WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Mark* answers audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Intro 01:17 Mark Steel’s Background 05:36 What Was it Like Getting Into Stand-up in the 80s? 11:57 Being at the Heart of a Cultural Movement 14:21 What Does Being Left Wing Mean to Mark? 21:01 Can Socialist Societies Work? 25:20 Sponsor Message: Express VPN 27:01 Mark’s Entry Into The Left 32:02 How Mark’s Upbringing Affected His Political Views 37:26 The Loss Of Solidarity Amongst The Working Class 44:34 The Conflict Between Freedom Of Expression & Comedy 55:47 What Is The Left? 1:01:41 Is Mark Excited By The Prospect Of a Labour Government? 1:07:13 What Mark Has Learned From His Stand-up Career 1:13:41 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?

I’ve been listening to Mark Steel since I was in my teens and I’m now middle aged. Goes to show what a quality speaker he is. Great guy. Also check out ‘The Mark Steel lectures’. He is someone who can actually bring history to life. A lot of them are on KZread.

People voting for Labour or Conservative are essentially voting for the same thing. And it's a fabulous construct believing they're different.

@YoutubeHandlesSuckBalls

11 ай бұрын

Whoever you vote for, the government ends up in power. All you can do is keep swapping the name of the party in charge to keep them on their toes and stop them turning into monsters.

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

I think there's a world of difference between corbyn and starmer. Having said that there are many tories who are calling for renationalising of the railways. There are so many crossovers in politics nowadays. Some conservstives are more "left wing" than some labourites. Problem is left wing nowadays seems to be about throwing benefits at people rather than supporting their calls for a decent living wage. The third wayn(the combination of private and public companies) seems to be here for better or worse

@SoaronhighlikeEagle

11 ай бұрын

Then did you vote for Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party!?

@kylethedalek

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@catscan2022How? The railways are pretty much nationalised. I’ve seen a lot of channel debunk the living wage or what ever to call it.

@anonymousAJ

11 ай бұрын

"After World War II, American influence ensured that the entire country was more or less surrendered to the Labour Party-the political organ of the Nonconformist tradition. The result is well described in Peter Hitchens’ über-reactionary, but quite cogent, Abolition of Britain, or somewhat more apolitically in Theodore Dalrymple’s Life at the Bottom. New Labour is more or less a Cromwellian restoration, and one can only hope that its long-awaited comeuppance will be enlivened by the hanging of a corpse or two. ...And as of late, the so-called Tories have undergone the same degrading humiliation. In the UK, any significant resistance to “super-protestantism” is now a footnote of history. The country’s descent into sheer ecstatic barbarism, as long foretold by critics of the Nonconformist ascendancy, is now at hand." How Dawkins was Pwned Part 2 - Mencius Moldbug

I may disagree with them on a bunch of things. But I can respect a sincere lefty/socialist who hasn't acquired Trump/Brexit derangement syndrome. And who believes the answer to those things is a leftist alternative, rather than supporting the establishment and labeling everyone who voted for those things a racist.

@anonymousAJ

11 ай бұрын

The old school labor commies are becoming increasingly reasonable as mainline leftism leaves them behind

@peterwebb8732

11 ай бұрын

The problem is that Socialism aims to BE the establishment. They may use different derogatory terms, but ultimately they do what racists do…. which is to judge people according to their identity-group membership.

@wigbreak1987

11 ай бұрын

ironically the left now calls these people right wing...

@eemoogee160

11 ай бұрын

​@@peterwebb8732I'm happy to focus on class.

@gruunt4064

11 ай бұрын

the Left are naturally judgemental and intolerant, we now have a load of middle class Lefties who now believe they are morally superior and have great delight in calling Tories scum even though the Conservative party aren't even conservative anymore. you even see it on dating apps where its not unusual to see no Tories, no bigots, no racists, these people aee living in a bubble and genuinely believe this about conservatives, thry don't realise they are talking about their workmate, their grandparents, their neighbour

I tend to find that those who haven't had their livelihood threatened by "woke" institutions don't really see it as a big problem. Wonder why that is?

@itssoezy

3 ай бұрын

I think he's just old school and unaware of it

@AndyMann-vs3sf

2 ай бұрын

No such thing as woke institution.

What a pleasure to see all of you engaged in conversation. Please explore all three of you working together in the future . Your different political views are well known, yet your ability to talk with each other made this a very enjoyable podcast.

@jonbaxter2254

11 ай бұрын

I have always said people from different views can be cordial with each other as individuals. It's when they have great numbers that the issues start.

@scooby1992

10 ай бұрын

Agreeing to disagree and respecting other people's views used to be much more popular . Things have become so divisive and polarising now and that is from folk on both the left and right .

Definitely get him back! and please get more 'Proper Old Left' guests, so that viewers can learn the difference between the 'Real Left' and the new 'Woke Identity Left'

@MajorVanBloodnok

11 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. Except the woke aren’t left. They’re a fifth column, supported by every corporation, who like nothing more than to divide and rule.

@eemoogee160

11 ай бұрын

Here here!

@MrRowntree27

11 ай бұрын

The 'real left'... Sounds like the 'No true scotsman fallacy' to me. Who elected you the ultimate arbiter of what is and isn't leftism?

@foxtrotjulietbravo5536

11 ай бұрын

Hear-hear!

@MajorVanBloodnok

11 ай бұрын

@@MrRowntree27 despite your hysterical hyperbole, the ‘left’ is a clearly defined term, or at least would be if people bothered to look it up.. it’s the politics representing the interests of the people, particularly counterposing the interests of the ruling class, or reactionary forces. Therefore anything that divides the people, benefits or detracts from one group, helping the ruling class, cannot be considered left.

We think he's brilliant! Love his 'Mark Steel's in Town' and 'The Mark Steel Lectures' shows - hilarious! It'll be interesting to hear his views on what's happened to the left in recent years.

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

Sounds as though Mark steel is still a true leftie and not a closet tory snob like Russell kane who seems to think culture only happens among the middle and upper classes.

@cornishhh

11 ай бұрын

Atilla the Stockbroker.

@GillianMorrison

11 ай бұрын

His lecture on Thomas Paine was so artfully done, the pathos had me laughing then crying. He's brilliant

@crowhillian58

5 ай бұрын

I'm just working my way through all the 'In Town' ' series, bloody brilliant. 😂

A wonderful interview. Mark is such a lefty but, in the true sense. He BELIEVES what he is saying and is not just adhering to tropes. He has clearly thought long and hard about his views. His willingness to engage in political discussion whilst defending his viewpoints makes this abundantly clear. This is the kind of political animal that is needed on all sides. Great work Francis and KK, keep it up.

@notreallydavid

11 ай бұрын

He's a splendid fella, who wants to find something to like in everybody. He wants people's lives to get better; he's not interested in cramming society into a particular shape that suits him. Too many people on the left and the right want to transform the place in some way and don't give a crap about the people in it.

@Si_Mondo

11 ай бұрын

"USSR wasn't real Socialism," is a horse that was long flogged to death; and it was wrong when the flogging started.

@davidl9771

11 ай бұрын

I can respect an old school lefty. At least they don't hate the working class

@charlytaylor1748

11 ай бұрын

It's my only criterion now for politicians and 'public figures' - do they actually believe what they're saying; whether I believe it or not. Mr Steel is very funny, too

@notreallydavid

11 ай бұрын

@@charlytaylor1748 It's a good test question, c, but it needs a follow-up: 'If they're sincere, are they sane and decent, or wicked and mad?' The Taliban certainly Mean It - and that's the problem. I think Mark likes almost everybody, and wants everyone to be OK - rightly or wrongly he sees a democratic socialist political program as the way to achieve this (again, just my surmise). Conversely, there are people on the left and the right who don't particularly like the ordinary person, and just want to make society look like it ought to (in their enlightened view) by extensive tethering and pruning. This isn't Mark, and good for him. That's more than enough of me. All best.

Superb stuff, lads. One of the best interviews you've done. Mark is a proper old-school lefty - genuinely cares for people, and yet is willing to listen to other arguments. I'm so annoyed that much of the left have gone away from his way of thinking.

@jonbaxter2254

11 ай бұрын

He is terribly down to earth. It's good to see.

@atheosmonde

11 ай бұрын

He also believes racism is a meaningful thing, and that a nazi is not worth saving, and yet, many examples from people better than him who tried and had success.

@jonbaxter2254

11 ай бұрын

@@atheosmonde a Nazi isn't worth saving, wyta?

@adam5977

11 ай бұрын

The problem Mark is stuck in thinking that all lefties are still like him, in the 80's Solidarity for the workers mode. All his examples of wrongness were framed as right wingers. He even characterized Cyclists attacking him as right wingers i.e Barry with his Union Jack flag when I guarantee that most not if not every cyclist piling on him on twitter were left Wing Progressives. And I had to laugh when he said the woke have no institutional power anywhere, even in the comedy world. The guys nearly choked. Even Kk had to politely offer a reality check. He believes the woke are all entirely correct and just standing up to bigots and so anyone standing up to them must be Racist bigots. The only concession he made was that their tactics might be wrong, but even then he framed it as really the right's fault for not listening and behaving properly i.e being left wing. It's not that his criticisms of the right don't have merit, it's that he can't see that any of the left could possibly be just as wrong and worthy of criticism.

@niallodwyer2755

11 ай бұрын

@@adam5977 His comparison of the 1980's alternative comedy scene with Beethoven pretty much set up the tone of the interview. Unfortunately, he is a deluded man, and he will always be this way because he will forever live in a world of 'what if?'

I generally respect Mark Steel. I have read one of his books, I am of the left, at least economically, though I often disagree with his stances. I am glad TN gave him this platform, I do not agree with him on a lot, but he will actually defend them against critics. Good on him.

Konstantin: "I don't want you to slam the woke"... Francis: "You can if you want to!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@AndyMann-vs3sf

2 ай бұрын

Hilarious.

Mark Steele is a good bloke. He defends Eddie Izzard's rights to use women's spaces and also Kathleen Stock's right to a public stage. Unfortunately, that sums up nice blokes everywhere. There's a tension between those rights...and look who loses out! Time for the nice blokes to do the research!

@Wolf-zp5iw

10 ай бұрын

Anyone who advocates for Eddie Izzard in woman's spaces is not a good person. He isn't a women and women have a right to spaces without men.

@thadgb2485

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely the old fair liberal of years ago has led us to these crazy places with indifference.

@CT99234

9 ай бұрын

'Do the research' is always a red flag.

@janerogers190

9 ай бұрын

@Conal792 I don't disagree. I think I was being generous. He almost certainly has. His attempt to dodge a bullet from either side is more likely to mean that he's avoiding controversy. Women like me are so fed up of the lack of support from left-wing men. So often they fail us. They don't really care if men are incarcerated with women. Or if Austin Killip takes another trophy. Women are expendable.

@MannyJazzcats

5 күн бұрын

And what the right has lost is basically respect for human beings,Enoch Powell and Michael Foot were good friends outside of their political standings.

Kudos for getting mark on. Been a fan of his for years. He's brilliant.

I really enjoyed Mark’s talk. His thought process is very familiar to my brain.

Have always loved Mark Steel since seeing him on the 1980s cabaret comedy circuit. However, he has recently written in the Observer about wokeism and cancel culture being a right wing fiction and a distraction. I can't find the article now but give him some hard questions please.

@DavidHeffron78

11 ай бұрын

Well, he is correct. Take for example the Tory focus on small-boats or their culture war stuff. It's because the real things that happen - the failure of Brexit, the disastrous handling of COVID, the tanking economy - they're all things they don't want to talk about because it's their fault.

@bernmahan1162

11 ай бұрын

@@DavidHeffron78 Yes the Tories seize on any distraction so as not to deal with real issues, I know. That doesn't mean that young kids should be taught there are multiple gender options, that being "queer" (in the Queer Studies sense) is liberating or that "white" people have to feel guilty about their genetics. That is all bullshit imported from US academia. The right wing use intersectionality etc as a distraction but it is not a fiction. Ps I am no supporter of DeSantis and his cronies, far from it!

@Roberto14091989

11 ай бұрын

But it's mostly true. Although I disagree that wokeism is a creation of the right, its flags are indeed just dumb fantasies of the left, and "combating" wokeism is very, very far from being a priority. The right position in it's regard is a total waste of time and the urgency they attribute to it is, indeed, fictional.

@robertryan6782

11 ай бұрын

​@@DavidHeffron78Spot on, David.

@benfisher1376

11 ай бұрын

It's not a fiction when you hear it coming out of left wing people's mouths though! Some of the hard left are mad on social issues.

Being a Brickie's mate, I remember being told to lift a large cement bag like " a n***er off yer missus" in 1978. Common terminology at the time.. Pensioner now.

This was great. Just very human, heaps of empathy except for the intolerance for cushions! Very much enjoyed it.

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

And a great reminder that what is now defined as woke was introduced for genuinely good reasons and how much progress has been made in terms of civil partnerships and just general respect for others. That anecdote about the two black men in his place of work was shocking enough but the fact that it wasnt out of the ordinary shows why intervention was needed. I'm similar in age to mark but I never encountered anything like that. Must have been lucky I guess

I used to really enjoy watching Mark on 'Have I Got News For You' back in the 90's & 00's. I never fully agreed with everything he said but he always had that passion for the working man, something the New Skool Lefties could do with getting their heads around. Good stuff KK & FF.

@matthewstone1362

10 ай бұрын

"The working man" is gradually being relegated to the "underclass".

I like Mark Steel. He always has something interesting to say.

Something very reassuring about this sometimes awkward, but real, funny , kind , honest, a willingness to actually listen with no agenda chat from Mark. I miss the old left I really do. made me happy this. what a lovely man x

I'm a socialist because I can't hold a job.

Can you get James Corden ‘why I’m an arse’

Sending Mark a virtual hug from me in 🇬🇧. Get well soon ♥️♥️

I'm not in the same political camp as Mark but I understand where he is coming from at least on some levels. Alwaysd willing to discuss things, and as Keynes said change my mind if the facts change. Throughly recommend Mark Steel in Town on Radio 4. Very good at leg pulling the locals and making them and me laugh.

They gave him an easy time imho.

The trade unions' problem isn't that they have too little economic power. Their problem is they don't know economics, or they only know socialist economics, which isn't an economics based on human nature. They would do better to abandon socialism and figure out their true economic power. The truth is labor's only powers are its scarcity and its mobility. Supply and demand, baby. Immigration is not labor's friend.

Totally agree with him about the importance of talking to the other side and trying to win them over. I live in the United States and the left and right are constantly at each other’s throats, with no room for discussion. We are at a stalemate and seems like nothing is getting done. I am a leftist myself but am always willing to give the other side room to talk about their ideas and share my own in a respectful manner. Open dialogue is so important.

He is just a decent man with a good heart.

@anonymousAJ

11 ай бұрын

Socialists are lying snakes who imagine that theft is compassion

@mogznwaz

11 ай бұрын

Decent people fall for socialism because it ‘feels nice’ but it always ends up with the same result. Totalitarianism and insanity.

@peterwebb8732

11 ай бұрын

Decent men take a good hard look at how the results of their ideas affect people. Real people. Those who don’t, are utopianists, caring more about their ideas than the people they claim to care for.

Interesting booking, it'll be nice to hear something different (even if I'm unlikely to be swayed, it's good to hear from people you disagree with that aren't screeching like a banshee and he's had a fairly respectable career on the UK comedy scene)

My 1 Mark Steel anecdote. (Before I knew he was a Radio 4 job for lifer, touring backwater tish holes to big them up) I was sitting on a train pulling into the stop before mine, (grim Northern Town) when I noticed Mark Steel, no longer blocked in by standing commuters, sat diagonally, and completely out of context. I stared at him with a just why here? look on my face for way toooo loooong. he thought it was hilarious. I was thinking he was on that panel show just last night but no one can see him, in this setting.... mindblowing. Props to him that he didn't speak, it was a long surreal moment.

Since 1991 55% of the UK population growth has come from immigration, Mark. British people lose their jobs when migrants take over their hotel. There are homeless chefs here working in the day for Chinese tourists and not having a roof over their head at night. There are tonnes of empty properties in the capital owned by foreigners who, at best, see it as an "asset" and at worse, a money laundering scheme. Address the issues before the pendulum swings back hard.

@WaaDoku

11 ай бұрын

Really afraid of what that might look like. The "pendulum swinging back"...

@WaaDoku

11 ай бұрын

@scoobihu1090 Not at all obvious to me. Please do tell.

@WaaDoku

11 ай бұрын

@scoobihu1090 Oh, I thought you already had something more detailed in mind. I think we already have tribalism and race based conflict now. It can still get worse though...

@manfrombritain6816

11 ай бұрын

I think you're exactly right. competition for resources keeps intensifying and ultimately that will result in tribalism. one look at history confirms this as basically inevitable, and culture/race/ideology are the biggest separators. it's gonna be ugly

@Baud2Bits

11 ай бұрын

So everything was fine before 1991? Things have gradually got worse since 1991? This Us and Them mentality is precisely what those who pocket the produce of your labours love to see. Workers blaming each other while the mill owners fleece them still makes me chuckle after all these years. The bankers stole your money and destroyed the economy. The politicians pass the laws which fatten their stock portfolios. Stop blaming your fellow worker and educate yourself as to where the problem with capitalism lies.

Yeah, I’m not a professional either but Mark is most definitely ADHD. Hard to keep up with him sometimes…he’s forever seeing a metaphorical “squirrel “ and going off on tangents. I wonder if you had an infinite amount of time, how long it would take for him to finally wind down. A loooong time I’m thinking.

You missed "champagne" from the title...

@dolphin069

11 ай бұрын

Also Dave Spart & Khunt.

I would love to see more interviews with people on the left, otherwise it just becomes a bit of an echo-chamber like everything else

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

I agree but Konstantin has previously said that those considered to be on the left are reluctant to appear on their channel

@grannyannie2948

11 ай бұрын

​@@catscan2022Rarely do the left appear anywhere. They have nothing to say anymore, except personal attacks on those who disagree

@mrror8933

11 ай бұрын

The mainstream media is an echo chamber for the Left. I don't see why media outlets that don't espouse leftists' views should hand them an olive branch, they wouldn't reciprocate.

@fiveleavesleft6521

11 ай бұрын

They won't come on. Many of them do not agree with open dialogue.

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

@@fiveleavesleft6521 the authoritarian extreme left won't but then again the extreme right don't appear on this channel either which I suspect is more to do with the trig boys not really wanting them on the show

I somehow think that KK did not enjoy this interview as much as FF did. KK can be difficult to read but there were times he did look unimpressed and had rapid hand and head movements which indicated he wanted Mark to "get on with it"

@DJRockford83

11 ай бұрын

Mark said absolutely nothing of substance for the entire interview. Gets asked about freedom of speech and goes on about flipping housing and gays FFS.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! . This has driven me mad, being of working class this so called "new leftism" is what I would call middle class virtue signalling. Like you I feel that people should be heard and concerns adressed. On hot topics like immigration there are real issues ; issues that predominantely affects the working class and the poor, yet these people refuse to listen; instead they look down on people who they consider "uneducated", "white trash" or the infamous term used to describe Trump supporters (I am not American and dislike him severely); "Deplorables"... Instead we are introduced to fringe ideas like "Queer theory" and "Gender Ideology" sprung out of North America. Infused with commercialism and a hint of American Exceptionalism; deflective non-issues for the struggling. Patronizing the working class and the poor alike. There's a whole political movement of people who act like recent Uni. Graduates who suddenly thinks they know it all. Fk. it.

@eskarinablack4830

10 ай бұрын

👏

@seriousoldman8997

10 ай бұрын

Spot on mate.

@James_36

10 ай бұрын

the left wing has always been controlled by elites lol - there is nothing such thing as working class left creations, the working class left were and are the lemmings of the elite left

@matthewstone1362

10 ай бұрын

Well said. Don't forget about state and corporate "pink washing". You can exploit the people, bomb and murder people, pollute to your hearts content as long as you have a rainbow flag and pride march.

Good friday was Blair WALKING OVER MO MOLAM'S CORPSE to get credit

The left used to act less like early fascists.

@DavidHeffron78

11 ай бұрын

Really, what fascist stuff is the left up to?

@barboglesby2162

11 ай бұрын

@DavidHeffron78 You must be severely out of touch.

@anonymousAJ

11 ай бұрын

​@@DavidHeffron78what do you mean by fascism? If you mean militarism: supporting literal Nazis in Ukraine If you mean nation-state socialism (Mussolini's fascism): that's the left's core ideology (ahead even of communism) If you mean establishing a bonkers state religion with its own flags everywhere: the gay/woke movement seems to qualify If you mean creating ghettos for undesirables, movement controls, papers please: the corvid and 15 minute city regimes both seem to qualify

@offshoretomorrow3346

11 ай бұрын

Debanking, silencing and destroying dissent - while imposing radical psychopathic, racist ideology which noone has voted for - because they JUST NOW that power is theirs by right.

@dai19721

11 ай бұрын

​@@DavidHeffron78Tony Blair...wmd.

All I want is a party for the working class. That is all.

Great guest! I am glad to hear some different perspectives on your show. Keep up the great interviews!

Member of the socialist workers party, but he’s got some issues with the ‘far left’!

Mark was very influential in turning me away from the sneering look down their nose left

Great guest, great interview. Someone who has convictions and is never afraid to debate them.

Saw Mark perform years ago in Birmingham. He was hilarious, it’s good to see him again.

Mark is a really nice guy, there is a very, very nice audio recording of him and Jeremy Harding, talking and reminiscing, and although they are left-wing, especially Jeremy, they are quite human, reasonable, and funny, I would recommend it.

How is Britain going to survive on a service economy? The chicken will come home to roost soon

Great chat thankyou and Mark Steel is a top bloke.

Looking forward to the full interview.

My favourite comedian. I listen to everything he does and literally laugh out loud when out and about because I have the podcast/show in my ear.

Really delighted to see Mark on this.

Really enjoyed this! Followed mark for years and he’s always good!

It is not generally know that Clement Attlee (Labour) closed 101 Pits between 1947 & 1951! In 1921 Black Friday destroyed the ‘triple alliance’ of miners, transport workers and railwaymen, created in 1914 to express and reinforce working-class solidarity.

My favourite programme for many years, was The New Quiz on Radio 4. The best episodes were always when Mark Steel and the terribly missed Jeremy Hardy were on. Also Linda Smith - way back in the day. Proof, if it were needed, it's possible to be a socially conscious lefty, while being irreverent and not taking yourself too seriously. And, crucially - also funny. I find it mad how many people seem to read about his politics and react to him, as though they have never bothered to listen to any of the actual words he actually says... Interestingly, both from the left and the right. A strange time to engage with politics. Also, Steel's WTF podcast is great value.

Good one this guys. If all lefties were like Mark, there’d be no hope for us. I’ve met him myself a few years ago; He’s a bright bright guy and if Labour fielded more candidates like him and fewer like Eddie Izzard, they would have a good chance of winning their core back. But hey, what do we know?

Mark steels visiting towns show was great, Inverness, Stockport, all sorts of places.

I loved the monologues he used to do in the style of an old lefty labour politician. really funny!!!

Underwhelmed

Thoroughly enjoyed this interview, only ever seen his sketches, so really enjoyed this sit down. Well done all, again really enjoyed this interview, placed a new light on Mr. Steel 👍

Socialism/Leftism has become more akin to just telling yourself something pretty despite reality.

@Si_Mondo

11 ай бұрын

It was always that....

I was expecting to disagree with this guy but he had some good points. Thank you for having left and right guests on, and thank you for trying to be impartial (even if you're not on Russia KK!!) Really love Triggernometory!

Great interview with such a lovely bloke.

Mark Steel: SOLID. Thanks.

Great interview chaps. I really enjoyed it.

An average comedian who benefits financially from BBC patronage precisely because of his politics. It was interesting that he named left wing Frankie Boyle but couldn't name a "right wing" comedian. I wonder why? because they were all cancelled by chance? by the organisations you work for?

Reid Fleming, world's toughest milkman

The losing side of the culture war always appeals to people's better natures. They have to. Whoever's about to lose their seat at the table is suddenly very vocal about protecting *anyone else's* seat.

@OrwellsHousecat

11 ай бұрын

🎯

Hell, NO!.. no labor, no Torries

Great to see that people can get along fine - as long as they avoid all the important and contentious issues. (Trans v women's rights in particular, beautifully sidestepped, guys)

@grannyannie2948

11 ай бұрын

I was irked by the claim that noticing a disproportionate ethnic representation in crime is racist. The issue should be is it true?

@BrianMcGuirkBMG

11 ай бұрын

Only the right tries to make people worry about what is an issue for a tiny minority. If you're looking for a definition of a woman and you're old enough to have had that talk with your parents, we can't help you.

Not a good interview sry lads - I used to like Mark Steel and even saw him live but why wasn't he asked about how he joined and then left the Socialist Workers Party and what he learned from that? How was he able to skirt (if that's the right word!) the issue of Eddie Izzard claiming to be 'true trans' and a woman?

Loved that, thanks!

"Who do I think I am?" by Mark Steel is a fantastic piece!

I’ve always liked Mark Steel, but he’s got a lot more patience with The Woke than I do. He should be canonised. 🤣

Brilliant.....please bring him back for interview #2

What a great Geordie accent!

Impressed by how balanced and reasonable Mark comes off here.

@peteratkinson922

10 ай бұрын

Yes. Mellowing?

My run ins back in the day tell different; out selling Living Marxism the Socialist Worker types were proud Stalinists and used to slag us off as Leninists. Socialist Worker liked heavy state control.

By lies, propaganda, platitudes and threats yes. The worst kind of people.

Great interview 👍 So many great points - you’ve got to persuade people to make changes stick, and you’ve got to like and engage with people if you want to persuade them. Very little of that going on from any side

@ally11488

10 ай бұрын

To be honest though, I'm not sure where these 'civilised' chats get us. I still think the two Triggernometry hosts are wankers.

Having watched it, I didn't think Mark did himself Justice. Great channel, you gave him a proper chance.

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

That's the difference between being a true brit as opposed to Americans who like to overegg the pudding 😆 Although to be fair I was surprised at how modest bill burr came across in his talk on this channel. M

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

@scoobihu1090 refreshingly honest I would say. There's an awful lot of people in the media who wouldn't admit to being terrible/incompetent at their day job. They would no doubt make up some arty farty nonsense about how the stage was their one true vocation and they never wanted to do anything else

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

@scoobihu1090 "he still thinks he's right"? About what?

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

@scoobihu1090 who's entitled to his views even if you disagree with those views. Why insult him just because he doesn't have the same views as yourself?

I enjoyed his comedy on the BBC. He was a serious lefty but original and funny. Cant get away with that now

The labour party he is talking about in the past is not today's labour.... Would he be a socialist if he was grafting 6 days a week....its easy being a socialist when you don't have to.

@tristan_mcdonald

10 ай бұрын

Would anyone be a capitalist if they're grafting 6 days a week? Doing that for a paltry wage had me so ready for a revolution in the past

@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765

10 ай бұрын

@@tristan_mcdonald well yeah, you are working, grafting up the greasy promotional pole.... not getting shit handed to you... Capitalism is a great thing if you graft for it.....

@tristan_mcdonald

10 ай бұрын

@@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765 I don't agree. I'm pretty much the capitalist wet dream of coming from a poor background, "grafting" exploitative, miserable jobs for decades, and now being in the top 5% of salaries, but I'd still MUCH rather live in a society based on cooperation and support where everyone has their needs met than one in which it's basically battle royale amongst the workers to try and become one of the few who can live in comfort and dignity.

@unitedkingdomoffiveeyes9765

10 ай бұрын

The world you would like doesn't and will not exist because humans lie, are very sneaky and selfish... Yes, a boss of a company can also be selfish but you know exactly what they are, and at least you can aim for his position and make it better.. A socialist or communist society doesn't allow you to do that IF you are poor you stay poor....and if you are rich you're dead. I don't want free stuff I want to work for it.

Wow. Disbelief that Mark Steel should join you. Yet there he is.

So funny - great conversation chaps.

I was in Mark's SWP branch in Croydon, very personable guy. listening to him reminds me that we both owe a lot to the SWP for a political education in good class politics. I do think class has come back in the political arena with bus, train, teachers, nurses and Amazon workers on strike, let's hope this movement grows.

@jujutrini8412

3 күн бұрын

That’s what this country needs. I am starting to think that one of the main reasons why the Tories were so enthusiastic about bringing so many immigrants to work in the NHS was to put a block on the working class being able to have this strong idea of class consciousness. I had a stay in hospital a little while ago and got close to a few of the nurses who were telling me some of their woes. I asked one if she was in a union. She was not. In fact didn’t even seem to know if she was allowed to join one. I explained to her how one particular problem she was having could be solved by a union. I had to explain all about how unions work in this country and how easy it was for her to join. After that I made it my business to talk to all of the nurses who liked chatting with me the positive points of joining a union. When I looked it up foreign born workers are much less likely to join unions. There needs to be a programme of educating people about this type of thing.

I’m prepared to listen to the arguments but I don’t think I’m going to be persuaded somehow…

0:00: 🎙 Mark Steele, a well-known British comedian, discusses his journey into stand-up comedy in the 1980s and the cultural shift in the industry. 7:45: 🎭 The comedy circuit in the 1980s was driven by a different type of cabaret act that was exciting and bonkers, rather than being solely focused on politics or social issues. 15:46: 🗣 The speaker reflects on their experiences engaging with the far left and emphasizes the importance of humor, engagement, and finding common ground when discussing political issues. 23:31: 😡 X expresses anger and a sense of injustice towards the dominant ideas in society. 31:49: 📚 Mark discusses how his political leanings were influenced by growing up under Thatcher and the sense of collective power working-class people had in the past. 39:26: 🗣 The world is not run by the woke, but there are institutions and individuals who lean in that direction. 47:17: 😕 The speaker believes that while some institutions may be 'woke', the main argument of the left should focus on issues like housing and rent, rather than just racism and sexism. They also express frustration with the behavior of some people on the left. 56:18: 🗣 The speaker discusses the problems with the Corbyn project and the dismissive attitude towards the media, but expresses skepticism about any real change happening with an incoming Labour government. 1:07:17: 😊 Mark Steele talks about his stand-up career and the importance of enjoying the performance. 1:12:00: 🗣 Mark talks about his experience performing in Gibraltar and the importance of genuinely liking people when trying to make a change in the world. Recap by Tammy AI

Mark Steel?? I see what you've done here, just like Eight Out Of Ten Cats Does Countdown we now have Triggernometry Does The Antiques Roadshow. I love a bit of quaint 1970s style class warfare!

Get Alexei Sayle on!

The whole first 10 minutes was basically recognizing the obsolescence of the left-right paradigm, and a tacit promotion of the “political compass” model. These days it’s obvious that the left/right axis is nowhere near as important as the libertarian/authoritarian axis. And that’s what Mark is talking about at the beginning… “the left’s” gradual shift from persuasive arguments to “toe the line or you’re out of the club.”

In the first five minutes I thought 'this sounds familiar, this guy got ADHD?' definitely does

Great hearing Mark, but he is very wrong saying that the woke ideology isn't dominating the western world at the moment. Yes, Trump was elected, but that was by the people and not the media, big tech, Hollywood, the instutions or the establishment, which were and are overwhelmingly opposed to him. In this country the BBC, the vast majority of all broadcast media, the universities and education sector, the civil service, the armed forces, the National Trust, British Musuems, the Police, the NHS, most private corporations, supermarkets, most financial institutions including the Bank of England, the Church of England and large parts of the judiciary are *all* captured by the extremely divisive identify politics ("woke") ideology.

@artofsam

10 ай бұрын

I think he meant it in the sense that they are not controlling legislation or political decision making, that is still very much being done by politicians. But you are absolutely right in that they are influencing their decision making and that is the problem, those who can actually make political decisions are giving in and listening to this ideology because what we now define as 'woke' has become the dominant voice exacerbated by social media. The problem is that there is no real voice for the majority because its been hijacked by the woke, so yet again it is the working classes that will suffer.

@kr050

10 ай бұрын

What is the woke ideology?

@alexellis856

10 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ymqt25pxpK-9nMo.html&vl=en-GB

@jameswarren2222

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm also intrigued what you think the woke ideology is

@QuercusRobur44

10 ай бұрын

@@kr050 "Woke" encompasses many definitions, whether a western evolution of marxism, a devisive pseudo-religious devotion to identity politics, or a puritanical, extremist version of political correctness. But really it is all of these things.

I was working in London from the mid seventies to the 90's , there were plenty of Gay people were working around me and so what ?...no one cared...it's only lately there's so much noise about it

Great conversation 👍

I can relate to the milk story! When I was young, I would space out things at work A LOT. It was tough. I just didn't care. At the same time, I had to pay my bills. What a nightmare those days were. chuckle... it's a miracle some of us make it...

always excellent!!!

Mark saying a Poet on the circuit in the 1980's mmm Eh John Cooper Clark:- By the '80s, anything to do with punk was perceived as rancid. Me being known as the 'punk poet' meant my work and I plummeted.

@dandare1001

22 күн бұрын

There was also John Hegley, and Pam Ayres (maybe she was the 70s?). You were a poet? Is there any footage of you? JCC was and still is great. I still have his book "10 years in an open-necked shirt".

around 17 mins he basically describes the subversive "long march through the institutions" lol

… because I have no clue about economy!

@rbrooks2007

11 ай бұрын

Capitalism is about stealing from the poor. If Jesus was a Capitalist he would have charged for each portion of bread and fish and if they couldn't afford it he'd say "fuck off!" As someone once said "If hard work and money worked then every African woman would be a millionaire."

@catscan2022

11 ай бұрын

Because I am not a heartless bustard who thinks if people are poor they're nothing but scum and deserve to be poor?

@peterhardie4151

10 ай бұрын

We had right wing economics since Thatcher and Reagan and it's been a disaster.

There's a difference between immigrating into a country because you appreciate the culture and aspire to the lifestyle as opposed to importing values and a culture at odds with the existing culture with the intention of replacing it 🤔🤫

@ally11488

10 ай бұрын

Nothing new about that. If you're English you probably haven't a clue about bigotry in the West of Scotland.

@markriding1267

10 ай бұрын

@@ally11488 as an Englishman I apologise profusely for introducing salad vegetables to the Scots and thereby demeaning and irrevocably changing the culture 😉

@ally11488

10 ай бұрын

@@markriding1267 Nice attempt at a joke, and I'd chuck some tumbleweed if I was in your presence. Did you know the French refer to homosexuality as "The English disease"?

@markriding1267

10 ай бұрын

@@ally11488 when it comes to the French to be fair that was before they heard an Edinburgh accent 🤔