Why Ghostbusters 2016 Didn't Work

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It's been 4 years since Ghostbusters 2016 divided the internet. With the added advantage of perspective, Rob breaks down what didn't work about the film while giving props to the aspects that did.
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Ghostbusters (later marketed as Ghostbusters: Answer the Call) is a 2016 supernatural comedy film directed by Paul Feig and written by Feig and Katie Dippold. It stars Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, and Chris Hemsworth. It is a reboot of the 1984 film of the same name and the third film, overall, in the Ghostbusters franchise.
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  • @ChannelAwesome
    @ChannelAwesome3 жыл бұрын

    After a few years have passed what does everyone think of Ghostbusters 2016? Watch more FanScription here - bit.ly/FanScription Download the episode here - channelawesome.libsyn.com/ Follow us on Twitch - www.twitch.tv/channelawesome

  • @DarwinskiYT

    @DarwinskiYT

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ay yo pipipupu check

  • @SunGodNika-bi2jr

    @SunGodNika-bi2jr

    3 жыл бұрын

    2nd Place 🥈

  • @FreeSpiritPaulette

    @FreeSpiritPaulette

    3 жыл бұрын

    E

  • @lonebattledroid4474

    @lonebattledroid4474

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's not good but who cares anymore?

  • @MDWolfe-ks5fu

    @MDWolfe-ks5fu

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve seen the extended edition of Ghostbusters answer the call. But I didn’t enjoy it as much, the characters are just bland, the comedy is not well defined, and the story is not impressive to me.

  • @youngThrashbarg
    @youngThrashbarg3 жыл бұрын

    Original Ghostbusters had a strong female character as the secretary. -So lets make our secretary a hunky dumb guy. That'll show em.

  • @pentelegomenon1175

    @pentelegomenon1175

    3 жыл бұрын

    Louis was kind of a gender flipped Janine.

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@pentelegomenon1175 except Janine actually did her job and Louis was completely incompetent and stupid

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    Honestly the fact that the female Ghostbusters kept ogling him and still paying him money despite the fact he wasn't doing anything for them(even his job)says alot about how ass backwards writing was lol

  • @pentelegomenon1175

    @pentelegomenon1175

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carybeweary7209 He was a pretty good accountant, which is what his job was.

  • @Dagenspear

    @Dagenspear

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@pentelegomenon1175 I think Janine wasn't depicted as stupid.

  • @nicktrains2234
    @nicktrains22343 жыл бұрын

    Every character wanted to be the joker. Like honest trailers said, someone needs to be the egon

  • @Eth3realwarrior

    @Eth3realwarrior

    3 жыл бұрын

    And Egon had his funny moments.

  • @AusSP

    @AusSP

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Eth3realwarrior Right, but they were different funny moments. He was the straight man, and some jokes only work if it's the straight man.

  • @Eth3realwarrior

    @Eth3realwarrior

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AusSP 100%

  • @animechic420

    @animechic420

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AusSP Winston was the straight man. Egon the brain. Ray the heart. Peter the mouth.

  • @JStryker47

    @JStryker47

    3 жыл бұрын

    I kinda thought Jillian was the Egon. Wasn't she the one who built the equipment and stuff?

  • @ResandOuies
    @ResandOuies3 жыл бұрын

    The problem isn't that it's all female main cast. It's that they used it as a sledge hammer. "it's all female, so because of that it's automatically great and if you don't like it you're a basement dwelling misogynic. So why bother with a script, editing or any of that crap"

  • @kevinfox500

    @kevinfox500

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. I've been saying this since I first saw it. Had no issues with the casting, or even the concept. The execution, well, it wasn't as bad as I worried it would be, but it wasn't really great either. Yes, I own a copy, and have rewatched it. Frankly, the writing sucked. But, look at what it was up against. The OG film. It's like every Terminator sequel after T2. Hood on their own, mostly, but compared to T2, they never measure up.

  • @josebrown5961

    @josebrown5961

    9 ай бұрын

    They tried to remake the original and totally missed the nuance of the original. They just tried to make jokes. The original had Venkman making jokes and Egon being his weird self and Dan Aykroyd being serious. In the women’s movie they all got to take turns. I thought having Kate McKinnon as the Egon could be great but she had to be weird but super cool, it just didn’t work. And I was in the theater on the first weekend so I do get to have an opinion.

  • @FabledHeroes3351
    @FabledHeroes33513 жыл бұрын

    Short Answer: we didn’t want a remake we wanted a sequel 🤷‍♂️

  • @FabledHeroes3351

    @FabledHeroes3351

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Connor Reynolds Damn straight

  • @nifralo2752

    @nifralo2752

    3 жыл бұрын

    Harold Remis is dead it wont happen.

  • @Adam_Outdoors

    @Adam_Outdoors

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nifralo2752 Where the hell have you been for past 3 years? We're getting a direct sequel to GB2 in November of this year!!!

  • @psychogoreman198

    @psychogoreman198

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nifralo2752 think you might wanna do some research there dude.

  • @nifralo2752

    @nifralo2752

    3 жыл бұрын

    I did and its meant to star to kids. So it will be Jake Lloyd busters

  • @damirervin4118
    @damirervin41183 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: Chris Hemsworth actually wanted to quit the movie because he taught the script was shitty.

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank heavens Extraction. That movie was friggin badass.

  • @Roadent1241

    @Roadent1241

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well he wasn't wrong.

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    He taught THIS script was shitty? He's used to Marvel for Gods sake, which have the shittiest scripts I've ever seen

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@winnietheboogaloo4584 This movie got some chuckles out of me. I for one enjoyed it. Marvel movies have the shittiest "humor" I have witnessed sadly

  • @RoninDave

    @RoninDave

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leob4403 well, that's your opinion

  • @Apollo_Vanron
    @Apollo_Vanron3 жыл бұрын

    If diversity is in question. The Extreme Ghostbusters did it the best imo.

  • @sleepykitty8918

    @sleepykitty8918

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was a pretty decent series, all things considered.

  • @Apollo_Vanron

    @Apollo_Vanron

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sleepykitty8918 agreed.

  • @Apollo_Vanron

    @Apollo_Vanron

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@winnietheboogaloo4584 I did not know of this.

  • @pentelegomenon1175

    @pentelegomenon1175

    3 жыл бұрын

    ​@@KairuHakubi That's the weird thing though, Ghostbusters is not an action-hero job (most of them are out of shape even) but they kept having that guy flip his wheelchair over things instead of just giving him something else to do, like helping Egon more. Peter didn't know how to fix the equipment but he still helped out a lot, and Batman helps out the Justice League a lot even though he can't fly, this shouldn't be a problem.

  • @pentelegomenon1175

    @pentelegomenon1175

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KairuHakubi Not even Oracle necessarily, but if I was writing a Ghostbusters script where one of them was in a wheelchair and I reached a point in the story where they had to enter a building with no ramp, then that one just wouldn't go in and the story would continue, like how Peter split off from the group in the second movie. If it was a Ninja Turtle in a wheelchair though, then I really would be stuck and probably be forced to give that one the Oracle role.

  • @MrSocialdeviance
    @MrSocialdeviance3 жыл бұрын

    Poor AVGN didn't deserve the hate he got for his opinions.

  • @JonathanPer_JackHammerSalm

    @JonathanPer_JackHammerSalm

    3 жыл бұрын

    he had sense because he knew it was going to be bad. Had a bet with my eldest daughter about this film and compared to the original

  • @Sharkie626

    @Sharkie626

    3 жыл бұрын

    James either flat out didn't care or he never knew it was happening. I say kudos to him for not worrying about such trivial stuff.

  • @JonathanPer_JackHammerSalm

    @JonathanPer_JackHammerSalm

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Sharkie626 he knew it was coming out and even said ie was not covering it because he didn’t want to sully the original with this one

  • @557deadpool

    @557deadpool

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@southernfriedmedia3968 Patton Oswalt has never been shit anyway so like...

  • @RatusMax

    @RatusMax

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rofl, he didn't even WATCH IT !!! SO HE HAD NO OPINION!!!!

  • @thewin9459
    @thewin94593 жыл бұрын

    The reason I didn't care for this movie was simply this: Ghostbusters wasn't a story that needed to be retold.

  • @what0080
    @what00803 жыл бұрын

    It's not just dull, it's completely forgettable. No joke, I saw this movie twice and I can't remember anything that happened in it. All I remember is that I left the theater (critic preview screening) calling it a "big sack of nothing."

  • @ryantheanimator1156

    @ryantheanimator1156

    3 жыл бұрын

    Aren't Forgettable and dull basically synonymous with each other?

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    I actually do remember something cuz it was the main reason I really hate this movie besides the fact I was kind of forced to watch it by my 'friend' there's a scene where Melissa McCarthy is shooting the proton gun and the stream is supposed to be pointing at you the audience Because the movie was made for 3D obviously And they made the entire seen have really small black bars to where the only thing you could really see was Melissa McCarthy and the Stream And I really hated how stupid it looked and how incredibly pandering it was that it was just a movie made for 3D

  • @what0080

    @what0080

    3 жыл бұрын

    The only GOOD thing about this movie (that I can recall) is that it brought back Ecto Cooler...

  • @Virjunior01

    @Virjunior01

    3 жыл бұрын

    So... a big sack.

  • @squirleyspitmonkey3926

    @squirleyspitmonkey3926

    3 жыл бұрын

    All I remember was she said slime "got in every crack." Haha geddit cause WHAMENS AND VAGINA. Laugh now, sexist. If you don't, you hate women.

  • @affordingstyle
    @affordingstyle3 жыл бұрын

    Women deserve their own stories; not reboots.

  • @mv9370

    @mv9370

    3 жыл бұрын

    Alien 😍

  • @meghanwebber4977

    @meghanwebber4977

    3 жыл бұрын

    🙌🏽

  • @8bitdiedie

    @8bitdiedie

    3 жыл бұрын

    Someone gets it! It’s pretty contradictory to say a group of women following in the footsteps of a group of men and copying what they did (but worse) is “independence”.

  • @questkai4548

    @questkai4548

    3 жыл бұрын

    Straight Facts

  • @darywalker368

    @darywalker368

    3 жыл бұрын

    @ no ❤

  • @Torvar
    @Torvar3 жыл бұрын

    No one had a problem with the ghostbusters being women. They had a problem with why the ghostbusters were women. Paul Fieg just wanted a women movie, instead of just trying to make a good or coherent movie.

  • @skaetur1

    @skaetur1

    2 жыл бұрын

    He won’t be allowed bac on the Sony lot anytime soon. -Dan Akroyd

  • @Some0neSomewhere

    @Some0neSomewhere

    2 жыл бұрын

    Which is exactly why Bridesmaids was so good. The humor was the star of the movie, not whether it was female driven.

  • @midwestmonster9886
    @midwestmonster98863 жыл бұрын

    All that it needed was to be a sequel. Had it been about Egon's daughter leading a new team, it would've made money. Making it a sequel would've allowed a smooth transition from one generation of Ghostbusters to the next. As a remake, they isolated returning fans in the hopes of attracting an entirely new fanbase. And we saw the results of that one.

  • @geoffreybassett6741

    @geoffreybassett6741

    3 жыл бұрын

    @ValorJ Omega Considering it was supposed to have already come out...

  • @sarmeister1699

    @sarmeister1699

    3 жыл бұрын

    So basically what's happening now... only with Egon's granddaughter

  • @midwestmonster9886

    @midwestmonster9886

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@sarmeister1699 I gotta give them credit for correcting their mistakes.

  • @ReigoVassal

    @ReigoVassal

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I love when old generation works together with the new generation. And that's not a sarcasm.

  • @puddah8208

    @puddah8208

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's what the new film is going to be about.

  • @madaemon
    @madaemon3 жыл бұрын

    Rob does touch on it, but the fundamental problem that dooms the movie from the get-go is that ALL of them are the slapstick comic relief. Look at the scene where McKinnon and McCarthy--I don't even know the characters' names--arrive at the firehouse for the first time. In the original, it's character-building: Venkman's haggling with the realtor by downplaying their interest in the place and is interrupted by Stanz: "Does this pole still work? (Slides down.) This place is great! When can we move in?!" It's just a little scene to establish how they end up in the firehouse, but it's still utilized to flesh out the characters and their relationships. In the 2016 movie they go to the firehouse and it's already a done deal. McKinnon is basically the Egon, yet she just dances around, making stupid motions showing she's stoked about it. No writing; just "look, we're in the firehouse; we're all so funny in the firehouse."

  • @leegaul2161

    @leegaul2161

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's essentially a very long, big budget SNL skit.

  • @mattjones5531

    @mattjones5531

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was my thoughts towards watching it, it felt like everyone was trying to be the "Venkman" of the group whereas in the original each one had there own unique personality, Egon was the odd straight man, Ray was childlike believer, Venkman was the sarcastic funny one and Winston was the skeptical outsider and yet In the this version i couldn't even tell you the characters names cause there weren't that memorable they where all trying to be the funniest in the room and it just didn't work out well.

  • @FargonNemeloc

    @FargonNemeloc

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leegaul2161 with the quantity of celebrities sprinkled all over, you commentary falls int the "facts" section, between cannon and intended

  • @wavemaster4891

    @wavemaster4891

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hellsing Ultimate Abridged has one of the best lines addressing these types of characters: Rip Van Winkle: "I am Rip Van Winkle and I Demand you're respect" Alucard: "No, you demand my attention." These characters do whatever they can to be random and shocking in the hopes to get your attention as if they are a child needing mommy and daddy's affection. They are simply Eyesores to me and just turn me off of their character immediately, and then I am there counting down my timer till I can abandon them. So when you're movie is nothing but three of these arch-types, it is bound to fail. Also if you want to see my reference using Hellsing Ultimate Abridged, just search her name and watch her cut-scenes if you don't plan to watch the anime. But I am not posting it because that anime is definitely for a mature audience.

  • @sboinkthelegday3892

    @sboinkthelegday3892

    3 жыл бұрын

    ...which is because they are not hired to fill meaningful roles, they are just ALL hired for being women. The marketing tried to bury this point as angry trolls and Rob keeps burying it further, and then says the same things that were the problem. All the same shit was said about Pixels, but the media didn't hype up the criticism as video game fans victimizing adam sandler. These are shitty paycheck movies and in a lot of ways to ask money for them is much worse than just making a movie that happens to be bad.

  • @GamerFromJump
    @GamerFromJump3 жыл бұрын

    The biggest problem with the all-women team is that _they tried to replace the originals._ They were literally trying to supplant the very existence of the original team. The easiest way to repair this: sack the asshat that thought that was a good idea. Make them a franchise of the original group. Venkman would definitely have been about creating Ghostbusters franchises across America. Also, the screwed up the proton pack noise. One of the most iconic sound effects in the _history_ of film, and they _screwed it up._ *Yes* I’m still sore about this!

  • @kingkaza

    @kingkaza

    7 ай бұрын

    Problem with these films is instead of thinking in the 3rd dimension Instead is just one note They want a women's movie but never really asked what do women want in a females Ghostbusters Is like when someone trys to do a race based film and all they can say is "white people are racist....so lets make black people mary sues and always perfect" like they want to make a safe space where ken is a dumb male and these 4 women are perfect little victims yet did female audiences actually want and not say the emo teen from extreme Ghostbusters or hell the females from the comics fans enjoy They want to target a audience but too scared they will "offend" that audience I watched a adaption of a audiodrama that was damn amazing but when i watched the live action show...i question wtf was going on and why the character went from a scared journalist who you could relate in same situations as she gose deeper to the unknown knowing she the only way out is down I did research and found out they asked 10 women what do they want with a female character Apparently they agreed on unlikeable women cause likeable women is over done So instead say..a bad ass or hell she wants to go deeper....nope apparently they took it litteral and made her a full on asshole in every sense that makes you question why should we even care if she even risking herself especially when the big mystery is not important anymore They made it so safe space that if she even tried to show any sad emotions they changed it to still make her a full on jerk Even ruining the best scene that actually made me straight up cry cause that's not unlikeable women are like

  • @shaheenahmad90
    @shaheenahmad903 жыл бұрын

    As my old man says, "If it's not broke, DON'T FIX IT" and "never mess with a good thing" and yet I chose to watch the mulan reboot on Disney+ hated it and yes I'm a semi hypocrite

  • @NickJohnCoop
    @NickJohnCoop3 жыл бұрын

    I’d call it an attempt at trying to ‘send a message’ while utterly forgetting that you have to tell a story when you make a film

  • @kingkaza

    @kingkaza

    7 ай бұрын

    I've seen that problem with some writers They want a deep message forgetting is still a film not a documentary

  • @novacorponline
    @novacorponline3 жыл бұрын

    "It was the only original thing in this whole mess" That is... simultaneously giving it too much credit and an extremely harsh condemnation of the movie, as the "Make an all female cast" twist had been done multiple times before that point, thus making even that part end up not being original. Even at the time, it was a played out cliche and most people recognized it as such. The "oh you can't have a woman ghost buster" thing was entirely fabricated by the studio to shoot down the people savvy to how obviously lazy and cynical the studio was being with the remake.

  • @themilo1567

    @themilo1567

    3 жыл бұрын

    To be fair, he did say "Vaguely" original. It was at least somewhat new ground by the standards of the Ghostbuster franchise. Even considering stuff like Extreme already featuring female ghostbusters.

  • @MithrilRoshi

    @MithrilRoshi

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, remember the cartoon? That had an awesome female ghost buster. This had nothing to do with them being female, it was just a token thing and everyone knew it. Heck its more insulting they had a blond bimbo as a guy this time.

  • @BlastMagicianYGO

    @BlastMagicianYGO

    3 жыл бұрын

    " __ but with girls" is exactly why I didn't give this movie the time of day, it's pandering masquerading as empowerment. McCarthy didn't help its case, since I flat out find her annoying rather than funny, but I was rolling my eyes from the concept, so her not being in it wouldn't have saved it. Someone telling me wholeheartedly that the movie was great might have though, it's yet to happen with movies of this kind, so we'll likely never know.

  • @Dargonhuman

    @Dargonhuman

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was painfully obvious when people noticed that legit criticisms for that awful first trailer started getting deleted but the mods left the sexist and misogynistic comments up unfiltered. A lot of people all the way back then were predicting that Sony was setting up the "victim of misogyny" narrative. Sony, Fieg and the cast proved them 100% correct by riding that narrative all the way to the scene of the crash.

  • @franohmsford7548

    @franohmsford7548

    3 жыл бұрын

    All they had to do was to have it be a SEQUEL with a new all female cast that paid homage to the original ghostbusters that went before them. But NO! That wouldn't have been good enough for the Misandrists in charge of making this film! Instead they had to make it a REBOOT that outright denigrated EVERY Male Character {other than Winston and whoever Dan Aykroyd was playing in that cameo}! They couldn't have these women be following in the footsteps of those 4 men - NO! They had to be the originators of the Ghostbusters concept in this movie!

  • @adriannaranjo4397
    @adriannaranjo43973 жыл бұрын

    1. Pissing off fans of the original series and saying they're sexist for not liking the new cast/film 2. Relying on fart and vagina jokes as the pillar of it's comedy 3. Having effects that somehow look more dated than the original 1984 film

  • @madamefluffy4788

    @madamefluffy4788

    3 жыл бұрын

    4) empowering the women by dumbing down the men (seriously, not a single male in this movie wasn't either an asshole, an idiot or a combination of both).

  • @Lopez03Eduardo.

    @Lopez03Eduardo.

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not to mention Original cast wasted in lame cameos The editing of the film was a mess And Villain was completely forgettable can't remember his motivation or whats his name

  • @kats938

    @kats938

    3 жыл бұрын

    Plus Reboots/remakes in general typically suck.

  • @Razgriz85

    @Razgriz85

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also, there wasn't much of a script written, so there is a ton of cringey improv.

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku3 жыл бұрын

    My summery of the movie was "Have you ever seen a comedy that tried so hard to be funny that the quick flood of failed jokes just depressed the sh!t out of you?"

  • @rumrunner8019
    @rumrunner80193 жыл бұрын

    I think the biggest issue with this movie is that the director was directing the wrong reboot. Paul Feig should have directed a reboot of "Weird Science" with a gender swap. Could you imagine a teenage version of Holtzmann and Yates using an action figure to create Chris Hemsworth? I can so imagine him coming down the stairs in blue mist (it was pink in the original) and saying " *So, what do you little maniacs want to do first?* "

  • @3dmaster205

    @3dmaster205

    3 жыл бұрын

    But Paul Feig wouldn't do that, he would have Chris Hemsworth tumble into the room, showing off his utter stupidity and clumsiness, and then have the girls teach Chris Hemsworth everything about dating, and the reason they created him, wasn't because they couldn't get a man, but because they hate all men, and wanted to create the perfect man, that is a good obedient puppy dog, that would have no spine of his own, or an original thought, and the whole movie will be them and magic Chris teach all men their place: on their knees begging for forgiveness for being born with a penis.

  • @MegaMagicdog

    @MegaMagicdog

    3 жыл бұрын

    @rum runner - I would have LOVED to see that!

  • @garygarside9782

    @garygarside9782

    3 жыл бұрын

    who is paul feig? lol

  • @eljay5009

    @eljay5009

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeh - then the cops turn up, arrest him for grooming a minor and stick him on a sex offenders register for life. You simply could not make a movie like Weird Science today - especially not a gender flipped version.

  • @affordingstyle
    @affordingstyle3 жыл бұрын

    They did the same thing with this that they did with Captain Marvel and Rey. They wrote a bland uninteresting female character and said "If you don't like this, you're sexist!" Oh, no, I just like female characters I can relate to.

  • @EssexAggiegrad2011

    @EssexAggiegrad2011

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup

  • @ZoanBlade90

    @ZoanBlade90

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's it! The problem isn't that it's a woman, it's that *other* characters are more interesting. There is a seed there, an idea of what could be...and they didn't take it. That is my problem with both of them. Good potential, but little is done with it.

  • @thebaconator1883

    @thebaconator1883

    3 жыл бұрын

    I always find it funny when people claim that if you don’t like Rey you are sexist because all of those people most likely love Ashoka

  • @MadTurnip

    @MadTurnip

    3 жыл бұрын

    There are lots of female characters that I love, and they all are far from being perfect. This gives them the edge, the realism, you can associate with them more easily. You don't like them because they are girls, but because they are good characters.

  • @ShadowSonic2

    @ShadowSonic2

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thebaconator1883 They like Ahsoka because she's just a sidekick who needed years to become tolerable, not a proper leading lady.

  • @tylerturner7929
    @tylerturner79293 жыл бұрын

    0:35 Robb missed the perfect opportunity for a Count Dooku quote "brave but foolish"

  • @louisduarte8763

    @louisduarte8763

    3 жыл бұрын

    And not one use of "ZUUL, MOTHAHFUCKAH, ZUUUUUULLLLLLL!!!"

  • @jonbourgoin182
    @jonbourgoin1823 жыл бұрын

    I thought this was Doug narrating the whole time. Geezus I never realized how his and Rob’s voice are nearly identical.

  • @mattjones5531

    @mattjones5531

    3 жыл бұрын

    i had to look in the description to clarify cause i was watching it thinking "wow Dougs voice sounds off in this"

  • @DarkDodgers

    @DarkDodgers

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can tell the difference by their attitude. Rob can often come off as...condescending moreso than his brother. (Honestly, this was kinda hard to watch as he slowly got through SOME of the reasons why this was a bad movie. Which, he's right about like all the things he says, but goodness, the way he goes about saying them. He clearly didn't see the arguments made about it as he states "People just didnt want women in this movie." Sure, there were some but GOODNESS are we gonna PRETEND that was the reason!? Like there was ENOUGH of those guys!?)

  • @querydelacroix2919

    @querydelacroix2919

    3 жыл бұрын

    Uh... must just be you. This was *clearly* Rob to me. Rob has a baritone, whereas Doug has more of a nasally tenor. This voice, sounds nothing like the voice in, say, the Dark Toons series. Out of curiousity, who do you think is doing the Twili-tober Zone series?

  • @KenikoB

    @KenikoB

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@querydelacroix2919 clearly not just them, bc several people agreed before you commented.

  • @querydelacroix2919

    @querydelacroix2919

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@KenikoB And this changes the overall point of my comment... how? Oh, it doesn't? K.

  • @vincent207
    @vincent2073 жыл бұрын

    I imagine that without all the internet drama, this would’ve been seen as just another pointless remake/reboot to disappear down the memory hole like most others.

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    The fact that youtube edgelords react so strongly about it is intetesting I think. This movie is memorable no doubt, if it was pure shit like they claim they would just forget about it and not keep bringing it up.

  • @Xarazel

    @Xarazel

    3 жыл бұрын

    exactly. but the studio kept playing up the non-troversy of "angry man childs" that ended up just being people that thought the movie was bland

  • @MrChickennugget360

    @MrChickennugget360

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leob4403 the movie is not memorable on its own. its primary reason for being remembered was the "controversy" that surrounded it.

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MrChickennugget360 I think it has a lot of memorable scenes actually

  • @MrChickennugget360

    @MrChickennugget360

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leob4403 well i think you are in the minority on that one.

  • @otbaht
    @otbaht3 жыл бұрын

    honestly to me the trailer is where i thought it wouldn't be great. They said 30 years ago four scientists.... it wasn't four scientists it was three and a normal guy. I'm not the biggest fan but even I knew that and if they got that wrong when I would have gotten it right they were already on the thinnest ice. Add in the fact that the cast and stars insulted the fanbase and deleted their comments, mine including pointing out the first part, on their youtube trailer. Rather than trying to assure people they insulted people. I'm no genius, but mocking people isn't a way to get them to indulge in your product. I haven't and dont plan to watch this and honestly I figured it would be very meh. 4 out of 10. Not good enough to like, but not bad enough to become like fun to mock and tease. as for how i would fix/do this lets see. Start at a funeral for the ghost buster who can't be in the film for obvious reasons and mix in flash backs of them doing their job and him dying as a result. They realize they are to old and the three who are left, plus the secretary because hey she is going to be smart enough and such to know what works, all start to hunt down people to recruit world wide and they each pick one. You can do all girls or mix and match whatever. Part of me wants someone from china who could have gotten into it because of how its all banned there or something, but that's debatable. They do some training and talking and education semi montage and the old ones do things like watch them through cameras as they start doing their first real job and boom they catch their first ghost and put it in containment. Then they start to get a bit cocky and catch one without their teachers overseeing because "hey we know enough I bet we can do it" and they do, but they make a mistake and put it in the wrong containment thing not knowing thats one just for one ghost who gets stronger from feeding on ghosts and eating the ghost they put in there is enough for him to start. there could be talk of the older ghost busters how the containment thing is going wrong and the new ones debate on if they should tell or try to fix it themselves to not lose respect/trust from their teachers. Before they can do either it breaks open and the big bad comes out and shatters the other containment fields freeing hundreds or thousands of ghosts that it will chase down. they finally admit what they did and the old and new work together in teams. some work on improving tech from two different generations of ideas and the others hunt down as much cannon fodder as they can to try to prevent the big bad from eating them. Eventually new tech is made and they do it and take out the big bad, maybe one of the new ones die as well and then it ends with the new ghost busters at the funeral for the one who died because of their mistakes driving home this is real life not just some fun game or silly youtube video. But that's just my idea.

  • @otbaht

    @otbaht

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@winnietheboogaloo4584 Well not surprised i'm not 100 percent accurate. I was born basically when the movie came out so not my childhood, but i was closer than the people who did it. That said what did you think of my "sales pitch" idea. I am a writer so I'm curious about things like that.

  • @Linmyra

    @Linmyra

    3 жыл бұрын

    To sum up, the fans were really hoping for a passing the torch sort of movie, not what we got for this 2016 film, a terrible remake just to insult the already established fans because they think they're better than the source material.

  • @Hanmacx

    @Hanmacx

    3 жыл бұрын

    My problem is that it wants to be a sequel and a reboot at the same time

  • @sarafontanini7051

    @sarafontanini7051

    3 жыл бұрын

    hell I'd say only two of them were really scientists, Venkman was a conman who was using science for money and to flirt with women

  • @whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927

    @whatsawhizzerwebnovels4927

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to do the "Umm... Actually..." But Winston was a scientist. He was actually smarter than the rest of the group and I think even ended up with two doctorates. This was pointed out in the third "movie" (the videogame). Whether you want to call it retconning or not is up to you, but he was originally written to be in the team from the beginning and be a military guy, but when they didn't get the actor they wanted, they changed his character to fit the actor. I saw it that because of his race and the economy, he couldn't get a job (or perhaps was still finishing is doctoral thesis), and the guys ultimately put an ad out to hire someone at their education level by nature.

  • @obsidiansands
    @obsidiansands3 жыл бұрын

    You missed out on the fact that almost EVERY other male cast member were roles that made the men stupid. It gave the impression that the film also had misandrist leanings. They also turned the film into a "political feminist movement" that backfired, badly. They should have adapted Extreme Ghostbusters into a live action film. Every single diversity checklist was ticked off perfectly in Extreme Ghostbusters. It even had a DISABLED Ghostbuster member and he still kicked more ass than Ghosbusters 2016 ever could! Face it, Ghostbusters 2016 was a failed cash-grab marketing ploy.

  • @thEannoyingE
    @thEannoyingE3 жыл бұрын

    Fieg made this to piss off the fans of the original, it’s been said in several interviews, he pushed for that musical number at the end, but the producers didn’t want it.

  • @astridsactionrc545
    @astridsactionrc5453 жыл бұрын

    The original Ghostbusters film came out when I was 3. My grandparents took me and my 5 year old brother to see it in the theatre.

  • @SetoShadowVT
    @SetoShadowVT3 жыл бұрын

    ....the ironic thing is Leslie Jones herself became a keyboard warrior attacking the fans left and right in 2016....and got worse when a sequel to the original continuity was announced...... Sooooo

  • @avanishdutta2658

    @avanishdutta2658

    2 жыл бұрын

    I didn't like Ghostbusters Afterlife. It should have been a coming of age story. Let's hope reitman does it for ghostbusters 4.

  • @itrasheditgood
    @itrasheditgood2 жыл бұрын

    What made the original ghostbusters work is that it was fresh and different, not following trends, it made its own. The characters were so original, they became their own stereo types. As a new viewer, you were immersed because you had no idea where the story was taking you, so you follow and each step, everything became weirder and maybe scarier. You became invested because you were finding out just how high the stakes were. You cared about the people because they all gave you something different, there were disagreements but you liked them well enough to keep rooting for them and the pay out was the final boss battle, it was so grand.

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un3 жыл бұрын

    At least it's not The Interview

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    You're just mad because you died in that one,bro!

  • @justinriley4063

    @justinriley4063

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carybeweary7209 Thank you that was the joke. I'm glad you got it.

  • @SaperBossTv

    @SaperBossTv

    3 жыл бұрын

    You know the movies is really bad when kim jon un himself talks about it

  • @phiferbb10tmjagP
    @phiferbb10tmjagP3 жыл бұрын

    My idea for a modern ghostbusters: Modern Creepypastas Forget the glowing ghosts, make them go after today's idea of ghosts - Momo, Slenderman, Possessed videogame cartridges, haunted school bathrooms and their bloody marys, Anabelle and company. And making it a comedy would've made so much fun to watch.

  • @seasonedgore7231

    @seasonedgore7231

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hell ya

  • @tokuwriter2872

    @tokuwriter2872

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just keep any of the killers out of it. They’ll make the project a complete cringy shitshow

  • @moonlitebrite9317

    @moonlitebrite9317

    3 жыл бұрын

    @phiferbb I really liked that idea, except I would try to combine modern "creepypastas" horror with Lovecraftian aesthetics of the 1984 original. I would love to see a Ghostbusters film that has comedy at the center while still taking the horror elements seriously. It could even be darker, scarier, and creepier than both 1984 original and 2016 reboot.

  • @phiferbb10tmjagP

    @phiferbb10tmjagP

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tokuwriter2872 Yeah, you're right on that one.

  • @phiferbb10tmjagP

    @phiferbb10tmjagP

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@moonlitebrite9317 Yes, keep the lovecraftian aspect. That would be for the better. Horror comedy would be the best route for this ideia

  • @herrerasaurstudios7028
    @herrerasaurstudios70283 жыл бұрын

    Ghostbusters 2 > Ghostbusters 2016

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ha! I love Ghostbusters 2 and literally just watched it yesterday again!

  • @mattjones5531

    @mattjones5531

    3 жыл бұрын

    The 1986 Ghostbusters cartoon that wasn't based on the actual Ghostbusters movie was better than this.

  • @kentonbaird1723

    @kentonbaird1723

    3 жыл бұрын

    Objectively.

  • @Barrettfloyd82

    @Barrettfloyd82

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hell even The Room was a better movie because it at least was funny in how bad it was.

  • @CircleFly

    @CircleFly

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mattjones5531 I found that cartoon actually alright.

  • @CharaDreemurr15243
    @CharaDreemurr152433 жыл бұрын

    "Maybe he's, like, the inverse of the Ghostbusters, a male tech wiz who runs a giant telecommunications conglomerate. Only, you know, he's evil. Like every one of those a-holes" So true. Also I saw that sneaky swing at Zuckerburg, lmao.

  • @Xarazel

    @Xarazel

    3 жыл бұрын

    i wouldve put the tool that runs Twitter, but thats me

  • @coletrainhetrick

    @coletrainhetrick

    3 жыл бұрын

    What has zuckerberg done thets evil? Does anyone have an actual answer or are people just going to continue incorrectly assuming that hes evil for absolutely no reason

  • @coletrainhetrick

    @coletrainhetrick

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@CharaDreemurr15243 genuinely not evil, people are just whining over something so petty at that point

  • @CharaDreemurr15243

    @CharaDreemurr15243

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@coletrainhetrick ._. Look at what you are debating about right now. Dude, it is a goddamn joke in a video that is primarily opinion-based. Who cares?

  • @coletrainhetrick

    @coletrainhetrick

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@CharaDreemurr15243 except I am perfectly fine with what he did, I'm not okay with YOU who turned it from a joke to something you actually agree with

  • @helwrecht1637
    @helwrecht16373 жыл бұрын

    Opening “don’t hate me for my opinion, but if you have this opinion you’re stupid”

  • @evandemers3753
    @evandemers37533 жыл бұрын

    Funny you mentioned the fact that the protagonists in this movie were basically written as perfect characters. Nostalgia Critic mentioned the exact same issue in his review of Disney's Mulan remake: the main protagonist is just flawless from the start. It seems that Hollywood's vision of "girl power" is just to write flawless female protagonists, which actually sends a really screwed up message to women and girls, in my view.

  • @geoffs23
    @geoffs233 жыл бұрын

    Wait, how can you have an issue with the Master of Disguise? That movie showed us Black Market EBAY

  • @LikaLaruku

    @LikaLaruku

    3 жыл бұрын

    I guess he just wasn't turtley enough for the turtle club.

  • @PhilKnowltonBand

    @PhilKnowltonBand

    3 жыл бұрын

    Honestly for what it is supposed to be Master of Disguise is a really fun movie! I might he bias tho as it's both one of my wife's guilty pleasures and was one of the last movies my sister recommended to me before she passed. Both of them admit(ted) it's stupid fun, but it does stupid funny very well!

  • @keithwilliams1795

    @keithwilliams1795

    3 жыл бұрын

    I consider it blasphemy that he thinks Master of Disguise is a worse movie than this dumpster fire.

  • @joelgordon7814
    @joelgordon78143 жыл бұрын

    The reason it didn’t work: it attacked its audience

  • @chasehedges6775

    @chasehedges6775

    3 жыл бұрын

    Or it was too wrapped in nostalgia.

  • @rhaeasoul8531

    @rhaeasoul8531

    3 жыл бұрын

    it might've succeeded money wise if they hadn't attacked the fans that might've gone to see it otherwise. Sure we wouldve still hated it but we would've at least seen it.

  • @guillermoelnino

    @guillermoelnino

    3 жыл бұрын

    the marketing strategy was mostly attack the fans.

  • @alexk7880

    @alexk7880

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chasehedges6775 nostalgia always wins and always works becuase that's how it sells but then them genderbending this shows the hypocrisy lol

  • @firenze6478

    @firenze6478

    3 жыл бұрын

    It set a trend

  • @artbargra
    @artbargra3 жыл бұрын

    Oh no, Rob. You're missing the point here. The characterization in this here movie is simply perfect. It's spotless, top-notch, numero uno. For you see, in Hollywoodland, "female" is a personality.

  • @lucashammar8180
    @lucashammar81803 жыл бұрын

    If it was made like 20 years ago with a better script and with a better cast like Sigourney Weaver, Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Geena Davis, then it probably would've been decent enough.

  • @TurbidTG1
    @TurbidTG13 жыл бұрын

    Ghostbusters The Video Game from 2009 is really Ghostbusters 3.

  • @ZoanBlade90

    @ZoanBlade90

    3 жыл бұрын

    And the IDW Ghostbusters comics are Ghostbusters 4. I'm good, man. I *got* three movies worth of content.

  • @Dragonking1984

    @Dragonking1984

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree it's the closest we're going to get to a real Ghostbusters 3. Even the movie being worked on (at least has of before covid) has no way of being a sequel. We have to accept that all the opportunities to make a 3rd movie came & went (thanks Bill Murry) Besides the one thing this movie did with those cameo's is show us we DON'T want to see the OG cast reprise their roles. Too much time has past the only thing that can be done is a proper reboot. Ghostbusters 2016? This ain't it chief.

  • @Gamesta100

    @Gamesta100

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@winnietheboogaloo4584 All the original Ghostbusters actors voiced their characters in the game.

  • @psychodrummer1567

    @psychodrummer1567

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ZoanBlade90 Up until they started doing crossovers. Those things were weird.

  • @christianfarren1179
    @christianfarren11793 жыл бұрын

    Long story short, they didn’t care. They thought they could rush a film out the door, slap the Ghostbusters logo on it, and it would sell. And it didn’t. It’s a perfect storm of crap.

  • @adriannaranjo4397

    @adriannaranjo4397

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don't forget slapping the "woke wahmen power" agenda on top of slapping the ghostbusters logo on top of this dumpster

  • @brewmaster2912

    @brewmaster2912

    3 жыл бұрын

    I honestly liked it probably because it’s the only Ghostbusters movie I have ever seen

  • @christianfarren1179

    @christianfarren1179

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brewmaster2912 Glad you got something out of it, no sarcasm.

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brewmaster2912 I liked it too, I might even pick it over the original Ghostbusters which is a bit overrated. It's certainly much better than Ghostbusters 2

  • @ocarinaplaya

    @ocarinaplaya

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@adriannaranjo4397 and calling you racist and sexist if you showed anything less than enthusiasm for the movie and its casting choices.

  • @KTF0
    @KTF03 жыл бұрын

    They forever screwed up Ghostbusters 2016 by putting the worst trailer ever. That fueled the imagination fire even bigger. The film wasnt as nearly as bad as the trailer.

  • @Jarock316

    @Jarock316

    2 жыл бұрын

    Correct, the film was actually alot worse.

  • @BuckarooBanzai84
    @BuckarooBanzai843 жыл бұрын

    I just want to point out; yes, the OG film was edgier, but what really stands out after all these years is that it had very sophisticated, subtle writing & acting. As a film analyst, you can appreciate the chemistry between the characters, and the subtlety of the (improved!) dialogue. It was like the Marx Bros meets 'The Haunting'. (the original)

  • @Shenruss
    @Shenruss3 жыл бұрын

    Look, plain & simple, this film tried to "Girl Power" up what essentially a male buddy comedy. This was *not* the actresses' fault. But it did *not* help this film.

  • @Shenruss

    @Shenruss

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Allan Tidgwell Hey dude. Bro, you get two or more people involved in an adventure, and yes, it is a Buddy comedy. At the very least, it has Buddy Comedy _elements._ It was even alluded to in the video, with the "Head, Heart and Mouth" dynamic and them doing something together; the friendly banter, odd ball antics and _interaction_ is what generates a lot of the laughs. What's worse is that, again....not the actresses fault..... they just *do not* present the same chemistry as Murray, Ackroyd, Ramis and to a lesser extent, Hudson. A lot of this comes down to unconscious differences in gendered group dynamics; guys simply bust each others chops, react to situations, generate internal chemistry, and present humorous elements in ways far more different than girls do. Don't think so? Okay, take the gag of a woman clobbering her husband with a rolling pin... Slight chuckle, right? Now flip the dynamic of a man going upside a woman's head with a pot....seeing the different feel? Popeye knocking Bluto through a knothole in a fence; hilarious. Olive Oyl taking a baseball bat to Betty Boop; .....what do you get from it? Slapstick especially is simply absorbed differently between the sexes, as is oddball comedy, and _Ghostbusters_ as a franchise is built largely on those two comedic elements. So it doesn't hit as well being shown happening to females as it does to males, not unless done with a given absurdist flare.

  • @moonlitebrite9317

    @moonlitebrite9317

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Sheruss I do agree that the film tried too hard to make them quasi-superhero role models, especially during the third act. But the Ghostbusters were more like working class anti-heroes. I'm not saying that female cast had to be clones to the original male team. However, if the female leads were a bit more flawed, a bit more morally ambiguous it would have made them feel more like real people.

  • @moonlitebrite9317

    @moonlitebrite9317

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Allan Tidgwell Well, Venkman was a kinda of a sleezy con artist, so his kind an anti-hero in a way. But Winston felt more like a everyman character as well as surrogate for the audience.

  • @Shenruss

    @Shenruss

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@moonlitebrite9317 Mmmm.... while I definitely am on the same _page_ with you, I don't fully agree. The OG GBs _were_ working class, but not "Anti-heroes", ore so than "Good natured goofs whom everybody could relate to". That "unextraordinary hero" vibe is _precisely_ what made them such good Saturday Morning Kids fare. We do agree that the female cast didn't need to be clones, but I was speaking more about the perspective of the comedy; because guy friendships and sensibilities simply play off each other differently, it lends itself more seamlessly to slapstick and absurdist comedy than those around female protagonists, which tends to be more dialogue or situation driven. We also agree that each character needed more fleshing out in the new version, seeming more like tropes than real people. Honestly, did you _buy_ the friendship between the two main scientists? Lesley Jones could be engaging enough on screen, but the antics of her and McKinney , tough interesting, came off as "hitting points" in a script more than "natural quirks of a real person." Concurrently, the original trio _Seemed_ like genuine college buddies whom had known each other for years; it just felt more organic and easily authentic by comparison. But, again, you do see that more natural ease of interaction in all guys dynamic than you do with all girls. Also, if you look at it, low-key.... every male (the agents, the Mayor, of course Chris Hemsworth and the villain) save the Uncle character was either oblivious, an idiot or evil. Concurrently, Janine, Dana, the experiment girl, even the hot blond at Lewis' party all seemed like real enough people in the first film, even if they fell into a damsel in distress or support role. We don't get that here.

  • @moonlitebrite9317

    @moonlitebrite9317

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Allan Tidgwell Well, to me Venkman becomes less sleazy as the film progresses. Someone once compared Venkman with Han Solo in ANH, in which you have a character who's disinterested in the fantastical mumbo jumbo, but then have a change of heart when they realize there are genuine stakes involved. And I wholeheartedly agree with this comparison as Venkman is the only character who has anything resembling an arc. Furthermore, I never say everyman as a contrast to the paragon, I thought the anti-hero was more of contrast to the "boyscout" archetype.

  • @gallaros9
    @gallaros93 жыл бұрын

    It was a soulless cash grab attempt, aiming more on agenda than good writing. So much so that no ammount of talent could fix it. There, saved you 15 minutes

  • @Chaos89P

    @Chaos89P

    3 жыл бұрын

    What is it about pushing an agenda that makes the work suffer in quality?

  • @ricosalvaje5802

    @ricosalvaje5802

    3 жыл бұрын

    Well said.

  • @batboy9997
    @batboy99973 жыл бұрын

    The problem wasn't that they were women, the problem is that they remade Ghostbusters in the first place. Am I the only one in the universe that gets this?

  • @anarchomando7707

    @anarchomando7707

    3 жыл бұрын

    have them be the Ghostbusters of Chicago No New York iconography And have it be canonical to the original , they could have said something along the lines of yeah they merchandise the shit out of these guys So now they're all around the world. Where the Freaks and Geeks go to And here we are ghostbusters Chicago division

  • @Zebojr2kool

    @Zebojr2kool

    3 жыл бұрын

    No you’re not.

  • @pentelegomenon1175

    @pentelegomenon1175

    3 жыл бұрын

    I remember in the early days of this remake craze (mid 2000s) that some people said there would eventually be a remake of Ghostbusters, and that it was going to suck. Although they said the same about Back To The Future and we're still waiting for that one, maybe Ghostbusters was enough of a fiasco to warn them off. They were right about Robocop though.

  • @AusSP

    @AusSP

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm honestly not sure if this counts as a remake or not. It's no sequel, but it's also a very different movie. It's barely even the same premise. Reboot counts, it's just that it throws out too much stuff to call a remake.

  • @batboy9997

    @batboy9997

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@AusSP It's a remake. If feige was honest about it might have actually got less hate. It's practically beat for beat the same movie as the original with almost the same plot. The only difference is the ghost conjurer is alive NOW and not the 20s.

  • @CreativeGeoff
    @CreativeGeoff3 жыл бұрын

    In nutshell, they made the same mistake the Stars Wars sequels did. Not thinking outside of the box enough and relying too hard on nostalgia callbacks.

  • @TheRealJochen

    @TheRealJochen

    3 жыл бұрын

    The star wars prequels were so bad that they were good. Ghostbusters (reboot) was just bad.

  • @SmartinSnow
    @SmartinSnow3 жыл бұрын

    I'm going to be the master of disguise? I'm going to be the master of disguise! I'm going to be the master of disguise! I'm going to be the master o...

  • @ZoanBlade90

    @ZoanBlade90

    3 жыл бұрын

    *Smacks Ninjor* "Enough!"

  • @TheAlps36

    @TheAlps36

    3 жыл бұрын

    Turtle Turtle Turtle 🐢🐢🐢🐢

  • @vintagevhstreasures4058

    @vintagevhstreasures4058

    3 жыл бұрын

    Am I not turtlely enough for the turtle club?🐢🐢🐢

  • @Markimark151
    @Markimark1513 жыл бұрын

    The movie was dead on arrival, you can’t capture the magic that the 1984 Ghostbusters movie did. James Rolfe the AVGN said it was a lightning in the bottle.

  • @otbaht

    @otbaht

    3 жыл бұрын

    especially when you tell the fans of the original IP to "f^$@ off" and the like.

  • @adamgray1753

    @adamgray1753

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pretty much, @@otbaht. I really hated how men were treated like sex objects, used, abused, and otherwise uninteresting characters. I also absolutely detested how the original Ghostbusters made mere cameos as not their characters, but some sort of bizarre failed fourth wall breaking nonsense. The final boss fight of the movie was building up to be something fricken awesome! Whoo! At least until the Ghostbusters's emblem went from a literal cartoon in their version of real life to that CGI ghost monster that got crotch shot multiple times. Ugh... That and all of the Ghostbuster (2016) teammates were a bunch of horny idiots who had virtually no good lines nor jokes at any given time as well.

  • @Markimark151

    @Markimark151

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@otbaht anytime a movie attacks it’s own moviegoers, that always backfires!

  • @Markimark151

    @Markimark151

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Allan Tidgwell it will be okay, but it’s not going to be a masterpiece like the 1984 Ghostbusters, especially with comedies now can’t even make certain jokes anymore without some people getting outraged.

  • @Markimark151

    @Markimark151

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Allan Tidgwell I just want a good sequel at least on the same level as Ghostbusters II which I don’t think was bad.

  • @DynamicUnreality
    @DynamicUnreality3 жыл бұрын

    "Few people seem to have a problem with the fact that [Leslie Jones'] role was a giant stereotype". Well, I have always had that problem with her. Has she EVER played a different character, other than "loud black woman" in a comedy role? I have never found her style of humor to be entertaining at all, its just her being loud and obnoxious all the time. She just yells everything, and gets mad about everything, its dumb. She always plays the same stereotype, and her skits on SNL actually move back race relations every time they are on.

  • @Slashkamr

    @Slashkamr

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes! The character of Winston in the original was just THAT... a character who happened to be black... nothing more, nothing less... Leslie Jones was 'I'm a black woman therefore I must act like this'

  • @liammcnulty1987
    @liammcnulty19873 жыл бұрын

    Hating this film makes you a basement dweller? Dumb take. The women won't sleep with you for attacking the critics. Vocal minority didn't want a female led Ghostbusters? That's a blatant lie. Most people wanted the original cast. Did Paul pay you off? Criticise the movie and this keyboard warrior will call you a keyboard warrior 🤡🤡🤡 pure projection.

  • @ZoeLycan
    @ZoeLycan3 жыл бұрын

    The main problem this movie has is that they ONLY foccued on the "female-power", nostalgia factor and they want "every scene to be a meme"......so they completely forgot to make a movie

  • @letsgoOs1002
    @letsgoOs10023 жыл бұрын

    red letter did a great version on why it failed

  • @ShadowSonic2

    @ShadowSonic2

    3 жыл бұрын

    RLM are Hacks.

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    The Critical Drinker did too with just one scene from the original and the 2016 one

  • @ShadowSonic2

    @ShadowSonic2

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@carybeweary7209 Out of context scene compares. Brilliant...

  • @carybeweary7209

    @carybeweary7209

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ShadowSonic2 actually no it is in context,you Jabroni The original is when they're first using the proton packs The one from 2016 is when they're trying to also use the proton packs

  • @FasterthanLight11
    @FasterthanLight113 жыл бұрын

    Stop downplaying a shitty movie in a beloved franchise.

  • @Joaquin-jz2gw
    @Joaquin-jz2gw3 жыл бұрын

    I showed this version to my 5 year old daughter and she really liked it asked to watch it again and again. Then I showed her the original and she thought that it was better than new one. Now she only asks to watch the original. She is going to have her mind blown when she sees the cartoon. Lol

  • @jekblom123
    @jekblom1233 жыл бұрын

    Because they pushed a political agenda using something very, very near and dear to many people's hearts. It's not about it being a bad movie, it's about the Ghostbusters name merely being used as a podium. Also a couple cringy jokes and effects.

  • @ShadowSonic2

    @ShadowSonic2

    3 жыл бұрын

    Every story has an agenda, social or political. The ORIGINAL Ghostbusters had a social agenda! Why such a wet blanket over this?

  • @bboysoulzero

    @bboysoulzero

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ShadowSonic2 because it's not the best way to get viewers. Blaming all men for its failure and it hurt more in its franchise and the blueray and DVD sells after

  • @DARam4009

    @DARam4009

    3 жыл бұрын

    The original was very economically conservative, pro-Reaganomics and anti-regulation. To say that Ghostbusters has never been political is just factually wrong.

  • @rockys201

    @rockys201

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ShadowSonic2 the only agenda that a film should have is simply being good, but nowadays if you don't like a movie you're called ists and isms

  • @ShadowSonic2

    @ShadowSonic2

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@bboysoulzero Considering the truly toxic and disgusting things men were saying about the movie and the cast before it came out, I don't blame Feig for protecting his actors.

  • @84everfan90
    @84everfan903 жыл бұрын

    Is this a discussion that still needs to be had?

  • @eljay5009
    @eljay50093 жыл бұрын

    Ghostbusters 2016 - Running time 116 minutes, 13,186 words of spoken dialog (113 words per minute) Ghostbusters - Running time 105 minutes, 8,603 words of spoken dialog (81 words per minute) Show - don't tell.

  • @ebooksguyguy7149
    @ebooksguyguy71493 жыл бұрын

    There's no problem with the Ghostbusters being women, the problem is all the feminist propaganda

  • @zulubunsen9067
    @zulubunsen90673 жыл бұрын

    "If I was handed a blank check..." I hope the next episode starts with "I would cash out as much as possible, run away and not bother the franchise anymore."

  • @enegmatixerebro
    @enegmatixerebro3 жыл бұрын

    THE WRITERS!!!!!!!! I always blame behind the scenes. Actors are just given a script and they do what they can with schlock.

  • @megalodon7916

    @megalodon7916

    3 жыл бұрын

    True. Some of the leading ladies have actually been in good movies, and they have proven themselves to be really talented actresses. When you don’t give your actors and actresses any direction or a well written script, however, it doesn’t matter how good they are. The movie will still suck. It’s just a waste of their talents.

  • @NicoUnken

    @NicoUnken

    3 жыл бұрын

    Film in a collaborative project. It's hard to blame ONE group when we have no idea. Maybe half of the tone was influenced by studio notes, maybe the writers were fine but the way the director and actors interpreted the writing made it all look really lame. I've read some amazing scenes in books, only to see those scenes look terribly dumb on screen. In writing, you can absorb yourself in an introspection while in film you can absorb yourself in visuals, but neither are totally dominated by the one sense. Look at Stephen King novels vs their film adaptations... And I mean actually read a Stephen King book. Not trying to say he's an amazing writer, I'm just saying the effect his writing has on you can be so incredibly different than the films inspired by his work. It's honestly really interesting to me! I love how creativity and art can change and manifest itself into something completely unrecognizable, despite being about the same stuff.

  • @HeresorLegacy

    @HeresorLegacy

    3 жыл бұрын

    The writers can only do so much. The studio executives lay out a few points they want covered. The writers provide a script according to it. Then the director and the casterpick the actors based on how they want the characters in the script portrayed. Depending on the director they maybe want some scenes rewritten, reordered etc. My point is: If the villain was a bad archetype, it is probably because the studio thought it would resonate with the intended audience. If the secretary was an actual meathead instead of what Rob suggested, the studio envisioned the role as just for eye candy. If the roles don't fit the actors, but the roles are technically well written, it is the casting director's fault. You are right with your statement, that when writers craft bad dialogue the actors can only do so much. But the job of the writers is to weave what is basically just a plot into an engaging story.

  • @megalodon7916

    @megalodon7916

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HeresorLegacy I certainly wouldn’t put all the blame on the writers, but they certainly deserve some of the blame. Frankly, in the case of this movie, I think there is plenty of blame to go around. The writers, the director, the studio, all had a hand in making this a bad movie.

  • @milestrombley1466
    @milestrombley14663 жыл бұрын

    If they made a live action Extreme Ghostbusters movie, my money would be gone.

  • @FreakProductionOF
    @FreakProductionOF3 жыл бұрын

    The point about the whole movie being cartoonish is actually make sense. I was rewatching The real Ghostbusters 80s cartoon some time ago and noticed that it represented some realistic life references in earlier seasons and I found it interesting. And now I think it's really a bit weird that there's actually a Ghostbusters movie more cartoonish and less serious than the actual oldschool cartoon lmao

  • @Omar-wq9dz
    @Omar-wq9dz3 жыл бұрын

    I'm all for gender equality, but gender swapping is not the best way to do it, in my opinion. If women really want to show empowerment, there should be brand new movies and franchises created for them the way older franchises with male leads were made like Ghostbusters and Indiana Jones. It worked for Jennifer Lawrence and the Hunger Game series, I'm sure it can work for other women too

  • @aspieringnerd9073

    @aspieringnerd9073

    3 жыл бұрын

    Basically. My problem with all this gender swapping stuff ain't that it's bad, but it's not needed. Many that have done it do it just to get onto the trend. But they're not actually doing anything new with it. Aside from the character of Holtzmann who I thought was awesome and a few scenes (Melissa Mccarthy being possessed and the concert) I remember very little

  • @TonyHavenMusic

    @TonyHavenMusic

    3 жыл бұрын

    Resident Evil was way ahead of it's time for women empowerment and most people don't even mention it in conversation about feminism, shows their agenda

  • @aidanquiett668

    @aidanquiett668

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TonyHavenMusic RE did it so good no one questions it. Think thats why many media like it work while those trying to shove it down your throat dont regarding this topic, it tries to make it natural

  • @kamikazelemming1552

    @kamikazelemming1552

    3 жыл бұрын

    If there's one thing Fate/Stay Night and its many spin-offs have taught me, it's that gender-swapping can actually work really well, in the right context. Saber is one of the most prominent characters in all of fiction despite the fact that she's supposed to be King Arthur, a character previously established as a male in literally *EVERY* story that has ever been made about the character, but rather than make her just King Arthur but a girl, they made her an actual character with fantastic motivations and a great personality.

  • @pariscloud2907

    @pariscloud2907

    3 жыл бұрын

    That would require actual work and talent though

  • @fergalstackstreams
    @fergalstackstreams3 жыл бұрын

    "This movie has a weird obsession with Chris Hemsworth and I just don't get it." Look at Paul Feig. Take one good look at the guy. Then say that again.

  • @Chaos89P

    @Chaos89P

    3 жыл бұрын

    Does Paul make your gaydar go off or something? If so, mine might be malfunctioning.

  • @moviegeek5361
    @moviegeek53613 жыл бұрын

    You know what’s really sad about this movie is that the characters can be written so well. In the comics when the crossover with the original movie ghostbusters they are actually funny and have character. The movie was honestly just happy with checking a few boxes than actually giving us character

  • @manoftruth0935
    @manoftruth09353 жыл бұрын

    0:17 that’s a character we haven’t seen in years.

  • @JediJunkie247
    @JediJunkie2473 жыл бұрын

    Ghostbusters 2016: A Cure for Insomnia

  • @GhostbustersFan77
    @GhostbustersFan772 жыл бұрын

    Yes it's true, the original Ghostbusters is not a kids movie, nevertheless it didn't stop us from watching it as kids. Though I have to admit some jokes like the ghost BJ and "We get this guy laid we won't have any trouble" went right over my head until I was a teen. And Stay Puft was a Hundred Feet Tall, not Sixty.

  • @sarafontanini7051
    @sarafontanini70513 жыл бұрын

    ahhh I think I see where the movie really failed it lacks the horror the original had

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku2 жыл бұрын

    I will definitely take Cat in the Hat over this, but I will also definitely take this over Son of the Mask. From what I've heard about the new He Man cartoon, Kevin Smith did not learn from the mistakes of this film, Nor have Marvel & DC.

  • @Ellthom
    @Ellthom3 жыл бұрын

    I still havent got around to seeing the movie lol. I just wasnt interested so I didn't watch. My girlfriend went to see it before me, asked her if it was any good, and her words to me "Don;t bother" :P

  • @megalodon7916

    @megalodon7916

    3 жыл бұрын

    Smart girlfriend. She’s right. Don’t bother with it.

  • @leob4403

    @leob4403

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@megalodon7916 I would say bother with it, it's one of the better comedies from the last few years

  • @megalodon7916

    @megalodon7916

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leob4403 Compared to what?

  • @Gamesta100

    @Gamesta100

    3 жыл бұрын

    The movie is incredibly meh. I don't hate it or like it. It's just a thing that happened.

  • @Gamesta100

    @Gamesta100

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@leob4403 Yeah compared to what? The whole queef joke sums up how funny it was. That summary is eh that's not funny.

  • @DukeDanger19567
    @DukeDanger195673 жыл бұрын

    Im not all that interested in ghostbusters if im honest. But i can tell that a movie is boring just by seeing the trailer

  • @XenoSpyro

    @XenoSpyro

    3 жыл бұрын

    Trailers are bullshit one way or the other and don't do the actual movie justice. All the reason in the world to ignore trailers and teasers. See NC's coverage of Treasure Planet to see what I mean.

  • @geekchic8798
    @geekchic87983 жыл бұрын

    Kate McKinnon was the only memorable person in the movie, including that badass scene with her and the ecto guns. Plus Extreme Ghostbusters was a lot better than Ghostbusters 2016.

  • @BUSHNAK529
    @BUSHNAK5293 жыл бұрын

    Good job Doug, this is an honest good change of pace for review style.

  • @amandacortes2923
    @amandacortes29233 жыл бұрын

    The new ghostbusters 2021 looks good though. I’m more interested in seeing that one then I was for this one.

  • @Mrtfarrugia

    @Mrtfarrugia

    3 жыл бұрын

    Is it still coming out this year or did it get bumped to 2021?

  • @amandacortes2923

    @amandacortes2923

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Mrtfarrugia My bad it was moved to May 5th, 2021

  • @motor4X4kombat

    @motor4X4kombat

    3 жыл бұрын

    It looks like a bad crossover between stranger things and power rangers. Oh and they replace the cast with kids, oh yeah replacing the jerkworks con artists we love in the original with a bunch of boring role models is bad, but replacing them with a bunch of "KIDZ RULEZ" brats Is good? Yeah next time tell me if putting a kid in blues brothers 2000 was a good idea....

  • @alexa5675

    @alexa5675

    3 жыл бұрын

    They deliberately said in the Ghostbusters: After Math trailer "there hasn't been a ghost sighting in 30 years"... oooof!

  • @2wingo
    @2wingo3 жыл бұрын

    3 word summation: It wasn't funny. 8 word summation: I didn't care what happened to these people.

  • @BarbadosBeerFestival

    @BarbadosBeerFestival

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup

  • @jetstreamattano4176

    @jetstreamattano4176

    3 жыл бұрын

    True

  • @ZoanBlade90

    @ZoanBlade90

    3 жыл бұрын

    To quote Yahtzee from his review of a Wolfenstein game (I forget which one): "All these NPCs fill me with apathy, am I supposed to care if they die?"

  • @AriochStarr
    @AriochStarr3 жыл бұрын

    First episode of Fanscription I've seen, and honestly I'm excited for the conclusion of this episode. I hope they don't leave us hanging.

  • @Spindler2007
    @Spindler20077 ай бұрын

    One of the big problems with this movie was that it was too focused on driving the "Men are scum" bandwagon rather than focus on giving a good story with good fleshed out characters as every male character in this movie was written as either an idiot or a scumbag just to make the female characters look good. It's crazy how they said that people are sexist towards women for not liking GB2016 when it was this movie that was sexist towards men.

  • @frankcuevas5155
    @frankcuevas51553 жыл бұрын

    It was assembled out of spite to its own audience.

  • @shwishwemy
    @shwishwemy3 жыл бұрын

    This channel is one of the few things that is good about 2020

  • @chickenhunter6299
    @chickenhunter62993 жыл бұрын

    Yo you make so much content, your great

  • @bnhik
    @bnhik3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah... the all female cast was totally original... we’ve never seen that before...

  • @mrtalos
    @mrtalos3 жыл бұрын

    I love this. Someone giving a balanced opinion, even if it is mostly negative. It isn't the worst film, it's not good, but I've seen far worse.

  • @stormstrider1990
    @stormstrider19903 жыл бұрын

    2016: Ghostbusters polarized the audience. 2018: The Last Jedi polarized the audience.

  • @TheListenerCanon

    @TheListenerCanon

    3 жыл бұрын

    Technically 2017 but close.

  • @TheListenerCanon

    @TheListenerCanon

    3 жыл бұрын

    And... 2020: The Last of Us 2 polarized the audience.

  • @mr.peepers9820
    @mr.peepers98203 жыл бұрын

    How can I say that I agree with everything that you laid on the table? If I'm gonna be honest, a big challenge was pretty much rewriting Ghostbusters 2, so for this one, it doesn't surprise me. When I saw the video about Ghostbusters 2 I was screaming "YES, YES, YES!!!!" at every new and returning element you added to the story. Making it a furthering piece and not a reimagining piece. There's a lot to tackle in this movie, and there's so much that just went wrong. After looking deeper into the situation it seemed like GB 3 was going to be made but Sony's chairman at the time hijacked the project and gave the movie to Paul Fieg instead. I can go on record as saying I'm probably one of the biggest 16-year-old fans of Ghostbusters out there. Master of trivia, I know the scripts line for line, and I know so much about the history of these movies. I was very disappointed that I didn't get to see Ghostbusters: Afterlife this summer as it piqued my interest greatly. Anyway, going back to this video, I agree with every character change, mostly Leslie Jones's character playing the Ray Stantz "heart" of the team. She has that essence to her. This movie really made me wonder why. The entire time my head was just thinking why. Why reboot it? Why not have everyone reprise their roles? Why hijack it? I'm a girl myself, and to me, it was never about the women. I have no trouble admitting women are funny. I just think that this movie was walking on the "we're women and if you say anything to critique us you're a misogynist" crutch, and that's how it stayed. Long story short, as I tend to ramble about subjects I am passionate about, thank you. Thank you for giving insight on what went wrong and reflecting on how we could have made it work.

  • @BlueDog241
    @BlueDog2413 жыл бұрын

    The original had a great balance of comedy and horror. The 2016 movie gave me one or two scenes that made me chuckle and zero scares. And yeah, I saw the original as a kid. Raise your hand if you didn't.

  • @fredcasdensworld
    @fredcasdensworld3 жыл бұрын

    Let me save you all 17 minutes: The problem with Ghostbusters 2016 was Paul Feig, who was involved in writing it, casting it and directing it.

  • @anticarrrot
    @anticarrrot3 жыл бұрын

    "A foot note due to keyboard warriors who ripped the film a new ones..." And studio executives, because they knew by that point they had a cinematic bomb on their hands. This film was always going to be judged badly because of the comparison with the original film. But there was no need to encourage the actors involved to directly attack 'teh internet' directly live on TV. Anyone with half a brain knew what would happen next, and the studio did it anyway in a cynical move because more female butts in seats might allow them to claw some money back.

  • @cannabiscovepnw
    @cannabiscovepnw3 жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to the Fanscription! I love what you’ve done and how you’ve deconstructed this attempted failure. I always hark back to Harold Ramis explaining how psychologists actually loved GB for how it united kids to work as teams to take on and tackle the unknown. Can’t wait!

  • @Orion_Alathorn
    @Orion_Alathorn3 жыл бұрын

    Theres a kind of sequel layout that a few of my my friends and I were really hoping for when they announced this movie where instead of it being a full on reboot it would be a sequel set in modern times where either the old team is retiring and are training/have trained replacements for themselves or they open a new branch in another part of the country and the movie would follow them. you could have all the same actors but they wouldn't have had to be shoved into the previous casts character molds, there's so much more you could do with that than retreading the story again with a reboot

  • @fabrice2878
    @fabrice28782 жыл бұрын

    i think that putting only women was not a scenaristic move but a feminist move

  • @sebastianemond5313
    @sebastianemond53133 жыл бұрын

    *DEMAND TO BE CHALLENGED! TO BE OFFENDED! TO BE TREATED LIKE THINKING REASONING ADULTS!*

  • @TheRealJochen

    @TheRealJochen

    3 жыл бұрын

    *TO HAVE A GOOD GHOSTBUSTERS MOVIE!*

  • @angiekelley9038
    @angiekelley90383 жыл бұрын

    Hi Rob, I didn't expect to hear you in this video.

  • @jproductions5977
    @jproductions59773 жыл бұрын

    Dear Robert please make an editorial for the different types of horror scares, how to use them, when to use them, and how to not over use it.

  • @GD-tt6hl
    @GD-tt6hl3 жыл бұрын

    It's taking a well written film and then 2016izing it with a bunch of unfunny improv.

  • @UnclePhil73
    @UnclePhil733 жыл бұрын

    The worst thing for a movie is to be meh. Really bad movies can make you laugh at their incompetence. This was just kinda “ok that existed”.

  • @kentonbaird1723

    @kentonbaird1723

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't think it made me laugh once, or even smile. Or care. What a waste.

  • @Gamesta100

    @Gamesta100

    3 жыл бұрын

    "Ok that existed" is my exact thoughts on the movie. Because everyone absolutely despised the movie I decided it was the movie I wanted to watch when a friend let me pick a movie to watch. I wanted to see if it was as bad as everyone said it was. When I watched it I didn't think it was a terrible movie but I didn't think it was a good movie either. It just made me emotionless because it was so meh.

  • @jenniferschillig3768
    @jenniferschillig37683 жыл бұрын

    I didn't see this movie until I showed it at my library for a family movie night. The one thing that jumped out at me was that there seemed to be a whole plot point missing. They seemed to be building up to something with the foreshadowing of Erin's sensitivity to being sneered at, with her need to be taken seriously, and with Dean Lannister's skepticism of her. Then, just before the final crisis, the four of them were acting as if some sort of major rift had happened, and were as happy to see Erin when she came back as if she'd walked out on them...when we never saw her do so. Lo and behold, when I looked it up, there WERE deleted scenes that explained all of this. Erin slugs someone who taunts her about being a fake and a freak, and later is fired for her work with the paranormal (that, of course, is where Dean Lannister comes in--she tries to kiss up to him to get reinstated, and gets hauled off by the guards). When Abby confronts her about trying to go back to Columbia, the two quarrel over Erin's embarrassment at her work, which leads to a rift between Erin and the team. So that's a whole major part of a character arc that got junked, and it made the movie feel incoherent.

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