"Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi seeks these not" - Yoda. "Hold my beer" - Qui Gon

@LouisTravieon

6 ай бұрын

I read this and visualized it and I'm cracking up 😅

The most true and pure Jedi was the rebellious one. Even with all of his criticisms and problems with the Jedi Order at that point he never strayed. He showed people who he was, he never had to tell people, he lived as an example of a Jedi in their purest form.

@jmwilliamsart

6 ай бұрын

Right you are, Qui Gon was the last true Jedi until Luke came along. I mean the Luke from Legends and EU not the sequel trilogy. Yoda later realized that Qui Gon had been right all along. Yoda was largely at fault because he didn’t allow the order to change, and he kept it too attached to the Republic.

@toddhartman135

6 ай бұрын

Qui-Gon should have spent a year to 18 months on the counsel. In order to show them the "true" Jedi way. He was a bit selfish in not even trying to change them.

if I were a Padawan Learner I would want Qui-Gon Jinn as my Master.

@dawidschaffrath8426

24 күн бұрын

He is the best (except Anakin 👍). 🙂

Qui Gon was truly wiser than the rest of the Jedi. Later on (ROTS) Yoda realized that Qui Gon had been right all along. Yoda realized that he was largely at fault because he didn’t allow the order to change. The Jedi had become too arrogant, and too stifled by their traditions, they adhered too much to the letter of the law (Jedi code) that they forgot about the spirit of it (the force). Honestly, I believe that the Jedi order needed to fall in order for a better one to arise, that being Luke’s Jedi order. By that I mean Luke’s order from Legends and EU not the sequel trilogy which in my opinion isn’t true canon. The Jedi were long overdue for a reformation.

@gibbs615

3 ай бұрын

I agree on all that! A lot of things would've turned out different and better if Qui-Gon hadn't died and they had just listened to him about everything. And yes Luke was something like Qui-Gon himself since becoming a Jedi and the new Jedi order he made in Legends EU was a LOT better and I know Qui-Gon would've been very proud of it.

Qui-Gon Jinn was 100% right about the council

@arezdracul8650

6 ай бұрын

Here, here

@moellennium

6 ай бұрын

Facts 💯

@machiavelligaming9755

6 ай бұрын

He said “nah I’m good, I’m literally a better Jedi than all y’all”

@wjdyr6261

6 ай бұрын

He's like a foreshadowing of Luke??

@jmwilliamsart

6 ай бұрын

I think that Obi Wan only started to share Qui Gon’s viewpoints after the fall of the Jedi and the Republic. It’s too bad that Obi Wan didn’t take after Qui Gon much sooner? Obi Wan was determined to mend his mistakes with Anakin with how he mentored Luke.

I’ve always loved the character of Qui-gon Jinn.

Obi-Wan embodied where the Jedi were going Yoda embodied what the Jedi had become Anakin embodied what the flaws of the Jedi would do to them Qui Gon was what they were supposed to be.

@jmwilliamsart

6 ай бұрын

And Luke was the first of the new Jedi, he’s what the Jedi were meant to be. I mean Luke from Legends and EU not from the sequel trilogy, the new films didn’t do Luke justice.

@evilweevil58008

6 ай бұрын

​@@jmwilliamsartluke from the OT and Legends is the real luke

If Yoda had the balls and the foresight to stand up to the senate, it’s likely that the rest of the Jedi would’ve followed suit.

@Vietmac1993

6 ай бұрын

Yoda got really complacent as he grew old. Similar to Hiruzen Sarutobi from Naruto

Qui-Gon and Dooku were a lot alike. They both saw the issues with the Jedi council as having become too politically involved with the Galactic Senate and the Supreme Chancellor and also Grand Master Yoda had too much power on the council. They both respected and admired him but he was too dogmatic in his ways being very strict and stubborn with traditional rules. Both were viewed as mavericks. Where they went in different directions 🧭 was after Qui-Gon was killed. Dooku blamed the council for his death. It could have been prevented. And also when Syfo-Dias had his vision. That world could have been saved. He felt there was no place for him as a Jedi. They lost their way a long time ago.

@dawidschaffrath8426

24 күн бұрын

Its a pity that because Dooku also is older and more experienced so he was also more fustrated with Jedi council and thus was more vulnerable to corruption of Sidious. If only Qui-Gon didn’t t die.

Full support for Qui-Gon! He was absolutely right. I would love to have mentor like Qui-Gon or friend like him. Mileniums ago Jedi were idependent group,true followers of the light. Republic and the Senate were corrupted,lazy and sleazy to the core. Qui-Gon belonged to those Jedi. They followed the Force and light side with purest heart. So did Qui-Gon. Great analysis. May the Force be with you too😊See you in next video😊

The guy was arguably the most based Jedi of his time. He was right the council was too political. And as more nuanced media comes out, that point really shows

@jmwilliamsart

6 ай бұрын

Exactly, the Jedi had become too arrogant, rigid, and too beholden to the Republic and its corrupt politicians. It’s too bad that Obi Wan didn’t understand what was wrong with the order, and he even took a seat on the council. Thankfully Obi Wan was more like Qui Gon when he mentored Luke, he was more patient, understanding, and he listened more.

@Vietmac1993

6 ай бұрын

​@@jmwilliamsartobi wan just lacked experience. Plus Qui Gon died too soon. Had Qui Gon lived I believed Obi Wan would have opened his eyes much sooner.

Clearly, he made the right choice by declining the offer. It is better to serve the force as intended than used by others with different agendas.

the stupendous wave so you can agree the only Jedi who could have saved Anakin Skywalker help him reach his full potential free his mother allow him to be with Padme always and forever will be Qui-Gon Jinn even George Lucas confirmed it

@InimicalRabbit

6 ай бұрын

Then he would have been a Grey Jedi and not recognised by the council at all. He could have done amazing things for the galaxy but without the Order his contribution would have been drop in the bucket.

@user-yc9vv9xb8s

6 ай бұрын

@@InimicalRabbit and if Dooku never turn to the dark side after Qui-Gon Jinn survived he could have helped him train Anakin because both were the same actually

@toxicgracie3772

6 ай бұрын

So many hypotheticals... fact of the matter is he got cheated from life by Darth Maul. And in turn, Maul got cheated from his full potential by his apprentice. If Qui Gon AND Obi Wan won that fight (as they should've), the narrative shifts heavily towards Qui Gon. But of course he had to be killed off eventually 😔

@user-yc9vv9xb8s

6 ай бұрын

@@toxicgracie3772 but everything said was correct and right

@jarodshepard1046

6 ай бұрын

Like George Lucas said the duel of the fates depended on whether Qui-Gon won or lost. Unfortunately, he lost & set Anakin on the way to becoming Darth Vader

Honestly as far as qui-gon goes dooku putted it best when he says quigon was the wisest of all and as quigon goes I believe he was right to not join the council and followed what he knew was right the biggest difference between dooku and quigon was he didn't join the sith while dooku did

I guess it's safe to say that the "more civilized age" Obiwan spoke died in tne moment Qui-Gon fall.

This would be an interesting what if someone could explore. What if he did join the council

Qui-Gon put the will of the living force above the wishes of the Jedi council. Which the Jedi council should have seen and followed. Imo the way he did things was the way the Jedi were truly supposed to operate as an organization. Qui-Gon didn't care about all politics and other BS the Jedi council seemed to get involved in more and more. Which ultimately led to the fall of their order. It's really too bad he died when he did. Things could have ended up going a lot differently if Qui-Gon accepted a spot on the council and was able to take on Anakin as his apprentice. If only...

@scottb3034

6 ай бұрын

Qui-Gon plenty cared about politics, that's the whole thing about his adventures in TPM. He discussed the Naboo politics with the Queen, hid behind his allegiance and affiliation with the Republic for why he didn't do anything about slave culture/atmosphere on Tatooine, etc. For not caring or being beyond politics he sure focused on it a lot in Ep I.

@dawidschaffrath8426

24 күн бұрын

@@scottb3034I think you can care about politics but more about the will of the Force (if you had to pick a one).

@scottb3034

24 күн бұрын

@@dawidschaffrath8426 that's fine if people argued that. But most people ignore those issues with Qui-Gon, pinning them only on the other Jedi.

To see if he made the right choice all one has to look at is Dooku while he was a Jedi, he was personally trained by the grand master of the order, and yet the dogmatic nature of the clone wars era Jedi shackled him to inability enough so that even when a Sith appeared he was barred from going after them. This in turn cost the order not one but two members as the only avenue Dooku had available was to leave the order to try and have any kind of change on the galaxy for the better.

Brilliant video. Keep up the good work.

It’s interesting to me that despite Obi-Wan being trained under Qui-Gon, he still went with the Jedi Council politics and ideals instead of adopting Qui-Gon’s teachings. It seems that Obi-Wan never learned to be in tune with the living force, or he didn’t trust himself enough to follow that path

@gibbs615

3 ай бұрын

Yeah back then Obi-Wan just wasn't exactly like Qui-Gon and he was being way too strict on Anakin about the rules of the Jedi council which was very flawed.

Qui-Gon didn't sit with them because they were too incompetent to even their own ideals.

Qui gon and count dooku are my favorite characters in Star Wars. They were so important and wiser than all other Jedi. Yoda was a fool and led the Jedi to their demise.

One voice against 12, doubt that Qui Gon would have made much difference/change

Thank you for this video.

If there were various mindsets like Qui-Gon, then all of them would be able to make a big change in the council.

i think you are missing the point entirely. The Master rank in the Jedi order is a HUGE DEAL. They certainly CAN defy the counsel as long as they don't go dark side. They can literally do whatever they want, as mlong as it's within the confines of the Jedi code.

Kinda feels like they just offered him the seat cuz some expected if he accepted then just fall in line and his say could be drowned out

Fantastic assessment

Im not sure... In life Dooku had too much influence over him. Didn't Dooku quit for virtually the same reasons (ie, the Senate's overbearing control over the Jedi Order)!?🤔 Also, given the Clone Wars happening after his death, we dont know how that would've affected him & his whole outlook on life & the force imo!✌🏻

Always loved his free spirit ❤️

If Qui-Gon was so opposed to the diplomacy and bureaucracy of the council then why didn't he trade in his Counsellor card for a Sentinel? He could have been in the trenches with the very people he sought to help with little council interference? If he really thought this way his lightsaber would have glowed yellow.

@josephmath1

6 ай бұрын

Being a Counsellor jedi doesnt mean being sololy a diplomat, sure it often went that way, but the Counsellors where the ones who were supposed to study the force, learn about it, and develop the powers and abilities to better the galaxy at large.

@scottb3034

6 ай бұрын

Better question to ask is "If he was so opposed to diplomacy and bureaucracy then why did he behave the way he did in Ep I?" Basically half his ideals and commentary was about various political topics.

It's crazy to think in some ways Obi-Wan was such a disappointment as an apprentice to Qui Gon.

It's a shame that obi wan decide to join them on their Qui-Gon would be very disappointed in him but he would be proud of Anakin

@SingleTax

6 ай бұрын

Proud of Anakin for becoming so hopelessly pussy-whipped that he swore allegiance to a Dark Lord of the Sith? Proud of him for murdering younglings? I seriously doubt that.

@BrianLamar-es3my

6 ай бұрын

@@SingleTax close but no he be proud that and can become a Maverick Jedi for following his own path for going and following his own personal view of how things are and should be stop being Claudia Gray novel she got you pussy whipped

@The_Lag_Monster

6 ай бұрын

​@@SingleTaxperhaps in the events up to that point. Qui-Gon could have nurtured a much better emotional maturity if given the power to. Anakin's love for Padme might not have escalated to the extreme it did if he was allowed to love and have his emotional ties. Luke later embraced having such ties and raised jedi to be far more powerful than the clone war jedi. Maybe except for Mace Windu and Yoda.

I feel like even if qui gon had accepted had he tried to make change. Some of the more respected members mainly Yoda being so old. Would be looked to by the other masters and qui gon would just get out voted.

@Vietmac1993

6 ай бұрын

I agree. It would have been a losing uphill battle for Qui Gon to try to create change.

Excellent

If he sat in the council, he would have come into contact with more Jedi to influence. Especially the young ones. Only influencing Kenobi would leave Kenobi in the same position as he was, a single voice.

Qui-Gon Jinn was correct in refusing a council seat given how the Jedi Order had become an arm of the senate. While he did train Obi-Wan in the ways of the force, especially the LIVING FORCE, Kenobi didn’t take those lessons to heart as well he should have when training Skywalker.

I believe that Qui-Gon would have been constantly at odds with the rest of the council and was right to refuse a seat with them.

Qui-gon reignites my love for the lightside

Honestly though, had Dooku gotten on the council instead of Mace and Qui accepted the seat the jedi may have actually prevailed

You're right about all that! The old Jedi order became very flawed ever since becoming linked with the republic and its politics of the senate and Qui-Gon definitely knew this about them. So it was a very wise choice Qui-Gon made to not join the Jedi council.

He was right to refuse the council seat but it was good that he stayed in the order so he could influence Obi-Wan and Anakin

Qui Gon is the model related to Master Jiraiya.

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Nice!

I listened to Master and apprentice and it was one of the best books I’ve ever seen

Ok I have to ask, what is that song in the background towards the end of the video? I always hear it and I always wonder what it’s called…

I always thought because he wants to lead the league of assassin

Got some questions, how did Maul get Ventress’s lightsaber? What happened to Vaders lightsaber after return of the Jedi?

Qui Gon was a true jedi!

His luscious locks were too good for the Jedi council.

What an interesting video

qui-gon is interesting like dooku. they're both likeable and equally obtuse in the end. you want to be their friend. then you want to smack them. but then you see mundi, forget about both qui-gon and dooku, and want to punch him in his irritating forehead.

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I like him, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti and Quinlan Vos. They were the less political and more grounded Jedi

Qui-Gon Jinn is the epitome of what all Jedi should be.

Can you please do a video on why the Jedi of the old republic had to die during order 66.

Too bad ole quick gon didnt use the force a bit more in his duel with maul

@angryhd2976

6 ай бұрын

He couldn’t fight for Sh-

Because the council stoped following the force and stopped caring about what was good

How yodi ran the order... in my opinion he made so many weird decisions

It's because of the jedi council's point of view why they eventually collapsed

Guilt clouds the Force....

Already watched / seen this video...

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

In addition to Obi getting with Padme many, many times, Gui Gon also got with her 7 times as well.

@The_Lag_Monster

6 ай бұрын

Huh?! Source?

Too bad, that Obi-Wan's allegiance was " ...to the Republic, to democracy".

Not everyone wants to be honest with you about themselves. AkA Senator palpatine . He was the king pin in the rise of the imperial empire

Darth Maul doomed the galaxy to suffer under the Empire when he killed Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon was probably the only jedi who stood a chance of preventing Anakin from becoming Darth Vader. Obi did his best, but he still had too much respect for the council.

@Vietmac1993

6 ай бұрын

Obi had his flaws but he doesn't have too much blame. The council was heavily biased against Anakin, the learning environment was very toxic, Jedi were heavily influenced by politics, and Palpatine was corrupting Anakin.

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Good video…

Finally? This was revealed in a book back in the mid 2000s...

Made zero sense. This is a man that rejected the council offer because of a treaty about essentially slavery but was perfectly okay with how the Hutts ran the Outer Rim and THEIR slave policies and allowed Shmi to remain enslaved because the Hutts weren't his government and the Jedi only work in Republic space...basically I am calling BS on Qui-Gon then, he is no better than the Jedi he claims are lost. Moreover he claims remaining off the Council allows him more freedom...but the Council is the one that hands out missions and tells their Knights where to go, he can't just willy nilly run off and do whatever he pleases. In fact, it's arguable that taking that seat on the council WOULD grant him the freedom to go wherever because he is a frickin council member, any meetings he needs to sit in on he could do remotely.... This is all just nonsensical on Qui-Gon Jinn's part.

Big red flag an question shoulda been WHY THEY CAN'T see a flaw or mistake they're making alot more times then not..

Qui Gon Jesus :D

It almost feels like a metaphor for what happens irl. Religions get involved in politics and start to try to dictate laws of a secular country.

Nobody hates on Qui-Gon😊

I am probably going to get heat for saying this, but Master Qui-Gon Jin I can arguably say is the wisest out of all the Jedi masters. Even Grand Master Yoda.

Qui-Gon had to die by the end of The Phantom Menace because George Lucas realized he’d be too powerful if he didn’t nerf him.

@SingleTax

6 ай бұрын

Or because he realized that if Qui-Gon had trained Anakin, there would've been no Darth Vader -- and hence no trilogy.

Sounds like t/ eXact same reason why I left activism 😇

*_Liam Neesons_*

Day 287 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

Qui-Gon was right. But his voice would’ve benefited the Jedi Order. The story sounds great, but in TPM; 1. Obi-Wan complains that if Qui-Gon would just follow the Council’s guidelines, that he would be on the Jedi Council. 2. At the beginning of the movie, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are on a mission for the Order/Senate. 3. Qui-Gon takes Anakin to the Jedi Council on Coruscant to ask the Council for permission to train Anakin as his Padawan learner.

@avarycepierce6296

6 ай бұрын

Because Qui-Gon didn't always disagree with the Council. It was over important issues that he went the way of the Force. Also: Qui-Gon was going to train Anakin regardless of the Council's decision. That was also shown in TPM.

Qui-gon was right, period.

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Qui-gon was right

This is exactly why Qui-Gon is this anarchist, anti-religious spiritualist's favourite Jedi.

@irajohnston5160

6 ай бұрын

Seconded!

@The_Lag_Monster

6 ай бұрын

Anarchist 🙄

@CyrusCageSCWS

6 ай бұрын

@@The_Lag_Monster Yep. All government is a criminal mafia masquerading as a system of government. And woke leftists are scum.

@Vietmac1993

6 ай бұрын

Qui Gon wasn't truly a rebel. He was what a Jedi supposed to be.

@CyrusCageSCWS

6 ай бұрын

@@Vietmac1993 exactly. I'm not a rebel either. I'm just sane and I do my own thing in peace, away from insanity to support growth, love and life wherever I find it.

I am with Qui-Gon when it comes to slavery . This is a big NO NO........

@scottb3034

6 ай бұрын

so why didn't he do anything about it on Tatooine or free Shmi?

@SPAZ2BANE2

6 ай бұрын

@scottb3034 I agree with you. Why didn't Anakin go back and free his Mother either?

@scottb3034

6 ай бұрын

@@SPAZ2BANE2 Indeed.

the jedi in the end was just as bad as the sith.

@scottb3034

6 ай бұрын

that's not at all the takeaway Lucas intends.

first

Yoda is probably the only one to realize Qui-Gon was correct when the Jedi fell. Jedi became too restricted and institutionalized to see the dangers.