Ironically, both Luke and Darth Bane had the exact same actor.

@seanhewitt603

8 ай бұрын

Who is that?

@MLGProTroller

8 ай бұрын

@@seanhewitt603Mark Hamill. Mark played Darth Bane in the Clone Wars animated series.

@129das

8 ай бұрын

@@MLGProTroller but thats a fake Darth Bane that was just apart of yoda imagination

@severedskull23

29 күн бұрын

buddy was the va of joker so not surprised

there's no need for 'what do you think about this?', there,s a whole novel. Bane was not talking about 'the Force', he was talking about the dark side, in the context of the Sith betraying each other, the collective Sith order being weakened by their numbers. He directly compared it to the Jedi and the light, saying that the light side was exactly that torch, because the Jedi didn't have that drive to destroy and climb over each other

@dverarde84

8 ай бұрын

Quarter of the way there.

@chevin0

8 ай бұрын

@Jaegar19Ultima i wasn't complaining, I was informing. And generating engagement for the algorithm

In a way, they were both right. The Light grows stronger as it spreads but the Darkness spread too far will self-destruct.

@dverarde84

8 ай бұрын

But do you actually understand why? And why there was so much in-fighting. And what the Dark Side actually does to its users? I am gonna say you don't and thank you for playing. 👍

@WarriorVirtue

8 ай бұрын

@@dverarde84 Because the Dark Side ultimately drives its practitioners to destroy each other out of a lust for power. The only arguably successful Sith empire only became so by outright abandoning key tenets of the Sith philosophy.

@Tyrosine0910

8 ай бұрын

​@@dverarde84What's with the condescending tone?

@awakenow7147

8 ай бұрын

@@Tyrosine0910 This is why I'm hesitant to interact with any fandom. Difficult to have a convo without vitriol

@swearimnotarobot3746

8 ай бұрын

@@dverarde84because they lust for power. So all the other Sith are competition. And they’ll stop at nothing to get rid of competition. Just wiping themselves out. It’s not too complicated of a subject matter. Why do you presume other people wouldn’t know this? Do you have a fragile superiority complex or something?

I think its a combination of both fire and venom depending on your alignment. The light burns brighter and brighter with more people using it, but if more people are using the dark side it dilutes and does get weaker. Its why Lord Kaan's Brotherhood of Darkness was so weak at the end of the day despite holding all the cards against the Jedi and Republic.

@dverarde84

8 ай бұрын

Close but no cigar

So Darth Bane is the man who saw beyond the cave, but instead of sharing it with others, he wanted it for himself and someone else who deserved it.

@reubenbeacham7041

8 ай бұрын

So is the way of the Sith my friend

It’s both. It’s fire because of how strong it grows the more it’s passed to, but it is also venom when your emotions run so hot all you see is vengeance and hatred, therefore it clouds your judgment proving the force is a toxic power. If we combine both teachings of Luke and Bane, I am of the opinion that a more balanced force wielder would be born. One who knows both paths to the force but is tempered in their convictions

I see that both Bane and Luke were mere opposites about their views of the force, but Bane stumbled upon something that still gives Luke’s point a bonus about it being a flame rather than a venom from a certain point of view. When Bane instituted the Rule of Two he kept the philosophy of venom with a Master holding the power and the Apprentice needing to crave it, but in a way he did “fan the flames” of the Sith to take control of the galaxy for as long as they did. Yes the Dark is more of a venom while Light is more of a flame, but Bane did start the flame of the Sith to take control of the Galaxy through the shadows all the way up to the Phantom Menace when it was Sidious’s time to rule as master. All the while being very similar to how the Jedi Order helps those to use and control their force powers and passes the knowledge off to their apprentices. Yoda himself being a prime example of teaching Jedi for 800 years before his death at 900.

“Ironic”-Palpatine.

When Zanna defeats Bane and her hand trembles I really want that expanded on. Did Bane pass himself into every rule of two Sith Lord bidding beneath the surface. Did he find a conduit to stay in. Would be a great new bad guy quote on quote

Water… it can’t be spread infinitely, but is constantly replenished. Strongest if you work with it and toughest when you oppose it.

Love the videos buddy! I enjoy the thorough explanations and the daily variety! My favorite Star Wars channel! 💖😁

I agree with Luke. Force is like fire. It grows stronger with many Jedi. It's stronger in the group,in plurality. Bane is wrong here. Despite everything. I think Luke really did hate him. Great video. May the Force be with you too😊 Have a great day too😊

Having generational debt passed down from father to son makes me believe that Bane was actually born in Detroit.

Whether it's Dark or Light, the Force is ultimately the same due to the fact that the Force has been or will be manipulated, forced, mastered but never perfected by either the Jedi or Sith. I see the Force as an unending, infinite line drawn in opposite directions of the Jedi and Sith. No matter the Student or Teacher of past, present, or future, the Force lives on through everyone and everything. So, both Jedi and Sith experience the pain, happiness, pride, sorrow, gain, etc. to reach the pinnacle of both Sides, nevertheless.

@stevenkempton7469

8 ай бұрын

There is no light, there is no dark, there is only the force. It is the wielder that distills it into light or darkness.

This is excellent! Please, continue to analyze everything and anything at all!

I do not see Luke "hating" either Sidious, Bane, or anyone else. As an eventual Grand Master of the Jedi, he would see hatred as the Dark Side.

The force is fire, and life is it's fuel.

Luke wouldn't throw away his love and compassion for anything- at least in Star Wars Legends. Meanwhile, Canon Luke: *ponders killing his own nephew from sensing just a sliver of internal darkness*

The force is water. All need it to live. Few have control over it. Those in control who use it compassionately spread joy and love. Those who control and abuse it over others spread hate and sorrow. If you float through calm Waters that is a soothing and peaceful experience. If you get caught in the rapids you must fight back or be swept away.

@morpheusmirror2857

8 ай бұрын

You ride the rapids back into calm.

@davmccar

8 ай бұрын

@@morpheusmirror2857 in my metaphor I was trying to depict the rapids as the dark side which you can drown in

@morpheusmirror2857

8 ай бұрын

@@davmccar true and agreed, that’s where balance and understanding the flow comes into play. A skilled pilot can navigate both the rapids and the calm. Some prefer the rapids as an adrenaline rush others prefer the calm for its tranquility. The greater skill is in the balance.

@davmccar

8 ай бұрын

@@morpheusmirror2857 touche

I like Darth Bane's analogies for The Dark Side Of The Force and the existence of The Sith. I would say that the likening to a fire or a venom both work, from whatever spectrum the Force-user is aligned. With Luke's mindset, and evaluation of Bane, I wonder how he felt about the likes of Sith Cults, esp. the ones that supported the legacy and power of Lord Darth Vader (The Acolytes Of The Beyond, The Alazmec Of Winsit)? That kind of worship and Dark Side Alchemy would certainly constitute as a kind of poison or venom remaining within the galaxy. Thank you and May The Force Be With You.

I think it depends on which side of the force you subscribe to, the light side of the force craves unity it wants to be shared among its practitioners and as such grows stronger when more than a few are present. The dark side of the force on the other hand demands one to be selfish and greedy for power to an extreme thus it's significantly stronger when there are fewer users of the dark side in the galaxy, it being eventually diluted also goes a way in explaining how Luke defeated Sidious on the 2nd Death Star as no Sith in canon had practiced and immersed themselves in the dark side for nearly half as long as Palpatine, this is why I believe the Rule of Two dictates conflict between the two Sith as if venom is allowed to sit and be complacent for too long it naturally becomes weaker and less potent.

It is both fire and venom at the same time, the Light side is the fire and Dark side is the venom. So both were right and wrong at the same time, Sith need their poison to destory each other and grow stronger while the Jedi need the fire keep unity and hope alive. Darth Bane was right to start the Rule of Two while he was wrong to think that the Sith would stick to it even to end of time. Luke was right about love will make the Jedi stronger but he neive to think Bane was wrong about the Dark side form a practical level.

@dverarde84

8 ай бұрын

You are aware, legends or not, that Luke did end up joining Grandad Palps on the Dark Side. Even if it was to kill him. Luke and Anakin were stronger than Palps could ever hope to be, Anakin just lost some midichlorians along the way so George said, well he is actually this % of Palps power level. You almost actually had it but lost it at the end, nice try and thank you for playing.

@SafeNebula11644

8 ай бұрын

@@dverarde84 How about instead of replying to everybody saying, " You're wrong" and "nice try but...", you post your own comment telling us what the answer is? Why the 'high roller' act? I want to know your "right" answer.

The Force can be many things to many Different users... in order to understand the Great mystery...😃😐

If he doesn't have said so i doubt that he hated bane more simply for the fact that none of the banites caused remotely the same suffering n death that sidious did. Not even including "unofficials". Jacen was well on his way but still not quite there. Still, u can b sure that he felt way more strongly for him than for bane. Even lumiya who didn't even took the mantle made his blood boil more. Enough to kill her in anger, whst he did to no one usually.

I really was curious about this

I think it's funny that in the end the way Luke defeated Vador was threw emotional release.

Just no Remember what a new dark lord feels after killing his master in the rule of two never felt before bane The dark side can fuel one person to force a balance in the force as plagueas said “ the force provides “ just to keep the balance So remember when zana killed bane Remember when plagueas killed tenibers And what plapiten felt when he killed him Such feelings never been documented before when the apprentices by group killed their master The sith just got weaker and it’s not just unfinished training

@boohoo4877

8 ай бұрын

Well big thx from the deep galactic core the lost world of Iraq 🤣🤍

Luke Skywalker time!

Might I suggest, "Luke hated" in the title implies from Episode 1 that it leads to suffering. Maybe another term, "concerned," "disliked," "opposed to," etc. might be better terms.

The only thing I think Bane was undeniably wrong about is that the Dark Side is finite, and would be diluted amongst thousands of Sith. There were thousands of Sith living on Kesh during the entirety of the Rule of Two, and it did not hinder Bane's Sith from drawing on the Force at all.

@MrAranton

8 ай бұрын

Bane‘s doctrine didn‘t say „if there are more than two Sith, the Sith cannot draw from the force“. It said, „the fewer Sith the better they’ll be able to draw on the force“. Bane greatly reduced the number of dark side users, which - according to venom-theory - concentrated the power in the survivors. The fact that there still dark side users Bane was unaware of does not contradict his theory. After all how do you know how big a percentage of anything you have if you don‘t know how much of that „anything“ there is? Bane‘s power increased significantly after he wiped the Sith order that trained him. But how would he know the difference between a much larger share of the dark side flowing through him and all of the dark side flowing through him?

@TheEdog37

8 ай бұрын

Bane saw how wrong the so-called Sith Academy was & how far it deviated from the old Sith. That’s why he instituted the Rule of Two

The force in my opinion is both, the light is fire because when the jedi work together they are stronger, they are at peace with their emotions and do not feel the need to be superior. The with on the other hand crave power so in regards to the darkness bane is right too the more sits there are the more fighting there is, that is more so in the era of Bane.

I think Bane carried his view on the Sith to the Jedi, the Sith often were in fact stronger when there were fewer of them but that's because the sith in nature back stab and betray which when spread across the entire empire will always lead to it fracturing swiftly. Look at how many times they've been on the cusp of victory only to snatch it away from themselves because of their desire to be the one on top. Bane's philosophy was based on that nature and instead of changing it changed the Sith to use that nature to their advantage

The problem with dark siders and their desire for power and control by fear or terror is that they always have to destroy their apprentices or be killed by them

Well there's Imperial Spy X-Wing pilot that became Lumiya. Luke hated his ex-girlfriend since she betrayed the rebellion but also killed a lot of her squadmates&some of his allies&pupils. Plus helped to corrupt Jacen Solo too.

Imagine how 🤔 conversations between the two of them would go?

Fire is interesting. As it has to purposes depending on use. It can be use to burn and destroy. But it can also be used for wormpth. We see fire used in controled burns situations but like its nature fire can get away from even those whom have experiance. Like wise venom drainins is target. While a person can gain a small a amunity to it if taken in small quanity their is no question that it still destroys the target. In this way fire and venom are simular. I would posit that that the darkside is like venom. While you can gain emunity from the effects for while it will eventualy destroy. While I would fire for the light side/ Jedi. Always have to walk the line of blance. Does the fire help keep you warm and bring light or does consume you. Just some thoughts.

6:39 - Darth Batista!

If I didnt come down to violence, the jedi and sith could have some sick philosophical debates.

I’d say fire. If the force is anything like the lesson in Ki I’ve read, and I do think it is, there was a part that said only to continue if you felt heat or warmth and as heat and warmth is a result of fire because cold would make you dark.

From what has been said in the first 6 movies and in other things involving the lore, the force is basically the magic in Star Wars. Both Sith and Jedi are basically a form of wizard and each force user that becomes one with the force ends up adding onto it. Pretty similar to the Spell Weave in Forgotten Realms. So I don't think the force is a fire or venom, but it is a living thing in the universe of Star Wars. It is a part of everything, even though only force sensitives are able to use it, weather that's for good or evil.

The force is neither fire nor is it venom. The force is ocean. The shark must completely and absolutely place its will against the ocean. To always move forward or it will drown. Other fish can relax and flow with the currents of the ocean. This is the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. The Sith are powerful, but their power comes by placing themselves at opposition to the force itself. Using their will to make it comply with their wishes. The Jedi relinquish themselves to the force and go with the flow.

You can’t argue with either one of them because they both received fruits from their labor.

Just like fire and venom they both consumes 😮

My take on the “Force as Fire vs Venom” theory is that the Light is fire, and the Dark is venom.

In my eyes, the Force is both fire AND venom. And here's why I think that. The Light Side of the Force is the light given off by a single spark. When a person taps into the Light Side, it grows into a flame with the user acting as a torch to carry that flame. And as a Jedi passes on the teachings of the Light Side onto their Padawan that flame is then passed onto another torch which causes the flame to spread and become a beacon that illuminates the darkness. The more Jedi there are, the more the flame spreads. And the more the flame spreads, the brighter the light glows. In contrast, the Dark Side is like poison to the user. Like venom being injected into a bite, it starts by taking root within the victim and spreads to corrupt and eventually destroy the user, hence the Dark Side Degradation that we see in Sith like Palpatine. Then, like a snake biting another animal, the master passes these teachings on to their apprentice who becomes poisoned by the Dark Side, and thus grows addicted to its power.

the force is more like water as opposed to fire or venom. as i understand it the force moves through and binds all living things together. however the force as a result is bound to all living things that move through it. as such it seems to me the power of the force light dark or grey is equal to the life in the universe. so each new life and the process of life is a drop of water in the ocean known as the force. the only limit on the force is what you set to it.

I would imagine, if anyone, it would be Darth Caedus, the Sith who murdered his wife and tortured his son, but what do I know...

The darkside seems to be more like a drug. There are all these initial promises that result in short term benefits, but the user becomes more and more addicted. It also destroyes the user as time goes on.

I think it is fire for jedi venom for sith

I wonder if anyone remembers Sidious saying “ the Jedi and the Sith are similar in almost every way “ it all comes down to power and how they use it lol 😂

I think they were both right about their own respective sides of the force and then some.

the force is fire.

The force is 🔥

Well depends on what your intentions with the force is if you want to conquer you should stay small simple and focused grow powerful until your successor over powers you like venom but if you simply wish to live among and spread the teachings of a teacher then you be fire

The Force just is. What is important is how one uses it that matters in one way they are both wrong.

Luke's explanation for how the force is actually like fire was kinda dumb, but better for the story ultimately. Because, honestly, all you'd have to do is look at the fact that if what Bane believes about the force is true, then Palpatine ultimately would have been relatively as strong as (if not stronger) than the entirety of all light side users, by himself. Yoda would have never even come close to standing in battle against him. No one and no thing would. If what Bane believes about the the benefits of rule of two were true, then the Sith who ultimately rises to the top would be like fkn Goku. Goku up against a bunch of 'diluted' Krillens and Yamchas.

the funniest part is the fact that mark plays BOTH characters

The light side is fire, and will pass on to many making it strong. Dark side is venom, killing the user slowly.

I doubt that Luke hated Bane, it's much more likely that he pitied him.

Nature will always seek balance in all its manifestations. To me, the view that Jedi (light) or Sith (darkness) can prevail and or exist alone, in a long-term, is naive.

I think it’s both based on their philosophies. For the Jedi it is fire because a Jedi is built up by those around them where as a Sith relies on no one but themself so it makes sense that a Sith would view the force as a venom.

I see merits in both philosophies. Bane was right, in a manner of speaking, that The Force was like Venom. But only as it pertains to The Dark Side. The potentcy of The Dark Side and it's corruption is naturally more powerful the fewer who possess it. Thus why The Rule of Two lead to Sidius. However, The Light Side is the natural state of The Force. Luke recognizes the folly of The Sith in this regard. The Force doesn't belong to any one person and, by sharing in its knowledge and power, those who follow The Will of The Force make life better for the entier Galaxy rather than just themselves. The Zeffo comparing The Force to Wind is a more accurate analogy in my opinion. Since Wind is passive, flows around everything it touches, and can destroy everything in its path if focused in the wrong way.

Almost got it again. You keep getting these very close but never arriving. Bane said the Dark Side was like venom, when spread amongst many cups the poison is diluted and weak, but when only 2 cups are used, each cup is more potent. Luke said the Light Side was a beaming light. If you are going to compare and contrast videos, make sure you are putting out the most accurate content you can, people will look this particular thing up in the Book of Sith and see you just don't care enough to get it right.

Request. Please do an explanation of (1) what fighting form Luke used against Vader in Cloud City and if he made any adaption to it when he fought Vader on the Death Star, (2) Did Yoda teach Luke this fighting form? (3) How close was Luke to tapping into the dark side when fighting Vader on the Death Star, especially as Vader discovers there's another Skywalker (4) Was Vader/Anakin moved at all to learn he had a daughter? (5) Why Luke didn't use the lightsaber to fend off the Emperor's force lightening? (6) Did Luke ever learn to repel force lightening the way Yoda did? Thanks.

@noahblevins9569

8 ай бұрын

All of your questions have been answered in previous videos. 1 Luke used form 5, Djem So, just like Anakin. 2 Kenobi trained Luke in the basics more than Yoda. Yoda nurtured Luke's connection to the force. Luke later learned more from Jedi texts and holocrons.

@noahblevins9569

8 ай бұрын

3 Luke did lose control briefly and began to tap into the dark side. That is actually how he overpowered Vader. Seeing Vaders mechanical parts and his own hand helped him reel it in and abandon the darkness. 4 Vader was surprised to have twins, but was more interested in Luke.

@noahblevins9569

8 ай бұрын

5 At that point he was refusing to fight. 6 He actually was at first, but the emperor was just too fast and powerful with the lightning for Luke to do it. Luke is able to do it later on when he is more powerful.

Luke and Bane are like any internet debate. They're using the same words, but not discussing the same thing. Hence why they argue. The LIGHT SIDE is fire. It is the herd, co-operative and stronger as a group. The DARK SIDE is venom. It is the snake, the predator that strikes from the shadows, using surprise and fear to scatter their prey and isolate the weak. The same goes for lightsaber combat. What Bane trained for was more or less force oneness (or Star Wars Ultra Instinct). No thought, no technique, no hesitation. Let the force control your body to do what it needs to while your mind is free to focus on the bigger picture. All that said I think Luke in the book of sith is Luke recovering from being Sideous' apprentice and deprogramming himself, not Luke post Caedus or Abeloth. He has yet to see turning to the dark side as a sacrifice, yet to see the ends justifying the means. It is a common misconception of the jedi that the dark side is all about power. Bane knew it was not. The dark side is all about the goal, what you NEED the power to attain. Luke would come to understand that in making peace with Jacen Solo's fate and even do it himself when confronting Abeloth. He just found a different power than Bane...the other side of the same coin.

Theh chluld in theory bring any ancient sith back thru possessive artifacts

Smash

What if the light is stronger in numbers due to being together n such but the dark is stronger alone due to loneliness or something just a thought

Idk of anyone else had this thought but what if BOTH are actually correct, the light and the dark are opposite the light gets stronger with the more people holding its flame but the dark is venom and corruption and taking power and such but also those who weild it destroy each other preventing from anyone getting stronger as the weaker ones just work together to remove the strong from power only to turn on each other after so like the less there are allows the darkness to grow in the few where as the light grow together, both are correct about their respective sides of the force

"The selfish intent of wanting to preserve peace initiates wars, and hatred is born in order to protect love." Madara Uchiha would have made a great Sith lol. He looked at this same question but in his point of veiw it was a cycle of hatred so to say. Seems to be the same case in this galaxy as well but with space wizard's lol

Fire or vemon . my belief is its hope.

Luke also knew Darth Caedus, his true nephew

Until Disney said... Mmm f it.. Luke can't use the force

the force is whatever people of it

He clearly hates his barber

2:43 Yeah, and Mark Hamill played them both.

We don’t know Banes point of view on the night sisters. They are a relatively dark side community that doesnt implode like the regular sith.

I think it is both fire and venom. The Force is the universal energy that flows though everything. If used by people like Luke, good hearted, believing in compassion, kindness, and a sense of family, the light spreads and a fire erupts giving strength to those who look upon it. For the dark side it is venom, besides the obvious reason when using too much it turns you into something that looks like death. Though using the dark side of the Force can poison someone, if used too frequently. The Force is always in balance there is both light and darkness that keep it in balance, and if one grows stronger than the other everything becomes unbalanced. For every light, there is a shadow, though I believe that the light should be stronger than the shadow or death would ensue across the universe. Though the practice and learning of the dark side isn't inherently evil. The fact is that if one uses it non-stop then the force turns into venom and corrupts and poisons the one using it. Just like if one focuses too much on the Light, they become blind to the darkness, and don't know what to do when they actually come face to face with it. Though in truth, the Force is everything, and has a will of its own, keeping checks and balances throughout the universe, so in short Fire and Venom are perfect aspects of the Force, plus, it also depends on the user and their history.

This is my Luke! Not a nephew murdering one

Sand. It was definitely sand.

You can’t tell me Luke didn’t despise Exar Kun he even said his spirit alone was more powerful than Sheev lol

Fire can make venom 😅

Why the repost

bruh with how exar kun was in legends. i feel luke shouldve hated him more. that guy was around long after his expiration date

I hope Kennedyfilm goes back to Lucasfilm someday so brilliant content creators like you can have more material to analyse.

Bane is and always will be my favourite Sith, next to Maul

title's silly, but the body's fine.

They've both wrong. The force is like water. Please see the holocron of Master Lee for the rest 😅

I don't believe Luke hates anyone hates leads to suffering . Suffering leads to the Darkside. He probably dislikes him but no hate is too strong a word.

I don't think Luke hated Bane, I think he pitied him.

I’d say Luke hated lumiya worse.

Hate? Hate leads to the dark side

For the Al Gore rhythm

I think it is both

"Hated" - or rather pitied?

Hated ? That's not very jedi like is it ? Doesn't hate lead to something or other ?

I believe Luke hated everyone if they didn't have love and compassion like him. But I believe the force is both venom🐍 & fire 🔥

Da-da

Hate to disagree looks like Asoka did not condem him , but by them I guess he was already redeemed in the light by Luke

They're both right and wrong. The Force isn't fire or venom as a whole. The Light Side is a fire while the Dark Side is venom.