That man Obi-Wan is a master of the trolling arts. The man literally switched to form IV ataru just to frustrate Vader. No one does it better than Kenobi.

@fatshinobi

Жыл бұрын

I honestly think this is what he was thinking. All Obi-Wan wanted to do was to delay Vader. So, he just tried everything he could to fraustrate him.

@theBussyman6281

Жыл бұрын

Fax

@brendancolon2955

Жыл бұрын

He planned it out. Simple stuff like him doing flips so Vader can use stamina to walk after him was a game changer

@stevendefazio7253

Жыл бұрын

It was done to try and get Vader to be reminded of the days he was on the light side. Using his own tricks with the saber. To bring anakin out

@jDRODRIGUEZ1113

Жыл бұрын

I'm better

It also explains why when they meet in another nine years, Vader is more cautious and measured. He knows Obi Wan can flip on a moment's notice to be dangerously aggressive so he doesn't rush in

@fowlplayzproductions

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Vader was probably thinking “is this old man gonna whip out form 5 now??”

@coppertopv365

Жыл бұрын

I dont understand people saying old Ben Vs Vader is meaningless, or pointless, or "stupid" now after this show. I see it as A distraction, and a way to be joined with the force, I think old ben was close to death anyway. But yes I think Vader was cautious, of the master obi wan, but he hasn't felt him or heard of him in sometime and maybe thought he was dead. Obi wan was very clever.. and once he sacrificed himself an joined the force.. I'm sure vader had a visit..

@ndogg6847

Жыл бұрын

Obi wan found a slight height difference in the tiles and Vader with his robotic eyes saw the slightly inclined of 4%degree and knew it could loose it all this time

@cyqry

Жыл бұрын

@@fowlplayzproductions "Wait, why do I feel my dark side being used against me?"

@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325

Жыл бұрын

Plus he was guarding his life support, that was on his chest.. look at Vader's stance in a New Hope. Talk about having a Target on your chest lol

This was expected. Obi-Wan is an experienced swordsman. There's a reason he attained the rank of Master. He knows when to stay on the defense and when to go on the offense. Doing the latter would require him to switch from Soresu to another form like Ataru. If Obi-Wan had just stuck to Soresu for an entire fight against another experienced swordsman like Vader, that I would have found surprising.

@VoldoronGaming

Жыл бұрын

If in this fight he stuck with Soresu Vader would have won.

@ryandavis8658

Жыл бұрын

He used Soresu on the Mustafar duel. But Vader got over confident.

@WonderfulHayden

Жыл бұрын

@@VoldoronGaming I think that Vader started off expecting Obi-Wan to be weak like in the third episode on Mapuzo and to be reliant on Soresu. Then partway through the fight, it finally dawned on Vader that Obi-Wan was essentially back to full form and was more on the offensive than usual, so Vader switched from the cavalier one-handed grip he had also used with Reva to a two-handed grip on his saber.

@suryadeepguha6345

Жыл бұрын

That's why he was counter attacking aggressively which is the only way to defeat vader using atary

@alexgrainger8948

Жыл бұрын

i feel like him being master doesnt have anything to do with him winning the duel he was top 3 most powerful jedi in the council along with Yoda & Mace Windu, Anakain Skywalker ROTS or Darth Vader in obi wan were both more powerful than any of the Jedi masters on the council outside of those 3 & both ROTS Anakin & Vader were both more powerful than Obi Wan but Obi was the master of Anakin knew his vulnearabilities & was able to invoke emotions that make Vader or Anakin weak which is why he cudnt beat Obi Wan in his prime until a new hope when Obi Wan isnt in his prime & Vader lets go of his emotions so he can best any version of Obi Wan.

This is the coolest thing to me. When I saw this, I realized immediately that Obi-Wan changed up his style. Even being *the* master of soresu wouldn't be enough to stop the sheer power and cunning of Vader. We saw a bit of it earlier in the season, though Obi was much weaker, he tried to play it defensive and Vader steamrolled him. His only hope was to jump in and swap strikes to try and create an opening because he couldn't afford to wait for one. For most Jedi, this would be suicide, but not for Obi-Wan Kenobi. He had just enough skill, just enough power, just enough cunning, and just enough heart to pull through and topple the juggernaut of Darth Vader. Love this fight❣️

@wruenvadam

Жыл бұрын

It is ultimately his acceptance that gave him the strength he needed. Accepting the loss of Anakin, Qui-gon, and most off all accepting himself and his mistakes so that he can finally start moving forward again. This duel shows that he has risen above his past, while Vader is still steeped in it. All Vader's feelings, his hate are him not letting go, and I think this fight shows that above anything else. The same thing is shown in that fight vs Maul, "Look what I have risen above." A line that is shown rather than said here and I absolutely love it. Couldn't have done it better personally.

@MrDumdumkilla

Жыл бұрын

I bet you write fan fiction and say it's Canon 🤣🤣🤣

@Strongmount

Жыл бұрын

@@MrDumdumkilla How did you know?!😱

@I666I

Жыл бұрын

@@Strongmount Touch grass

@Strongmount

Жыл бұрын

@@I666I I keep a patch growing in a pot on my desktop🤓

Two more important notes: 1. Obi-Wan used this same tactic against Count Dooku in Revenge of the Sith, first using Form III to lure Dooku into a false sense and quickly using Form !V as a sort of surprise attack. 2. Form IV is most effective by allowing the Force to flow though one's body to overcome one's own shortcomings(as with Master Yoda). The Force would actually aid you in your movements and your attacks so you can better attack your enemy. And in the beginning of this fight, we see Obi-Wan's connection to the Force still strained despite his heroic actions at Fortress Inquisitorius. It wasn't until he let go of his demons and remembered why he was truly fighting(for Leia and Luke) was he able to fully restore his connection to the Force and why he became the victor in the second half of the duel.

@yrooxrksvi7142

Жыл бұрын

Actually, Obi Wan switched from Form I Shii Cho to Form IV in Revenge of The Sith......And it backfired.

@kylepollard9862

Жыл бұрын

@@yrooxrksvi7142 Right, my mistake. I never caught that.

@yaddle92

Жыл бұрын

Actually actually he also changed to Form III when Dooku was waiting him to jump over a strike and suddenly Obi-Wan elegantly blocked it with minimal effort. That confused Dooku. He was trying to slice Kenobi in two in the middle of the jump he expected to happen.

@kylepollard9862

Жыл бұрын

@@yaddle92 I'll have to watch the fight again, but what Dooku expected makes sense. Dooku's Form II style is effective by going for his enemies legs, forcing them to jump, where he can easily strike them and cut them up before they even hit the ground.

@JamesJones-mt9co

Жыл бұрын

No the plan to defeat count dooku was created by Anakin and this is in the books Anakin use shien and obi wan used form 1 and once after count dooku fell for it obi One slip back into form three and Anakin slip back into form five Djem So variant. This is exactly why I can't stand the Obi-Wan Kenobi series if this is what people need to understand Obi-Wan knows Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader. And because he is so familiar with his formal Padawan and despite what people think deep within Darth Vader and it can still lives but Obi one weak ass can't sense Anakin at all. That is how that is the reason why he's able to defeat I should say the second main reason why he's able to defeat Darth Vader

I noticed this immediately. Obi-wan's action rolls were a bit out of character for his normal form, and his hits on Vader's chest plate were exactly like Qui-Gon back-handing Maul on Naboo. It was a great tactical choice.

@GC0077

Жыл бұрын

Great call!!

Kenobi also moved the duel from the open plain, where Vader could use his reach advantage, into the rock canyon, where Vader was even hitting the cliff faces several times with his lightsaber. Also points to Vader's loss of control, because the best lightsaber duelist wouldn't be swinging wildly into a wall!

@RepublicConstitution

Жыл бұрын

Vader and Luke both do that.

@fdfgaming9076

Жыл бұрын

Vader can't move his arms good because of the suit

@armaniwebb4467

Жыл бұрын

@@fdfgaming9076 false

@xthax9718

Жыл бұрын

Apparently vader’s suit has lag

@drishalballaney6590

Жыл бұрын

@@xthax9718 Vader be fighting at 200 ping

Kenobi later outsmarted Vader in the Death Star. Knowing he could no longer hold against Vader for much longer, yet distracting him enough and instilling caution if his hidden power to allow Vader's kids get away.

@evanmisejka4062

Жыл бұрын

I fully believe that Obi-Wan would have won again. Because as long as there is a little bit of Anakin left in Vader, there is still that weakness. I'm not saying that either are weak, I'm suggesting that he couldn't reach his full power because of his torment. If he chose completely Vader her would have been very much more powerful, and if her never turned he would have been the most powerful Jedi.

@jDiddyi

Жыл бұрын

You forgot. They knew Kenobi wasn't trying to escape. Thats why the stormtrooper's aim was so bad and why the ship was tracked. Every option was covered except for the 1 in infinity miracle that Vader's own child would not only be as prodigious as he was in the force but as a pilot as well.

@91rumpnisse

Жыл бұрын

Anakin's children. Not Vader's.

@davidbrooks1753

Жыл бұрын

@@91rumpnisse one and the same

@austinlevreault6211

Жыл бұрын

Obi-Wan threw that fight. He could have smoked Vader. It was a bigger FU to the Darth to use the Force Ghost Cheat Code and enter God mode.

Kenobi putting Vader of all people on the defensive in the second half of the fight and then going for the suit with his saber's hilt was ingenious; I want to see more of this aggressiveness from the master of defense.

@MrBottlecapBill

Жыл бұрын

Actually going for the suit controls with the light saber blade would have been genius. Using the hilt was plot. ;) Nothing was stopping him frim making a cut using the same motion he did slam with instead. That's just lame movie fighting lol.

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill it wasn’t. His saber was flipped that way. He wouldn’t have been able to turn it around in time

@jebalitabb8228

Жыл бұрын

@@oXRaptorzXo that's just copium, it's okay that it was for plot reasons no one cares as long as it was cool (which it was)

@Lennis01

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill The reason the hilt strike works is because most opponents wouldn't be expecting it. If it's good enough for Maul vs. Qui-Gon, why wouldn't it be for Obi-Wan vs. Vader?

@thevegastan

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill And Force users use the Force to sense the plasma blade. So that explains. If Obi-Wan was making his blade point away from Vader, he wouldn't have expected a strike with the hilt to come through to his chest plate. To me, that was great writing in sticking to the mechanics of The Force right there.

I respect obi-wan more and more each day, this season really helped connect ep3 and ep4 together very well for me

This is why I love this universe. When they actually have good writers and producers making the show, they are able to use more than just dialog to tell the story. There's just as much storytelling and lore in the fight scenes as the ones with spoken dialog. These are very subtle details that only true Star Wars fans would know to include.

@leonrussell9607

Жыл бұрын

Copium

@aftamath86

Жыл бұрын

@@leonrussell9607 if you're not a star wars fan just say it.

@leonrussell9607

Жыл бұрын

@@aftamath86 I love star wars, empire is my favourite film of all time but that doesn't change the fact that Disney is running it into the ground time and time again, they've made it clear that they don't like star wars and kenobi is proof of that

@aftamath86

Жыл бұрын

@@leonrussell9607 this show was much better made than either of the last two trilogies, to include the prequels not made by Disney. I'm no Disney fan boy but I give credit where credit is due and these TV shows have been well made thus far.

@leonrussell9607

Жыл бұрын

@@aftamath86 kenobi was just rip offs and references held together by bad writing and directing

I'm sure that I'm not only speaking for others & my self, but I appreciate the lengths you go to explain the depths of the Star Wars saga..

@isoSw1fty

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@danspearo6893

Жыл бұрын

yeah hes the best by a country mile

@TenInfi

Жыл бұрын

the depths of Disney stupidity* there was obviously no thought about any lightsaber forms, but fans will explain everything (I hope that this video is ironic)

@oXRaptorzXo

Жыл бұрын

@@TenInfi man didn’t even watch the video. Also, yeah it was on purpose. It’s not an accidental thing. Do you actually believe that Disney can’t do anything? Has relentlessly hating brought you to that point? They have people who choreograph these fights, and they very clearly show him switch. What did you want him to do, go, “I am now switching my fighting style to form IV?”

@TenInfi

Жыл бұрын

@@oXRaptorzXo xD! Fanboys be like: you didn't even watch the video, why don't you swallow our fanboy explanation of events using obscure things that nobody at series production knows or cares about! You're delusional. OFC they have choreographers at place, but they don't know about Shitesu or any lightsaber forms. Heck, even Lucas was like "well, let's do this thing just like that, it has to have a meaning, but we'll figure it out later". There was no grand scheme besides the main plot. So, yeah, nobody cares but you, fanyboys. Fight needed to look cool for a series, that's all.

I don't think that is all: I think Kenobi probably realized that form 3 wasn't the best option against someone who can't move well but instead relies on their brute strength - Kenobi got a sample of Vader's fighting style in their first duel. A more acrobatic style seems like the most logical way to fight someone like Vader. This worked relatively well for Ahsoka also in Rebels.

@xxEmmankunnArt

Жыл бұрын

also, Anakin knew Obi-Wan as Soresu user, he probably doesn't knew that he can also use Ataru

@trekstarsam2494

Жыл бұрын

@@xxEmmankunnArt Right. After the death of Qui Gon, Obi Wan switched over to Form III and used it all throughout the clone wars. Little Anakin probably never saw his master using form IV.

@KS-xk2so

Жыл бұрын

I thought something similar too. When Obi Wan was in top shape NOTHING could crack the shield of his Form 3, even Anakin's Djemo So... in fact it was the perfect counter, since it weathered all of Anakin's power strikes on Mustafar until he could capitalize on a mistake, as he did. When they meet back up again on the mining planet 10 years later, Obi Wan is older, much less in shape and in tune with his force powers, let alone his fighting forms. He tries to fall into Form 3 again, but this is an endurance Form, and he doesn't have that anymore... plus Vader's new style is EVEN more strength and power based than previously, using his cybernetics and the weight of his armor to deliver incredibly powerful blows. He hammers Obi Wan all over that mine colony. However, his armor means he is much less mobile than Anakin was. Combine this with Obi Wan's lack of precision now, Form 4 is the perfect attacking choice, as its all about mobility and improvising attacks. Whoever choreographed this is a genius, and clearly a big fan.

He always knew how to adapt to various situations. Seems like a lot of Jedi learned what they could and then their abilities leveled off and they stayed the same with no real growth. Kenobi was constantly evolving

@jonsnow947

Жыл бұрын

That's because Kenobi was not naturally gifted with any special ability or skill he was the example of a jedi working hard could reach the top.

@PinkyJujubean

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsnow947 excellent point. It is different when you gotta develop your abilities instead of being born with them

@Lennis01

Жыл бұрын

@@jonsnow947 It's not just a question of hard work. Jedi in general never shy away from training. What makes Obi-Wan a great Jedi is that he doesn't rely solely on the Force or traditional techniques. He uses his brain. For many Jedi of the Clone Wars era and the generations prior, skill in the Force is the most important thing, and little thought is given to actually thinking and considering alternatives. It was one of the reasons the Jedi were so utterly blindsided by Order 66. There is no question in my mind that Obi-Wan Kenobi makes the best possible use of the skills he has better than any other Jedi, even more powerful ones.

@magicalmanfromwonder

Жыл бұрын

Guys playing 4d chess

I actually did notice that Master Kenobi switching lightsaber forms in the episode

@sagittaire_98

Жыл бұрын

Same! Literally from the very first roll, I noticed he switched from defense to offense

@crazyaznub

Жыл бұрын

I thought I was going crazy because of the change, I screaming OBI WAN DOESNT FIGHT LIKE THAT at my monitor😭😭😭

If you notice in the fight , Obi-Wan used a style that Anakin used . The backwards lightsaber twirl was so epic to witness when Obi-Wan used it against his old padawan.

Largely due to your past uploads I could actually tell Kenobi switched to a more aggressive style whilst first watching. ... LoL, ... but, didn't know what style he switched to until this one. - Thanks & sincerely appreciate your time & efforts 🙏👍😃. ... Takes it smooth & be well

Obi Wan changed his tactics because he knew that Vader knew that he(Obi Wan) is a defensive specialist. If Obi Wan did the same thing he did on Mustafar, he would've lost to Vader because he would've expected exactly that, since this literally ruined Vader's live. Obi Wan defended himself with Soresu, switched to Ataru and later in the duel Obi Wan even used Niman's integration of force abilities into lightsaber combat when he bombarded Vader with rocks. Obi Wan once again demonstrated that experience, ingenuity and perseverance can bring even the mightiest to their knees.

the reverse grip obi wan used is shien and the heavy circular parrys followed by a attack is the djem so, kenobi has perfected the lightsaber style anakin and obi wan had in ep 3. not too agressive or overly passive, yet passionate and mindful.

@lindavance5526

Жыл бұрын

Anakin and Obi-Wan had different lightsaber styles, ROTS included.

@kauetadaieski3131

Жыл бұрын

Yes

3:20 I love this tactic because Anakin and Obi Wan did it against Dooku in the revenge of the sith novelization and Obi Wan did it to Maul in rebels

Obi is genius! Form IV was his primary form, that Qui-Gon has taught him, changed to Soresu, which saved his life more than once, but He never unlearned his basics. Going more acrobatic and offensive is the prefect way to overcome a powerful but clumsy enemy, who is unable to hold up with acrobatics like that, because of his overall weight and artifical limbs. Also it is quite funny that he once again trolled an opponent and negated years of training he spent just to get trough Soresu defenses. He should have known! Obi Wan even implemented Ataru Moves back in the day shortly before he dismembered his former apprentice.

I don't know the fighting styles because I never really studied the Star Wars content. I just watched, but I did notice the change in Obi-Wan's aggression during the duel. Thanks for pointing this out! I'm learning so much from your videos!

The best moment for me might have been when Obi-Wan goes for Vader's suit panel. The whole series actually reminded me a lot of the Dark Knight Rises. There's a very similar story of a great hero of the past no longer being needed, languishing in isolation, his skills becoming rusted, but then being forced to come out of hiding for an important mission, only to find his skills greatly diminished and himself woefully unprepared to face the new villain that has emerged, getting absolutely demolished in his first fight with that villain, and then having to build his way back up, let go of his past failures and mental anguish, rediscover their reason to live and fight, and in one case metaphorically, in the other literally, climb out of their pit of despair in preparation for a final epic confrontation with the villain, where he not only uses his regained strength, but also superior tactics to directly attack the villain's main weakness, finally defeating him and restoring himself as the great hero he once was.

I absolutely love the breakdowns from this channel. The time to explain everything and have it all make sense is 👍

Excellent video! You could definitely tell he switch styles. I even thought I saw a few hints of Form II… some of the one-handed grips reminded me of Count Dooku… especially when he was twirling it behind his back to switch hands.

I noticed he was much more aggressive, but honestly I think he just realized that Soresu wasn't going to work against Vader because Vader would never tire because of his bodily enhancements. Soresu is meant to tire an opponent, but Vader is part robot.

@msmaria5039

5 ай бұрын

Don't you mean he's more machine than man?

Amazing video man. I love how u actually break down the fight in a lore centered way. Man you j make it so interesting with how you say it. The words you choose. It doesn’t sound like a news report but like a story each time

Very detailed explanation! I don't think anyone else in YT has explained these as detailed as you did

Thank you for the breakdown, very interesting. I'm too much of a casual pleb to recognize lightsaber forms, but I definitely noticed a shift during the second half of the duel when he started busting out those Anakin-style moves. I honestly thought he was tapping into the dark side a little bit (attachment, passion) as he was stuck in that pit, drawing power from his renewed purpose to protect the twins.

From what I understand about the way Soresu works is you make the shape of a little bunny with your left hand to distract your adversary.

@leemahon1

Жыл бұрын

🤣

This was really well done content. Thank you.

thanks, after watch the final episode i was expecting this video about the switch of the forms. Good Video!

I really want to say thank you for all your positivity and information about Star Wars. Your channel is one of my favorite Star Wars KZread channels. I refuse to watch Star Wars Theory or Den of Nerds or Geeks and Gamers, Angry Joe and Ozzy Jedi because of their negativity with Star Wars and how they whine and complain about everything and they are now turning into anti-Star Wars channels. Keep up the great work and May the Force be with You! Thank you for being one of the positive Star Wars channels on KZread.

@user-ln8bj4ze4c

Жыл бұрын

In fairness those channels praise Star Wars when it's good. Disney deserve to be called out for their various mistakes with Star Wars.

@joshuawhitson135

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8bj4ze4c I absolutely agree with what you're saying here buddy

@user-ln8bj4ze4c

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuawhitson135 Thanks man. I hate this notion from some that Star Wars fans should accept whatever Disney serves us up regardless of quality. If they are serving up below par content, they deserve to be criticised for it.

@joshuawhitson135

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ln8bj4ze4c and again I agree I believe that George set a particular bar of expectations that should be easily met if you are a true Star wars fan if you're taking over the rights you know what I mean I'm not saying all of Disney's stuff with Star wars is crappy but it's not all good either and you hit it right on the head by stating that I believe that if they fall short with the fans that they should be told about that so next time they come out with something it would be better with more meaning

I noticed Obi-Wan using force elements so I assumed he was using a Niman variant. I like the Stupendous Wave theory better though.

Your comments and observations in this video are excellent. I think this may be one of your best videos. I loved it.

im not very educated about the forms but i realized the change in pace instantly and totally loved it. i knew a video like this would appear, thanks for the facts!

I immediately recognized him switching to Qui Gon's ataru when he faced Maul in rebels as he shifted stances in the beginning of the dual.. Remember saying that's bad ass as he did that. Did not necessarily know he was using Ataru By the end ofHis 2nd duel with Vader but definitely definitely recognized a far more offensive fighting style. Obi Wan is the man

i did! i saw the transition and I was in complete awe!. Thanks for the breakdown!

I loved this video! And I knew something was different!! Omg you jus blew my mind :) this gives that duel a deeper meaning. I just love it

When I was competing in martial arts, I learned alternate forms. That way if my opponent studied me, they would be wrong. I could also switch styles mid fight and confuse them even more.

Dooku would probably appreciate Vader’s single-hand lightsaber combat form

@kingandros4819

Жыл бұрын

Lol dooku would see it as clumsy. Heavy handed. Unrefined and a mockery of form 2.

@xsad7250

Жыл бұрын

He would see vader himself as an abomination he hates cybernetics

@mercury2157

Жыл бұрын

@@kingandros4819 funnily enough, I'm pretty sure if they fought, Dooku would get steamrolled by Vader's strength, Force power, more refined use of the environment, and preexisting understanding of Dooku's fighting style

@macwelch8599

Жыл бұрын

@@mercury2157 that’s probably true

@kingandros4819

Жыл бұрын

@@mercury2157 absolutely not. Dooku would outclass vader easily in dueling alone. Its well known that vaders prothesis had a synaptic delay. The time between the unconscious thought of moving and the actual movement were so far delayed, that vader could not use djem so properly. All dooku would have to do is engage vader in saber to saber combat and hit him with force lightning. Vader is incapacitated immediately. Fight over.

Such a great video, it's the little details that make Star Wars so great!

Cool breakdown! Love content like this!

I Liked the part where Obi Wan threw those big rocks at Vader with the Force : )

@jotheunissen9274

Жыл бұрын

Blasters are so uncivilised but throwing rocks is just fine

@Knightfaller

Жыл бұрын

it’s supposed to give Vader the idea to use the force to throw objects at his enemies, most seen in TESB where he throws objects at Luke

@jotheunissen9274

Жыл бұрын

@@Knightfaller r/woooosh

It was really great to be able to figure these things out on our own, to have the little things change instead of just fight fight fight oh well someone lost. Obi-Wan has a visual shift in stance and demeanor when changing styles, and it was very clear in the show that he wasn’t fighting the was he usually did. It was a great show of intent behind their actions by the director.

That was really good, enjoyed watching this analysis

This is one of the best videos out there about this subject, hands down.

That's actually a cool bit of info, I'd thought the duel seemed much too easy and I'm not the most adept at picking up on styles like some but this makes a lot of sense actually as Qui Gon died before Anakin ever had a chance to experience his particular style

Obi Wan switched lightsaber hands behind his back. Had he ever done this anywhere before? It seemed more like an Anakin move, did he do it to troll him?

@mocha9072

Жыл бұрын

I caught that when I watched it for the first time then I had to explain to my girlfriend but I meant by "he went southpaw". I think he did it purely because Anakin never really trained with him left-handed so it made Obi-Wan less predictable.

@Mikhail-Stark

Жыл бұрын

That is an Ataru defensive move.

Yes I picked up on the change of style, but I wasn't sure which style. Thank you for this beautiful explication, makes perfect sense.

Good job sir this video is amazing!! You did good

honestly, im pretty sure the show writers just forgot his style was *defensive*

You conveniently skipped the part when Vader buried Obi-Wan even after the switch in forms. The moment he reconnects with the Living Force was the key to the victory not the change in fighting styles.

@nathanaelheil2818

Жыл бұрын

He was still doing exceptionally well against Vader.

@maffew859

Жыл бұрын

Pedophilia

Thanks for this. It's always revelatory how much thought actually goes into these lightsaber duels.

Outstanding breakdown!!

I didn't catch that he swapped forms but it makes sense since Obi-Wan knows Anakin. In their first duel on Mustafar, Obi-wan has already fully perfected the Form for lightsaber combat but what also gave him the edge was that he knows Anakin's fighting style since they were like brothers. Strategically, it was brilliant to swap forms since Obi-wan probably went under the assumption that Vader had trained to fully counter Soresu. This was explained in the flashback when Obi-wan tells Anakin his need for victory blinds him. Its a lesson that has ultimately costed Anakin, now Vader, two duels.

@VoldoronGaming

Жыл бұрын

Except this is not the same Anakin. Vader is hampered by his suit so Vader had to alter his combat style entirely. Mostly Anakin relies upon his lightsaber skill.. Post Mustafar vader relies more on force skill...still mostly light saber skill but coupled with more force use than pre-mustafar.

@Th3og0ny

Жыл бұрын

@@VoldoronGaming its true that Vader had to alter his Lightsaber form but his natural sense of aggression (his style of combat) never went down post-Mustafar.

@jDiddyi

Жыл бұрын

It still doesn't make sense that Vader couldn't handle it. Being the grandmaster's preferred style, Ataru became one of the most popular forms for Jedi that knew what they were doing. He should have a decade worth of experience countering that form, yet gets overwhelmed by someone who just left retirement.

Haven't watched the video yet, but I just wanted to say, I definitely felt like Obi-Wan wasn't using Soresu in his fight against Vader, but it kinda felt to me at the time like it wasn't a choice made by design. Like they just choreographed the fight without doing their research and taking into account that Obi-Wan has a very defensive fighting style. That's how it appeared to me when I watched, but I'm glad there might actually be a genuine in lore explanation for what he was doing.

@davyfromthenavy4248

Жыл бұрын

But upon watching the full video and rewatching the fight, Ican definitely see how this was a deliberate choice, you can see the point in the fight where Obi-Wan switches it up and puts Vader on the back foot.

@royox

Жыл бұрын

Nah, it was a deliberate choice. You can see how Obi begins super deffensive and Vader overwhelms him so he has to change his strategy. Vader's weakness is that rage blinds him and lack of mobility so using Ataru as counter was the only option Obi had.

Awesome video. LOVED it

Excellent analysis as always.

What if Ashoka went to Mandalore with Obi-Wan and Anakin?

@NikolakiH

Жыл бұрын

Then maul probably wouldn't have shown up again in Rebels

@jotheunissen9274

Жыл бұрын

You mean What if Anakin and Obi-Wan went to Mandalor with Ahsoka? More or less the same question but Ahsoka was going in both cases, Anakin and Obi Wan would tag along

@mercury2157

Жыл бұрын

@@NikolakiH Rebels would very likely not even exist. Maul should know that he wouldn't be able to handle all three of them, and under the right circumstances (and assuming Anakin doesn't just murder him as revenge for Qui-Gon), they could probably use him to testify against the Sith

I think there should be some real consideration of Obi-Wan being three greatest duelist of all time. Grevious, Maul, Anikan, and Vader are just some of the names of notable wins. He might have not been as "powerful in the force" as other Jedi but he always got the W. That alone is impressive but also beat "The chosen one" twice. Grevious was a killing machine..lol, but seriously. Grevious was OP and got handled by Obi-Wan. (I know they previously fought so chill fan boys) There's a good argument to be made here for Obi-Wan being the best duelist of all time. If in any way this angers you. Good. You're anger bring me joy and only makes me stronger. Lol. ✌️

@ericseitzler81

Жыл бұрын

Uh dooku would seriously disagree with that one,so would Yoda and mace.he is definitely one of the best but not the best, palpatine would also have something to say on that matter as well.

@trevor3194

Жыл бұрын

I terms of his win to loss ration I think he ranks sorta low, we’ve seen him get beaten again and again, but what arguably makes him the best is his ability to adapt and overcome. Personal I think Count Dooku is the greatest duelist in canon. His form 2 was perfect for taking on opponents. He beat Obi Wan, then he beat Anakin, and then held yoda off after already seeming tired from his fight with our Dynamic Duo. I would have loved to see the Count in his younger days.

@ericseitzler81

Жыл бұрын

@@trevor3194 I heard they are gonna do a young qui Gon jinn and his master dooku show.

@shaunrichardson1581

Жыл бұрын

@@ericseitzler81 I know Dooku beat Obi-Wan in their duel so point their for you. Palpatine and Yoda never duled Obi-Wan to the death and that seems to be when Obi-Wan usually comes out on top. When his life is on the line he pretty regularly got the win.

@shaunrichardson1581

Жыл бұрын

@@trevor3194 a win in a duel in my opinion is who walked away at the end with their life. Obi-Wan survived order 66 and killed arguably some of the greatest duelist of all time. Leaving Vader for dead twice who handled Dooku when he was at Max strength. The same Vader who after showing Dooku his "look mom, I have no hands" trick. Got molly wopped by Kenobi.

I noticed this. Was wondering if any video would address this too! Props to the channel!

Awesome analysis. I didn't notice it before.

Get help. You're no match for him, he's a Sith lord.

@danosullivan4358

Жыл бұрын

Dark is always defeated by the light. Always.

@Gunstonization

Жыл бұрын

"We're *not* doing 'Get Help'..."

Because the producers forgot star wars had light saber forms that's why 😂

@revenge8215

Жыл бұрын

Don’t get me started on the bad writing bro, Vader shouldn’t have lost

@kjmanoni

Жыл бұрын

this is literally the reason.

@revenge8215

Жыл бұрын

@@kjmanoni yup

@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156

Жыл бұрын

@@revenge8215 man that's why i haven't watched it my heart can only take so much star wars abuse 😂 vader losing to obi-wan would not happen he was at his most powerful and force sensitive during the era of the empire.

@revenge8215

Жыл бұрын

@@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156 man it was bad, bro don’t tune in

i was impressed they really displayed this in this episode. great video

Thank you so much! I was wondering if I was the only one who actually noticed the way he utilized the lightsaber combat forms!

No idea why there's so many channels breaking down episodes of such a dog water show. Just puts me to sleep even faster. Yall seriously think these directors care about what's Canon or what actually makes sense in the lore dude ?!! These shows are made to fill a quota , no more no less. There's no real passion put into them.

@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave

Жыл бұрын

Then why watch or comment :)

@TheRagnarokmech

Жыл бұрын

@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave cause we're are all entitled to our opinions sadly. If I have to cope with all these people who apparently know nothing of starwars outside of the cinematic universe praising it , yall can deal with me telling you it's dookie water. Best thing I can say about it is , it's def a show made by Disney. You are all the reason well never get a good starwars movie. Yall are content with vader doing something cool for 10 seconds and sit through 8 hours of crap writing and terrible acting to get to it . At least the comics and video games sometimes get it spot on.

@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRagnarokmech I referring to commenting on this video specfically. The kenobi show as nothing to write home about lets be honest but we are at least trying to take a look at the parts that WERE cool. This fight was pretty cool so we can at least appreciate that right?

@nnbnl8278

Жыл бұрын

Because the show was good. Its star wars after all and if you are such a big fan as you like to say, you should know that pretty much no star wars movie has superb writing or acting.. We watch it for the universe, the stories behind all of it, the lore and because we like to "nerd" about it. Star wars allways had retcons and minor plotholes that were filled up later under lucas and much more "weirder stuff happening for the first time" just because they are cool. Yet somehow people are mad about kenobi series and ignore all the other shit that has happened over the years. Well at least you can sleep easier.

@TheRagnarokmech

Жыл бұрын

@@Archivist_of_Stupendous_Wave yea it was neat. Only part worth watching really. Just wish it didn't take 8 hours to get to. Life is busy and full of work and errands to waste on mediocre television.

Great video! Def noticed that he was more aggressive and he had switched from his usual fighting style, though not being well-versed enough in the specific styles I couldn't pin it down. Props.

did not have a clue about that ,thanks for the vid

Great analysis!

Definitely saw it when I first saw the episode and have been looking at the different light saber styles used.

I did pick up on it!! Great work.

Indeed I did realize. I noticed something was beginning to be different with the saber twirl that led towards him pushing Vader into the rocks, and as you said from then on he was just more aggressive. Didn't notice he was using Quigons particular version however.

Obi wan was always a step ahead of his apprentice. He understood that the mental part of things matters more than anything

I did catch that he changed how he was fighting, thanks for the explanation!

I did not notice that before seeing your video!

Really love your vids dude. Thank you :-)

Great analysis

That’s really observant of you. Great job

Excellent analysis - I think in a way I subliminally saw the change but just didn't realize what it was or what it meant

Love your videos.

I had a feeling Obi-wan changed forms but didn't know which one thank you for the information.

I noticed that he was more aggressive, with many counterblows and parries. But I didn't notice the change in forms. Thank u for pointing it out. U 🐐 that

I knew it. Thanks for making this video

Nice breakdown.

Great video.

I love the behind the back saber trolling

Im normally all about defense & counter , but i loved seeing Obi finally going at Vader with passionate determination.

EPIC content on this channel 😉

been waiting for thiS.

Fascinating! Little tidbits like this are why I am simply a weary acolyte of the Force

This breakdown makes a boring fight a really awesome one, nicely done

Very cool. Thank you for the video. Seeing Qui-Gon was great but I thought I never got to finish his training to put his essence in the Force. He was only able to communicate via voice like in RotS on that scene that was deleted speaking to Yoda when the twins were being born. Great video thank you

Soresu also relys on heavy practice. Thats the defensive posture if i remember well. Thats going to take the most time to perfect, you basically defend and let them make there own mistake or get tired, rather then trying to outright attack or bait mistake outright. Anakins style is more powerful slashes, and he tends to use his aggresiveness to force a mistake, but he also is more creative, anakin while having a extremely power oriented style is also really clever, and uses that to bait out mistakes, like he does to dooku. Obi-wans more of like straight up defending, and patiently waiting for an opening, but to do this you have to have insane stamina, insane reflexes, you basically have to be faster then the person attacking you in order for this to work out in ur favor.

Obi Wan tricking Vader into expecting the wrong fighting style would be very fitting because that was exactly what Obi Wan was doing against Maul in there final battle in the Rebels show. As a very strategic fighter, I can totally see that Obi Wan would do that on top of mentally preparing himself for that battle as we saw in the episode.

The amount of mirroring this duel has with the final kenobi maul duel is just awesome.

I sensed this as well. Great to know that I was on top something.

I'm glad somebody else finally said it.

In and of itself, his pattern of changing styles could arguably be a mental form of soresu. This is his defense: by keeping his opponents off balance, he remains relatively untouchable. A perfect defense.