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@simplegarak

7 ай бұрын

Ok, I must admit a bit of amusement that you used "viral" in the title and then went on to discuss virology in the vid. Nice touch there. 😉

@bthemedia

7 ай бұрын

@@simplegaraksurprised though he’s not aware C19 was most likely not natural in origin… paper is called: “Unnaturalness in the Evolution Process of the SARS-CoV-2 variants and the possibility of deliberate natural selection.” By Japanese Professors Atsuki Tanaka and Takayuki Miyazawa of Osaka Medical University and Kyoto University.

@cctv5348

7 ай бұрын

Ye like Sam and then rate his intellect higher than it stands on its own merit. He has a history of saying things under no duress to express himself. Here is a very fair and honest paraphrasing of his exact words from a friendly enough interview article. Giving himself a choice via a "magic wand" he'd rid the world of religion over rape. These are his opinions and preferences.

@kis.stupid

7 ай бұрын

Don't try to explain or defend it he dug his own hole. Sam was just a cocky deranged guy still talking down from an ivory throne after being knocked off multiple times. "Everyone else is confused" after clearly deranged statements. His comeback attitude: "Everyone else is confused". Instead of any humility or self reflection... As a European then not familiar with Sam, this was very clear for anyone, not just people holding in resentment.

@Brent-ln9bc

7 ай бұрын

Most on the the Center, the Right & the Internet gave companies, like Bud Light, people like Sam Harris the benefit of the doubt & separated the art from the artist & years. All the while people like James Lindsey were trying to warn everyone: "This is not a small group of individuals., or some compartmentalized belief. This is a Totalitarian Religious Cult, that fully infects mind, body & soul. Once infected, there little hope for people who adhere to this Cults ideology. Once an organization is infected, there is little hope for that organization." People are now are just starting to understanding & fight back.

A boycott is not the same as cancellation. Chris is conflating the two. One is a person choosing not to give an entity, business, money. The other is a person demanding the entity or person be stripped of the ability to do business, be employed, etc.

@NoNo-nr2xv

7 ай бұрын

This is the actual correct answer.

@charlestruppi7793

7 ай бұрын

Bingo!!

@KevinJDildonik

7 ай бұрын

If you want to boycott Bud for selling to international investors, and flipping off their core demo, cool. But everyone I know who stopped drinking Bud just went to Miller who aren't much better. And they did it because "I ain't no homo".

@michaelknight2897

7 ай бұрын

@@KevinJDildonik Its libertarian vs authoritarian. A boycott is liberation and cancellation is authoritarian. Motivation is largely irrelevant to me.

@whenpigsfly8178

7 ай бұрын

@@KevinJDildonik Maybe Bud shouldn't have gone for the ''homo'' angle in their advertising, then. Also, it's not like Dylan Mulvaney didn't have a history of acting like something he's not, in multiple ways.

Thanks for having me on the show, can't wait for the full episode to drop!

@McP1mpin

7 ай бұрын

Fantastic conversation so far so Konstantin. As a listener to both podcasts, it's refreshing to hear your views as the interviewee because as much as you push back as the interviewer, I can tell you hold back your opinions sometimes in order to be respectful of your guests time and views. Can't wait for the rest to drop and hope you have Chris on your podcast soon.

@triggerpod

7 ай бұрын

@@McP1mpin We've just interviewed Chris so watch this space!!!

@s3m4jno5w4d

7 ай бұрын

Same

@rjurban101

7 ай бұрын

Konstantin, I really do enjoy your perspective on a lot of these issues, but I often feel you are unwilling to admit, or see, the dangers the right poses. And you say that Sam overestimated the dangers of Trump. Seeing as how you grew up in a communist society, do you not view the attempted stealing of an election in a democratic nation worthy of the fear that Sam has expressed. This absolutely perplexes me. Most of us left of center knew exactly what he would do if he lost, as he had shown time and time again his lack of respect for our democratic norms and decency in general.Trump was a existential risk to the nation. This threat could not have been overestimated.

@isaachenry5692

7 ай бұрын

Very good discussion so far. Konstantin, I enjoyed how you disagreed with Chris, but were completely civil about it and in no way denigrated him. It's refreshing to see this sort of discourse. I love Chris, but I think he's misinterpreted where the Mulvaney decision came from as this was a leading marketing executive, not a low level intern. And it was a cumulation of dominos as mentioned. But it's also Dylan Mulvaney, who is a very polarizing individual for the perceptions of her being fake. A perfect storm, indeed.

I'm tired of people comparing the follies of a single person getting them in hot water to the blunders of multi-billion dollar corporations. These two are not the same and should NEVER be treated the same.

@ThatGuyNicho

7 ай бұрын

Yes. "Be compassionate to individuals and ruthless to institutions"

@si_w8201

7 ай бұрын

it's not even as if most of the time it's the 'follies of a single person getting them in hot water', a lot of the time it's simply bad actors taking things completely out of context.

@karenblair3630

6 ай бұрын

It's very hard to give a "mulligan" to a so called intellectual to speak something so outrageously ridiculous. There are so many so called "intellectual s" that have absolutely no common sense it's astonishing. It's as if they live in a bubble of their own making and closed minded attitude that is very repulsive. No personality whatsoever .

@nicholastorres44

Ай бұрын

You’re tired of individuals who mess up getting compared to groups of individuals who mess up? Why should they never be treated the same if the principle human flaw is the same? Doing that comparison is like the essence of humans learning from mistakes and forming better governance over society. LOL NEVER COMPARE THEM our else my heart will bleed

Chief Marketing Officer here - that wasnt just "some intern". That went through execs and they messed up.

Bud Light was just the tipping point. I don’t drink beer but I think people were also more upset about the insulting demeanor and comments by the female exec along with the Dillon thing, and this controversy also made a lot of people realize/learn that Budweiser was no longer American owned. I don’t think they will ever come back from this.

@charlestruppi7793

7 ай бұрын

Yes, people are tired of companies dismissing them. I watch NFL football on Sundays and 99% of the commercials are anti-man and pro-women. Meanwhile 95% of the audience is male and most of the married males in that group are actively nagged by their wives for actually watching NFL. Yet the adverts spit in our faces as well. WTF?!?

@korepochimo

7 ай бұрын

It was really her derision of the main customer base. There are tons of drinking options, why would I go out of my way to snag one where the exec went viral for hating on their customers?

@KevinJDildonik

7 ай бұрын

If you want to say, Bud isn't American owned and they made a huge marketing mistake not knowing their core demo. Okay. If the only reason you think this is "they sold out to the quars". Grow up. I'm in an area where literally every redneck is suddenly drinking Miller - and Miller was bought by Molson in Canada (officially labeled as co-ownership as Molson Coors). So is this about Murka? Or is it about ew gay.

@toddtheisen8386

7 ай бұрын

Still the #2 selling beer in the US. Recover from what?

@rg7535

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@toddtheisen8386I see you have no experience in large businesses. Let me explain. A company like Budweiser doesn’t just choose how much beer they make. They start with, say, enough demand to produce 1,000 cans a month for a profit of $1,000 when their factory has a max production capacity of 1,200 cans/month. If demand keeps increasing and they keep producing more to meet it, they’ll soon reach their capacity. At that point, they will need to open a new factory, but in order to do that, you need to invest hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars. Then, let’s say you produce now 2,000 cans/month, but then something happens and you lose half of your sales. At that point, just shutting down that factory which you no longer need isn’t enough, because you have all the money you invested to build it, plus storage, maintenance, employees, utilities and all the cost of that other factory you still need to pay for. So now, you sell the same 1,000 cans a month, but instead of making a 1,000 profit, you lose 500/month and you have a massive debt you need to pay. This is why they probably won’t make it out of it, and if they do, it’s only because they’re owned by a gigantic company that can afford to take the hit for enough time to allow them to recover. This will cost years of profit for their owner, which owns several other huge companies, that’s how bad it was. If they were an individual company, they would’ve already shut down.

It wasn't *just* the Dylan thing with Bud Light. It was the public comments by Alyssa Heinerscheid that were very critical and demeaning about the people to whom it was her job to sell beer. She called her customers "fratty and out of touch" with such sneering condescension that it alienated 25% of their customer base.

@Malepresentingtimelord

7 ай бұрын

@@erikhesjedal3569I think what Hillary did and continues to do is way creepier. Saying people need to be deprogrammed.. sheesh.

@scottsherman5262

7 ай бұрын

You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country.

@tubetorpedo

7 ай бұрын

​@@scottsherman5262 _"You've got that wrong, she said “Bud Light had […] a brand of fratty, kind of out-of-touch humor,” when talking about her edict to change the way Bud Light's marketing was geared so that they could attract more young drinkers. Never is when she called her customers fratty & out of touch. The truth, the actual objective truth, needs to start mattering again or we're in trouble as a country."_ I am not 100% sure did you meant that previously Bud Light's marketing was geared so they could attract more young drinkers, or did she want to change situation so BL marketing could be geared more towards younger people. But because Dylan Mulvaney's core audience is apparently kids and early teens, personally I would think it's quite immoral thing to do to try to affect kids when marketing alcohol or similarly harmful products. I also drink alcohol, so I have very little ideological problems with people enjoying drinks once in a while, I just say keep kids far a way from that as possible. Mulvaney's audience are mostly people who are not even allowed to even buy a drink in several years, so especially if you try to hire people whose audience consist mainly of literal kids, then starting point is not great even if she had not said anything at all.

@detltu

7 ай бұрын

I think the responses to the controversies are important. For Sam, Bud light, and whoever else. None of them when given the chance to respond made the situation any better or admitted they were wrong. To say they were judged on one comment is simply incorrect.

@thedalillama

7 ай бұрын

@@scottsherman5262 It's a distinction without a difference. Calling your brand "fratty and out of touch" and in need of change to resonate with different people is effectively the same as calling your current customers "fratty and out of touch". It's why Bud lost 30% of its revenue. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, did not hear things wrong.

The Bud Light incident was not just one thing, it was the tipping point of a constant onslaught of that idealogy. Bud Light, Target, Hershey, and tons of other companies have bent over backwards to appease this tiny minority while demeaning anyone who doesn't agree.

@Solaris501

7 ай бұрын

Gillette’s commercial about masculinity is another example.

@ai_com

7 ай бұрын

Do you know what bud light actually did

@Harlembrown

7 ай бұрын

Bingo! I was LITERALLY thinking your comment as Chris was speaking it. I'm so glad you wrote this.

@caseyjudson1062

7 ай бұрын

You might wanna look into ESG. These companies are not “appeasing a small minority of the woke” They were being shaken down financially, by an entity bigger than them. They have to appease, in order to get huge loans to opporate and run their business.

@minkowski4d

7 ай бұрын

Question is why do you care about it?

Chris you should look into ESG scores and how a lot of this ideology is forced upon large corporations in order to access credit lines. The ad with Dylan Mulvaney was no accident, they were trying to improve their ESG. ESG was not exactly the cause of the backlash against Bud Light but it is the reason these ideologies have become so pervasive with large corporations

I don’t understand why no one discusses ESG scores when they discuss Bud Light and WHY these companies are doing it. It’s because their investors are making them do it, not because they care about any cause.

@Jetes233

7 ай бұрын

New world order

@virtualalias

7 ай бұрын

Oddly enough, it might be inflation and the end of easy capital that ends up shutting off the tap on companies taking controversial stances on anything. Total addressable market includes people you don't personally agree with so, without a zero interest safety net, you literally can't afford to alienate people.

@MrBrndin

7 ай бұрын

Bingo. No businessmen give a crap about their customers opinions on anything. If I ran a brewery and all the Azof Uknan and thr Hammmmaz all held my beer up and said it was the best, I would say, "what are you gonna do, they must be thirsty?" Then change the subject.

@degreaseLLC

7 ай бұрын

Because the focus on ESG was highly exaggerated.

@malcolmpalmer535

7 ай бұрын

Part of the ESG scheme is bonuses for executives, there are direct financial benefits given to corporate bosses for implementing ESG programmes in their companies.

In Finland we live in arctic you know.. Probably not... but anyways, we have recently had in all advertisements about half of the people black. How strange that is considering the ethnicity here. It's like it's all decided somewhere. And mainly there is no white men left in ads.

@mikkojaatinen4508

7 ай бұрын

...just sayin

@cojo9102

7 ай бұрын

It is decided somewhere 😂. The agencies that make them. It's done purposely to agitate people's feelings

@violent_bebop9687

7 ай бұрын

It's a direct result of top town authoritarianism, dictatorship, propaganda, etc to the masses. Don't think for yourself, do as your told for our purpose. It's very blatant, isn't it?

@funkyfranx

7 ай бұрын

@@cojo9102Why would they want to agitate their customer base? I think part of the problem is they have vastly overestimated the popularity of woke politics. I watched an interview, it might have been on Triggernometry actually, where someone said that since the 2008 crash, corporations have been scrambling to make themselves seem ethical and caring, which is why all the desperate, shallow virtue signalling

@christophergreen4367

7 ай бұрын

​​​@@funkyfranxlogic is dead. I'm even scared of certain stocks. The corporate world has lost its common marketing sense. I own procter and gamble stock which if I remember correctly owns Gillette. Gillette makes a toxic masculinity commercial when there primary customers are men. WTF???? Maybe it was Johnson and Johnson. I can't keep up with the shit that pisses me off.

A quick recap on what Harris said would have gone a long way towards clarification of the discussion.

@jrd33

7 ай бұрын

It would have been useful for people who don't know the background but a waste of time for people who saw the interview. And a recap would introduce the dangers of selective editing and bias. Why not just watch the video and make your own judgement?

@GB-nu6ow

7 ай бұрын

basically a prime example of someone with trump derangement syndrome- one of the things Sam said was something along the lines of ' I wouldn't have cared if the laptop showed dead children in his basement 😳....' as trump is worse

@martenvanwezel9694

6 ай бұрын

@@jrd33 The point stands though, nobody, not even in this comment thread (that I can find) has linked to the actual source material. All I can discern it's about Sam considering Trump so next-level bad that there are very few things the 'Biden Clan' can do or could have done that would make Sam start voting for Trump over Biden.

@cjmllvv

6 ай бұрын

Sam harris clarified that his point is that the sins of hunter biden aren't the responsibility of Joe biden. Its not that he excuses hunter for anything

@AlmarWinfield

6 ай бұрын

@@martenvanwezel9694 Well, how much do you expect people to feed you information vrs you finding it yourself? The guy being interviewed is from the triggernomitry (Sp?) podcast and the guest in question is sam harris. So why not search on youtube Sam Harris trig... and bam you get the results you want. Some of the clips are 2min long, some are 8 so you get to pick how much context you want and if you want commentary. You could also search for the whole podcast interview if that's what you wanted too. KZread has issues with posting links much of the time - they often delete comments that do. So there is a good reason people aren't linking to the original. It's not hard to find the original clip though if you really want to and it doesn't even take much critical thinking as I displayed with my paragraph above.

Konstantin is a diamond in the rough. He is sincere, principled and only taps into criticism out of serious frustration and does not diminish people if he can help it. @samharris should be extremely appreciative and step back and think about his own preconceived notions.

@Rick_Cleland

7 ай бұрын

Like *_Aladdin?_*

@goodvibes-gy3jn

6 ай бұрын

Funny how you praise konstantin and then immediately do what you praised him for not doing. I’d suggest you re-examine your preconceived notions. I happen to like Konstantin, a lot more than his fans tbh.

@khammerly

4 ай бұрын

@@goodvibes-gy3jn I’m not claiming to be as gracious as Konstantin, I’m open to critique and direct especially on hypocrisy and inability to target and identify a coherent belief. That’s what the comments are literally for. Analysis. He was interviewing. Learn the difference

The bud light thing was more than Dylan Mulvaney. It was also the fact that the head of marketing came out and basically shit on the consumers of bud light. Calling them outdated and fratty. I don't have a degree in Marketing but Im sure insulting your customer base was not apart of the lesson plan to increase sells.

Giving grace to people is different than companies. People speak off the cuff and naturally make mistakes. It makes sense to forgive missteps and look at the whole person. Plus, criticism deeply affects (most) humans so that is generally enough. Monolith companies make intentional decisions to advertise and attract your business. If you don’t affect their bottom line, they don’t hear you.

@mljrotag6343

7 ай бұрын

Precisely.

@cac8793

7 ай бұрын

Exactly, Budlight is a corporate entity forcing a point of view on its customers, who only want beer, not a lecture on some bullshit niche issue. This is why people got upset with AB-inbev

@rdfarley8555

7 ай бұрын

i subscribe to your base point. however, harris didn't "speak off the cuff". these are his not-so-well thought out views on some subjects that are not reason based. and there's an underlying ugliness that he dons with an arrogance that has clearly been practiced in a mirror. that he mistakenly laid bare his baseness not understanding that it is not accepted as the science he attributes to it is just dumb and disconnected from the very things he would like us to believe he is about.

@whenpigsfly8178

7 ай бұрын

@@rdfarley8555 Yeah, Harris's previous video collection saved him from the full consequences of his unhinged outburst in a number of people's eyes like myself, because it illustrated that overall, he was a well-meaning person. But his usual ponderous chains of logic way of talking were also clearly shown by this video collection to have been thrown aside by irrational fear when it came to the subject of Trump.

@sept1ne

7 ай бұрын

Yeah these companies had the arrogance to spend millions pushing an insulting message to would-be customers and beyond. That's very different from someone discussing their honestly held opinions on a platform that viewers choose to engage with. Let's keep politics out of the supermarket please.

I simply love Konstantin Kisin - he is so centered in truth and yet so very kind in his deep understanding. He does cut through the crap. He does see the point and gets right to it. Thank you, Konstantine.

@jordane5150

7 ай бұрын

I haven't trusted him since Ukraine. Go watch the Unherd debate between him and Hitchens, or his Piers Morgan appearance with Jackson Hinkle. In the Unherd debate he unironically makes the claim that "nobody in Ukraine cares about the Donbas" (despite the fact that is what Ukraine are fighting to retake) and in the Hinkle appearance he just makes a bunch of ad hominem attacks, sneering at him in exactly the same way he criticises liberals for doing.

@CMA418

7 ай бұрын

He’s ok but he’s not immune to self-deception.

@jordane5150

7 ай бұрын

@@CMA418 It's not his self-deception that worries me it's his deception of other people. It's deliberate, not accidental.

@CMA418

7 ай бұрын

@@jordane5150 Intent is hard to prove. What makes you think it’s deliberate?

8:58. Konstantin is exactly right on the Bud Light situation. This was not like a comment taken out of context. The company explicitly and deliberately decided to poke its customers in the eye and tell them they were unworthy of their business. Chris falls back on an unprovable hypothetical to suggest that the public “would have been unfair.” If that’s true, then it shouldn’t be hard to find an actual provable example. I can’t think of one. Without that, it’s not the interesting point that Chris thinks it is.

@YourMomLivesHere

6 ай бұрын

This. Want to know how you can tell they severely misjudged their core audience and the ability of their product to simply reverse course? Look at the myriad ways they’ve tried to desperately claw their way back into even the most basic market gains- catering and pandering ridiculously to the audience that AH completely spat upon in her interviews. And yet, there’s not been the slightest uptick in stocks.

@neologian1783

5 ай бұрын

Quite right. Bud Light / A. B. (or at least the Ad exec they hired to represent them) went deliberately out of their way to suggest they had little but contempt for their core consumers. Their core consumers simply got the memo and reacted appropriately.

Chris considering she was the VP of marketing not some " small person " and was GIVEN Bud Light to keep it going from a man who had built up the brand for 20 years into the #1 beer. She had no respect for her customers, wanted to change it to appease her sensibilities and got burned to hell and back. You also forget that Busch had a window where they could have just apologized and walked it back and this is where you mess up Chris: The company had time to fix what happened, but as the weeks went by, the people who was their customers came to the conclusion that they was not going to do anything or give the usual half hearted approach (which did happen) and people was tired of it, so Busch paid for their "we will outlast the customers and they will come back". Also it was found out later on that this was to be a major push using Dylan as a face for the beer. They walked into that partnership with both eyes open, but didnt realize it would make people so mad that it was worth breaking habits which had been done for decades. Most Americans are forgiving on most issues and mistakes, but you have to own up to the mistake and walk it back. But doubling down on a mistake of that magnitude just cemented their fall.

@brianmcconnell3304

7 ай бұрын

bravo,couldnt of put it better,well said.

@makiss.2597

7 ай бұрын

You just described every exec and writer at Disney as well :) saw these kids coming up in the office 8 years ago and thought... this is not good.

@LordRykard9376

7 ай бұрын

Totally correct. Which begs the question: why haven't they walked it back? The answer is simple. Walking it back and apologizing would be a rebuke on the corpo-progressive agenda which would result in the largest shareholders flexing, pulling money and lines of credit. In about 18 months, the global economy is going to take a massive downturn and the corpor-progressive agenda will be mitigated.

@craigbritton1089

6 ай бұрын

No they turned on Bud within days.

Grace, space, good will...coherence and decency. We can definitely use more of these. Thank you both for helping to keep open discourse alive.

@iluvyunie

7 ай бұрын

except that konstantine is a hypocrite.. "Free speech free speech" "Don't you know I'm a russian jewish person how dare you say that" He had me fooled at first

@Laneous14

7 ай бұрын

Except one side is trying to ruin your life and imprison you and the other side talks about grace and finding common ground

Konstantin and Francis were beyond fair to Sam. Throughout their interview they constantly asked Sam if what he was saying was what he really meant and pointed out the weak points and Sam continued to double down.

@YourMomLivesHere

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely- KK & Francis were mostly slack-jawed at his wish to not only double down but quadruple down on the level of insanity in which he was willing to plummet. See I think what happened was, SH was a victim of his own narcissism- he lives in such an insular and reverberating echo chamber that he fully believed that what he was saying was the way everyone felt. Truly. This is why society has largely lost its way- and even the philosophers have fallen victim- there’s no ability for anyone to discuss, consider or even listen to another possible view without declaring feelings hurt, triggers pushed, and hurling the most obscene accusations at someone simply because they dare to question the salience of an insufferable position that defies logic but doing so in the most congenial, respectful manner. As an example- question the morality of removing reproductive abilities on a 14yo and you’re automatically labeled all kinds of ists and ics before you can utter a portion of a rational argument.

@EdwardsComment

6 ай бұрын

​@@YourMomLivesHereyes.

@goodvibes-gy3jn

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, they were fair. Which is why Sam continues to go on their podcast. He realizes the hosts are not responsible for the explosion that came from their audience in response to that clip they also didn’t make or spread. As to Sam doubling down, I believe he corrected a word he used inaccurately in that podcast. Other than that, no need to back track or back down when you are right about what you’re saying. So absolutely I’ll double down on trump being wrong in not committing to a peaceful transfer of power, as an example.

@timothydoyle6859

6 ай бұрын

@@goodvibes-gy3jn Sam doubled down on the idea that Trump was such a singular threat that everything was on the table to stop him.

@goodvibes-gy3jn

6 ай бұрын

@@timothydoyle6859 he never said everything was on the table to stop him. That’s just plainly false. He said it was a tough call wether you decide to publish widely an uncertain and possibly calculated attempt to smear Biden 10 days before an election. He said he wasn’t sure wether it made sense to wait 10 days to explore that story or wether to risk possible propaganda derailing the election.

Chris Williamson and Konstantin Kisin are rapidly becoming two of my favorite listens.They are both amazing interviewers. They listen closely and don't interrupt and at the same time they hold their interviewees accountable for the words they say. They don't let their personal bias interfere. Keep up the great work

I can respect what Chris was doing, almost playing devil's advocate with his questions, really pushing and pulling on Konstantin's thought process with his questions. I really enjoy your podcasts, Chris.

@michaelknight2897

7 ай бұрын

I enjoy his podcasts too. However, here is in conflating a boycott and cancellation. They are not the same thing. One is an individual choosing not to engage in a financial transaction with an entity (boycott), the other is a group of people making sure the entity cannot engage in ANY financial transactions (removed from payment services, fired, etc.). Therefore, criticisms of the later are FAR more valid than criticisms of the former as cancellation is authoritarian.

Konstantin is right. You can’t look at the individual events in a vacuum, whether it be Bud Light or Starfield. It’s the entire oeuvre of this movement, and we’re just starting to see the first breaking points

@realistic_delinquent

7 ай бұрын

I think people have finally recognized the pattern and are just saying “oh, this company or that is a cynical, self serving, ESG credit grubbing marionette manipulated by some firm that would sooner see us dead than happy. I didn’t realize until now that I don’t even want what they sell”. Say what you want about “the customer is always right”, it’s a better business model than “the customer is always an inconsequential, ignorant bigot”.

@ronmexico7256

7 ай бұрын

Getting called woke for playing Starfield and Cyberpunk always makes me laugh

@user-og6hl6lv7p

7 ай бұрын

@@ronmexico7256 Maybe they aren't 100% woke but they undeniably feature woke politics.

@ronmexico7256

7 ай бұрын

@@user-og6hl6lv7p Yes but my point is the common sentiment that anyone who engages with the games is inherently woke. It’s become some form of purity test at this point. It’s starting to feel like the everyone/everything is racist memes of the 2010s

Looking forward to the full episode. Looks like a great meta analysis of various conversations and experiences.

With the bud light thing, people felt like "the message" was being crammed down their throats from every direction in a way that could not be resisted. The Bud light incident was crossing a line far into their territory where for the first time that demographic was the primary supporter, so they had the means to resist that incroachment for the first time.

@jairkerker2821

7 ай бұрын

And it's not like Mulvaney represents the average trans who just wants to be accepted. Frankly I think he makes a mockery of women with those cartoonishly girlish stereotypical tropes of his. It hardly shines a positive light on either trans- or womanhood. I'd trade my likeness on those cans for Amber alerts. If Mulvaney had thought of doing that, there was no way Bud could refuse publicly and Mulvaney would come out a hero. The consequential massive exposure would seem something a girl like him would enjoy too.

@johnzebell9411

7 ай бұрын

Also was appealing to children. Most clueless act in the history of marketing

@beksinski

7 ай бұрын

Maybe. It seems pretty mild to me given that its just a label on a product people can buy or not. As opposed to things like taxes or school mandates or stuff with healthcare where people are denied a choice.

@danielwake2430

7 ай бұрын

@@beksinski it wasn't about the size or significance of the the gesture by bud light. It wasn't about that individual thing. It was an easy way for people to voice how they felt about the preceding string of similar occourances where they felt forced into submission to intrusive propaganda. All they had to do was not buy the product to communicate that they don't accept being forced to adopt a blatant non-reality.

@RosieRoserules

6 ай бұрын

The Bud light episode is hilarious and shows how stupid people are because everybody that was mad at Bud light held Anheuser-Busch in their retirement funds. Everybody's retirement in the United States almost lost 30% during the year that everyone was mad at Anheuser-Busch & target. Republicans work for Klaus Schwab they want to make sure no one is able to retire no one gets social security or Medicaid or a good way and that everybody is poor and mad at any business that they hold in their retirement

Konstantin may be a comedian, but man hes one of the most balanced, intelligent, articulate thinkers and voices out there helping to turn society back to a place where both sides can debate and discuss without being persecuted and 'cancelled'. He's very respectful and graceful, while critically analysing the arguments of the opposing views. He doesnt demonise the other side or fight fire with fire by resorting to hatefilled rants & insults. Its all very calm controlled and balanced. I really appreciate him.

@lexxxsuperior

5 ай бұрын

Lol no hes not. Obviously he has good points, he is clearly biased towards Israel, which is not surprising considering he is a jew

@reidmosey222

4 ай бұрын

@@lexxxsuperior Nice argument.

@jamesryan82

6 күн бұрын

Are you his mum? Stop simpin dude

For the budlight thing, it was mostly that they adamantly refused to aknowledge they made a mistake and apologise. They ignored the controversy and attempted to distract the public with other campaigns, instead. Heartfelt apologies work for everyone except the woke. This was not the time to be stubborn.

Konstantin articulated what I was trying to figure out why Chris was making a false equivocation with Rogan and Budweiser. Very nice

Great discussion, excellent and thought-provoking points, thank you! Subscribed!

When they gave Dylan Mulvaney a sixpack of Bug Light, the whole united right-of-center said "All you need to do is say you fucked up. Just apologize and take some responsibility." Instead what surfaced was in-depth interviews of absolute wokism and backpeddling cementing their distain for not only the existing customers but also the new people they were trying to cater to turned their back on them. I just find it odd that they lean into politics (and always on the left) when they know for a fact that you will alienate approximately 50% of people who are your potential customers.

@larsthomasdenstad9082

7 ай бұрын

Sorry, I misspoke. I was referring to the pundits I follow on KZread. There is obviously no such thing as a "united right-of-center".

@caseyjudson1062

7 ай бұрын

if you know that woke is cultural Marxism I imagine that since they don’t like the customers of Bud Light, they also really don’t like Bud Light. So they’re ultimate goal was to change the beer completely into a beer that nobody who used to like Bud Light likes anymore. In their heart of hearts, they didn’t go far ENOUGH. But if that doesn’t work, and all they are able to do is destroy the brand in the company, then that’s fine too .

@fyrchmyrddin1937

7 ай бұрын

It's a facet of woke-ist mentality, which pretty much springs from totalitarian ideologies. It's not in their nature to be introspective, because they can't afford to look in a mirror. T.H. White was the one I recall saying in his critique of the "ants" (as representing totalitarian communism), "That which is not forbidden is compulsory"

My view is that he holds himself to be a great mind on many things, pompously so, and in public statements he ate a knob so wholly and completely that any other word out of his mouth is now tainted. His exposed his biases that could not be dissuades by facts and showed he is no better, and possibly worse, than those he rails against who hold onto religion so deeply it blinds them.

@akumaoni3861

7 ай бұрын

It's kind of frighteningly ironic isn't it? He really came across as the quintessential religious zealot he has so vehemently apposed.

Sorry I don't feel bad for Sam. It's because of people like him that life sucked for 2 years.

@gorkyd7912

Ай бұрын

I feel bad for him. He has no principles, he's tossed in the sea of ideas and fears.

Absolutely spot on. I think it is also a reason why there are so many men left sour comments online and the rapid growth of red pill communities. When the narratives in mainstream media and every entertainment media are forcing one side of narrative, it is hard to say something else and it builds up frustration and anger.

Man, either you or Konstantin need to interview Dr.John Campbell when it comes to all things covid. Would be an amazing interview IMO

It's the betrayal. Bud Light was a company that was supposed to be on men's side. Who would expect a beer company to go woke? The gamers experienced the same betrayal back in 2014 when multiple gaming publications (9) all published at the same time articles saying gamers were over and needed to step aside. It's a stab in the back from people who are supposed to be on your side and represent your interests.

Once again, Konstantin provides the voice of REASON.

I like Konstantin very much. He is a voice of reason and he and Francis do an excellent tandem. Congrats Chris!

@Jaryism

6 ай бұрын

I still cringe when Chris refers to Dylan Mulvaney as “she”.. so much for voice of sanity, when you still call obvious men women

@randeepwalia1507

2 ай бұрын

"our customers are shit". He's attributing a quote to her that she never said

Another thing that the beer company had going against them is that not a lot of people actually care about them. They are the McDonalds of beer, everyone already passively dislikes them as the cheap watered down swill for the poor, even if they buy it themselves. It's always been fashionable to hate on brands like that, so when they crossed the line the public didn't have to move much at all to end up at righteous fury.

@scottsherman5262

7 ай бұрын

Great comment...I think you've got something here for sure.

@peteratkinson922

7 ай бұрын

Mulvany should gradually have sported a large beer gut and a series of progressively louder belches

We live in a consumer culture, the companies are the ones creating that culture, and we the people need to make our voices heard on what we want to consume and don't. I originally saw the Bud Light boycott as childish, but I now realise how important it was and for further boycotts, because we need to bring this culture back into normality.

Bud light was not about the ad, but about them not backing down no matter what and pushing the non apology apology. They still have not apologized and are actively doubling down to this day.

Konstantin is a class act. Makes me wanna up my game. Keep it up, Sir.

The "imagine if the decease had a 100% mortality rate for ... " argument is meaningless. You are basically changing one variable while locking the other - assuming people would respond the same way to a decease with a noticeably higher mortality rate. On top of that, there is a delay between a decease appearing and new vaccines being developed, tested, and shipped to the population, so it's not like everyone needs to make a decision the next day. With proposed mortality rate, the biggest nowadays skeptic won't be able wait to get vaccinated. Though, I agree that the next time anything like it happen, there will be a lot more information pollution that will lead to more skepticism and hesitancy to act timely.

The bud light thing is absolutely true. A public facing executive mocked her prime demographic. In a commodity high elasticity market.

I was looking for the full interview and was about to ask why I can't find it. Can't wait for this to drop.

I think one of many things in the bud light thing was the refusal to admit the mistake and apologise. If this had been done quickly it could have been saved

@joehfletcher

7 ай бұрын

Yep, they cared more about DEI and their liberal friends than they did about their customers.

@JTNugget

7 ай бұрын

The thing with Bud Light is like the thing with many companies. They are being pressured into pushing woke agendas that have nothing to do with selling a product through ESG scores from people like Larry Fink. People are sick of it. Sick of the social engineering. Sick of the top down tyranny.

The reason it is the Sam Harris embarrassment tour is that he used to take logical stances and cultivated a logical audience. But now he has lost all logic so his original fans turn against him

@matthewbazeley2984

7 ай бұрын

He puts forward a logical argument for his position on trump. I don't agree with it but it's not without logic.

@tux1968

7 ай бұрын

@@matthewbazeley2984 By that standard, almost everything is a logical argument. Flat earthers' have a certain logic to their idiocy, too. Sam is just clearly wrong. Shockingly wrong. On both Trump and Covid. He is not the logical and principled thinker we all took him as, earlier on in his public exposure.

@matthewbazeley2984

7 ай бұрын

@@tux1968 In logic, an argument can be invalid even if its conclusion is true, and an argument can be valid even if its conclusion is false. Sam argues that trump is such an existential threat to the USA the media collusion that took place to benefit Joe Biden was justified. I and expect you too, disagree with his assessment of the risk posed by trump. but tell me this, where is his argument illogical?

@tux1968

7 ай бұрын

@@matthewbazeley2984 It's illogical to assess Trump as an existential threat. There is no logic to it, only fear and misunderstanding. Now you tell me, where is the illogical part of the Flat Earthers' argument? Because, all you're doing is saying that anyone who makes an assertion, is being logical. And there's more to it than that, logic requires honestly and accurately assessing your axioms. If you forgive everyone their stupidity in selecting their axioms, then almost everything anyone says is logical, unless it includes contradictory statements. We should expect a higher standard of logic for purposes of public discourse, than that.

@McP1mpin

7 ай бұрын

​​@@matthewbazeley2984the reason Sam believes Trump is an existential threat to the USA is because the media colluded to paint that picture of him unjustly. He's using unjust acts to justify the use of those unjust acts in a circular argument which is illogical.

How much more obvious information does one need to say it came from Gain of Function?? And we’re still doing it. More deadly and more contagious.

Love this chat. Really good. ❤

9:33 There's a MAJOR difference between judging a person you don't know based on one thing they've said... Vs companies pushing woke propaganda and citizens finally being able to voice their opinion on it.

Regarding Chris' comment about latent resentment towards Sam, it wasn't latent resentment at all that was blowing up in Sam's face. It was the fact that when confronted about his controversial statements, he doubled down on them. He wasn't wrong. All of us were wrong in his eyes. The reason all of this blew up on him is he exposed himself for who he truly is. He's an ideologue who will wear the mask of having principles and integrity as long as it benefits him but the minute his "principles" might lead to an end he doesn't want he's totally okay with violating every principle he espoused.

@Verschlungen

7 ай бұрын

Wow! Thank you!! I've been trying but failing to articulate that idea for weeks. (To me, Sam Harris seems like a character straight out of a novel, a constructed 'type', so weirdly complex and devious that one does not expect ever to see such a person walking around in the real world. And yet, here he is: In THIS very world. And with hordes of fanboys; again, as if in a novel. It's crazy.)

@bryanwalden1095

7 ай бұрын

@@Verschlungen the crazy thing is there are far more people like him that just haven't exposed themselves in the same way. Covid and Trump broke a lot of people's brains and caused the masks to slip. It sucks to see because even though I disagreed with Sam on a lot of things, I appreciated his perspectives and listening to a different point of view. But now I can't listen to anything he says or has said in the past because now I know the man behind the mask. Everytime he acts like he's so rational and principled, I want to gag.

@abstractdaddy1384

7 ай бұрын

Can you explain to me why Sam's comment was wrong? I mean I really don't get it, because I agree with what he said. I can't help but wonder if people are just having different interpretations of what his point was.

@carlpolen7437

7 ай бұрын

It was wrong because he basically said that, no matter what his side (liberals) did, it woulld never be as bad as Trump being president. That literaly made him go against YEARS of things he's preached (Logic, rational thought etc). It instantly made him a hypocrite. He used pure emotion and said nothing mattered but how he felt about the issue. That's idiotic. And he said similar things about Covid. Even at a time when simply massive data had been collected that Covid wasn't (and realistically never had been) a threat, SAM was still in full on COVID vaccination hysteria mode. Honestly, I'm strugglinng to see how you can't understand this. Literally going against years of espoused priniciples in order to satisfy his emotional cravings is why so many turned on Sam. Me included. He's shown himself ot be a hypocrite.@@abstractdaddy1384

@wisdomsdoorstep

7 ай бұрын

@@abstractdaddy1384Sam’s comment about his support for lying and using any means necessary to stop Trump, even if these means violating every principle Sam purportedly ever stood for? I have heard Sam also make other very hypocritical and unscrupulous comments regarding COVID that demonstrate his lack of integrity and intellectual honesty when the chips are down. I’m not sure to which comments you are referring.

You could’ve started with a recap of what the controversial tweet actually was. I have no idea what happened so this was exasperating.

@SmigGames

7 ай бұрын

Same

@KevinJDildonik

7 ай бұрын

TLDR. Bud made their fans angry with a tone deaf pro-trans marketing campaign clearly written by millennial females who've never had a domestic beer unless it was at a frat party. Bud Fans are 50/50 on waking up to Bud being owned by foreign investors and misleading customers claiming they're all-American, and ew gay is gross save me Jesus. Conservatives are all freaked out over gays converting their kids right now for various reasons - some real, some totally made up on Twitter. Sam made a very inarticulate statement about the election. He was mocking conservatives who are going all "muh children" over this stuff. Saying "I don't care if Joe Biden has kids locked up in his basement, he's still better than Trump." Now before you have a knee-jerk, remember how many Trump people have no problem saying "I don't care if Trump assaults women, he's better than Biden." Sam didn't mean it's okay to assault kids any more than Trump fans promote assaulting women. It was just a stupid way of saying, "this issue seems overblown to me".

@michaelrosen2852

7 ай бұрын

Sam Harris was on a podcast and a clip went viral of him saying that “Hunter Biden could have literal children buried in his basement, it wouldn’t compare to the corruption of Trump university.”

@TheMightyMidget

7 ай бұрын

Instead of crying about how it was “exasperating” you could’ve done a 2 second search. This is a clip from Chris’ pod it would’ve been more “exasperating” for him and his team to go out their way to edit and please a couple of people who live under rocks.

@whenpigsfly8178

7 ай бұрын

For anyone else reading this comment who might not know, the gist of what Harris said is that even if Biden had abused girls in his basement, he'd still vote for him over Trump, because Trump is somehow so much of a wild card that he'd probably start WW3. Which is quite an immoral position, that only someone who had been hyper-alarmed by TDS/paranoia about Trump would voice.

Good podcast, thank you...

I’m a 60 + aged woman…. I’ve been saying for decades the need to respect our men! I can hardly watch a sitcom where the woman isn’t demeaning the man A reason why she’s many men 25 - 40 are single these days.

The thing with Harris' statement is that it merely confirmed my opinion that he's needed to get his ass off his shoulders for a long time now. He never should have stuck his nose in politics. It ruined a once great thinker.

@gedvalente4308

3 ай бұрын

Sounds like Trump you're describing - without the great thinker bit!!

@mawnkey

3 ай бұрын

@@gedvalente4308 a room temperature IQ take with TDS? How original! I've never seen that before. Please continue to run ORANGE_MAN_BAD.EXE for me.

great podcast

Oh my goodness it's been a while since I've clicked on Chris's channel (followed him at 30K and watched him grow to 500K+, and stopped youtubing hard about 6 - 9 months ago) and I was pleasantly shocked to see he's well over a millon subs. ) I'm SO GLAD to see how much this channel has grown Chris! You deserve it so much!!!

@FOURTEEFIVE

7 ай бұрын

Ok

Can’t wait for this full episode to drop.

There's a funny quote from one Asmongold, something like "looking for hipocrisy is the terminally online people's porn, but ultimately everyone is hypocritical whenever it suits them". I find that the mere presence of conflicting views or claims in a single person is no cause for criticism, because often the person isn't even aware of the contradition between them. It's much more useful to look at people's reaction when you ask them about it in good faith.

Concerning the principle of "You can't judge someone on 1 thing they say". That is a good principle. I think in terms of the Bud Light cancellation it was a combination of the sense that it's not just "1 person", but global corporations all pushing in a direction the majority of Americans don't want the country to go in (regardless of what specific view anyone has on the Trans debate). It also came with the now typical non-recognition, followed by non-apology, followed by ultra-American commercials as a cheap way to placate the public back into buying their beer and forgetting everything. The problem is that anyone that's payed any attention has seen this pattern unfold in other places over the past 15 years or so. Another factor is the recognition that people we don't vote for are having more direct control in our personal lives. Bud Light was the one vector that people could control something more easily (not buy their product) vs. the amount of control they had on potentially losing their job if they didn't get vaccinated, discovering ESG scores and realizing their own 401k accounts are being used against them, Being forced to attend DEI seminars and being told every way they think is wrong, etc. They don't seem connected on the surface, but they all stem from the distain of unelected elites attempting to control your life. People refer to the 2016 Trump victory as "a middle finger to the American politics", Bud Light was a middle finger to elites.

@ilovejettrooper5922

7 ай бұрын

You just made me realize it's also a way to control opposition; by giving "the masses" a place they do still feel they have control, the powers that be give themselves that much more breathing room to take that much more control over areas of life they should have never even been able to consider taking control over in the first place.

@Mattical1980

7 ай бұрын

@@ilovejettrooper5922 Agreed. When we hear month over month of AmBev's losses (Bud Light parent company), it feels like a win, and it is one. I'm not trying to take away from that. However, like most companies, the largest owners of AmBev are the main 3 asset managers (Blackrock, Statestreet, Vanguard). Combined they have 10 trillion in assets. They won't like it, but I think they are willing to sacrifice a few billion if it means more control over all money, people, etc.

@christopherkucia1071

7 ай бұрын

@@ilovejettrooper5922that’s how it works. First divide and conquer and then SELL THE SOLUTION. Like aliens being talked about in congress. It’s just a distraction or a solution. We don’t have choice in what we are even against anymore because all sides have been crafted or manipulated. They control how much control you think you have.

@laurabusse1832

6 ай бұрын

Well said

Great clip, well worth the time.

Chris is such an amazing podcaster He really knows how to ask the right questions and drop some wisdom between topics

@Jetes233

7 ай бұрын

I found Chris to be defending Harris when he brought up “the next” pandemic that kills children under 10, an analogy that Sam has made in an attempt to explain the lockdowns.

@trey8823

7 ай бұрын

Some MODERN WISDOM!?

@LumenMichaelOne

7 ай бұрын

He is ... 👍 ... Among The Best in My view.

@cac8793

7 ай бұрын

​@@trey8823say the line! 😂

@rymo2976

7 ай бұрын

Holy hell, Chris was wrong the entire time and Konstantin had to correct him over and over again. Chris is obviously not a high IQ person and should stick to lifting weights

Two of my favorite podcasters. Such a great conversation to listen to.

Even in this hypothetical 40% killrate covid scenario, I still don’t see the logic or justification for forced vaccinations. People who wish to protect themselves can go get the vax, and people who would rather risk it can choose not to. I’d even say the people who are most afraid and really want a vax would benefit if vaccination was not mandated, because that means their own chances of getting a jab are higher since there’s less competition.

Great clip. Konstantin is a treasure and nails it IMHO. My father (RIP) fled Hungary during the 1956 "Rebellion" against the Soviets and he instilled in me the hatred he had for Communism and he was the reason I served in the US Military during the Cold War. Further, because Konstantin came from a Communist country I always pay attention. He knows and it resonates with me.

When I hear someone refer to Dylan Mulvaney as “she” or as a woman I am immediately skeptical that I am talking to a rational person.

@Kentish9494

7 ай бұрын

Exactly this and also it helps propagate the lie that a man can be a woman

@francishooper9548

7 ай бұрын

Interestingly the British Prime Minister has said publicly in the last few days that " a woman is an adult human female". The tide is turning.

@crockmans1386

7 ай бұрын

Right.

@violent_bebop9687

7 ай бұрын

It's basically a dystopian test, if you will comply or not? 1984, Idiocracy, etc is happening

@STIKY55

7 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure they would feel the same about you....

Having just come here from scrolling Twitter - one thing I really appreciate is the level of civility in the comment section. Not just here but on KZread in general. I don't know what it is, maybe it's the kind of people that are attracted to long-form conversations versus the total dumpster fire that is both Twitter and Instagram.

@realistic_delinquent

7 ай бұрын

You’re engaging with some supremely abnormal comment sections.

@ridesharegold6659

7 ай бұрын

@@realistic_delinquent or it's not a big ask coming from Twitter 😂

Glad to hear kissin adequately educating someone about a point of view that he doesn’t necessarily share.

Great conversation

nice job bro

I can tell that Chris does very thorough investigations of any topics he covers. And by that I mean that he is on twitter all day

@laurabusse1832

6 ай бұрын

😂👍

@johnkluge3421

2 ай бұрын

How could he not know that corporations going woke and the public being angry about it is a big deal? What planet does he live on?

Great exchange 👏

It's crazy that ppl think that in order to champion women you have to demoralise men and vice versa. We are different, we are complimentary to each other, let's celebrate each other's strengths and help each other with weaknesses, we need each other to be the best we can be, not fighting to be the other....

0:49 You can feel sorry for people who are overwhelmed with shit, but at the same time, you have to consider the possibility that they have earned it.

Multi-million-dollar international corporations pushing mental disorders, disorders which can result in genital mutilation and literal castration of children in the US, is not really in the same universe as understanding that people make mistakes. I am really concerned at the number of prominent public people who seem to claim "all ideas are equally valid and need to be treated with equal respect". We can agree sexual exploitation of children is deeply immoral and act accordingly. Lines do need to be drawn somewhere for any social order to exist.

I've been looking all over for this "viral" clip with Sam.. would have been great if you guys could have linked it in the description section.

Great camera work btw, colors pop up so nicely

Taking things out of context is a real problem. I think we need to give each other more space to be human, and stop jumping to the worst conclusions about things. Remember nuance?

@rdfarley8555

7 ай бұрын

and suggesting things that were clearly articulated were taken out of context is at least as big a problem. i've listened to and read a lot of harris. he's consistent. and since he doesn't always tell you in context (most don't. perhaps so they can use the ole "out of context" tripe?), understanding nuance will help make it clear.

Williamson is pushing such a bad line on Mulvaney. Thankfully Kisin kicks ass by the end. Their protracted defense of Sam Harris is preposterous though. Sam very obviously meant what he said, in context, as that has been the major text of his OCD for 6 years now. Kisin struck a little bit at Harris by saying "If I shared his view of Trump..." but that very adroitly elided just how insane Harris has become on the subject to other minds. I'll grant Kisin has tactical reasons to not go further, but it's obvious Sam is psychotic.

This is one of the very best interview clips I’ve ever watched. Both Konstantin and Chris perfectly articulate the opinions I share on SH, Trump, Covid, and Gillette, and Bud Light. I’m looking forward to the full episode.

@milton7763

7 ай бұрын

🤔 “Great interview! That said exactly what I already thought”

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:12 🧭 Konstantin felt terrible about the Twitter storm generated by Sam Harris's controversial comments, emphasizing the unpleasantness of such experiences. 00:27 💭 Quantity of negative comments on social media can become overwhelming, affecting even strong-minded individuals, emphasizing the need to avoid reading comments, as highlighted by Joe Rogan. 00:53 💌 Konstantin's primary concern during the episode with Sam Harris was for Sam's well-being and how he would experience the aftermath of the controversial Twitter clip. 01:49 🔥 Konstantin disagreed with Sam Harris's views on COVID-19 and Trump, expressing concern about overestimating threats leading to drastic actions. 02:28 🎙️ The interview aimed at giving the guest an opportunity to reveal themselves positively rather than exposing or "gotcha" moments. 03:25 💉 Evaluating the risk and reward of COVID-19 and vaccine mandates influenced perspectives on government intervention and public health decisions. 03:53 🦠 COVID-19 was seen as a vaccine that exacerbated vaccine skepticism due to its impact on society and medical systems. 05:17 🦠 Konstantin stressed the importance of investigating COVID-19's origins to prevent future pandemics, questioning the origins and potential for another pandemic. 06:53 💭 Konstantin emphasized the need for an honest conversation about the origins of COVID-19 and the risks associated with gain-of-function research. 09:12 🍺 Analyzing Bud Light's marketing controversy, Konstantin highlighted the tension between corporations pushing certain narratives and the public's reaction to being lectured. 16:46 💥 Konstantin connected the anti-woke sentiment to the perception that major institutions project a specific worldview onto the public, contributing to the pushback against narratives demonizing masculinity. Made with HARPA AI

Sam is such an interesting mix of a human because he is so overtly logical about most topics, while being wildly emotional about others. At the beginning of the pandemic, I actually sought Sam out for that reason. Everyone was losing their minds, and I thought Sam would be a calm rational voice in the void. But the opposite was true: Sam was truly scared, and his views got swept up in that fear. He is human,after all. I think people (myself included) forgot that.

@cyberft

7 ай бұрын

I don’t think it was fear based, at least not the fear of what you think. Look into his connections with a certain someone who didn’t kill himself.

@Ottuln

7 ай бұрын

He is an Atheist. Having actual death stare him in the face blew him off the deep end.

@00TheD

7 ай бұрын

Sam offers one perspective and only one, his own. I no longer listen to Sam Harris well before this and if you are over the age of teenager and you still listen to sam's truths, you may have some more self reflecting to do he isn't the end of thought he is the beginning. His viewpoints speak to those not yet fully developed and once fully developed you will move on.

@davidknierim8354

7 ай бұрын

Sam absolutely showcased how the German people participated in Genocide...

@atomicsmith

7 ай бұрын

This is the problem with people that consider themselves “rational”: they have moved all of their emotions, prejudices, and desires into their blind spot. They are completely driven by these hidden motives, but have become expert at post-rationalizing them. Reason is only one of many ways your mind works. If you haven’t integrated the other ways (including the irrational) you aren’t seeing the full picture.

People's strong negative emotional reaction to anything Sam Harris is ironic since their primary criticism of him is his strong negative emotional reaction to Trump.

@Mahtijanis

7 ай бұрын

Which is funny too, since if you actually listen to Sam his reaction to Trump isn't quite that emotional at all. It's a strong reaction for sure, but simply not an emotional one.

Imagine that..two people openly exchanging information in a reasonable manner. Then having that info cause small changes in perspective that makes everybody better for the experience. In 2023 this is crazy talk

Rosanne Barr is famously Jewish. She had a hilarious bit about growing up in Arizona and her dad embracing the cowboy culture walking around with a belt buckle that was a turquoise star of David.

I'm 58 and a lesbian and I'm coming full circle on men and reviewing who they've be for me despite the initial rough going with my dad. I'm so grateful I recognized my need to understand men before my dad died. The inquiry has served me ever since! Take care fellas, grateful for all you work!!!

There's something great about the way that Chris interviews when he says things like "Really? Have you looked at this?" in such a direct way that he puts interviewees on their toes in a non-combative way and it makes me think you could never bullshit your way through an interview with him. I feel like a chat with him could really let you know what you do and don't know about strong opinions you have. A really great interviewer.

Konstantin is one of the most reasonable influencers alive

@gedvalente4308

3 ай бұрын

Yep. He likes playing it safe.

"Sell them the beer and shut up"😂

What did Sam Harris say at the Triggernometry podcast that was so controversial? I missed that one :(

@ChilleDINJerseY

7 ай бұрын

Agreed; the clip is weird because it refers to something I have no idea about. Talk about the trig clip lol; not everyone is on the same page

Having watched Sam for a decade, there is something that has changed in his manner and thinking. I feel we owe him the space to work it out until he finds his voice. He just seems to have turned his back on relationships and his commentary was always fenced with humor and sarcasm. There is an edge to his comments today that is somewhat bitter. I hope he is well.

@tommyd6772

6 ай бұрын

Sam is a pychopath and it took the interview with Konstantin to reveal this.

@goodvibes-gy3jn

6 ай бұрын

I don’t know what to feel about the way he dealt with the interpersonal relationships he’s had with certain people in the midst of conflicting ideas about the pandemic and I don’t think Sam knows how to feel either. However, his stances on COVID and trump are completely logical and rational if you understand them.

@johnkluge3421

2 ай бұрын

@@goodvibes-gy3jnthey are internally rational if you look at them apart from the facts. If you consider the facts, they are evil.

Chris is wrong about the Bud Light scandal. Far from a single incident, the boycott was a reaction to an issue that has been ongoing for years. Bud Light is far from the first, and the reaction to that movement is becoming stronger as an increasing number of life aspects are taken over by it. I was surprised by the lack of reaction to the Miller ad. The claim of the ad is that somehow the ads produced in the past by Miller itself and advertising companies are filled with unacceptable content and that is entirely the fault of people who had nothing to do with the production of those ads in the first place. It's an insidious claim and it deserved far more backlash.

Exactly - the "boy who cried wolf" effect is a major concern of mine. A part of me wonders if this effect was produced intentionally. I can't think of a better way to neutralize all opposition to the authoritarianism than to deploy something actually dangerous in the near future. I'm very concerned about this.

More folks need recognize a thought being explored to highest level capable. Free to find your way, and exhausting reason, we live with our choices until new info arrives. These fellows seem capable of this. Learn it, live it.

It's a whole shift of culture. Sam is a part. Bud is a part. Chris mentioned an iceberg. These 2 examples are the tip and people pointing to the tip is all we can do knowing there is a massive issue beneath the surface.

This aspect ratio as absolutely fantastic for anyone watching in their own personal cinema!

Sam ONLY showed you what he was in a more BLATANT forum. THAT is what Sam is. He IS Albert Speer.

A woman who made the marketing decision to engage Dylan mulvaney was a VP of marketing. Not some random isolated low level executive.

@craigbritton1089

6 ай бұрын

Too much of looking for excuses for The Mulvaney episode

Every time I watch people like the two of you my first thought is "if only people like them were more involved in government decision making, the world would be 100 times better". Chris and Konstantin are two examples of healthy and logical thought process that is missing in politics and leaderships worldwide. It's a shame that this kind of talent and personality is rarely found in positions of power. You guys are awesome, please reproduce s much as you can!

@Andrew1454

7 ай бұрын

Hell yes ^

Great clip! Big fan of Konstantin. Great mind and clear communicator - fun to hear the two of you together.

Boycott = I won't watch your stuff. Canceling = I forbid anyone else to have the ability to watch your stuff.