I miss Christopher Lee May Christopher Lee rest in peace

That's why I think Dooku is very interesting, he's such a multilayered character. You don't have to like him but you should appreciate him for what he is

Every time Sidious told him to kill one of his former apprentices, he never seemed terribly pleased. He showed remorse over Komari Vosa, and he was quite upset hat having to betray Ventress who he had a lot of respect for. He also had a soft spot for Obi Wan due to Qui Gon. I think half the problem is the clashing depictions of him. The Clone Wars cartoon made him, well, cartoonishly evil, while other sources gave him these little redemptive sparks despite all the horrible stuff he's done. Hell with the right prodding from the right people he might've even returned to the light. Yoda damn near succeeded in redeeming him in Dark Rendezvous. Alas it wasn't just the dark side corruption but also Sidious manipulating Dooku's idealism into a horror show.

I think of Dooku as a tragic character. Much like Anakin. And I've been watching this SW: What if channel for awhile and this video helped me decide to restructure a video request I've been making on it for sometime now. Involving Dooku himself.

I struggled with Count Dooku in my head for years. His motives are understandable. He didn't join the sith to gain power, he chose the dark side because it gave him the tools and finance to prove to the Jedi that they could be doing it better. But somewhere down that path his actions show something different. He wasn't doing it better than the Jedi. Maybe in the beginning, but ultimately he became a lost man, a pawn of sideous causing many lives to be taken and many planets to suffer through famine and warfare. But he never truly became a Sith. I view Dooku as one of the most powerful Dark Jedi to exist. But he was never a Sith. Even though he was given the title of Darth Tyranus, his path in this conflict was already set in stone by Palpatine: just a pawn.

@Ainttrippin

4 ай бұрын

He def wanted power bruh

@Ainttrippin

4 ай бұрын

He def wanted power bruh

@carlospadilla7247

4 ай бұрын

The best villains always think they are the good guy

@boogers69420

4 ай бұрын

@@Ainttrippinyou destroyed him in this debate 😂😂😂

@Ainttrippin

4 ай бұрын

@@boogers69420 lmaaoo I didnt have much time to go into detail

Alot of separatist people saw him as a good guy....

@Ancienthistoryshorts

4 ай бұрын

Not by the end of the war the didn’t the people of the outer rim and especially the people of his home planet hated him bc of his warmongering and stripping soreno of all the wealth and resources only to hoard them at his castle

@soularprimestudios5930

4 ай бұрын

@@Ancienthistoryshorts There were still people who liked him even still 🙄 Mandalorian proved it..And bad batch..

@Ancienthistoryshorts

4 ай бұрын

@@soularprimestudios5930 the bad batch actually proved my point right not your lol the bad batch showed that they liked him at first but the old guy the bad batch met in the forest said that as the war went on the people turned on him for being oppressed and stealing all the resources and taking all knowledge of what sorenno used to be like before dooku and destroying it and then the empire came in and bombed them to hell bc of the separatist movement and the people who remained on sorenno hated dooku even more

@Ancienthistoryshorts

4 ай бұрын

@@soularprimestudios5930 and the guy from the mandolorian was a twisted and vile old man and he was just one person lmaooo the rest of the crew he was in charge of had no idea so yes there were some that still believed but it’s a very very small percentage a lot of people remembered dooku but they didn’t like him at all and most of the old separatist outposts were mainly operated by droids the one that wasn’t was run by a governor who as the war went on wanted peace and to end the war because it was starting to go against what the people wanted. the governor believed in the separatist government and what they originally broke off from the republic for bc they believed the republic wasn’t working at it should and wanted to make their own separate government that ran as a collective getting things done the sith who were in charge and the greedy warmongering generals of the separatist military were the ones that made it fail and dooku was the sith in charge of that government when they found out they were furious so get your facts straight before you try to roll your eyes at a true Star Wars fan who actually spends most of his free time reading and looking into every part of Star Wars lore there is don’t try arguing with me

Personally I think if Qui-gon was able to talk to Dooku then the chances of Dooku being redeemed would have increased but I don't exactly know how the force ghost thing works nor that Qui-gon could do it reliably at any point when Dooku was alive

@dreadrath

4 ай бұрын

Heck, there was a time where Yoda almost redeemed Dooku, but Palps sabotaged it.

I always knew count dooku wasn't all evil

@FanaticMitchell1

4 ай бұрын

Same

@vodka4680

4 ай бұрын

he wasn’t but a lot of people probably feel like he is because of clone wars and how he was portrayed

@westington1

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@vodka4680Well by that stage he was consumed by the dark-side and it had clouded his judgement to the point he had entirely lost his way, and in the end was just another pawn in Sidious grand plan to bring down the Jedi, and bring about the darkness of the empire (which is essentially space fascism really - not what I’d image Dooku had in mind when he started to lead the separatists

He could redeem himself but he’d have to help take down Sidious, help end the war, use his wealth to help those affected by the war and return to the Jedi and be the master he should have been.

Dooku had redeeming qualities

The main way I could think he could redeem himself is that he sacrifices himself for Obi-Wan.

Awesome video, well done, Dooku is an interesting character to say the least.

Great video! Absolutely loved it. Well done guys

Really interesting hearing you like this

Honestly think he was more a grey jedi than he was a sith. He never succumbed to the anger and hatred that those who completely accept the ways of the sith are known for. Even with his apprentices in ventress and grevious he showed little to no malice towards them and in the case of ventruss he actually cared for her to some extent. He only accepted the dark side cause he believed it would allow him to reform the jedi into a more effective order.

@randomguy1033

4 ай бұрын

He was much closer to a gray sith if anything else, his endgame plan was to have a Sith Order that would be running the Galaxy.

@dreadrath

4 ай бұрын

I'd say he was more of a gray sith since I don't really think there's such a thing as a gray jedi, unorthodox jedi yes, but they are still dedicated to the light.

@kellygreenii

2 ай бұрын

Dark Jedi.

Yoda showing Dooku how he mastered the dark side and the fact it is possible. Will of adversely made Dooku want to master it as well.

The thing I like about Dooku the most is his views on light saber dueling. It is extremely arrogant but I like how he emphasizes the importance of raw skill in a duel, and not resorting to tricks though I disagree with his assertion that double bladed, light sabers and wielding two is a bad thing.

Bruh this isthe convo we needed

Great video!

This was amazing 🤩 video I love ❤️ this Discussion it was very good keep up the good work guys.

I love podcastesque videos. I would love to start up a starwars podcast with star wars loving people where we just talk about our takes of books/comics/shows/movies/games. Keep up the great videos.

Love it!

He definitely was redeemable if he had realized he was just a pawn in Palpatine’s game like everyone else. The whole reason Dooku wanted to take down the republic is he wanted to overthrow what he saw as a corrupt system. But that’s what Palpanine does. Like a demon he takes your good intentions and corrupts it to serve his evil schemes.

Awesome video 🔥 Can you guys talk about what it would look like if Anakin never turned or rather what you guys think of Mace Windu and Sidious duel?

Revan as a jedi did worse than dooku ever did as a sith. If revan could be redeemed there's absolutely no reason dooku shouldn't be able to redeem himself. Granted the rest of the order never really forgave revan for his sith past but was offered a seat in the jedi high council regardless.

Awesome video but ‘Dark Rendezvous’ took place 6 months before ROTS which is late in the Clone Wars.

This discussion was fantastic! I rarely enjoy this type of format in videos, but this was something else. My opinion friends is that if Darth Vader could come back, Dooku also could. I never gave much thought to Dooku sparing Obi-Wan in their duel inside the Invisible Hand, but I find it fascinating now: great character writing for someone with such little screen time in the movies.

If Jedi actually believed what they taught in thier temples they'd know that no one is unredeemable. You may not be able to go back and change what happened(Anakin's journey to becoming Vader), but you have today and every day after to improve yourself and the world around you(Vader throwing Palatine into a seemingly bottomless pit).

Nice

🌊🌊🌊🔟/🔟 love the discussion form content

I don’t think Dooku is redeemable. Despite his love for Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, he hated the Republic. He would want to see it fall, regardless of whether he returned to the light or not. Also, I don’t think he would want to give up any of his power, not to mention in the unlikely event, even returned to the Jedi order, that would mean being appear to Anakin, which to him would’ve been intolerable, and besides, Anakin would never forgiven Dooku for his crimes. Anyway, awesome video please do more in this series. I mean if you’re going to make this a series please do one on the possible redemption of Garth Maul.

As the old sayings goes the path to hell is pave with good intentions.

he lacked the tools. as did Revan and Anakin. their dreams lay with Sabine. I fully support her training. Sabine's most defining characteristic is her empathy -- making her a conduit for the Force. her Mandalorian values are the tools that can create the galaxy that Revan, Dooku and Anakin wanted.

We’ve seen the recovery of multiple “emperors”. I would contend that there is no precedent backing up Dooku’s lack of redeemability. If you consider the joining of conspiring against the Jedi Order as full fall, why would we view Master Yoda’s mercy and grace showing the powerful dark and the decision towards the light as futile which wouldn’t make any sense and is therefore another moot point against Dooku’s rehab.

I like these discussion videos and there for dude make the podcast seriously

I just got done with Darth Plagueis again, and at the end Dooku and Palpatine talk in the book. And he was looking to break up the government and start new. He also thought that the Jedi were more lap dogs to the government. And then Palpatine was just able to manipulate Dooku, like he did Vader and Maul. I thought that this is further brought out in Tales of the Jedi and then when you read the Revenge of the Sith book, and what goes on in Dooku's head right before Anakin kills him. Interesting point with Dooku wanting/willing to use Obi-Wan as a way to overthrow Palpatine. Another reason for Palpatine to hate Kenobi. I agree, if Dooku were to be redeemed it would take a lot and not sure if it would ever happen. A cool what if: What if Dooku right there in Revenge of the Sith tells Anakin that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.

I like the theory that Count Dooku was an undercover Jedi agent all along. I cannot remember where I heard it though.

Happy Friday.

shame we never got a dooku vs windu duel

Perhaps a discussion video about whether or not Obi-Wan was a good master for Anakin.

Dooku was only Sith because he got seduced on the fact that his overall ideologies about the universe were far different than the Jedi would ever agree with. Once the dark side seduces you, you fall..into it. He leaned into it and enjoyed the idea he was molding his ideal future. If only he can defeat Sidious. Which his underestimation of was his downfall.

STUPENDOUS

I think the Jedi Lost novel, Tales of the Jedi, and even Master and Apprentice novel show that Dooku carries within him a "righteous" fury that would always keep him tied to the darkside. So I agree, even if he did switch sides and betray Sidious and "return" to the light, it would be a superficial return to the light and that betrayal of the Jedi would still be on the table.

Dooku wanted to be heard, wanted to be more involved, and actually wanted the people to be heard and to gain power for their own. I still consider Dooku a good force user, he just got caught up in the emotions some times, but definitely not a evil force user.

I think that Dooku and Anakin are so similar that Dooku would have the same potential for redemption as Anakin Skywalker/Vader did... and we saw that Vader was redeemed. In addition to your pro arguments on Dooku, Dooku was also empathetic of Jango's death at Mace Windu's hand in front of Boba Fett. I'm not saying he would want to turn back, but I think he could be redeemed for many of the same reasons as Anakin. He served for what, 70 years. Anakin was barely an adult be fore he turned. Both were powerful, and I think you are both forgetting just how bad Anakin/Vader really was in terms of being a good person. How many younglings can you kill before you aren't redeemed? How many Tusken Raiders can you kill before it is too late? And we saw him all through the Clone Wars being less than merciful to many... and while he would help protect many, he did not mind bending rules when they suited him... Much like Dooku. And let's not forget the horror Vader shows us after his turn to the dark side. We saw him in the Kenobi series and in Rogue One torture and kill many, so again... not unlike Dooku. How much damage did Anakin/Vader do in about half of Dooku's life time? If he had another 40 years, how much more would he have done? Dooku was just better at planning, and while he trained Grievous, Vader trained the inquisitors. So if Dooku has to claim some responsibility for all of Grievous's kills, would Vader not have to claim responsibility for all the deaths caused by the inquisitors, or the 501st troops he lead into battle? I think if you compare their lives, you'll find a very similar event to match for both characters on each side. Vader was likely a better pilot and mechanic, and started out as a slave. Dooku was a better politician, and clearly from royalty. But it would seem like they were both as far down the dark paths as they can be, yet retained some degree of his old self. I think they are far more alike than many. If they were in the same age group, I would bet they would be nearly equals. And that is in their pull to and from the light or dark side and their ability to redeem themselves. It is a fun topic for sure.😁

Well I have heard his idea of the empire was a lot more evil than the emperors was.

I never bought the anakin and vader not being the same person. I don't think Dooku could be redeemed in the eyes of the council but like with vader and being redemptive and regretful that I could see. I never liked his betrayal of Ventress and wish he would have teamed up with her the night sisters and Maul to all take on Darth Wrinkles, would have been a fun fight to see.

Legends Dookus motivations were more understandable then Anakins although to be fair Dooku even as a Jedi was a perfectionist with himself and those who were his workers he wanted a better tomorrow for the galaxy to do away with the republic and make things a more hard handed oligarchy he did not have naked power thirsts or hungers like Palpatine at least for a while not at first then later on he like Palps bought into the whole Humancentric things although not completely above using non humans to do there chores or dirty work yeah.

Please also do a hypothetical video on what if Ahsoka fell to the dockside, will somehow escape the dockside on mortars, corrupted to the dark side by the Son

Can you make a video of Odan Urr please!!!

Yoda almost redeemed him in ‘Yoda Dark Rendevous’.

"Count Dooku was a visionary!"

I'm a big fan of these debate videos

If he was able to be redeemed, he would more than likely would become a Sith/Jedi Gray. Not a Jedi/Sith Gray.. His lust for imposing fear and pain is on par with Sidious. Sidious would have a trusted minion melted with acid just to put their life force and memories into a clone body of that person.. Just because he felt like it. And it gave him practice in that ability. Dooku, didn't care about life at this point. He only cares about power. Now to come back from that and use the lightside too.. In my opinion, Dooku would have been one of the most strongest Gray Force users, ever.

Good is a point of view.

Dooku is a hero. Not a jedi. Dooku did the evil no jedi would do to try to save the Republic from itself. He did the tough thing no one else would BUT Dooku was arrogant and blinded by ego. Dooku let himself be a puppet for evil for the sake of his own heroism. Dooku became a sith so he could be the "chosen one" to bring balance to the Force.

I simp for Dooku.

I never thought of that scene with palpatine being surprised that Dooku didn’t kill obi wan. That is insane

@thomasthetank827

3 ай бұрын

Purely opinion

Dooku was never a true Sith. He just did what he had to do in order to see a change in the galaxy , the senate & against the corrupt Jedi Council that’s all. I’m on His side because it made sense overall 🤷🏾‍♂️✅. As you get older as an adult you learn that the “Bad guys side” really isn’t so bad at all because you grow to understand their motives as time goes on.

Throw Qui Gon in the Lazarus Pit lol

If palpatine killed obiwan himself would have been a redemption for dooku.

Physically, in terms of the Force, yeah; especially if Vader can be. Psychologically, I don't know.

What about Vaders redemption? If ghe hadn't died, would he be redeemable? I think I saw a video on that once, and it was really hard for the Galaxy to accept him as Anakin again after everything he did.

Dooku was someone who was misguided in his intentions of bringing peace and stability to the galaxy; his heart was in the right place, but his intentions were twisted.

Is he redeemable? Your focus determines your reality. You underestimate the power of the light side, it rises to meet the reaches of the dark or whatever the masters have said

Count Dooku is one of the most interesting characters

Yoda put the tip in just to flex 😂😭

Darth Raven method the Jeti used is the only way

Dooku did not care about kenobi after the events of episode 2. Within the new canon timeline, of course. He wanted and tried to kill him a couple times.

I believe yes he is redeemable if only very early down his path to the dark side. Like if Yoda went after him instead of Yaddle.

Think they should of given him a orange lightsaber like baylan.

After what they did to Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett, Count Dooku became my absolute favorite character

In my personal pov, while Dooku is definitely less evil than other Sith including Vader, I do think he was less redeemable. Not because of the things he did, but because he was more committed to them. We see time and again that Vader has resigned himself to the life of a Sith because he sees no other option. Dooku seems to have a similar mindset initially in TOTJ, but seems to come to terms he is “doing what must be done”. I think this is paralleled in Dooku and Anakin’s “first Jedi kills”. Anakin’s hand in Mace’s death was more of a reflex to save Palpatine, but Dooku knowingly and deliberately executed Yaddle. He made the choice to stay with the Sith, even if he did have a greater moral compass

Dooku was beyond the effort to even try and redeem him the force destin him to die so it had to be.

@kingorange7739

4 ай бұрын

That is hardly a notion worth believing in. Dooku's choices is what led him to his death and he was close to being saved.

5:14 why did Dooku have a blue blade instead of a green blade when he has so much interest into prophecies and the greater mysteries?

Hey!

well i cant help but wonder why redemption is even in question when speaking of Dooku...i see it as once yoda was un able to destroy the sith it became clear why Dooku did what he did.

Dooku became an extremist over time. He really cared but each corruption he had to face caused him to lose trust in the system’s ability to weed out corruption, while being faced with the dire consequences of this corruption. He became more accustomed to taking a small loss for a bigger gain and at some point terrorist means became justifiable to his ends as he lost his touch with individual suffering of those caught in the crossfire. Necessary collateral damage on the path towards a brighter future.

Depends ... If Separatists would be let to separate, and for their own state ... as they wanted to ... I could imagine that Dooku would not just be "redeemable" ... i would even dare to claim that he would redeem himself with little to no effort. I mean ... Dooku had clear goals. If he would be able to achieve them ... then yup, redemption would be possible ... and possibly even not that hard. If not ... he wouldnt. Not bcs he was "so lost in the dark" but bcs he would still have goal to achieve, and dark side was allways just means to an end for him.

Dooku was a good man, then he became Tyranus.

I have a suggestion I would love to see another video like this only Luke Skywalker does anybody else agree

I think he started out with good intentions but got lost in the dark side.

i mean i hate to say this but peace same in star wars as every other thing is fleeting at best.and ultimately he’s actually right even how he goes about it as ultimately there’s an old saying”you want peace get ready for war.”the separatist’s are ultimately the good guys in any situation as they were basically rebels before rebels were cool as it were.

Dooku is a perfect example of what Yoda told Luke about the dark side: “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Tales of the Jedi did a great job of showing Dooku in a much more sympathetic light. He showed he was noble, angered by the corruption he saw around him in the galaxy, and increasingly frustrated by the Jedi’s impotence when it came to forcing real change in the galaxy. He seemingly had some somewhat noble goals in mind that led him to sink further into the darkside, but once he was in, like Yoda said, the darkside consumed him more and more, and so he embodies the line of it “once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny”……. Whatever your motivations and goals for turning to the darkside of the force, they will always be corrupted, twisted and ultimately lead to suffering - and that suffering is both for the dark-side force user, and the galaxy as a whole. It seems to massively cloud ones judgement too. I can never really understand why Dooku, upon hearing of Qui-gon’s death at the hands of Maul, chooses to place most of the blame on the Jedi, rather than Sidious, who had sent Maul out to kill Qui-gon and Obi-wan. The person directly responsible for these events unfolding was who Dooku turned too in his grief, in his anger, yet he choose to blame the Jedi rather than the Man he spoke to right after he learned of his apprentices death.

WHAT

No redemption

Day 380 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

do more long form content

Depends what you mean by redemption. He was done with the Jedi imo, but if Obi or some other Jedi had joined him, his objective would have been to also destroy the Sith and do a similar thing to Luke. Palpatine was the axis of everything wrong and the Jedi as they were only complimented his influence. Hashtag, Joda suuuuuucks.

I think Dooku could have been saved but only under very different circumstances. I personally think Dooku didn't do anything more evil than what the Republic has done for thousands of years. Would his universe be better than the Republic? Maybe. Would it be any worse? I don't think that's possible.

I think Dooku was redeemable exclusively in the movies. He became very cruel in the clone wars show.

He had a desire to bring order and justice to the galaxy, however, he was arrogant, prideful, and elitist. He identified the problem but he thought he was the only source of the solution however what he prepared to do to get there would corrupt anyone and fundamentally make him unredeemable and too prideful to change.

I wonder what would've happened if Dooku trained Anakin...

@dreadrath

4 ай бұрын

Man, those two would egg eachother on so hard in their pursuit of their ideas of a better galaxy, they'd also be by far the most active in traveling around and helping people; though they'd also be so vulnerable to falling to the dark side together. That said, Anakin would become an absolute monster with a lightsaber if he were trained by Dooku, and he's already a beast in canon.

I was going to say I thought he could be redeemed but when I watched the like count was 666. haha. I take it as a sign he couldn't. lol. I made it 667.

By the end of the war Dooku, in my opinion is too far gone. He had the blood of so many Jedi and even entire races on his hands. He had also learned to enjoy mass murder and torture. He's a war criminal with a rap sheet that would make the Nazis green with envy.

I don't think we got a good showing of his embrace of the dark side. His arrogance yes but from Jedi to evil, not so much in my opinion. As far as what we've been shown I don't think he could have separated from the darkness...

Not redeemable! He was too self righteous he would’ve had to become qui gon gin basically and followed the will of the force instead of trying to manipulate it to his will so that he can make things work they way he wanted them to. I don’t like when people say he wasn’t a sith because to me he did everything he could to become one and succeeded he just didn’t let himself become a monster like figure such as Vader or palpatine. He did however believe he was superior to everyone else and thought he knew better than even palpatine.he wouldn’t go back to the order unless he felt like he could go and change it in to what he thought it should be or if he realized he can’t get what he wants because there are others better than him in many ways and he should stop with his desire to force things and people to be the way he wanted them. He was probably one of the most powerful sith ever and he deserves the title because he worked very hard to be so terrible and irredeemable. He thought at first the Jedi would be a way of getting what he wanted but then he saw that the sith way was his way.

By the end of episode 3 none of them were redeemable, not even yoda. Kenobi was the cosest

Understand the power of the light and of redemption, you do not. Darth Vader was part of destroying an entire planet. He killed younglings and many Jedi, and he enforced Sidious' rule with an iron fist. And at the end he turned, and was a Jedi force ghost.

If there’s still good in Vader, there’s more good in the count