Gotta love all these people commenting before watching the video.

@ErinPrimette

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm actually glad I saw that remake in theaters when it came out, to be fair.

@TahtahmesDiary

4 жыл бұрын

I'm excited you did this! My comment was about my excitement about hopefully seeing someone not just tear down an easy target for views and instead take time to make their own opinion, so an appropriate comment to make before video starts 😘💜

@phil6748

4 жыл бұрын

People pick and choose when they want to use box office number. Case point, before captain marvel came out all the reactionaries talked about how it would bomb at the box office and show how bad the movie is, when that didn’t happen they flipped it into “well box office doesn’t mean everything”. It’s a dumb argument.

@muddlewait8844

4 жыл бұрын

I am SO glad you made this. I had no idea there was an extended cut. My one problem with the film was the choppy editing (in places) and the pacing; if that’s been fixed, I’m stoked to check this out.

@MH5tube

4 жыл бұрын

because for a lot of people, there's nothing you could possibly say about the movie that would change their minds - it stars women, and they will always hate it on those grounds

Can't believe this was only 4 years ago. Like it makes sense that it was from 2016 I can't imagine it from any earlier or later year but 2016 feels much longer than 4 years ago

@GnosticOrthodoxChurch

4 жыл бұрын

2016 was 5 years ago

@hiro2protagonist

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes a year feels like a week, & the last few months have felt like decades. Time is relative both figuratively & literally.

@hiro2protagonist

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes a year feels like a week, & the last few months have felt like decades. Time is relative both figuratively & literally.

@TechnologicallyTechnical

4 жыл бұрын

Robin Clarke Everything pre-pandemic feels like it was at least 20 years ago

@samik83

4 жыл бұрын

To me, it feels like this came out a couple years ago. Really weird how time goes by so fast.

Movie Theaters, i miss that.

@jaredballoonboy7944

4 жыл бұрын

Me too 😭

@dondean517

3 жыл бұрын

Try six months later.

I gave the theatrical one a chance I saw the extended cut recently, and watched all of your video. The comedy was not for me and quite honestly I found the Kevin character annoying.

@PancakemonsterFO4

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the over-the-top stupidity didn't fit into them Movie at all, this isn't dumb and dumber or a Cartoon. If they wanted to keep the Jokes and make it fit into the Movie they should have given him more scenes where he gives an explaination why he is acting stupid as he turns out to be the Twist Villain anyway

@katherinemorelle7115

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the humour wasn’t for me either. But, to be honest, I recently rewatched the original, and the humour there isn’t for adult me either. I also didn’t like the style of the jokes in the new one, but again, it’s just not for me. I also greatly dislike Billy Madison, and Wedding Crashers. I just have a different sense of humour to what is currently popular in American movies. Which is not terribly surprising- I don’t tend to like American comedians either. I prefer things more dry and sarcastic. Which is fine. My daughter likes both movies.

@thebigsquig

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, I actually found the kevin character kinda mean spirited and self-centered.

@mattc2306

3 жыл бұрын

I just find the humor rather dull. Most of the jokes run for too long, are either comprised of pop-culture references (some more blatant than others), damn near every character is incompetent or annoying. I get it, comedy is subjective, but I just don't find it very funny, imho.

@poweroffriendship2.0

3 жыл бұрын

@@katherinemorelle7115 The Wedding Crashers is not a good movie but I really hate how the comedy turned out to be mean-spirited and awkwardly unfunny. Who would've thought that punching someone in a gut, or having a woman sexually harrased a man in the bed at night makes you giggle? I can't believe that movie even became the highest grossing comedy of all time, and it doesn't aged very well. That being said, I stick to good comedies because I have different tastes to. Like Monty Python and the Flying Circus, or maybe a bits of Internet memes. Even black comedy is a-okay for me at least.

The video got stuck buffering three words in so all I know so far is "Ghostbusters is good". So far so good.

@johannesseyfried7933

4 жыл бұрын

😆

@Nightfall815

4 жыл бұрын

SPOILER: The next word thereafter is "actually"...

I didn't think Ghostbusters 2016 was "good", but it is "fine". I didn't think it ruined my childhood (Ghostbusters 1984 and The Real Ghostbusters Cartoon were "my Ghostbusters), but it wasn't that great. I gave it a big ol' "meh". However, we went and saw "my" Ghostbusters 1984 in the theater when it was re-released a few years ago and today, as an adult, I found it just be "fine" and not "good" for other reasons. In short, I agree with you, I am no longer the target audience because I am no longer a child.

@Arthurguy95

4 жыл бұрын

I had a similar experience, after watching the new one with my girlfriend at the time I decided to show her the original, which is when I discovered that the jokes didn't land as well as they used to.

@Hirnlego999

4 жыл бұрын

Back to the future series have not gotten remakes (and don't need them either) but this is precisely how I viewed the moves when I watched them as an adult, I'm not the target audience anymore. This is why I'm not so outraged by Indy Jones 4 or the new SW movies either.

@katherinemorelle7115

4 жыл бұрын

I had the same experience, rewatching the old ones. Not surprisingly, my humour has changed since I grew up. I’d be a bit worried if it hadn’t, really.

@malcomchase9777

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hirnlego999 I love how people get mad at Indy 4 when it works off the same tropes as the old ones. They all have classic scenes like the "gross out" scene, the "big burly guy that Indy can't just punch but kills with a prop" scene, the "the artifact destroys the bad guy" scene, the "Indy makes an impossible escape" scene (you know that one in the 4th one), etc. The clues were always dumb, the characters were always over the top, the fourth one didn't screw that up. I personally find it the worst of the bunch (things like stereotypical russians and natives in the 2000's hit different, you know?) but it fits the style and tone of the others. It belongs.

@trevingrayek8292

4 жыл бұрын

The only really major disappointment for me was the ghost designs. The concept art for the original ones would have been so cool to see

I had no idea there even was an extended cut. I'm glad you told me. I only ever saw the theatrical cut and I thought it was perfectly fine, if nothing super special, and felt like there was more they could do with it. I'm glad the studio agreed and I'll be hunting it down soon.

The biggest criticism I have about this film was the way everyone’s acting made it feel like a sketch. The world never felt as believable when it was trying to be mundane as the original film. It felt like an extended SNL skit about ghostbusters, not an attempt at a reboot.

@Johnnywilsonforever

4 жыл бұрын

I liked the characters, the part where I really felt it down to earth was where Dr. Erin was talking about how her friendship with Aby started, and that little toast from Holtzman at the end. Maybe that's what the movie lacked in that regard, some introspective moments to connect a little more with the characters because they were fine but they tried to put too much comedy.The script was the problem.

As someone who did unironically enjoy the movie in theaters, I wasn't aware that there was an uncut 2+ hour version and will check that out sometime soon. I'll always be sad that we won't get a sequel because I liked the characters and felt the main cast all had fun chemistry together, including Chris Hemsworth. sigh

@brettmastema7056

4 жыл бұрын

I did too, although I totally checked myself after I saw the film and fell for the Hemsworth appeal. I thought he was good, although wasn't as good as i felt watching him. I felt Leslie (i think thats her name) and Megan were the two really bringing in the laughs for me. Had Chris Hemsworth been a less attractive performer, I would have not been as impressed. I realized that my admiration for him was more "i didnt think Thor would be able to pull off comedy" so i think my bar for him, was low. He was enjoyable though and completely naked im sure i would have liked even more.

@JimJamTheAdmin

4 жыл бұрын

@@brettmastema7056 thank you for your review of Mr. Hemsworth, it will be filed in the archives for later review.

@kiriki4558

4 жыл бұрын

I liked the movie too, i watched it two times more because is entreteaning , i liked the characters and jokes. it has it's flaws but it is by no means boring or bad.

@RJIS

4 жыл бұрын

I wish it wasn’t ignored with Ghostbusters Afterlife, since I don’t see why this film needs to be retconned. There’s no significance plot points that would affect the timeline.

"Extended cut", "Theatrical cut", the REAL best way to experience Ghostbusters (2016) is to play the Lego game!

@jaredballoonboy7944

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, there's a LEGO game??

@campkira

4 жыл бұрын

meh... most of them just some you left on tv while you doing thing around the house...

@overthemoo

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh is it really that good?? I’m not even sure I knew it had a Lego Game.

@zacharylumsden

2 жыл бұрын

It's on LEGO Dimensions

My issue with it was basically the exact opposite of the one rebutted here. I felt like it never got to be its own movie because it was so consistently self aware about its relationship to the 80s movie.

"Just WHO would these mini-me's call?" "...My mom?" That is legit adorable.

@buranflakes

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely precious

Can't wait for the next Renegade Cut video: "The Wrong Missy was good, actually."

@matiaslucas8933

4 жыл бұрын

The Wrong Missy is a great movie!

@jonnysac77

4 жыл бұрын

MMaRsu yes

@mediaikonz

4 жыл бұрын

Oof.

0:38 I love the stock footage guy on the far left of the screen, who is clearly not having as good a time as everyone else, probably is not super thrilled with whatever's on the screen, but is trying his damndest not to be an outright buzzkill. A bold and nuanced character choice.

I remember seeing this in theaters and having a lot of fun, even if the theatrical cut wasn’t the strongest. Now I’m beyond curious to see the actual whole movie. Thanks for the recommendation!

Probably the hottest take I've ever read as a title on this channel

To me, the story of the 80’s ghostbusters wrapped up with the 2009 game and I was fine with the new 2016 one as a change of pace.

@drudle

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. People went in expecting the "next" chapter in the Ghostbusters universe rather than the "first" chapter in a new Ghostbusters universe. They set themselves up for failure at the onset.

I've been a huge Ghostbusters fan my whole life, and I saw this movie in theaters. I really enjoyed it--so much so that I bought the blu-ray. I didn't enjoy the extended version as much. Granted, I concede that it did have a lot more exposition, but a lot of the deleted gags were well deleted.

Though I never saw the extended cut, strangely enough, I thought the weakest parts of the movie were when it was trying to pander to the older fans. The cameos felt out of place. The use of Slimer was not the best. And basically re-creating the marshmallow man scene with the Ghostbusters logo felt a bit stale to me. I thought everything original about this movie was a lot of fun! I was looking forward to see it break free of its past in a sequel.

@entrydenied

4 жыл бұрын

Storyograph Paul Feig originally didn't want that many GB references. The movie was also supposed to be scarier. Sony told him to add more GB references after the complaints, and to make it more suitable for kids. Basically Sony shouldn't have meddled and should have ignored the complaints. I liked the film enough but a darker, scarier film might have appealed more.

@brettmastema7056

4 жыл бұрын

LOL whats funny is that many of the things you hated I found charming. I loved the cameos. I don't remember slimer exactly, although I thought his family were cute. And i chuckled at the logo spray painted. I only remember the marshmallow man as a balloon ghost, which i didn't really understand, Im not saying you are wrong in your opinions, I just think it's funny how different we both felt on those.

@poweroffriendship2.0

3 жыл бұрын

@@entrydenied That's why "executive meddling" is the biggest problem to every industry out there. Paul Feig could've succeeded as a decent reboot if it wasn't for the executives who seemed to get away with the karma. That happened with Spider-Man 3 when Venom wasn't supposed to be there, and that's when Sam Raimi's trilogy ended on a tragic note. It looks like Sony (and other studios as well) haven't learned anything about meddling the creative minds. These executives should be fired for sabotaging someone's work just for the sake of dollar signs. I would like a scarier version of Ghostbusters reboot that is closest to the _Real Ghostbusters_ animated series. But it looks like it's too late because of said controversies and blaming on Trump, even when he didn't knew the 2016 movie existed. The third sequel of the original Ghostbusters looks a lot more chilling with a Stranger Things atmosphere.

Sometimes your love of something happens in a specific time and place and it can't be replicated because that moment in time is gone. Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. Don't be sad you can't get back to that feeling of childhood imagination and pure joy. Move forward and experience new sensations.

This is an argument I've had for a long time, and not just with Ghostbusters but with several childhood franchises that have opted to alter their image in order to reach a newer generation of children. The accounts already in the comment section here are littered with imo accurate "it was fine/okay/alright/not awful as others make out" ring true for the very reason you spelt out; it's not for them - or, to be more precise, that adult sensibility or nostalgia was only a side of this production, not the core of it.

@Theus227

4 жыл бұрын

TMNT comes to mind. It's surprising to me that I have to remind people it's for kids

@messybedroom

4 жыл бұрын

Obeah but in someways it’s like how come Batman can progressively get better, Spider-Man gets 27 franchises better, The Avengers get an entire universe and Oscar worthy better, and TMNT get more preschoolish and Ghostbusters is nothing but slime? The scripts just lack so much care even if it’s aimed at kids, we’re robbing them of a better story.

@sidereus95

4 жыл бұрын

@@pennlaundry9284 You can have entertainment that has multiple demographic appeal, but that doesn't mean movies can't be made with a particular demographic in mind. Sometimes movies can be a cheesy romp that only appeals to certain people, and that's okay (if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have cult classics that gained appreciation from a particular string of fans.)

@potatoheadhaoy

4 жыл бұрын

@@pennlaundry9284 That argument isn't particularly relevant here unless you're a triggered MRA sympathizer or something.

I'm calling this now for posterity. This video will garner more views for Renegade Cut than any other and maybe not all for the good reasons.

The home release is also fascinating with how the ectoplasm, ghosts, and proton beams break past the wide-screen blackbars. It's a really unique choice. (Also, the book tie-in, "Ghosts From Our Past", is super fun and "edited" due to it being used for evil by the film villian. There was some actual thought out into it.)

@coyotegaxiola4281

4 жыл бұрын

I LOVE the way it busts out of the confines of the frame, too!

I felt like the weakest parts were the most old-fan service. Slimer and the cameos by Bill Murray and Dan Akroyd in particular. I adore all four of the lead actor/comedians but I still wish Erin had been cast as non-white. I think it would have been more resonant with the whole “struggling to be taken seriously in ways white associates are happy to thumb their noses at” and softened some of the issues with Patty being the only non-institutional-academic. But yeah, I absolutely agree with all your points, too, and am glad this movie exists and is good.

@rafaelneumann8365

4 жыл бұрын

My favorite criticism of this movie is "women protagonists remakes is just a gimmick". Yeah... and starring Bill Murray in a movie was a gimmick in the 80's. Likely the only reason an executive green-lit it. I mean. The pitch for both those movies would be likely very similar. OG Ghost Busters pitch: "So... it is a movie about these people who hunt ghosts." "This seems childish." "One of the ghost hunters is Bill Murray." "Sold" 2016 Ghost Busters pitch: "So... it is a movie about these people who hunt ghosts." "This seems childish." "It will be a remake of Ghost Busters and the cast is all female." "Sold"

Patty is in fact the best character. Jillian is merely the funniest

@cyberpilate

4 жыл бұрын

This comment is pure and honest and true.

@CmdrKing

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll never understand how anyone could see “room full of nightmares” and think this movie was terrible. Just some of the purest comedy I’ve ever seen in a film.

@erikottosen6797

4 жыл бұрын

THE POWER OF PATTY COMPELS YOU!!!

Still didn't make the box set lol

Another one of the most interesting factors for me is the women's delight at seeing the ghosts. The guys in the first movies (which I still love btw) were a little ho-hum and jaded in their reactions, but I love the ladies sheer happiness at realizing that ghosts are real. Oh, and my 15 year old niece (who is Black) absolutely loved this movie. She's never seen the original films. And her favorite character was Patty.

commenting before watching the video: I'm not ready for this take editing after watching: I accept this take

omg is about that time already? in all fairness i didn't even bother with this because it looked like another "SNL" movie, where they put comedians in front of a camera and hope the whole things works(and very rarely does)

@mythiot

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, that's literally what the first movie was.

@FeministCatwoman

4 жыл бұрын

I gave it a chance (the 2 hr cut) and now I like it more than the original version.

@Druzica18

3 жыл бұрын

@@mythiot THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

@spendsshanks6050

3 жыл бұрын

@@mythiot The first movie was actually good

The world is burning down. I didn't even remember this movie existed. Don't get me wrong, love your essays.

"Strong pocket-square game... (sigh)" LOL

I watched the extended cut but like... I didn't like it. I just don't like most modern hollywood movies. They're a little overly polished and it doesn't click with me. Good video though! EDIT: reconsidering, I did watch it when I was an anti feminist shithead. Maybe its time for a rewatch...

@infinityentity

4 жыл бұрын

Sensing some character growth here haha well done! I doubt you'll suddenly love it if the style and/or comedy just didn't appeal to you the first time but not being hung up on anti-feminist ideologies does help with seeing it for the fun romp it is.

@brettmastema7056

4 жыл бұрын

If you are a fan of idiotic conspiracy theories look up the one from the channel, call for an uprising (something like that) Where he breaks down the series as Illuminati propaganda.

@grayforester

3 жыл бұрын

When the villain is an incel you can bet they were looking to step on some toes.

I loved Ghostbusters and had no idea an extended cut exisited

I had the opposite reaction. I actually was fine with the theatrical cut when I watched in the theater, but watching the extended cut at home just... tired me out, the improv seemed to drag on longer, well past its welcome. But I'm not entirely sure if it's a case of HOW I watched it, than the actual cut; I tend to like movies more in theaters than at home. Might give it another watch. And yes, the ghostbusting gadgets were sweet. Do agree there.

honestly the way you brought up how the ghostbusters throughout time is for different people is interesting. the passing down the torch to kids makes me think a bit though, because it does show different people for the old fanbase. because people are still attached to franchises and it is hard to disconnect personal experiences from nostalgia or the past direction of things to pass down to newer markets. while there are other fans that consume anything related as long as there is a vague sense of continuity (in concepts, like a formula) to introduce newer fans or even their kids to. It’s just interesting how hollywood tries to revive certain franchises, and makes me realize that there is an art to that, the art of balancing a film into something new audiences can consume easily (and not just feeling vintage for the sake of it) and gathering elements to satisfy older fans to continue supporting the franchise. The next film I see is getting more hype because of a switch of direction that can please older fans but I wonder about the new elements that will convince families with kids to get interested also. (the name of course, but I wonder about teh merch lol)

I grew up with the old Ghostbusters. I used to have one of those really cheap toy proton packs, and a ghost trap as well. It's definitely one of my favorite movies ever. I also had a good time with the 2016 Ghostbusters. I wasn't blown away by it or anything, but I laughed, I enjoyed the action scenes, thought the ghosts and the CG effects and such looked really good...it was fine! Really! And it didn't erase the old Ghostbusters movies, either! I missed the scene where Bill Murray showed up for a cameo because I needed a bathroom break, but I thought it was hilarious to hear that he showed up, said like one line, and then immediately died LOL

It's always a treat to listen to you talking about something you like

I hated this film, then I watched it with my kid...the look on her face, the way she smiled, and the way she laughed it gave me an appreciation for it. Then she wanted to play Ghostbusters with me. Now it's one of our shared favorite films.

@jaredballoonboy7944

4 жыл бұрын

That's really sweet ❤️

@TahtahmesDiary

4 жыл бұрын

🤗💜 Kids give new eyes--when my then 3 year old twins laughed at the Pixar opening sequence where the lamp jumps on the i, I was startled then got good memories of when Pixar was new and that was an actual short they would play and how much I enjoyed it then. I had totally forgotten, but now appreciate movies like Dreamworks and them making funny openers again, they help me see & enjoy the simple things.

@LadyOfTheEdits

4 жыл бұрын

Aww that's so sweet. 😊

@nitzeart

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I've only recently watched with my little niece because she LOVES it! And that is all that matters. Edit: but I had a blast watching it with her. I think is such a fun movie. So yeah. Actually, it's good.

"Presumably under the hypothesis that bustin' will make her feel better." I laughed, indeed I did! Also, I thought the 2016 movie was actually pretty darned funny. People always want me to hate it, but, it was pretty good! I liked most of the jokes, and the visuals are nice too. I did dislike that Sony seemed to make it all about how it was a female movie. I just wanted them to advertise it like a movie, not to make it all about the women, even though I do like all of the ladies in this film!

I haven't seen the movie yet so I'll limit myself to the points you made in the beginning. I agree whole heartedly that full/extended/directors cuts should be the default cut. The only reason I can see for not doing so ( besides ticket sales) is DVD sales. However it doesn't makes sense in that regard either. The doubt the average viewer will give a movie a second chance in blue ray if any good faith was lost in the theatrical cut. Perhaps the studio is banking on the fanbases but even if all the fans did buy the new cut that's not a lot in the grand scheme of things. The only other reason I could see for a shorter cut is that people might not actually want to sit in a theater for 2 and a half hours. However unless you have medical issues of are on a tight schedule an engaging movie will make it so that you are never looking at your phone for the time. The more you look at it the less it makes sense to provide a worse product especially if you want to maximize longevity and profits

@ValkyrieTiara

4 жыл бұрын

The thing about full/extended/director's cuts should be the default cut isn't ALWAYS true. Directors aren't the same as editors, and sometimes (not always, maybe not even most of the time, but often enough) movies are edited down for good reason. If you haven't seen it, "How Star Wars was saved in the edit" is an excellent video detailing the difference between George Lucas' original cut of the film and the edit that eventually saw theatrical release (and that fans have been trying to reclaim for years due to Lucas' re-re-editing). Auteur theory is mostly bunk, movies are collaborative art and the idea of a "single pure vision" is essentially never realized (usually for the best). For an even more direct example of this, look at literature. "Author's Original Unedited" or "Author's Preferred Text" versions of novels are about as auteur as it's possible to be and (when they aren't simply rewrites/expansions by a now-more-experienced-author) ...are typically ambling and dry without actually adding all that much to the story or characters.

2 hours and 13 minutes is considered long???? 🤨.

@raylampert1243

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler Fraser for a comedy it generally is. Most comedies these days clock in at about 90 minutes. Action/adventure movies about 2 hours, and serious dramas can go 2 1/2 to 3. There are of course exceptions, but that seems to be the general guidelines.

I wasn't the biggest fan of this movie, but it really doesn't deserve the hate that it gets. Seems like some people think that its existence somehow invalidates the rest of the Ghostbusters franchise, which is just dumb.

I also loved that Feig played with the aspect ratio. While most of the movie had the standard 21:9 letterbox format, ghost and proton pack effects broke the black bars at the top and bottom, filling out a 16:9 screen. The effect adds an incredible amount of depth to the picture.

@renegadecut9875

4 жыл бұрын

I saw the theatrical version in 3D, and holy crap. Best use of 3D I have ever seen. It leapt off the screen in that scene.

I didn't even know there was an extended cut. Thanks for adding it to my watchlist!

Humor in the movie still didn't do it for me, don't know if the extended cut would make it more palatable, but at the very least I see your points. Especially since it's been so long that my passionate disliking of this movie has died down.

Anyone else listen to renegade cut’s voice to lull you off to sleep? I mean this is in a good way and not a shady way. I sleep better knowing someone else sees all the bullshit too, and has such a talent for articulating it. Thanks for helping me sleep better at night renegade cut.

As someone who was in my freshman year of high school when the movie came out, I will attest, I loved it a lot. At the time I was actually a little surprised because I didn't really like the original. I didn't dislike it, but it wasn't my thing. What was my thing was Holzman licking her gun, and Kevin being possessed and dancing. It made me happy. It was sheer fun. And I don't think I've even seen the full cut. I haven't watched it since then either, but I was disappointed at the time when I found out some people hated it with a passion. It's nice to see videos about it on the other side of the fence.

Just like ghost busters I tried and failed to finish this video

“So who would these mini-mes call?” “My mom” That was adorable.

Bustin' out all controversial up in here... Cuz I ain't not afraid of no ghosts.

I'm gonna lie, the gif of the girl in the Ghostbusters uniform made me aww.

@13strong

4 жыл бұрын

You're going to lie?

Renegade cut: teaches important lessons about films, philosophy, politics and life in his videos Me: your not my dad Renegade cut: That is contrary to what she said

Would you ever do something on something like avatar/adventure time/steven universe? I’d be interested to what you think of these shows that are meant for kids, but deal with heavier topics theoughout

2:20 canadian netflix version is 1h56m? that's 17m shorter than the 2h13m extended cut but it can't be the theatrical cut because i remember the dancing scene? any idea wth cut i watched?

I grew up with the original Ghostbusters because of my older siblings, so it was part of my life but not as fundamental as it was for them. That said, I still enjoyed the 2016 version. I even liked parts of it more than the original because I'm a fan of bright colors and the optimism that the 2016 version had compared to the cynicism of the original.

This movie sucks

I love the message of this one. The best part of anything in my mind is sharing it with others and seeing their excitement and enjoyment grow alongside yours.

I forgot Rowan was even a part of the film until you brought him up. That's probably my only main gripe with it. He's very forgettable until he steps into Chris Hemsworth's body. The other is the Fall Out Boy rendition of the theme song. Not that good. That said, the main cast naturally had a lot of good chemistry & I think it needs a sequel rather than the upcoming one we're promised. If the girls were characters from later entries in the franchise like the cartoon or comics I'm sure fans would have had no problem with it. They seemed accepting of girl Ghostbusters then, so why not now?

What's funny about this is that I saw the theatrical cut and I found Rowan to be boring. But the way you explained his inverted understanding of why he thinks he's marginalized was really interesting. This reminded me of Hal Stewart from Megamind, a shlubby cameraman who has an unreciprocated attraction to his coworker that reaches uncomfortable levels and gets worse when he gets superpowers and becomes increasingly unstable after being rejected, previously under the impression that being a superhero with powers entitles him to a woman he saved from danger--danger which he caused to this end. He's a good foil to Megamind, who, suffering from bad faith perspectives of his own, made Hal a superhero so he could have a nemesis to fight and maintain a status quo he thinks he needs, because he doesn't know what else to do with his life. Megamind was marginalized and Hal truly wasn't. If you wanna talk about a perfect modern world villain, Hal is definitely one, in my opinion.

The humor was just too bad for me to sit through. I just couldn't take it. I tried but I couldn't do it. Just my own personal feelings, of course.

@ZeCoolGuy-lk5mg

3 жыл бұрын

@Gravestone999 i don't even watch it

I didn’t know there was an extended cut, I might have to go check that out.

I'm a 50 year old guy who saw the original in the theater on opening day in 1984. I loved the original but I also enjoyed the 2016 version. I have two daughters and they enjoyed the 2016 version. This analysis is correct! This film is not meant for me. It's meant for my daughters (even though I enjoy it as well). Besides that, it reunited Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy and it ALSO had Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, and Chris Hemsworth. Great cast! By the way, I guess I'll have to check out the extended cut. I didn't know there was an extended cut!

Your response to the criticism that the Ghostbusters are women was perfect. That’s all I’ll say about it. And I will be watching the extended edition on Amazon this October. Thank you for this.

Just started watching the video. Haven't seen the movie since it came out, but have to say I am kinda impressed by how vibrant and pretty the colors look in this movie. Like wow, I got so used to de-satured low-contrast Marvel look in modern movies, that this legit looks beautiful.

I haven't seen the extended cut, but I'm gonna check it out now. Thank you for this wholesome content.

I saw the 2016 Ghostbusters extended cut thanks to your video. It was hilarious and I loved every minute if it. So thanks Renegade Cut!

I agree with your point about the humor. It's the reason I didn't like the movie. I loved all the actresses in other movies. It's not that I don't like rapid fire comedy either. I think one of the funniest shows on TV in the recent past was Archer; a show which is very fast paced and takes several re-watches to get everything. The comedy in Ghostbusters just fell flat for me. The jokes weren't particularly witty, and weren't structured well imo. By far my favorite was Leslie Jones. Chris Hemsworth is hot, and I think he did the best he could with the material he was given, but the best I got out of him was a few cheap chuckles.

10:57-12:22 Thanks! I needed to hear that. And honestly remakes of 80s/90s taught me to just chill. If it appeals to kids or an audience that just ain't me that's fine. The humor and pacing just was not for me. And that's fine! It's time to stop being such a neckbeard about my nostalgia! And I'm girl so I don't even have a beard lol!

Where can I find the extended cut to watch?

Only ever saw the extended version, but I found it subpar. The characters were annoying , jokes were unfunny and dragged on for too long, and the ghost designs and animation were poor. Some moments were amusing though, which made it not terrible but not good.

This isn’t the LEAST funny comedy ever made, but it sure feels like it when you’re watching it.

I never had much of an attachment to the original films, I thought it was fine with some solid comedy. I don't really like Melissa McCarthy and Kristin Wiig was kind of under-utilised, but I enjoyed Kate McKinnon's performance (though did stray into "look how zany I am" territory at times). Leslie Jones and Chris Hemsworth were standouts for me.

Renegade Cut has a very important voice to offer.

FINALLY! I've been saying it since 2016

I actually enjoy both versions of the movie, but the extended cut gave us the exposition we needed for the plot. What’s your opinion on Ghostbsuters: Afterlife?

I agree the appeal is mainly for kids, but I'd still love to see some appreciation for all the fantastic old nyc references in the climactic sequence, which the kids definitely aren't picking up on, but as a nyc history nerd I very much enjoyed.

I love videos that look back at movies like this. I wanna get into the 2016 Ghostbusters cuz it looks like it has potential Thank God they have an extended cut

“Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?”

Leon! You are awesome! Thank you for the vid, it's what I needed today.

Great video, but i'd like to make a point. While i think it's condescending to assume that general audiences ad adverse to long 2+ hour movies (see: Titanic, Avatar, Avengers Endgame, LOTR etc) when it comes to comedies brevity is important. Before the Judd Apatow boom in the 2000s most comedy movies were a neat 90-100mins, thats how the genre works best. If Feig couldn't make Ghostbusters (2015) work in the 116mins the studio allotted him (thats 9mins more than the original Ghostbusters) then he isn't capable of making a good Ghostbusters movie.

I was going to disagree with you but O.k. I never seen the extended cut. Edit so after work I am gonna give it a fair shake. Edit 2 the next morning it's not my cup of tea but it's not BAD 8 year old me would have got as much out of it as 8 year old me did of the first one. Not as good as the original and does not stand up as well as the first to rewatch as an adult but not bad and not worth striking from canon.

I like your take on it as well your general positivity. Thank you for that. As you said, the film simply wasn't for me - it didn't quite match my kind of humour (and I really didn't care for the colour grading), but my younger sister enjoyed it... so we had a good time. The worst argument you brought up is probably the "It's not my anymore". You're absolutely right: Of course it isn't, for it never went away. Rewatch/replay that if you feel nostalgic. Show it to your kids if you have to. But don't throw a tamper tantrum when a new iteration of your favourite childhood property doesn't appeal to your adult sensibilities.

I personally didn't watch the movie, because none of the trailers or clips I saw interested me, but I'm not about to say it was a bad movie because of that. Regardless of one's opinion on this movie, it didn't ruin Ghostbusters. If you want the original, you can easily watch the original. It still exists, untarnished. There is nothing keeping you from it. The sky isn't falling.

This is the best example of a movie’s detractors being so pathetic that I want to like it just to spite them. And I did want to... but I just couldn’t. It was painfully unfunny.

@infinityentity

4 жыл бұрын

Good on you for being willing to give it a chance, there are other things to appreciate in it besides the humor but like Renegade said it doesn't have to appeal to you and that's alright. I think it was just ok while my friend loved it and found it really funny.

@brettmastema7056

4 жыл бұрын

You wanted to like the movie to spite the pathetic director? WTF does that mean? Are you meaning you were hoping to enjoy the film as a bad movie, like its so terrible its hysterical? I am really lost on how you are getting back at the director for liking the film. Oh, did you mean despite him?: Are you like 14?

@Leonards-leopard

4 жыл бұрын

Brett Mastema detractor

@Spectra651

4 жыл бұрын

@@brettmastema7056 Dude, they said "DETRACTORS."

Nice to see someone with a positive take on Ghostbusters 2016. I love the original, it's my favorite movie of all time, and I enjoy the new one for the movie it is. Maybe I don't laugh as much at this type of humor, but I still like the story and characters and am glad there's another Ghostbusters movie out there that I can watch with my nieves and nephews, who love it about as much as I love the original

thanks a lot Renegade Cut, i'm gonna have Bustin' stuck in my head all day.

A good video - I was bummed when all the backlash happened against the movie before it even came out, it felt like it made the stakes for the movie to be perfect 'or else'. Then when it came out and it was like, a solid B+ movie (fun but nothing like, amazeballs awesome) everyone who said women couldn't be the Ghostbusters used that as justification to claim it was just bad instead of realizing it for what it was; a solid family friendly B+ movie that was clearly aimed at kids in ways the originals weren't but had become over time. They were actualizing the Ghostbusters franchise for what it was meant to be.

@subspacesausage5918

4 жыл бұрын

The problem was the way the movie was marketed. Every reboot faces criticism towards changes, what matters is how it responds. In Gb case, the new all women team was the glaring difference. Of course the fans started to point it out. Now then, one way they could have responded was to calm people down with a promise to stay faithful to the original despite the changes. Thats not what happened. Instead they chose to call out the trolls and indulge in a controversy. Hence if you google Ghostbusters now you will see courtless articles featuring words like ”misogyny” and ”sexist men”. Doesnt really feel like a nice family friendly comedy movie, eh? A better marketing strategy would have stayed away from these associations at all costs.

@maegnificant

4 жыл бұрын

It was NOT a B+ Movie. What you are describing is at best, a C-

If the extended version was good, it would have taken off in the streaming and rental market since 2016.

I played Venkman at Universal for Horror Nights and the experience was like I was Elsa for all 40 year old men. I learned that so many people have so much love for this property. I actually enjoyed the 2016 version a lot. I felt it was a solid remake. I ddn't even know there was a longer version until your video. My only reget about the new version was the choice of not basing the film in the same universe as the original films. The 2016 version wasn't a reboot is was a remake. It had many elements from the original film that were retooled for this film. The 2020 Ghostbusters film brings back the 1980s cast members and it would have been fun to see them incorporate parts of the 2016 film, but the choice to not have the two films connected, gives no ability for a cross over. I am excited now to watch the original cut of the 2016 film now I know it exists. :-) love your content

Technically I'm someone who was born in the 80's but the later 80's so I idenitfy myself more as a "90's fan" and someone who really only knew about stuff like Ghostbusters through appearances on say Muppet Babies and general pop culture osmosis then in terms of watching the original two movies which I never really did. I know they have their fans and they seem enjoyable but yeah I never saw them. And I'm still someone who even as an adult liked Ghostbusters. And yeah I do believe you can judge children's movies and point out if they're crap whether or not they are movies that are made for you despite being fans of the oirginal source material (for example The Last Airbender and Dragonball Evolution SUCK. And though I am an older Dragon Ball and Avatar the Last Airbender fan I don't need to be to know why they fail and are so terrible) but some properties got a special amount of vitriol that yeah did not seem warranted upon a remake and Ghostbusters 2016 was one of them. Granted I am curious what they are going to do with Afterlive but even that will still be made a lot for the kids (thus why it STARS kids) and yeah that will probably pass the baton of Ghostbusters better then just rebooting it but it's not like they just copy pasted the original just with women and worse jokes or something. Even as someone who only heard of the original I know the 2016 has a different tone and feel and it works for what it is and yeah it's still something getting totally dumped on where it really shouldn't be so props to Leon for actually putting up a defense of it. As so few actually care or wish to do.

Lol

Leon what the fuck are you talking about have you lost your goddamn mind- "The extended cut. The theatrical cut is...fine" Okay you had me worried for a sec there

I do not know which version I saw. I only remember thinking "man, there is a good movie somewhere in this." so maybe that was the theatrical. Don't know. Anyway, I think I agree with you. Nice video. As always. For so many years now.

This is the hot take I come here for

This is great. Thanks for the perspective, I saw this when it first came out on streaming and thought it was okay. But the generational point really brought it home. It is fun and kids are more receptive to movies because they aren’t aware of the “preservation of nostalgic culture”

I didn't know about the other cut! Gonna have to check it out.

I didn't think it was that bad at all. I too thought the editing was pretty bad, as you pointed out. I remember during the end there was one scene where I just really didn't understand how it even transpired because it cut in so suddenly.

It was a meh movie but the outrage was definitely too over the top for a kids movie

@Coffeebean1985

4 жыл бұрын

The outrage was too over the top for any movie. Sexism should never be an acceptable form of criticism.

@quorryraphael9980

4 жыл бұрын

@@Joecbg100 idk, just any kid? It's a fun enough movie with lots of childish jokes.

@Greenarchy

4 жыл бұрын

JosephDiEgidioIII my 6 yo thinks it’s great

@ChoaticCrater

4 жыл бұрын

The original movies weren't kid movies, also kids movies are allowed to be good and well directed like Toy Story, also if you were a Ghostbuster fan from the original films you would understand why people didn't like it, the so called outrage was turning Ghostbusters into a CGI mess just for kids, but media did well to make some idiots (even today here) believe it was sexism, blame the fans (who are adults is this scenerio) is always the road people go now, least you kids liked it.

@merfah7022

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChoaticCrater Nah. It's the typical Gamergate syndrome, bunch of old kids acting like someone is stealing their stuff. Sexism was a bid deal, in fact. If you had paid attention at the complaints instead of, y'know, trying to make excuses for it you would know. Fans, in general, doesn't matter the franchise, are extremely annoying and petty, anything makes them start complaining because of nostalgia, and if you don't pat them in the head and tell how right they are, we all know where it goes.

renegade cut: makes a 15-minute long, detailed and well-reasoned explanation of why ghostbusters (2016) is good actually me, a lesbian: hehe kate mckinnon hot

@BJ-mz1hd

4 жыл бұрын

You're a women of Culture

@ReverieNightengale

4 жыл бұрын

Relatable.

@bulletproofblouse

4 жыл бұрын

oh god, so hort Many people complained of a background hum in theatres and it was thought to be bad sound compression on the digital transfer, but it was later discovered to be just the lesbians, yearning.

@natevans8024

4 жыл бұрын

I seriously lost my mind. I didn’t know abt her until I saw this movie and it changed me

@hangukhiphop

4 жыл бұрын

not to mention incredibly talented!

The movie would've been good if I'd never seen the originals or if it attempted to have a real storyline to tie in with the originals. That's why Afterlife works and completes the trilogy. To me 2016 Ghostbusters is just a long bonus feature