
@BloodyClash3 ай бұрын
😁just bought two rr481 and have no idea what it's actually for. put it on my trekking bike because it looks good
@lukaszpowalowski83423 ай бұрын
Has this problem been solved by the 2023 production year ? Also, this has not been happening with the 54T kit, right?
@charleskoehler52553 ай бұрын
Could you do an update on this review..? I am seeing allot of negative comments of issues about these.
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Contacted I9 about the updated axle since I was replacing all the bearings and they sent me the axle and kit no questions asked. First time on Hydra and I’m liking it, but I also have a wheel set with Onyx so it’s not that much difference in the engagement. I have had the pawl hang up a little… my wheel set is $1800 Ibis carbon so no complaints. I prefer instant engagement because of the trails I ride it helps a lot and I’m disabled and getting older and need all the help I can get, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get an e-bike. Thanks for the video!
Great explanation & love the fact that you include all of the messurements. This makes the explanations even clearer. Thanks.
Interesting video! The dimensional differences are smaller than I expected. I am looking into a hand made wheelset to replace my stock wheels, as I am a heavy rider (108kg). I don't break wheels often, but most issues I have had with my mountain bikes are things like broken spokes, bent axles or out-of-wack freehubs. I've rarely had rim damage though - likely in part due to running relatively high pressures to support my weight. As I ride mostly XC and trail, with the very occasional bike park lap, I am looking mostly at the lighter end of the spectrum, so probably XM481 with maybe an EX511 on the rear. Also, having a lot of red color accents on my bike, the DT swiss logo would complement this very well 😂
Thank you (only) 6minutes and very clear and to the point as good as it gets
Thoughts on reliability and durability, ease of service.
Durability is always tough with a new product...we really need a year of actual use in the field to see issues pop up -TT
Thoughts on durability & ease of service compared to exp and dt swiss classics (not sure if that's the correct name, referring to the models which have springs on both sides)
the naming convention is a mess! Ratchet, Ratchet LN, Ratchet EXP, Ratchet EXP OS and Ratchet DEG
Great Video, I'm interested in what the finish of the rim is like. I have EX1700's off a Transition Spire Carbon and the rims(mostly the back) are cosmetically terrible, it must be from sealant and lube, but nothing will clean them up, drives me nuts. Do the FR541 have more of a gloss finish? Cheers
All of the modern rims that use the PHR nipple washer (ie: not the ones with visible silver eyelets) use the same matte finish. Generally we've found it to be pretty durable and still look good after lube, sealant, dirt etc. Do you have any photos? -Tristan
Thanks
I am running shimano ultegra 11 speed group set. Planning to buy a new wheelset shimano duraace 9270 and shimano says that this wheelset is only compatible with 12 speed. Can I use it with my existing 11 speed ultegra group set?
No...Shimano have decided to make the Ultegra and DuraAce wheels not backwards-compatible with 11 speed cassettes. They're the only company (that I'm aware of) who does this so wheels from another company (such as us!) will be fine -Tristan
Bruh... I wouldn't call 9g off the axle a "massive weight savings"
Going from 31.7g to 22.6 is a 28% weight saving...while 9g isn't huge in the context of the whole bike it's a considerable amount on such a small item -TT
These would be great with 1)steel rims, for better compliance and durability than carbon, the weight should be mitigated by the virtually weightless cord spokes. 2)electric hub wheels, lots of compliance to protect the motor, which is great because hub driven bikes should be hardtails anyway, otherwise the wheel flys everywhere on the swing arm like grandpa jogging without a jockstrap. They are the lightest spokes on the market, regardless of the compliance, not anymore expensive than anything else if you lace the wheel yourself, and Berd is a solid American company.
OK so they make noise while free wheeling? And no spare parts available? OK thank you, Onyx Vesper it is!
happy to say that all of the spare parts for the Berd Talon hubs are now available! They're also showed themselves to be very good quality and durable. -Tristan
Has anyone found statistically which brands of tires cause problems? the rims can be measured to the nearest cent when they come out of the mold and there is a precise common standard to be respected. for tyres, on the contrary, there is no standard yet, the hookless coupling tolerance is the most important aspect to avoid these dangers ( second one 80s vintage pressures at 8 atm) a well-known Italian cotton rubber declared hl compatible goes on a rim with just one hand, it will clearly come off with the same ease or worse after use, same for some continental years 2020-21 now modified and within very tight, suitable tolerances. circumferences of tyre rings were measured with differences of up to 1.5 cm in total! how can we talk about a system that should be abandoned without a coupling rule? as long as tire manufacturers have differences beyond the conceivable, system safety will not be proposed. 15 years ago the same MTB route, now standardized although without the push of common rules.
don't forget that rims will shrink in circumference slightly when the tyres are inflated, but as you say no where near as much as the tyres variability -TT
I think I need a spokes person😁
I'm available for hire ;-) -Tristan
Does the 240 make that cool sound just like the 180 when coasting??
All hubs that use the 'Ratchet' system (350 and old 240) will sound the same, and all 'Ratchet EXP" (new 240, 180) sound the same -TT
Reynolds with Hydra hubs was quick to replace my axle with the new design. It lasted +1,700 miles of moderate abuse on my Pivot Shuttle SL.
The logo design is hideous. The Talon font looks AliExpress quality.
I think the issue with road tubeless is as you said, tires and rims are not manufactured to tolerances that are exact enough. Thus loose fitting tires blowing off rims. I’ve been using tubeless on mountainbikes for over 20 years and still some tire and rim combinations aren’t ideal. I used road UST when it first came. I liked it when I was on Dura ace tubeless wheels with the Hutchinson UST certified tires. They were excellent. That first UST designation required that tires could be mounted by hand and pumped up with floor pump. Those tires also had carbon fibre beads so as not to stretch and potentially blow off. I think if a tire on a hookless rim fit tightly enough, that would solve the issues people have. Let’s not forget that regular clinchers with tubes can blow off hooked rims too. We use to see that once or twice a month in explosive fashion in the shops I worked at in the 80s.
I have a disc with a 10 speed hub, I machined the back off an 11 speed cassette to make it fit, do you think I will be able to do the same with these cassettes?
I can't see why not - there is plenty of meat there -TT
Actually the problems are solver ?
Does it works with Ultegra 12v on a 11vv as well?
Yes, Ultegra and 105 12 speed are the same -TT
Do the Pro 5 hub shells have wider flanges than the Pro 4? Did you say the CL Pro 5’ have wider flange spacing than the 6 bolt?
6-bolt Pro5 is essentially the same as the Pro4. The Pro5 CL is slightly narrower than the 6-bolt. See www.hopetech.com/_repository/1/documents/Pro5_PCD_J_Bend2(1).pdf
Mega easy to lace a straight pull wheel and fairly straight forward to replace a spoke without removing the rotor and cassette. Apart from that they are just terrible.
your website is shit
are electric bikes with rear hub motors more likely to break spokes?
Amazing video! I race enduro and while training this weekend my front wheel snapped in a Heavy turn sending me right over the bars. I destroyed so many rims in the past it ain’t even funny. (The wheel that broke was a basic WTB rim that came stock with the bike). Do you guys think the EX511 in the front and FR541 in the back is enough? Or should I just screw these 100g and go full FR? Curious about your answers! Greetings from Germany
Thanks
Do they use the same brakes, can I put a centrelock disk wheel on a bike that’s designed for 6 bolt?
Mine can do 80
I have some old mavic wheels, 24 spokes, they are soft and mushy as hell. Ideal for city with 32mm tires :))
thanks for sharing. do you know if this issue is solved for the models 2023 and 2024?
How about using a Pinner axle? Have you used them on your wheel builds?
No, we haven't used the Pinner axles. I worry about the super-stiff axle being really hard on freehub bodies. -Tristan
Hi friend, what difference can be or what can happen with a wheel that has to 2 spokes replace with a 1 mm of difference of length? By the way is a straight pull spokes wheel, thanks, great channel I can see your high level of knowledge
I like it. But whenever I've broken a spoke, the nipple side rockets upward and punctures the tubeless tape, instantly flatting my tire. So that's a whole disassembly job.
Still have to remove ratchet ring housing from to replace bearings?
Yep :-(
Huge fan of hope. Question: is the only different between the ebike version and the standard version the freehub body/driver ? Or is there a difference in the hub shell and axle ?
Hub shell and axle are the same....it's just the freehub which is different
I have a pro 2 evo and i need tu convert it into quick release;what are the best measurements of the adapters
I remember my trip to Cubes factory in Germany last year they were building DT Swiss wheels on machines! Was very interesting!
mine is crazy about volume sound after the first ride - love it !
The other issue is regarding heavier riders who require higher pressures on road wheels. Not all cyclists are skinny as a rail and weigh 130 lbs, For us bigger riders, hookless just doesn't work.
Which one is better for intercity and trail ride? Thank you🎉
Thank you. Straight to the point and quick video.
Hey Wheelworks! Does the hubs have some kind of rider weight limit also? Let's say i'm 85kg rider - what would be best for me?
What's the difference between intern and extern rotors?
I bought a set of wheels with the Hydra hub in July 2022. The rear hub had the old axle and failed about a year later. Industry 9 sent me the improved designed axle with new bearings. Now less than a year later 2 of the bearings are completely shot. The axle seem fine but to have to replacing bearing this frequently seem like this design is still problematic.
Does 2022 HG freehub comes in steel? I think I read before that the old vs new bearing position have been moved outward more or something. What about the QR end caps for boost and non boost to QR, front and rear, are they the same? Thanks a lot! You are the best on this technical stuff!
Is it also true that the centerlock hubs have smaller bearing sizes than the 6 bolt versions
Great video but curious what spoke tension balance would consider unacceptable. Meaning is a L and R difference of 100% / 45% considered too low? Here the low % is for the drive side of a front disc wheel - as in they’d be at 45% of the tension given to the disc side spokes. Just wondering if this should be say always at least 50% of the high tension side or if this can be managed by building well and stressing the wheel well 🤔
😁just bought two rr481 and have no idea what it's actually for. put it on my trekking bike because it looks good
Has this problem been solved by the 2023 production year ? Also, this has not been happening with the 54T kit, right?
Could you do an update on this review..? I am seeing allot of negative comments of issues about these.