Love SOT - they are possibly the best Termies in the game now - I always start my list with a 10 man and a 5 man before I go anywhere else. with an Exalted S for reroll 1s to hit, those numbers get even better. And they are so hard to remove, they are extremly tough and get much tougher with other psychic powers, and getting wounds and models back. They can break your opponents will. And with body guard and Heroic 2 d 6 strats you do not even have to put them in front of the Exalted S.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I didn't even factor in the core re-rolls with a nearby Character as the stats were just mad as is, and if you have a 10 Block, the chances are they will be away from an Exalted doing all the damage up front somewhere. But I've started list crafting the same as you. Start with this 10 unit and a 5, and go from there. They are just mad good!

@chrisg8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldAverageBritGaming Take another 5 man with the movement spell for a guaranteed deep strike charge ;)

Mean termies! Causing fear once more! “Did you touch my pyramid? Get him!!”

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Never touch a pyramid without permission :)

im runing 1 blob of 10

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Thats definitely the bare minimum auto include!

Thanks Nick. I’m looking forward to unwrapping my Hexfire Box and putting these guys together.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!!! My box is still unassembled due to time but that’s gonna change very soon to add more SOT!

I think there is some value to splitting the 10 man into two five mans. You lose cheap CP spending but gain another psychic power a ritual point, do not have to follow coherency and are not giving shots to blast weapons While also still keeping the hellfire racks and soul reaper cannons. 1K sons have so many things that can help generate more CP that with the right builds the five man squads vastly outweigh the 10 man.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed there sure is value in running multi 5 SOT units but the trade off for the extra Cabal Point and 1 power is the force multiplier of all the buffs on something twice the size. Cabal. points shouldn’t really be a huge issue with the new Icon of Flame rules on Rubrics. I totally get the blast issue for being over 6 though but hopefully by the time that happens you have done the critical damage and brought back dead terminators to keep on going! I’ll certainly play with both options though as once I’ve done my Helfire box I’ll have 20 of these sweet Termies to run multiple builds! Cheers for the input👍👍👍

Hey man, love your videos for TS so far! Agreed on creating this death star unit. I'm running two detachments with 10 man SOT and 10 Rubrics in one with Duplicity to get shooting pay offs and a smaller squad size detachment in time to get the best of the traits and relics. Only had one game and didn't have all the models.to.do this so I am hoping this is a set up that plays well.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear! Double dipping across 2 detachments and Cults sounds lots of fun! How do you remember who is in what during the heat of battle out of interest?

@chrisrobb8014

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldAverageBritGaming a great question! I am going to use little coloured sticky dots and have them correlate with a print out with powers etc.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Nice solution. I’ve seen different bases or other markers used. Sticky dots is a new one and sounds ideal!

Its hard to describe how i use them. The 10 men get the buffs and wreck stuff. Hold objective and survive until the late game. Also spam doombolt. The other of 5 hold smaller objectives and get angles. Sometimes teleport in.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like you described how you use them quite well! One unit to wreck and the rest to do their thing and play the OBJ!

@ninjalad18

2 жыл бұрын

When you say "spam doombolt" do you mean more than once per phase? Cause if so naughty, naughty.

@DareToWonder

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninjalad18 u can use it twice by using cabal points

@ninjalad18

2 жыл бұрын

@@DareToWonder you can do that on non character psykers?! SPICY

@DareToWonder

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninjalad18 doesnt need to be char (but i recommend chars to do it.)

SOT w/ a 10 man unit, using Cult of Duplicity, and a unit giving them Glamour of Tzeench, and a infernal master giving them Malefic Maelstrom is to good. +1 Strength, and -1 to hit, then them giving themselves Presage for +1 to hit all the while they got within 9" away turn one. Then the strat to give them +1 to wound, and -1 Damage. Makes them imo the best terminators in the game, hitting on 2+, and when vs toughness 6-9 hitting on 4, and toughness +10 hitting on 5 with Infernal Combi-bolter that has a -2 AP

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Its an epic set of buffs on such a great unit for sure.. All while being ObSec for good measure. The return on utility investment is difficult to rival I think by other factions.

Deepstrike one unit with the movement spell for a guaranteed charge ;) You're welcome.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

You can't actually use the new Warp Time spell to move after a unit has been teleported on there board as far as I am aware. That was even Errata'd out of the game last edition as well if memory serves.

@chrisg8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldAverageBritGaming Thanks. Yeah I think I heard it mentioned offhandedly in another video just recently. I double-checked the book earlier today and it does say they can't be moved. Figured I'd leave my incorrect comment for posterity ;) However would this restriction still apply to u nits moved with the crystal / Duplicity spell since technically they aren't reserves ;)

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I dont believe it affects other movement abilities in the same way as they are "on the board" rather than arriving from any method defined as arriving from reserve.

@chrisg8321

2 жыл бұрын

@@OldAverageBritGaming Awesome :)

i love scerabs

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Awwww yeah!

Running 1 big unit what’s do you think of knowledge re-roll 1 to wound seems really good

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I think the other Cults are just that bit stronger for the objective based side of the game tbh. If it was “kill loads” then perhaps this would be more of a consideration?

Is 5 terminator enough for 1000 point army?

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah at 1k 5 should be enough I think

What about vortex beast?

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll be covering that beast very soon!

Ideal number of Scarab. 10x1 and 2x5. Dont need hellfyre missles.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Im going to give a 3rd unit a chance I think, it might be overkill, but I think it may depend if you are running the Contemptor Volkites or pure dusty units and have a lot of Rubrics. I think the issue with Hellfyre will depend on your local gaming opponents. Also, I'd imagine most of us build our Scarabs with them, so to play WYSIWYG they'd be included for me.

@chrisg8321

2 жыл бұрын

With +1S the missiles are S9 so you get a two shot mini-lascannon for 10 pts. I think its worth it.

@DareToWonder

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisg8321 yeah the missles are worth it. That extra oomph is good. Also its either 5x3 or 10x3.

It's really tempting to not even deep-strike these guys. Especially with Cult of Duplicity. Get that damage in early.

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Totally tempting isn’t it so you don’t wait for turn 2 deepstrikes. Just Crystal them if needed!

@windwalkerrangerdm

2 жыл бұрын

I have done this twice until now, started them on the board, and in one game with duplicity I made a small teleport jump turn 1 to get into shooting position (I was going the second), and in one game with cult of time I made them advance and double move onto a middle objective turn 1, but in that game I was going first and I also advanced magnus midfield and had a risen-flamer-rubricae squad in my opponent's face (the same opponent in both games, playing space wolves). In both games I won with 4-5 points (maybe irrelevant with starting on the board). But it was nice to charge onto the face of space wolves, something which I never could do with my beloved tyranids.

Used to play 20. Then i sent sleeping the useless Deamon prince and went up to 25. Never made a better decision xD

@OldAverageBritGaming

2 жыл бұрын

Haha the DP still has a place but not auto picked like before I’d agree