I think that it was portrayed quite well that they were even and qui gon had the upper hand for a bit. It's weird to me to hear a sith speak highly of someone else but at the same time, I know they recognize and respect power when they see it

@Smoothalcoholic

Жыл бұрын

maul always spoke highly of plo koon and was forbidden to engage with yoda as well as tii in legends. the sith saw the jedi as fodder but they were generally afraid of certain council members

@darthraki6436

Жыл бұрын

Facts even sidious was wary of direct conflict with yoda cos he recognised his equal in opposite doctrine. Sidious knew as powerfull as he was if someone was gonna clock his ticket it was most likely grand master yoda.

@scottdodge6979

Жыл бұрын

@@darthraki6436 yeah nobody other then sidious would have stood a chance and they knew it. Yoda was essentially the boogeyman and to lesser extents Mace Windu and Obi Wan by the end of the war.

@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447

Жыл бұрын

well, maul is quite different from the average sith

@frenzalrhomb6919

Жыл бұрын

@@Smoothalcoholic I wouldn't say that they were afraid of any of the Jedi, Council members or not, as much as they were "respectful of the shear strength, power and prowess" or certain Jedi, the way that the Jedi themselves were aware of the danger of taking the Blade Skills of the of certain Sith, to lightly. Remember also, that both Jedi and Sith had whole ratings systems for the skill one could show with a Blade, as well as one's strength and abilities one had with the "Force", albeit the Dark or Light side.

I didn’t realise how close Qua-gon came to beating Maul. I do really like the thought of Maul, while being a Sith and taking any opening he can, does have a sense of honour and respect for those who prove their skill in combat

@Jack-kn1mr

Жыл бұрын

Maul was brought up by sidious in the ways of the ancient sith warriors, its no surprise he would have a sense of warriors pride and honor when you consider this. The ancient sith were warriors and conquerers whe compared to the modern sith who focused mostly on guile and manipulation. Sideous did this because he wanted Maul not as a true sith and apprintice but as an assassin. So he gave him the old outdated teachings and all of their perceived weaknesses and that likely included this honor. Sideous wouldn't have thought twice about using cheap tricks to win cause that's kind of his entire mo when you think about it. Cheap Tricks and manipulation.

@thealmightypancakeface9585

Жыл бұрын

@@Jack-kn1mr Maul was his true apprentice and he was to be what Vader was, up until Maul was defeated and Sidious found out about Anakin at the end of TPM. He was an assassin and a Sith Lord, this is even evident when we look at how powerful he was at only 22 years old, all due to his training under Sidious which would have continued if he didn't fail.

@FeedMeChaos1

Жыл бұрын

Heard about darth malgus? Dude rocked up to the jedi temple on coruscant, killed all the jedi, then buried them afterwards out of respect. Absolute mad lad

@alejandrosantana5693

7 ай бұрын

You have no idea! It’s implied that Qui-Gon would’ve killed Maul in the desert of Tatooine had he not had to flee the scene. Jinn was one of those masters that was hard to catalogue but regardless he most likely would’ve been grandmaster material had he lived

I'm reminded of a simple lesson I heard in a history class. "There was a time when some people considered it cowardly to use projectile weaponry in battle. Guess what happened to those people?" If you are unwilling to win at any cost, you will lose to those who are, regardless of your righteousness. I'm also reminded of a Star Trek quote, "In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory." - Worf, warning about potential cloaked Klingon warships. That said, I could understand Maul being dissatisfied or disappointed with the kill, not being able to simply overpower or overcome Qui-Gon's skill. However, there's no shame in stunning an opponent to create an opening; especially, when death is on the line.

@unicornbunny6307

Жыл бұрын

I don't see any problems with the hilt stun specifically and of course the Sith are going to do whatever anyway so you want to be prepared for that, but I think that throwing morality out the window and becoming like them is in fact cowardly because it shows you don't have sufficient skill to win the hard and right way and leaves you just a survivor, not someone who won with their values intact It's very Sithlike thinking and I really don't agree with it If using children as hostages was the best way to win a battle for example, did you really deserve to win?

@carriermodulation

Жыл бұрын

I think there is a lot of myth about the topic of ranged weapons being seen as dishonorable. For example, this is often said of the Samurai, but the Samurai had always valued archery above all else in actual battle for most of their history with the sword being a backup weapon until peace had already been mostly secured in the later tokugawa shogunate where it was the weapon more closely associated with them as they would patrol cities with them. Even firearms were typically only seen as dishonorable in propaganda by those at a disadvantage and not in a serious fashion.

@keithsvenson568

Жыл бұрын

in the end, the winner is the one who is alive. nothing else matters even remotely close to being alive at the end of a fight.

@carriermodulation

Жыл бұрын

@@keithsvenson568 Except in a case like there where Qui Gon won the long game against the Sith... And while not alive Qui Gon was not quite dead either...

@ketamineheadyoda2248

Жыл бұрын

@@keithsvenson568 but those winners displays themselves as the biggest warrior even tho they would die against someone,# who has skill.

All is fair when you are trying to win. It wasnt like Maul called in a 100 battle droids to shoot at Qui Gon. It was fair in my opinion and Qui Gon could have parried it but just didnt expect it. Just like what Obi Wan did in rebels.

@ironickey8516

Жыл бұрын

He’s not mad at himself because he thinks he cheated he’s mad because he was to weak to beat qui-gon without using a cheap trick

@grimm3392

Жыл бұрын

Maul knows he has to use the trick to survive and win, but as a duelist I think he expected more of himself

@darthvader7886

Жыл бұрын

He did in lego star wars ironically 😂😂

@tyronehuston1260

Жыл бұрын

He got the win, but he did so besting his opponent by trickery rather than skill thus the win is a tainted one. For Maul, fighting Jinn was an honor and so to win this way was in his eyes, a disgrace.

@tommychappell6359

Жыл бұрын

@@tyronehuston1260 It was a jammy move. And unprofound move. (Making profound out of unprofound, deeply profound in un-profound way). Elongating/stretching out the meaningless like it's a life's moral lesson/teaching/philosophy/ethic. Meaning out of the meaningless/thing that SHOULDN'T have meaning type thing, lame. Skillfull opportunist perhaps, but jammy. Even puerile. He knows. Felt obi ones blade.

I truly think qui gons failure in this duel was pursuing maul into the shields without waiting for obi wan. In an inclosed space with both of them would have ended in a quick death for maul. But instead he pursued him even though he was tiring from the battle giving maul the advantage

@tntfreddan3138

Жыл бұрын

1: I agree with you 2: Love your profile pic

@judaihyuga

Жыл бұрын

Waiting for Obi-wan would've been more difficult than you make it sound, and it's important to note that Qui-gon was actually doing better when it was 1-on-1. The simple fact is, that at this point, Qui-gon was a much better fighter than Obi-wan against an opponent that was his equal. Believe it or not, having to account for a less skilled or experienced fighter in battle can actually be detrimental as you have to account for them and tailor you attacks accordingly. Once it was just him and Maul, Qui-gon was able to fight in the manner that best suited him. He was trained, by Dooku, to be a *dualist* in combat. There's no guarantee that Obi-wan could've changed anything, or that Maul wouldn't have used him to the same effect, forcing Qui-gon to jump to his Padawan's defense instead of remaining on the offensive that had given Maul so much trouble.

@captaincooool

Жыл бұрын

@@judaihyuga the Jedi were paired up for a reason though. Poor Obi whether it's the master or the student they just charge off without him, lol. There's no reason he couldn't have been more defensive and waited for Obi, he was pretty much right there. But Qui Gon's death was necessary as he's the one who figured out the whole force ghost thing and passed that down to Yoda.

@DavidMardell

Жыл бұрын

Or obi-wan for not useing force speed to run throught the Shields like they do at start of phantom menace

@B3an01

Жыл бұрын

@@captaincooool well they go in pairs cause they dont want the padawan running off and somehow dying but they usually just are like someone the master has to look out for and the padawan will observe and learn and have some training sessions here and there

This makes absolute sense. Not only was Qui Gon equal to Maul in lightsaber skill, but had the favor of the force because how in flow he was in the present moment. Qui Gon lost because he got tired.

@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778

Жыл бұрын

If he was so in flow with the force he would have not tired

@NavyDave219

Жыл бұрын

@@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778 even the Force has it's limits when it comes to physical age, it can only aid them so much before they're age has an effect. Same with Dooku, he was stronger when he fought Yoda than when he fought Anakin the second time.

@austinkersey2445

Жыл бұрын

@@NavyDave219 Except for the fact that Dooku was stronger when he fought Anakin and Obi-Wan Kenobi. He was simply ordered by Palpatine to not kill Anakin during the duel. Dooku made a single mistake that cost him the duel. He held back for too long and he prodded Anakin too much. For other Jedi, Dun Möch would off-balance them and allow Dooku to take advantage of their sloppiness. However, he did not quite know what he would unleash. There is also the fact that Dooku is a Force capacitor and Anakin is a Force conduit. Basically, Dooku can control the Force more minutely and precisely, telekinetically moving an opponent's blade just that couple of inches away from his blade so that he can strike them. But, this precision and attention to detail comes at the expense of longevity, as this can actively drain his reserves. Anakin is a conduit, because he just lets it flow out of him. As Dooku loses his strength over the course of a fight, Anakin ramps up in output. Dooku possessed a superior acquired power and skill with the Force, and was a better duelist overall. But, age and his fighting style proved to be his downfall. Another point is that (much like Anakin's friends and associates) Dooku did not quite know how much of a monster Anakin could be when pushed to his limits. Besides, the Clone Wars lasted three short years, and Dooku maintained a consistent performance across the board. He was undeniably one of the most powerful beings of his era, as he was stated in and out of universe to be Mace Windu's direct equal. There's a lot more context to Dooku's defeat than just "he atrophied and Anakin surpassed him". The same can really be said of any duel in the films, but this is one of the most packed cases.

@carriermodulation

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he was tired, just surprised. While Qui Gon had participated in several battles before, none of them were against a real opponent and as a Maverick himself he probably never expected another lightsaber duelist to pull something he didn't expect. In that way, I think Maul's tactic here was probably far more fitting than he gave credit, that Qui Gon would go out due to an unconventional move.

@megamanxz-fb7oz

Жыл бұрын

@@NavyDave219 That doesn't work when Jedis like Yoda can use the force to extend their life spans and boost their physical capabilities.

I guess Maul is one of the very few Sith that respected strong opponents / Jedi as equal because he saw them as warriors like himself. Not just enemies.

Well that explains why Maul had a moment of, "I cant believe I just did that". This made him half the duelist he used to be.

@mizukihimura9669

Жыл бұрын

@@tomgerlach4489 cultured 🧎🏽‍♂️👑

If Qui-Gon was still in his prime Maul would have likely went down with very little effort. But, unlike Yoda, Qui-Gon was much more vulnerable to Ataru's main weakness of Stamina drain. Where as Maul's Juyo and relative youth have him the power and stamina to keep going. What forced Maul to use a dirty trick though was the diffrence in skill. Maul was already sensing at that point where if he didnt do something fast he wasn't going to last long enough to tier Jin out. And if Obi-Wan had time to rejoin the fight as well he was screwed.

@landonletterman831

Жыл бұрын

That is funny, that so much ability is dictated by how strong you are in the force. It's why Anakin likes to do all of those stupid consecutive backflips in his fight, because he's using the force to do it, and he can literally do it all day (he's so strong)

@enki6676

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's just me, but I always thought that Ataru doesn't fit Qui-Gon, Ataru being the acrobatic form, and Qui-Gon i.e. Liam Neeson being of such a strong and heavy build, Qui-Gon not having been very acrobatic and nimble in his fighting, especially when you compare him to Yoda who used that same fighting form. Hard to believe that Yoda and Qui-Gon used the same fighting style, seeing the two of them in action. I think Anakin's form 5 Djem So would've fit Qui-Gon much better, being one of the most physical forms, heavily relying on physical strength. But it was also a highly offensive and aggressive form, which might not have fit his nature as a diplomat and peacekeeper. But then again, so was Ataru. But ultimately, all those different fighting forms were retro-actively created by the fans and attributed to their users in the Expanded Universe, which was never really considered canon by Lucas but more of an alternate universe, and he didn't incorporate it in his movies, even though he probably took some inspiration here and there. But according to Lucas, only the original trilogy, the prequels and the Clone Wars shows are canon, or were before Disney got the rights.

@kaimagnus5760

Жыл бұрын

@@enki6676 I always thought Forms 2 and 3 fit Qui-Gon better. The fact Dooku was his master meant he was probably instructed in Form 2 to some degree. And he was more of a "Talk First THEN use violence" kind of Jedi would really work well with The Defense form.

@enki6676

Жыл бұрын

@@kaimagnus5760 Form 2 being a fencing form relying on finesse rather than brute strength would've been a waste of Qui-Gon's natural physical strength and potential I feel. And while the defensive form 3 would've fit his role as a consular pretty well, the same could be said about it also. But considering he chose to be more of a mediator than a fighter, form 3 might've been the best fit.

@lanceheaps581

Жыл бұрын

I think the only jedi who would have beat Maul with little effort were Yoda and Mace. I think in his prime Qui Gon probably wins, but it would not be an easy win. Maul was a damn good duelist.

My opinion of qui gon has changed I thought he was only really masterful in force abilities but to see he is a blade master who is loved by force is amazing

From everything that's presented, hadn't Maul resorted to a foul strike, Qui-Gon, at best could've beaten Maul on his own, with some difficulty. At worst, he could've stalled long enough for a very amped up Obi-Wan to run assist, and eventually overpower the Sith apprentice. That said, Qui-Gon's death may have been a blessing in disguise, since Ob-Wan became nearly indestructible in his mastery of Form 3.

@andrewp6387

Жыл бұрын

But also a curse....because Qui-Gon is the only Jedi who could have prevented Anakin from becoming Vader

@ethanator6015

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewp6387 Given's Qui-Gon's views of the Jedi and the Force, that's too true.

@Knight-Bishop

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanator6015 It really is. Whether or not he still fell in love and feared loss again... I feel like he may have come to Qui-Gon about directly it rather than worry about anyone finding out. And even if not... I feel he'd at least be comfortable enough with him to talk about fears and nightmares, and actually be taught how visions of such things aren't necessarily going to come true, and they may act as a feedback loop, accidentally making them self-fulfilling. That a jedi's prescience is accurate very close to the moment, but is just distorted potentials the further removed it is. So even regardless of how sort of rebellious/grey he was... He'd still let him talk. Obi-Wan wasn't just too adherent, he was young and inexperienced with teaching, and impatient with someone who was more or less just a curious upstart who hadn't been raised dogmatically since single-digits, to begin with. He was forced more to be like a young single parent to a rambunctious adopted child, than a mentor.

@CrystallineFoxCF

Жыл бұрын

@@Knight-Bishop it also doesn't help that Anakin saw Obi-Wan more as a brother, and Obi-Wan saw him the same way, Qui-Gon was more of a father figure/master Anakin.

@booki7057

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewp6387 Palpatine would find a way

Yup. Stabbing. The most shameful way to kill. Maul was so full of shame and regret, he stayed alive and vowed he would never stab again.

@Darthvader25747

Жыл бұрын

But he tried to do it to obi wan

@dn22pkkdd476

Жыл бұрын

@@Darthvader25747 we don't talk about that

@xdj2a2

Жыл бұрын

@@dn22pkkdd476 But Maul decapitated Pre Viz-- "There is no war in Ba Sing Say" "WHAT THE FU-"

@corysabourin7054

Жыл бұрын

it wasn't the stab he was ashamed of, it's the hit to the chin with saber hilt.

@tyronehuston1260

Жыл бұрын

His mission was to kill the Jedi Master but he did so by means of trickery and not solely on skill. He achieved his objective but he did so underhandedly using the hilt. He knew very well Qui Gon was his superior especially in the force.

This is why I love the books and learning internal affairs of the Star Wars characters. There are thoughts, emotions, and power dynamics that the movies cannot accurately depict. In the movie, Maul seemed confident and voracious, but by this information he was cautious and buying his time. Knowing that Qui Gon Jinn could have gotten the upper hand and ended the fight early if Maul didn't retreat into a more defensive and tactical mindset. It's not very often that a Star Wars story has a Jedi being the aggressor and forcing a Sith to go on the defensive. There have been other examples of this, but none of them quite as profound as this example. Maul literally feared for his life if he dropped his guard too early in the fight. He fought with precision and mindfulness rather than his usual ferocity and "recklessness". He wasn't expecting Qui Gon to be expecting every move Maul made from the beginning of the fight. He had to resort to defense and a cheap trick, or he would have died.

Being my favourite Jedi, Qui-Gon Jinn had a short time of life in the big screen, but still I'll give you my thoughts on this scene. I believe that the main mistake he made was that he let himself become focused on Anakin's future way too much, to the extent that he lost his focus. If he had fallen back to Form III, he'd have exhausted Maul & he'd have easily killed him! Unfortunately, his desire not to leave Anakin's future to chance made him reckless & more aggressive, than he should have been against a Form VII master. Juyo is a powerful form which no duelist should take lightly!

@samuelelliott8453

Жыл бұрын

But did he know what Maul's form was tho

@jamesmayle3787

Жыл бұрын

The Bible is truth. Please take your salvation seriously. Read at least three books of Bible, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s important,

@samuelelliott8453

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmayle3787 there's a time and a place man and this isn't either

@izzo1036

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmayle3787 Dude, as a Christian, please stop. Your comment was completely irrelevant to the conversation. There are places where that would be appropriate.

@kinorris1709

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmayle3787 Silence, religious one.

I agree with a previous video on this qui Gon is so in tune with the force he knew he was going to die before the battle even started

I like how Darth Maul didn't like the fact that he had to resort to a dirty move to win because it speaks to us about his pride as a warrior. Most people wouldn't have cared about using a dirty move to win, but to me, Maul would have preferred a fair fight between two warriors of equal caliber. It's very similar to the mindset of Darth Malgus, who favored strength fostered through fair play, something I respect, due to them having a since of fair play, and viewing victory through it as a more meaningful way to win

Qui Gon had an opportunity to cut through the hilt before he was hit in the chin but it looked like the plot armor got him lol 😂

@JETBLACKPRIEST

4 ай бұрын

I mean, his saber was above his head with his weight moving backwards when he got hit and if you've ever fought you'd know shit can catch you off guard or out of nowhere when you aren't expecting it, even more telegraphed moves than the strike to his chin (which even in slow motion, wasnt very much) can catch you off balance. It was a genuine opening.

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

@zakuulrevan3296

Жыл бұрын

ITS U N F A I R

@CatherineLee3000

6 күн бұрын

HOW CAN YOU BE ON THE COUNCIL AND NOT BE A MASTER?

Maul’s role in the story is often overlooked. Slaying Quigon was probably the most pivotal moment in the Sith grand plan. If he survived he would’ve kept Anakin on the light side.

In the closest of matches it's the first to make a mistake that loses. Maul was able to capitalize. It was a win. If maul had wanted a perfectly execution I understand but with how things went he wasn't given that. This should have inspired him to improve his skills. Which again wasn't an opportunity he was given in his defeat.

@EwingAmaterasu

Жыл бұрын

I think the problem was that Maul overestimated himself, even Sidious feed this to him when he told him “they will he no match against you”. Maul probably thought he would dominate the Jedi, but instead found a very dangerous opponent against Qui Gon.

@JO-iv7tl

Жыл бұрын

@@EwingAmaterasu maul did his job. He was intended to neutralize quigon. Which if sacrificed that was adequate. If anything maul let the fight go on too long.

@judaihyuga

Жыл бұрын

@@JO-iv7tl None of that means that Maul has to like it. He did what he was sent to do, yes, but Maul can still dislike using something he sees as underhanded. He's a warrior and proud of his skill. Qui-gon was his equal, and he wanted a proper dual with a conclusion he could feel proud of.

Maul: * ashamed of how he killed Qui-Gon * Also Maul: * tried to repeat the trick on an Oldy-Wan Kenobi *

@johnrenwelmauro2387

Жыл бұрын

his hatred for kenobi is not to be underestimated

Knowing how Maul felt after he struck down Qui-Gon Jinn makes me respect him more as a warrior. He’s a Sith but sought to fight with honor against someone he deemed a worthy adversary. If he had stuck to that personal code of honor, his death was still was a guarantee but Master Jinn would’ve been the victor and then start training anakin Skywalker. Course after knowing the full text of the chosen one prophecy, I don’t think anakin would’ve fulfilled his destiny if maul died instead of qui-gon

@darthjohn1696

Жыл бұрын

Plot armor was against Qui Gon otherwise the Star Wars we know today would never exist

It's moments like this where if you liked the move, you must absolutely check out the novelizations. They go so much deeper into the characters. well done @TSW

This video was interesting and it opens up my perspective on that particular duel. I never looked at it before like it was something Maul was above doing. On top of doing because he was feeling he was losing the edge. That gives me even more respect on Qui Gons abilities in this duel. I looked at it like it was kinda matched but Maul had him, almost toying with him. Now this changes everything.

I think Qui Gon was unexpectedly more popular then was ever expected they made him so well for such a brief time but they also made him so well and so unforgettable

@jamesmayle3787

Жыл бұрын

The Bible is truth. Please take your salvation seriously. Read at least three books of Bible, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. It’s important,

@what982

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmayle3787 no

@Silver4Hire

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesmayle3787 guys read Darth Plagueis, Darth Bane trilogy and Thrawn trilogy. It’s important

The only Maul did was use all of his weapon. It wasn't a dirty trick, it was using the tools at his disposal to achieve his goal.

Thanks for taking time to make these videos 😁👍👍

This adds so much more weight to his last duel with Obi Wan

I'm really glad you made this. I really like Qui Gon and always felt he did get a raw deal on screen. Dying to the first sith we see him face (there were 2 separate battles but same sith). I also had no idea of Mauls thoughts on the subject. I have gained a new respect for that fight now. Although it is a move you would expect from a sith, knowing it wasn't a move he was proud of and that it went against his normal fighting style says alot. Thank you really enjoy alot of your lore vids.

Great video!

sick video mang

Maul is a true warrior. He respected his enemy. A true warrior shows honor and respect even to their greatest enemy because they are the ones who deserve it. Quigon definitely deserved/earned such respect from maul.

@awakenow7147

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Thats what separates him from other Sith. Maul has always been different in that he sees the value in combat in and of itself. Not just as a means to an end. Vader was somewhat similar to Maul in this regard. However, Vader's raw resentment and vendetta against the Jedi obscured his honor.

This makes me think that Maul intentionally threw the match against Obi Wan when they fight on Tatooine and he loses because why would he use an even dirtier trick by throwing sand and then doing the exact same move he was so ashamed of and especially against the only person who already saw him use it. Very interesting decision

@Jack-kn1mr

Жыл бұрын

The Maul on Tatooine was not the same Maul from the phantom menace, he was broken he was bitter and he was old. Even if he wanted too he wouldn't be able to fight Kenobi like he had fought Jin, his body simply couldn't do it any longer. More still the mall on Tatooine was a bitter husk of his former self and resented Kenobi blaming him for everything that had happened to him, his hatred and desire to destroy Kenobi far outweighed his desire for a clean honorable victory. In Maul's mind anything was acceptable so long as Kenobi died, and this obsession likely played into his decision to use the tactic. A tactic that only worked when he in his prime was fighting an aged opponent after a long drawn out engagement. I think the show runners used his decision to use the same tactic not to show that Maul threw the rematch with Kenobi intentionally but to show the true magnitude of Maul's fall. From a blademaster who could fight on equal footing with the galaxy's best, to a withered fragile shell of a man haunted by his hatred and regret.

@tureytayno3154

Жыл бұрын

@@Jack-kn1mr After decades of hating Obi Wan, he ended up respecting him.

Finally thank you man something worth watching

Have you considered doing a breakdown on how Obi-Wan managed to solo Maul after Qui-Gon got stabbed? A lot of people are quick to downplay Maul'd prowess because he lost to a Padawan after slaying the Master.

@tjgamer9713

5 ай бұрын

Arrogance and hubris, that is how Maul lost to kenobi, his arrogance and hubris caused him to underestimate and in turn not expect kenobi striking the final blow

This was your best piece yet. I really enjoyed your conversation on this subject. Maul was able to make adjustments to what He was up against and adjust His fighting style to get the job done. A younger Qui Con Jinn may have been equal to Maul and not easily beat in this fight.

@tyronehuston1260

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Qui Gon using a more aggressive exhausting style of combat combined with his age were the factors of his loss. It was by no means lack of skill. In my opinion. They were even.

Qui gon was another Jedi we don't get to hear much about excellent vid on him, would like to hear more on his fights through his history as well

Darth Maul is severely underrated. If Star Wars wasn't owned by Disney I'd be wanting a live action show or series from the period where he's found by his brother Savage Oppress to his rise in crime and taking over Mandalore.

A win's a win. Elegance goes out the window when it comes to survival.

ORDER 66

@midnyte6195

Жыл бұрын

Pizzas?

@ZacharyDarkes

Жыл бұрын

Order 69 is better.

excellent video

I think it's bad story telling that Qui Gon dies from being run through the gut, but Maul survives being cut completely in half. It's like the Peter Griffin Giant Chucken fights.

Especially after how much respect Kenobi showed him. Kenobi gave a respectful death to the alien that murdered his mentor and lover.

@midnyte6195

Жыл бұрын

Lover?

@dereklopez9060

Жыл бұрын

@@midnyte6195 He meant Dutchess Satine.

@BerserkerX

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@@dereklopez9060 yezzir

@midnyte6195

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@@dereklopez9060 oh ok, got it, thanks

@dereklopez9060

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@@midnyte6195 Don't mention it

I don't believe the "Form IV made Qui-Gon tired which is why Maul ended up beating him" excuse because people seem to forget that for a lot of the fight, Maul was engaged with 2 Jedi - an old experienced master and a youthful padawan. Fighting 2 opponents will always be more tiring than fighting a younger one. Maul was a better fighter than either because he'd been pretty much exclusively trained for decades to be a Jedi killer and had the advantage of knowing how Jedi fight whilst the Jedi had not engaged a Sith in forever. But Qui-Gon's skill and endurance surprised him which meant he got put on the defensive for longer than planned and got lucky with the opportunity for the old "divide and conquer". Maul won because he adapted and Qui-Gon lost because he allowed himself to be led into a trap. You could argue that both Qui-Gon and Maul lost that day because they both underestimated their opponent, i.e. Qui-Gon vs Maul and Maul vs Obi-Wan.

If Maul hadn't used that "dirty trick", I don't think I could call him a Sith. They often use whatever works, right?

Don't feel bad, Maul. After all "Any fight that you can walk away fro....".......oh right.

While on a planet far far far away Darth Maul's little brother is scaring a pair of exorcists.

I like in Rebels the Obi-wan Mail fight, Obi wan switches his stances 2-3 times, form 1 form 3 (he thinks for a second) and then switches to form 4 baiting Maul to use that same “trick” he employed against Master Qui-Gon.

I agree 100% with this video

2:45 love that misspoke

It really says a to about Maul. He lacks patience and gets desperate to end the duel. He tried the same move on Obi wan in Rebels after wondering the desert on Tatooine, possibly for hours and of course failed. He used a similar move on Ahsoka when he was trying to get away from her and was probably embarrassed that he was struggling against a Palawan and teenage girl.

@jamesmayle3787

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I love it, not to mention is why Obi-Wan switched from it and was like nope I see the weakness in it...I shall be better. Interesting video

I never noticed the blow to the chin that stunned him. I must have missed that 2 dozen times, trying to see why Qui gon just stood there

If Disney did that fight, Qui-Gon probably would have survived the stab to the abdomen, considering a wound to the stomach now seems to not be fatal, according to Disney. 🙄🙄

The Legends versions of Maul And Grievous are so similar in there mindsets when it comes to combat they are warriors at heart even before Maul became a sith he had a sense of honor to some degree just as Grievous did before he became a cyborg yeah.

One huge thing to keep in mind is that Darth maul was of the zabrak species who have 2 hearts meaning that he had unrivaled endurance wile in combat. He could wear down almost anyone which is essentially what he did to the 60 yr old master.

That stab is survivable.

The existentialism of this dueling concept is amazing. I don't think someone like qui gon desired to "win" the duel. Just to survive it

I love the new story behind the scenes and I hope a fanfic what if comes out

I always knew qui gon was powerful but to know he almost won speaks levels

I really wish they gave Maul his real due in Phantom Menace. They really didn’t do him justice after seeing Clone Wars and Rebels.

Was he more ashamed of that than letting a Padawan surprise him and cut him in twain?

It's very telling that Maul was basically in retreat the entire time he was dueling with Qui Gon mano a mano. He was absolutely not the retreating type, but did so almost the entire time he was engaged with this Jedi master.

"You are skilled, but this is not a dance."

Great video bro. Alls fair in love and war.

I feel like someone should digitally re- choreograph that whole duel all together. I would very much like to see Qui Gon actually performing Ataru moves blended with the lightsaber styling from his master Count Dooku.

If you deal in killing, any effort is expected, as the pray will always strughle against the assassin.

Qui-Gon actually quickly dispatched of Maul, but Obi-Wan tried to use force speed and fell down the reactor shaft. The entire saga from then on is actually Obi-Wan's coma induced halucinations.

I would take into consideration Maul's fighting forms 7,6, 4. I would add 2, 3 and both variants of 5.

The visual storytelling of the duel on Naboo is surprisingly well executed.

I have always enjoyed swordplay. Which started with star wars. I remember being shocked when Qui-Gon lost the duel .

It is dirty, it is underhanded, it is shameful... But with one's life on the line, a dirty trick like *this* , in my eyes, is understandable. While I agree with Maul, he deserved better, I do not belittle maul for the tactic he may have *had* to use to win the battle.

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I don't understand how this is a dirty trick. All of this would have been fair game in a longsword duel. If a lightsaber is a weapon, then _all of it_ is a weapon.

I never thought he would be pissed at the jedi for not picking him up.

God, I love Star Wars. Good, Bad, Silly. If one looks at it from a certain point of view, they can find joy in it again.

Qui gon is in the back talking about yeah wait till you meet my master... he gonna kick your ass and my ass for lol's...

The duel between them was even and the ending blow by hitting Qui-Gon's chin and stunning him was a smart move to delver the final blow. I do not see it as a cheap move but a smart move.

In my opinion there is one problem with your theory. I agree that Darth Maul might’ve been ashamed of using the hilt of his saber, but in Star Wars Rebels Darth Maul tried to use that same move on Obi-Wan. That’s how Maul died, obi-Wan predicted his move.

I feel this moment at the time was confusing to me. I got the idea from Heir to the Empire that connecting to the force as Quigon did was a fantastic form of Czikszentmihalyi’s “flow state”, where one is so tapped into what they are doing and aware of what’s going on around them, that they are not even thinking about it. However, in the case of the the force, the awareness would extend to the whole of interconnected space-time. The only way I could understand Maul’s victory was a very Game of Thrones-y deromamticizing of such things. It was painful to have my expectations subverted ;-) It came across to me like the Jedi training and connection to the force didn’t matter, or that it was the will of the force that both Quigon and Maul die. Perhaps there was too much dominance of light side users and the rise of Palpatine and the Empire are the Force balancing itself out? Was there some flaw in Quigon’s connection, or were the dark side and Maul simply more powerful? This video is an interesting take on that.

Hilt Strike has always been a part of the Soresu Form. it is as dirty of a trick as using force stasis or force choke then striking them down.

@jamesmayle3787

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Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary

I personally think that if the original trilogy didn't exist, and the writer thus didn't have an outcome for this fight in mind yet, the chances of Qui Gon killing Maul are pretty much the same as it ending the way it did in the movies.

Qui Gon was a overpowered Jedi and knew it, that is why he unlike many other Jedi focused on the living force rather than focusing on what the council believed was the correct path of the jedi.

Form 4 and Form 7 are only suppose to be used in short bursts as they are very taxing on the body. Mastery of other forms is encouraged as different situations require a different approach.

You literally made this shit up😵

Honor doesn't win wars, it wins you death. Before going into any fight, consider carefully if you are willing to do anything to win. If not, expect that you will lose if the opponent is willing.

I never knew this. This puts Maul in a New light for me

This is a really interesting observation in the lore considering you don't normally see someone strike their opponent with the hilt

@zealotking67

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Lmao the man really said "I'm too old for this i I don't have time" and finished it in one swing

In the words of Darth Bane: Honor is for the living. Dead is dead.

Maul was so strategic i that duel. Watch as he masterfully leads the jedi through a maze of lasers and hallways, separating them nearly the entire fight. Brilliant.

Interestingly enough, he still attempted the same manouver to kill Obi Wan on Tatooine.

After reading the Jedi Apprentice books, going back to this fight only elevates Maul more, Qui-Gon is monstrously strong just from his imposing height, let alone the extra advantage using the Force provides.

does anyone know where / or which comic that art work of Qui-Gon at 00:25 is from? it's awesome! Thanks in advance

"you have no honor" "no, he did."

In a fight to the death one has to do what one has to do. Maul had nothing to be ashamed of....aside from being arrogant towards Kenobi resulting in his getting chopped in half.

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

Any combatant knows that there is no such thing as a dirty trick in mortal combat. It is a sublime move and ends the duel before he is outnumbered again.

I'm gonna be honest, It constantly feels like Star Wars is in a constant state of trying to retcon past writing mistakes.

Qui Gon knew fully he waz about to meet death. In doing so completing the physical role in life and hiz training to the will of the force. Becoming more powerful than anyone could imagine

What is the background music towards the end of the video called?