Interviewer: Luke was using Vaapad wasn't he? Writer: That's cool, yes that's cannon now.

I don’t think his three could actually be called forms 8-10. They are something new, much like his order and self.

@xheralt

7 ай бұрын

The original forms are extinct anyway. There's no-one left alive who knows them well enough to teach them. The styles will have to be reinvented from scratch by practitioner preferences...which is how they came to be in the first place before they were formalized and stylized.

@nategraham6946

7 ай бұрын

@@xheralt Excpet for the other legends survivors of order 66. They probably still knew them quite well, debatably it well enough to teach them. But I do agree with much of your point.

These three styles were seen and used in both Star Wars: Jedi Outcast and Star Wars: Jedi Academy on PC and later various consoles that ported both games. Also, this is what I loved about the old EU. It fleshed out so many things that went beyond the films and left lots of room for characters to grow.

I’m really impressed that Luke was able to master Form V by picking it up during his duel with Darth Vader as opposed to being formally instructed in the discipline

@youngmoneyclutch

7 ай бұрын

fr bro, i also like to think that he naturally inherited muscle memory for some of the lightsaber combat. for example sports science talked about years ago how steph curry already had an advantage in shooting due to his dad, Dell being a great shooter as well

@xheralt

7 ай бұрын

I'd call it a stretch to say he "mastered" it just from that. He'd certainly have the fundamentals of it, though.

@youngmoneyclutch

7 ай бұрын

@@xheralt i would say not mastered but very proficient none the less if he was keeping up with vader at his strongest (despite holding back some) on the second death star

The Devs of Jedi Academy really did a good job with recreating these forms in video game format. They work exactly as described (although Force Speed is just all around helpful in that game but you DO get way better deflection with Fast style and FS combo).

I've heard before that Luke used vaapad. I wonder if this was the source or if there is another source as well.

I like to think that Luke would’ve reinvented or had come up with vaapad on his own. Like he would’ve realized the idea of balance and redirecting energy and the darkness in an opponent by himself through his eu battles.

@mavericknv9534

7 ай бұрын

I thought he figured it out fighting Vader honestly. It kinda fits in a way

I think the new forms are good for a jedi to grow quickly, but not stably. The simplified versions cause them to be incomplete, and each person has to fill them in. But keep in mind, most of these students are newbies. So they're pretty likely to fill in their style with lots of errors.

@bastienbauvineau562

8 ай бұрын

I disagree. They are simplified, yes but they are even more efficient because they are also combined. If you take more attention : Strong Style is a combination of Djem So and Makashi. Djem So/Makashi are incredibly complementary as you can use fully the strength of each without sacrifing any ability of any of the two forms. Same for Fast Style (Ataru/Soresu) which is the combination of the most offensive form and the most defensive form together. Combined, you can focus on natural speed of Ataru/Soresu techniques to create a new form that is efficient both against blasters and in lightsaber combat. Medium Style being a combination of Shii-Cho and Niman means that you can still use the versatility of Niman with the simplicity and efficiency of Shii-Cho, which makes it more intuitive. These new Forms just not allow new Jedi to grow quicker but also stronger as they have better basics than any Padawan from Old Jedi Order and then they still have everything in their hands to build their own form. Look just at Kyle Katarn, he became strong quickly because of these Styles and it is the same for any Jedi from Luke's Order

@127mfan

8 ай бұрын

You misunderstand. The new forms have the *potential* to surpass the old ones. However, they're full of gaps at the beginning. If you study the 7 forms, they're more rigid, however each is a perfected style. There's no: "What should I do here?" Forms 8-10 need to be filled in by each student, and are incomplete until so. This would make the new form users weaker than the old ones, until they've fleshed out their style. And if there's one thing we know about this franchise, it loves throwing as many wars at you as possible. 🤣

@bastienbauvineau562

7 ай бұрын

@@127mfan Still disagree. The old forms weren't perfected. Well, not before many years of training and specializing into it. But in the first years, each Form were simplified. But compared to New Styles, they only efficient in a specific situation. Three Styles are combined Forms so they are efficient already in different situations without spreading too much. That's why I think they are better not only in potential but also for the basics. But that's my opinion

@127mfan

7 ай бұрын

@@bastienbauvineau562 Well, you're free to have your own.

@RevanX77

7 ай бұрын

@@127mfan Arguably the versatility and freedom of the new forms is a strength, not a weakness. A Jedi should allow the Force to guide his movements, not rote adherence to trained motions. This sort of thing is why so many Jedi were mowed down in the Clone Wars by droids, Dark Jedi, and clones, because they lacked adaptability. In comparison Luke's NJO produced Jedi of a far higher average quality than those from the Old Republic, and even some of the greatest duelists of all time.

Question for you guys : what Style would focus on the most ? And what kind of lightsaber form would you built from it ?

@calvink6

8 ай бұрын

I personally would do a mixture of all 3 combining the speed of the fast style with the power of the strong style and create my own defensive blocks as I went using some breakaway blocks to throw my opponents off

@LucianPosey

8 ай бұрын

I’d Prefer Fast Style. & add Form 2 for makashi’s precision, Form 3 Soresu For Defense ,with Ataru I’d use it Tactically in conjunction with the other 2. & I’d be a Jedi Sentinel.

@TheLuconic

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, I would look to Niman but fill the gaps in the form itself. After all, Niman is the longest form to learn, but perhaps if apply this structure to the three forms of Luke skywalker, you’ll create a perfect flow. Actually, I been doing my own combos by being inspired by the lightsaber forms. I created the “flow” form. Or “flow” state. It shares a lot with water and you are able to handle virtually any situation.

@youngmoneyclutch

7 ай бұрын

Form 3 Strong style. I would integrate it with ataru and soresu to make it similar to anakin’s djem so where it was fast paced, but also a stronger defense than shien when focusing on integrating soresu

@bastienbauvineau562

7 ай бұрын

@@LucianPosey Soresu defense and Ataru are already incorpated in Fast Style but mixing it with Makashi is great, creating something really deadly imo

In my opinion I definitely believe that Luke Skywalker had is own version of Mace Windu's Vaapad. If we take a look at Luke's duel against Vader in Return of the Jedi it was that version of Vaapad that overwhelmed Vader when he spoke of Leia turning to the darkside. Luke struck with such speed that Vader could not keep up and he had difficulty countering Luke's strike it was like Vader was seeing 100 or 1000 of Luke's strikes all at once. Luke definitely channeled his darkness into his lightsaber, and even after defeating his father Luke was able to pull himself back from the darkness using his version of Vaapad. He was indeed knowledgeable of it I would say at this point is where he learned it.

I thing I love about star wars is how both Luke and Anakin Skywalker did actual duels of trial by fire with both Dooku and Vader I think Luke should have done the seven forms of lightsaber combat instead because not all stuff was bad from the jedi order

@bastienbauvineau562

7 ай бұрын

It was the best choice because he knew he couldn't train children all their lives as he needed to rebuild a New Order quickly to replace the old one. And he didn't want to train/recruit children anymore and prefer young adults or adults or even people older than him

Excellent video. This video was very informative. May the force be with you.

I dont feel like the 3 new forms are better than the 7 old. But I do feel they're much faster at giving new jedi a good overall basis to build from. when they were started with children to adulthood I think they had much more time to help a padawan find their own very nuanced style they excelled in. With adult students their overall base skill and motorskills started much higher as well so it was much more important to have them get up to snuff quickly

@unlucky7s561

7 ай бұрын

Do not trust your feelings for they will betray you. Trust in the force. Emotions are path to the dark side 👀

My father taught me when I was younger when it comes to combat learn all forms that you can never limit yourself to one style

That's cool. This matches the "Stances" shown in the Dark Forces: Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy games.

Nice work!

This is great idea what Luke did. He created new lightsaber forms. Easier,accessible. I like Makashi and Djem-So. May the Force be with you too😊 Have a great day too😊

All I can think about is the styles were used in Jedi outcast when we played played as Kyle katarn

Be a belta trilogy or tv series if we could see how Luke went from zero to hero

Fast Style: Ataru+Soresu=The Kenobi Form Strong Style: Djem So+Makashi=The Vader Form Medium Style: Niman

I always like to believe that the fights in the original trilogy we're done in slo-mo

I could see Luke using vaa'pad. Though his strong style seem reminiscent of Vader's style.

It's pretty hard to even self teach something with almost NO way to learn it an very rarely or never had anyone to teach you. He may have had a solid grasp of the saber and it's use BUT no way he had years to even Master the most basic an simple of forms. So naturally he'd have to adapt an improvise some of his own styles. In the post Jedi, Old Republic and Empire eras an decades. One can't pass on knowledge and training that they never got themselves. An makes sense he'd take a great many adults as students. Which is a way I think the Old School Yoda Era Jedi failed. Adults that have CHOSEN and determined to be a specific way in life are harder to sway. Especially if their abilities match what an order like the Jedi are looking for. Way harder to corrupt an anger an adult that's seen all the bad the Galaxy has already. Same to turning them Darker side then light of they're determined not to go.. as Palpatine an Vader themselves learned with Luke

Luke really should have thought for more than 2 seconds when coming up with the new form names

LUKE LEGENDS O BRABO, CRIOU UMA ORDEM JEDI MAIS PODEROSA.

I would've never thought that a WWE professional wrestler would be the king of a lightsaber style. Lol However, I have wondered why Darth Vader's use of a unique mix of 3 forms wasn't considered its own lightsaber form. Noting that there is a form that came along as a mix of all the previous forms that had been developed before it.

As George Lucas has stated before, Luke is the best duelist the galaxy has ever seen. I feel like a lot of people dismiss him when compared to Anakin (mortal). They're the same power level in the force, but Luke is the better duelist

My primary would be Makashi, with influences being taken from Juyo, Djem So, and Soresu/Shien. The defensiveness of Soresu and Shien, with the aggression of Djem So and Juyo focused by the elegance and precision of Makashi.

It would make sense that luke could have found resources on the various formal light saber forms, including vaapad. But it does sort of make sense that he might have used such information as a loose guide, and developed his own style through having found his own path to balance in the dark and light sides of the force.

I love Luke Skywalker new lightsaber combat They looked badass

Luke Skywalker is a hero to millions of fans worldwide! He bought hope to the galaxy. He helped his father redeam himself. He stopped the Empire. He never gave up. He is a hero. Its unfortunate Disney didn't respect the character 😔

@Gundam4

8 ай бұрын

Very true

@kapnkarhoonch5497

8 ай бұрын

He brought hope of a better future for nerdy kids in our galaxy as well.

@herooflight7931

8 ай бұрын

Definitely

@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@elcabezoni

8 ай бұрын

what is a Disney?

I think he did use vapad in the scene we're he took out the black droids.

Luke Skywalker a grandmaster forever 💯.

Is there a lightsaber style for throwing your saber cus I would carry one in each hand one for throwing and the other for blocking

and NOW the "styles" of jedy knight 2 make some sense

Well we have to remember that before choosing or creating a style, each student in the old order had studied each form for a year or even 2. Only then did they progress to any real advanced training. This took loads of time, that the new order simply did not have. You could be in your teens, before ever picking your preferred style. Then you would need minimum of 10 years just to be proficient in even Niman, the diplomat style. Others could take double that.

Metalocalypse and star wars crossover. Charles offdensen: "put the sabers to him, medium style."

With so much reconning everywhere else in Star Wars I think we can do it here too with Luke using vaypad

I like form four form eight inform 7

Easy answer; to learn and grow faster with those things involved.

Couldve been vaapad or possibly juyo, im not convinced that Mace wouldve made his technique widly known because of the ease to which a jedi could succumb to.the ds and for someone to.study on how to.counter it, but finding material regarding form 7 is more plausible simply bc that was ths same style Palp favored when he did duel and i could see him having info somewhere tucked away.

I would want to know how to use Vapaad. But a more positive version like Luke's.

Cool

Luke's Melee/ Dueling style was influenced by Obiwan (form2), Yoda, The Phantom Grand Inquisitor, Jedi Holocrons and Ancient Artifacts. He faced against storm troopers, Vader, Pirates, Sand people, droids, crate dragons, large beasts, Mandalorians, The Hutts, and Dark Troopers. He tapped into the Dark Side on occasion because his father is The Chosen One. But, I don't think he knew Vaapad?

@lekaioscar3833

8 ай бұрын

Obi wan uses form 5 after Phantom Menace

@nyaalilith

7 ай бұрын

@@lekaioscar3833 Form 3 Soresu, not 5. Obi-wan Kenobi famously became known as The Master of form 3 Soresu. Not merely 'a' master of the form: THE. MASTER. of form 3 Soresu. This played a crucial role, to say a couple examples, in his defeat of General Grievous, as well as in his legendary defeat of Vader in Mustafar.

@unlucky7s561

7 ай бұрын

​@@nyaalilithYes, he did defeat Vader by defending the entire fight and waited for him to make a mistake. The fight would have been over instantly if Vader simply used the force instead of the lightsaber.

@Christcrusader98

7 ай бұрын

@@lekaioscar3833he uses form 4 in phantom menace Ataru then later masters form 3 soresu

Bro basically made being a Jedi an RPG :D

If I used a dual bladed lightsaber I think I would use combination of Form 3, Form 5/7 and Form 6. If we are referring to new Jedi Order. medium and fast or Medium and Strong.

7+3 given, Kenobi did it to Maul, padawan to Vapaad stance to jedi master and strike.

There shouldn't be a perfect form because it reduces Lightsaber combat lore and the complexity in its implications.

Anakin and Obi-was was the only ones who could roll a lightsaber in entire star wars cinematic so far. The others were amateurs to me, as i believe they holded lightsaber only during movie shooting 😂

Form for form 7 and form 8 inform 4

I think i would do Djem So

Sup!

So what did Klyo and Rey usebaby style?

@LockupIII

7 ай бұрын

The style of form plot armor. And form Mary Sue.

Day 276 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

I think he used vapad.

I would be a dedicated student of form 7 mixing Joyu with Vapaad to find a balance within both the light and dark of the Star Wars Universe. In essence I would be like the Grey Jedi of old seeking equilibrium within and without the force. I find your video to be quiet good on the subject and applaud you in both your efforts and your accomplishments in the message delivered.

In my personal canon my fanon Jedi Master taught Luke everything he knew including the Dark Side and More importantly his Master Mace Windu and His (My Jedi Master) Lightsaber Combat Form VII Vaapad

"Vah-pah'd" or "Vah paw'd" Not "Vape-pad"

Luke Skywalker style all the way!!!

The new Jedi order right now is Luke Skywalker, Ahsoka Tano, Ezra Bridger, Din Grogu, Sabine Wren, Jacen Syndulla and any younglings they might come across with Luke as Grandmaster, Ahsoka as Master and Ezra as a Knight and and the rest are Padawans. This is just the Jedi confirmed to be around after the fall of the empire by my knowledge so I think this is where it’s going in current canon.

@RandomGuy-lu1en

8 ай бұрын

I hope Baylan will make it into the new order! And Windu, Quinlan Vos, Oppo Rancisis and Plo Koon could be still around. Kelleren Beq and Gungi of course

@RandomGuy-lu1en

8 ай бұрын

and don't forget K'kruhk!

@Thena_the_Grey

8 ай бұрын

​​@@RandomGuy-lu1enPlo Koon was literally blown up in his fighter at the start of Order 66 in E3 though. And since the actor playing Baylin passed, I'm going to say that he won't be making it to the New Order...

@amf0078

8 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy-lu1en Baylan is a Dark Jedi and the others are not confirmed to still be around after the fall of the empire.

@RandomGuy-lu1en

7 ай бұрын

@@Thena_the_Grey Plos Jet was blown up but even the lego model of his jet has an ejection seat 😏 since he's the favorite Jedi of most clone wars fans I think they will bring him back. Would be a missed opportunity to not do so. He didn't really die on screen. And I'm pretty sure Baylan is supposed to play a role in upcoming shows and movies and will be recasted anyway. And nowadays it wouldn't even be hard to deepfake his original face. And he's not that dark if you're honest ...

why reupload ?

Luke landed 2 hits on Vader? I thought he only landed one.

Shouldn't the forms be called Forms 9, 10, & 11 instead considering Trakata is considered Form 8

There's no doubt in my mind that Luke is familiar with Vaapad and uses it selectively.

be like water

😁

Can you cite your sources for this information or can someone tell me?

SQUIRREL!!

Short cuts don’t make good lightsaber duellist’s.

So the Jedi knight game saber strengths (blue, yellow, red) are forms?

I would study 2,3,5, and the footwork with acrobatics of form 4 as well to ensure that I would be up for the task of any challenge I may come across.

Nearly perfect, not a perfect like WBW Anakin Skywalker. You guys agree?

Correction Luke didn’t make forms 8-10 he made 9-11 as form 8 already exists but it has the user turn there lightsaber on/off mid battle and nobody not the Jedi or the Sith use it so it became forgotten

@fdjtron1732

7 ай бұрын

That move called trakata and it's not a form, just a move. Each form includes multiple moves. Also, one of Luke's students - Jedi Master Corran Horn recreated this technique. Corran uses trakata in combat: "Shedao Shai towered over him, rising up on his tiptoes to deliver that final blow. The amphistaff rose and crashed down, set to bash the lightsaber back into its wielder, slaying an infidel with the blasphemous weapon he embraced. With a flick of his thumb, Corran killed the blade and sagged forward. Overbalanced because his weapon met no resistance, Shedao Shai buried his amphistaff deep in the ground and stumbled a half-step forward. The surprise registering on his face widened his eyes, then his lips peeled back in a feral grin as Corran pressed his lightsaber against the Yuuzhan Vong's stomach. The lightsaber hissed. Argent light poured from Shedao Shai's mouth a second before he vomited black blood and collapsed to the ground, his spine severed, his belly smoking." Source: The New Jedi Order - Dark Tide II: Ruin

It's one of the only things I disagreed with master Luke and got lazy with even the names lol fast style,medium style ,🙄😵 .....form 5😳.....Atari🫨. They sound kooler 🤧. And it's not like there's weren't a bunch of jedis that joined Lukes new order who caught in the clone and wars, some in the high Republic era....so it's not like there weren't masters who were taught in the old forms and by after the empire time would be master's. All I'm saying my is like could've implemented the old forms again but didn't 🤪njejejhe

The lightsaber forms are overcomplicated.

Who cares what he did? It does not matter because of the ST

i wonder if luke skywalker will show us his power in ahsoka season 2 stopping the blue face red eye demon

Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris have done the same thing....

Great lore vid!! I did a serious, not 100% accurate, artistic martial arts based interpretation of the 5 main forms depicted in the Jedi Path. If you are ok to take a look and let me know what you think, it would be great 🙂

Too bad he ends up a broken old man who gives up and milks aliens

@Dungeon_Dunce2011

8 ай бұрын

that never happened, those things aren't canon

@lorenzog7811

8 ай бұрын

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 lol I wish

@Dungeon_Dunce2011

8 ай бұрын

@@lorenzog7811 what do you mean, those never happened, you cant convince me otherwise

@lorenzog7811

8 ай бұрын

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 I'm not trying to I feel the same way

@lorenzog7811

8 ай бұрын

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 it was sarcasm/ disappointment

Using all seven forms individually seems like it was unnecessary specialization. Using three forms seems like practical adaptation.

The EU is the true cannon , change my mind...

@nevasoba5953

7 ай бұрын

Jk that is impossible

I would study form V/Shien.

The lightsaber staile had excellent staile on a power of All cownter the dark side in a sith

I am an instructor of Filipino martial arts of Kali, escrima, and arnis de mano. So, my light saber style would look like that.

15 seconds ago Xd

👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻😎 MTFBWY

It's too bad you don't link the strong style with Baylen. I believe he is using that Jedi "style"

@fdjtron1732

7 ай бұрын

Baylen is definitely using form 5, Luke's styles don't exist in canon

Luke skywalker over dosed on the force and died.

Luke didn’t get two hits on Darth Vader in his duel with him in Episode 5.

That scene of Luke fighting off Jaba's gang was one of the worst lightsaber fight scenes we've had in Star Wars. Luke moved like a drunk holding a piece of wood trying to fend off raccoons. Only if George Lucas could have been a better director and had brought fighting stunts for those scenes. Still, Return of the Jedi is one of my favorite Star Wars movies. Note: I like many of your videos but I've noticed you have been recycling lots of old material (retelling same themes/stories). I hope to see more really new materials.

I think the 3 new styles are the product of lousy writing. Was he training challenged students? Wow medium style, wonder how long it took the writer to make that up. Maybe form 11 will be super duper fast.