It’s ironic when the ancient Jedi scrutinized and all together distanced themself form people like Revan and Malak who wanted to join the war too help the galaxy eventually turning them too the darkside , only for the current Jedi too do the same thing they did in a sense .

@TheUncivilizedNation

7 ай бұрын

The crazy part is that the Jedi of the time still looked down upon Revan’s philosophy despite basically enforcing it even better the Revanites ever could

@eds1942

7 ай бұрын

@@TheUncivilizedNationthe Revanchists. Named so since there aim was to drive back the Neo Mandalorian Crusaders from form Republic space.

@bhaveshjugnauth

7 ай бұрын

That was different. Revan got enough of the jedi council's decision not to react when the mandalorians were causing chaos and misery to the people of the galaxy that he decided to act.

@Trelitty11

7 ай бұрын

@@bhaveshjugnauth that’s not really different. The same thing happened essentially with the separatists . Only instead of just two jedi the entire jedi got involved.

@Boomblox5896

7 ай бұрын

You keep using the wrong form of "too", instead you should have used the word "to"

I think they focused too much on the fact that the Separatists were led by a Sith Lord. The reason they could not ignore the Separatists, even though the war was political, was because they had to consider that the Sith may be using the Separatists to form a new Sith Empire. Even though the Confederacy had legitimate complaints against the Republic, leaving them alone could have far more devastating consequences, especially since they knew that Count Dooku was a Master of propaganda. If there were no Sith Lord, or no information of one, the Jedi probably would have given more thought against joining the war. The fact that the leader of the Separatists was a Sith Lord, however, probably clouded their judgement.

@matthewlaflamme9019

7 ай бұрын

They had no issues taking the clones who were created from and trained by a guy working directly for said sith lord

@John-115

6 ай бұрын

@@matthewlaflamme9019What choice would they have.

@John-115

6 ай бұрын

The Sith's cunning scheme trapped the Jedi in a difficult situation. What if the Jedi stayed neutral and didn't lead the Republic's clone armies? Would it change the outcome significantly? Regardless of their choice, the dark side's power would still increase. Maybe this different approach could have made the Jedi Order stronger and more effective in making a difference. But kinda doubt it.

Any jedi from Tython would call the entire Jedi order " false jedi " during the era of Yoda .

Only did Obi Wan realise this year's later during his exile on Tatooine. During the war however a jedi turned traitor and who framed Ashoka Tano - TWICE - (SWCW) saw what the jedi had really become. Betraying their principles as peacekeepers. That was Bariss Offee

Another important part is that they are supposed to be both Warriors and Monks, both Gaurdians and Consulars. The Order by allowing themselves to give into absolutes, either fully a warrior or fully the monk, led to their downfall during both the Clone Wars and during the Neo Mandalorian War where the Order was sharply divided into the two aspects.

@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy

7 ай бұрын

I guess that's part of balance.

Kenobi and Yoda represent the survivors guilt in their exile. The clone wars were so well crafted that the Jedi were doomed no matter what actions they chose. To be a guardian of peace and justice is to have your enemies grow exponentially.

@Gokiza

6 ай бұрын

They were failures and deserved their guilt hiding in shame, while their Jedi brothers and sisters were hunter down like dogs still fighting for their beliefs.

@katerbiller04

6 ай бұрын

@Gokiza I don't think you understand the concept of surviors guilt even when it is used in fiction.

By taking part in a war and not just keeping the peace ☮️ the Jedi exposed themselves to the all the negative emotions the Dark side uses to corrupt people. To quote our boy Yoda “ Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering” and the Jedi order was exposing Padawan to war zones ! Maybe not the best idea ! Lmao 🤣

Back in the 80s I imagined that a sith had cloned jedi, and those were the clones. It was Jedi VS Clones which took down their numbers, and in the aftermath Palpatine rose to power with the help of Vader.

I think you are overlooking the idea that the first play of the clone wars was the separatist trying to kill two jedi and then take hostage or eliminate over 200 jedi. They also had an idea that the sith were behind the separatist movement. They recognized that it was largely political but at the helm of the separatist was a former jedi who they now believed to be a sith serving under a sith lord. so you might say they thought from the get go that they were really just fighting against the sith.

@831ryan

7 ай бұрын

Considering that Palpatine and Dooku organized the clone wars, they kinda were fighting against the Sith

@pieceofschmidtgamer

7 ай бұрын

@@831ryan I mean, they were essentially fighting for and against the Sith during the Clone Wars...

@John-115

6 ай бұрын

Palpatine's intricate plan deftly manipulated the Jedi, compelling them to stretch their forces thin. The Jedi, accustomed to their roles as guardians of peace, found themselves burdened with the weighty responsibilities of military leaders and combatants in a galaxy-spanning war, a rarity not witnessed in a millennium. While the decline of the Republic might have eventually triggered conflict, the Sith seized this opportunity to cunningly exploit and hasten the galaxy's descent into chaos. Through this calculated tactic, the Jedi became embroiled in the Clone Wars, unknowingly battling what appeared to be an emerging Sith Empire, cleverly disguised as the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Only in the end did they realize that it was an intricately laid trap, from which escape seemed impossible, as their vision and judgement became increasingly clouded and misguided. The Jedi exhaustively fought against the perceived Sith threat, inadvertently contributing to the rise of Palpatine’s Empire.

@pieceofschmidtgamer

6 ай бұрын

@@John-115 Eh, Palpatine's plan wasn't that great. It only worked due to several events happening that not only were outside his control, he didn't even foresee happening. There were also numerous points where, had the Jedi not been eating rocks, the whole plan could've completely unraveled. Any plan that relies on your enemy making stupid or foolish decisions is not a particularly great plan.

@SifuJavis

5 ай бұрын

@@pieceofschmidtgamer oh I disagree. I think palpatine had them eating rocks as you say as part of his plan. He definitely manipulated events, as well as the sith lords before him, to put the republic and Jedi in the position they are in.

i know for a fact that Palpatine would have spun the narrative to charge the Jedi Order with Dereliction of Duty IF they refused to lead the Grand Army of the Republic into Battle. even if they instead acted as a relief group assisting war refugees, healing the injured and sick, Palpatine would find a way to make THEM the villain for not putting themselves in the line of fire so his ultimate plan (Order 66) could take place. Palpatine always finds a way. . .

@theguybehindyou4762

7 ай бұрын

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Plenty of examples of that in real life.

Putting aside the Sith pulling the strings I think Jedi were wrong to enter the Clone Wars they should have done was to go to Tython and find the balance once again. The Clone Wars were nothing like the Mandalorian Wars for the Jedi the enemy may not have been Force users but the Force was calling the Jedi and they were refuse the anwerse cause Revan to take up mantle and then half choose half forced the dark side.

@thomasparque7834

7 ай бұрын

The true things the two wars have income was the Jedi refused to listen to the Force and Sith were ones started domino effect though in deferent ways and reasons.

the jedi would have best served as a role like the red cross... maybe they could also argue for intergalactic sentient right laws and eaked out some juristiction to enforce said law. basically putting them in a position where they could talk people down and discurage war crimes... where as in the clone wars they basically comitted war crimes... at least obi one is infamous for his perfidy (false surrender and false dealing under truce which is a real world war crime since it hurt the long term trust in truces meaning there will be less option for peaceful resolutions to conflicts....)

People always blame the Jedi, in the Old Republic when they did not want to fight the Mandalorians, they where to blame to be pasive in the Galaxy, and in the Clone Wars when they did fight for the Republic and what it stands for, the were seen as warriors not peace keepers.

@theguybehindyou4762

7 ай бұрын

Biased detractors are a universal problem.

When Obi Wan tells Anakin , "My allegiance is to the Republic ! To Democracy !! " that's says it all , their allegiance should be to the force and its will

SWTOR-era Jedi taking control of the Republic military during the war against the Sith: *Laughing their asses off*

*"We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers."* _Meanwhile, all of the Jedi were made and acting as Generals and Commanders..._ The Jedi in the past have had a 50/50 situation regarding joining the Republic and its wars. Sometimes, it was necessary, other times it was foolish, and every now and then, NOT joining also ended up with disaster as well. During the Prequel Era, the Jedi were trapped in a box with no way out; Palpatine had out-maneuvered them before the War even began. If they joined the Seperatists, they'd have been destroyed. If they refused to participate in the war, they'd have been destroyed by the Republic. And by joining the Republic in the war, they were still undoubtedly going to be destroyed by that same Republic.

Is there a place to vote for best star wars channels? Dig your work stupendous wave. The way you include legends cannon novel and comics ntm your narrator is easy to listen to/follow

You forgot the part where the Jedi learned from that Mandalorian war that the Jedi actively involved themselves with the clone wars. Not to mention that Jedi were supposed to be near prescient. Not sensing the clone wars and sensing the dark side cloud is already a red flag.

I feel like Windu pushed many Jedi especially council members to lead as generals. He was the most arrogant Jedi of all of course

@Hemskelol

7 ай бұрын

He was the most arrogant Jedi of all, after Dooku left the order.

Jedi at war have to find a balance between the light and the dark

I now finally understand. Thank you.

“Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory.”

The Jedi were in a catch 22, if they didn't participate, then Dooku would have been free to commit even more atrocities than he did, and the Republic would have turned on them. Possibly accelerating their demise while causing more Jedi to defect to Dooku and the separatists. Or doing as Revan had done, going to war without the blessing of the order, and prolonging the conflict. If they got involved, they would be able to in theory quell the war more quickly but then open themselves up to massive losses and all the problems you mentioned.

@theguybehindyou4762

7 ай бұрын

The best option would have been to act sooner by taking a more aggressive approach to the Trade Federation after they attempted to kill two Jedi negotiators. They could have nipped that in the bud and uncovered Palpatine’s conspiracy then and there.

Finally he was right about something thank you very much for 📖 reading

This video has been interesting so far, but it raises a question that I have a concern with what would’ve happened if the Jedi would’ve never partaking in the great galactic war, or in the Jedi Civil War, or even more when the galaxy was thrown into a three way war against the republic The reconstituted, Sith empire and the eternal empire what would’ve happened if the Jedi stayed out of all of these wars, how would the galaxy look like as a result? Because the Jedi stayed out of these conflicts.

@theguybehindyou4762

7 ай бұрын

It would look a lot more Sithy

Can you make these longer

Obi Wan is near enough my favourite character, even my xbox GT is named after him but Obi Wan is wrong about the clones and a lot of other things and I firmly believe he was one of the reasons Anakin turned to the dark side.

I think he speaks from pov because others have passages that always mentions the force. They cannot tell what the force wants all at once because it comes to them in different ways

I’m glad I found this video before anyone could finish watching it even

Any of those suitcases in beskar?

@Hungary_0987

7 ай бұрын

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It's interesting that Kenobi was the one who said this. And I think it also makes sense. He was a very bright person.

Just illustrates the insidiousness of Palpatine's plan. He didn't just destroy the physical Jedi, he also destroyed their reputation.

Jedi was in the Damn if they did, Damn if they don't situation. Jedi naturally abhor War because of all of the baggage War carries. Palpatine regardless of what Jedi did, would screw them over given the nature of the clone wars

Lucas has said that the unbalance to the Force that Anakin was supposed to fix was caused by the Jedi.

You forget even Yoda and Skywalker and other masters said the Jedi should never have been involved in the clone wars and that the Jedi we're too close to the Republic Senate and Yoda even said that the Jedi s time would be not long Yoda said that the shroud of darkness had fallen on the order .

It’s interesting, 2 Jedi orders have had the force turn on them, one was revans, in revans case they should have joined a war and did not, revans Jedi who turned to the dark side, did join the war however they likely would not have had the order not turned there back on them, during the clone wars they had become servants of the senate and the republic a corrupt entity, they became generals no longer keepers of the peace and no longer servants to the will of the force

I’d like to think Qui Gon rubbed off heavily on Obi Wan.

Would it be fair to say that Ventris and Maul were closer to what the Jedi should have been after they realised they were used as tools for Palpatines plans?

I wonder why I no one sees this side as the jedi were in a no win situation which in part was of their own making. Over time the jedi allowed themselves to become aligned with the Republic instead of remaining independent of the Republic and maintain the peace keeper status they were intend on. They could have had to face the possibility of fighting on two fronts in a war. Choices have consequences.

Palpatine sort of tricked the Jedi into becoming Dark Jedi

A jedi role during war is to do everything in order to come to a complete resolution to the conflict without violence

The only way they could've survived would have been to disappear and become a secret society.

@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy

7 ай бұрын

That's basically what the order 66 survivors did.

Agree with Obi-Wan's reflections on the Jedi

It forced them to go against their principles of being peacekeepers. Part of that job is not getting involved with open warfare.

This video deserves A “bro, Star Wars isn’t real” award

01:25 - Oooh 😮 I like that mini "space age" suitcase.

I think that the clone Wars absolutely annihilated the principles of the Jedi order which was part of the plan destroy them from within

Ironic because it is a rescue of Obi Wan, after his clumsy investigation, is what forced jedi to join war (since so many of them was killed in that op there was no going back). And who authorized rescue of that scale using simultaneously jedi and military assets while totaly fucking up coordination? Yoda probably, that little green war criminal with speech impediment

Hind sight is 20 20

But the Jedi during the Old Republic lead the Republic military and navy against the Sith empire. Given the events of the Clone war, Separatists being lead by a Sith, the war crimes of general Grievous, known practices of slavery, and the start of the war originated with the Separatists attempting the execute two Jedi and a Republic Senator after it was discovered that they were creating an army to attack the Republic. The Jedi can't really be criticised too much for siding with the republic

Dooku is the visible cause for this. If the Sith were not strongly involved, the Jedi would have not gotten so involved.

IF THAT alone dictated what they was then guess what.. Kenobi wasn't EVER a Jedi then an they hadn't been for several Millennium then. WHY did he think they ever had Force Swords or whatever weapons an have MANY different Saber forms . Of which HE himself was the absolute Master of one... One CAN'T at all fight and destroy Evil if your NOT willing to war with it as THAT is a Fight in it's simplest form and interpretation. Like the saying goes if your not potentially dangerous an willing to use Force when required your also then NOT harmful or threatening to anything.. your in Truth HARMLESS.

At first, I found it weird that the Jedi, a religious order, were all automatically given the rank of General, in spite of not being official military. Then I realized something. They weren't fighting as generals of the republican army. In fact, the Republic wasn't even fighting. The Clone Wars were between the Separatists and the Jedi order. The clones were ordered from Kamino in the name of the Jedi order, and the Jedi never sold them to the Republic. (Oh and by the way, this means the Jedi were casually practicing slavery.)

Where the Jedi fuck is the fact they’re made as generals or on the front lines. Jedi should strictly be put in special forces roles or similar to UN peace Keepers strictly providing aid and protecting refugees. This in my opinion is the only way the jedi could be used in war without mass problems to bite them in the ass.

Palpatine was using the force to manipulate the jedi. Otherwise they were too easy.

The Dark side is not evil. It is a tool to be used against the enemies of the Force. Fueled by Passion, but tempered by Compassion. It is the role of the Sith to wage war and it is the role of the Jedi to guide them towards a Just one. Hopefully someday our world's people will come to realize that balance can't be found alone in dark nor light.

@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy

7 ай бұрын

It is evil. It's stolen power that has been corrupted by the sith. Only the light is the force, and the dark side unbalances it.

@westington1

7 ай бұрын

The Force is there to balance out the Darkness that already existed in the galaxy, as the dark (selfishness, lust for power, evil acts), is inherently present among sentient beings. People abusing the force for their own ends is a cancer in the force which it wants to rid itself of. So the force is light, and with the darkside removed (the corruption of the force), the force provides the balance against the darkness of the galaxy. I think the EU confused a lot of people as to the nature of the force per George Lucas’s vision, but it is stated in the films what balance means (no darkside, not balance between light and dark), and Lucas has talked about this many times

@Kazuma11290

7 ай бұрын

​@@westington1 I'm not beholden to one timeline nor one man's vision. I've seen much and have shaped my own opinions. Just as Darkness is inherently present, so is Light in the form of Hope, Joy, and Love. The Force doesn't change who we are, it only reveals it. Love itself is proof that there's no pre-determined state for the Force. As it's lead many beings with or without the Force to Darkness or Light. Power is foolish without Wisdom, and Wisdom is useless without Power. How much of one or another an individiual needs depends on their own point of view.

Agreed. The Jedi Order is monastic and should have stuck to meditating with the Force in pursuit of Enlightenment and such, and stayed away from Worldliness drama. So, the Lucas premise of a whole Jedi Order losing their basic, fundamental path is an unrealistic conceit. He should have made it a Samuri Order and not monks.

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@jameswebb5228

7 ай бұрын

"General Kenobi" I shall reply

The Republic and the Empire both deserved to fall.

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Is it just for me or did KZread Premium not scrub the advertisement from 1:04 to 2:22? I'm thinking they were lying when they said it was ad free.

Why does it say that there is already 1 comment when this is the first one.

The Jedi became the law enforcement arm for the republic at the end of the last Ruusan war. A thousand years of "keeping the peace" solidified that. The fact that their temple sat atop a Sith temple that sat atop a dark nexus enured them to the darkness around them and obscured the path they were taking. By the time of the Clone Wars it only seemed natural that they become war leaders as well.

Jedi are great people , they do no terror

Oh and I‘m the first viewer even tho I‘m the 2nd like? How the chosen one is this possible?

@davidhannum9017

7 ай бұрын

Most channels now have memberships, members view videos before it's released for those of us that don't want to pay to support channels. Therefore it's highly likely the first like was either from a channel member or someone who hit like without watching

I completely agree. Clone Wars were abomination of the Force. Of peace and justice. Obi-Wan is completely right. Revan was completely right to go to war with Mandalorians. He gathered few Jedi,group turned the tide,gave Republic Army time to reorganize,recuperate and Mandalorians were defeated. They were completely smashed to be precise. Dooku was completely right to fight for Serenno,his home. It took little time and he completely succeeded.. Jedi had no right to fight Separatists. It was political dispute. Republic should have form it's own army,like you said. Separatists just wanted to secede from the Republic. Many of the worlds just wanted equal rights,peace,freedom,justice. Especially one prestigious senator from Separatist space. Her son helped Ahsoka on Naboo. Jedi were servants of the Republic,of the Senate. They were sword of the galaxy. It would be completely different if Separatists atracked Republic worlds. May the Force be with you too😊Sterling Pacific looks very nice😁

Sith only ratle the cage they don't rule the night

Day 281 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

Star Wars is unwatchable to me now so boring

Obi-Wan was exactly right, but that was the point of tbe Clone Wars. Sure Palpatine was trying to corrupt Anakin and the Republic his goal at the end as far as the Jedi goes was to show just how stagnant they had become, enough so that a genuinely good Jedi Master turned to the Sith as his valid concerns for how the corrupt the senate were largely ignored, and then if they'd of taken a step back and not get involved in the Clone Wars then their own clones wouldn't of gunned down nearly every Jedi.