Everybody was acting like the kid was stolen from the federation, and by that logic worf was technically stolen from the klingons. But we only ever see worf being annoyed with the kid. I feel like that was a missed opportunity for a parallel

@jessesloan864

3 жыл бұрын

My first thought as well. It would have been interesting if Worf made the controversial argument that Jono should stay with his adoptive father.

@realityorfiction

3 жыл бұрын

The difference is Jono was taken as a token of the victor while worf was saved from the Romulans by humans.

@TadpoleMusics

3 жыл бұрын

I agree that they should have drawn some sort of comparison or parallel with Worf during the episode. The fact that it doesn't even come up is weird. He only shares one scene with Worf

@voluntarism335

2 жыл бұрын

There's a massive difference between the 2, that kid was abducted and thoroughly brainwashed

@superpilotdude

2 жыл бұрын

@@realityorfiction that what I was thinking.

This is a theme explored in numerous westerns where white captives raised by native American tribes are forcibly repatriated. Given that Roddenberry was involved in the production of a lot of those old westerns, he probably just lifted this scrip from one of them and adapted it for space.

Part of what makes old Star Trek so great is their moral dilemmas, that's what his episode was, the crew learns from their mistakes in how they were treating that kid, that was the point of the episode is to show how the learn to eventually do what's right, it just took them the whole episode to learn it.

He was human, and thus a Federation citizen by birth, and a relative of a high ranking line officer to boot. It's hardly a surprise the Federation's military would err on the side of getting its citizen back above all other considerations. That said, I agree with Nick, this episode reeks of the first season, and there are more stinkers like this one lying in wait.

@trazyntheinfinite9895

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine these episodes lying in wait in darkspace, listening to linkin park....

Ok let me guess. One of you grew up with happy, supporting parents and the other was constantly neglected and abused.

So Endar takes the kids of the soldiers he killed in battle? Never ever would I have returned Jeremiah!

The theme of this episode is based on how Native Americans used to take white children and raise them in their own tribe after raids, like the love interest from Dances with Wolves. Disney once made a movie about a story where such a man was re-introduced to the world of white people just like this episode.

@christinaluna2055

Жыл бұрын

Do you know what the film is ?

You know you guys laugh at this episode but I have a hard time watching this one because. I've been in this situation I have lived through foster care I've been put in situations where I had to decide where I wanted to live. Its scary this one hit very close to home for me. When you a kid your worried about hurting some ones feelings or at least I was

@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain

3 жыл бұрын

difference is jono was kidnapped after his parents were killed rather than brought to humans. it would be like if someone killed your parents and raised you as their own. jono IS human and should be brought back home to earth and deprogrammed.

@dornravlin

3 жыл бұрын

@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain That's a good point

@AngelaRyanXX

2 жыл бұрын

@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain Similar to Seven of Nine.

@Shelsight

Жыл бұрын

@dornravlin - You made a very human and personal point, from a perspective that most of us won’t have. I respect you for that. It must be tough as a child being pushed or pulled through nature vs nurture on the whim of adults. And then having to respond/process all that as a young, independent teen/young man finally owning your own choices & decisions - but fearful you’ll offend any or all who helped raise you. This episode is 30years old, so i sincerely hope that foster care & integration has changed for the better since then, for all - or at least some - of the kids who went into care after you. And I hope you are finding peace, stability and love in your own life.

I have recently started rewatching tng and found your channel, thanks a lot for making the viewing much more fun, knowing that i will enjoy a cool review later. Keep up the good job, guys and thanks a lot!

Perfect : All the benefits of watching TNG without the tedium or disapointment

Troi pulls a Guile on Picard and tells him to go home and be a family man

What I did like about this episode is that the ending surprised me a little. I assumed that they'd go with the familiar trope of having the kid change his mind and ultimately decide to return to Earth. Instead, the Enterprise crew and the Fed did not get their way. It probably helped to let him go after he stabbed Picard in his sleep😏.

the flashing lights are the *most important thing in the universe.*

This episode is reflected of captive of Native American Tribes customs of captive/cultural adoption.

Chad Allen was a well known child actor in the 80s so it was kinda cool seeing him in this at the time.

"Talarian warships" Yeah.... "warships".... lets be nice like that

You guys should have started a series counter for how many times Picard does the "Picard Maneuver". 😂

Notice how Crusher never touches her patients. Not just in this episode but in every darn episode, movie and Picard shows. She influenced the doctor of the 21st century.

Agree more with the D- grade. I gave it a D. For the exact reason as stated; the plot felt forced.

I agree that this is definitely not a strong episode, but I still don't think it's bad enough to give it a D-, I said B- but maybe closer to a B.

Is Picard’s pizza...De’Jono?

How u guys don't have a billion views is beyond me! I can't wait for you to finish this series

@juakinwages8562

3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to like every single video and tell my friends to do the same

Where do you guys get your tng clips?

@reverseangle

3 жыл бұрын

Netflix.

troi usefullness varies depending on the writers.....when sensors cant detect life on board a ship or a planet below she can pick of signs....then other times when someone is closer and on the ship itself she can not detect if they are lying lol....its the writing....

@eamonndeane587

Жыл бұрын

Marina Sirtis has my sympathies for the inconsistent writing she got weighed down by.

The Federation always bend over backwards for any culture but their own. Picard's sudden understanding in the end was ridiculous.

it's weird, I had recently had a way younger roommate who looked just like the actor Chad Allen who plays Jono. He got molested by his stepdad growing up and had strange emotional problems towards men (and towards me) because of it. He had a lot of hostility that seemed to be subconsciously homosexual. There seems to be undertones of that kind of dynamic in this episode. Picard being the "normal" father figure while Endar is the abusive one, while Jono is torn between wanting both kinds of attention, without being aware which is harmful. Just my take on this story, lol.

On the one hand, I kinda sympathize with their point of view early on. If the Telerians had been worse caretakers, then Jono's behavior could be a form of Stockholm syndrome. Compare this to 7 of 9 when she was forced away from the borg despite wanting very much to go back to them. Also, I think the whole point of the episode was to point out Starfleet hypocrisy.

@RyanPerfect

3 жыл бұрын

You have No clue what you are taking about!

@puxtbuck6731

Жыл бұрын

@@RyanPerfectwell said

Honestly, I always liked this one myself, as a stepson, I could relate to the issue of being torn between two worlds. The one you were born into, or the one that stepped up and raised you into a man...

This episode had a solid concept, but would have worked much better if we'd seen Jono struggling to reconnect with his humanity, and Picard slowly realizing that he truly did belong with the Talarians. Instead, Jono was adamant about being Talarian from start to finish and it took a knife in the ribs to finally convince Picard. If I were him, I'd have some very strong words for Troi and Beverly. Both of those dummies just assumed Jono was a victim of abuse and mindlessly urged Picard to pursue a futile course of action that almost got him killed and started a war! 🤣

Star Trek is never Done with Enforcing the " Prime Convenience " the UN in Space bringing Lectures to the Species who have not been Blessed with those Lectures yet and correct Ways of Existence, it's a Mission

I would be curious to see this episode reviewed by Elian Gonzalez

@johntracy72

Жыл бұрын

That would be very interesting.

Those light tubes were also in Airplane 2 I believe. All they do is go back and forth and back and forth...

I agree with Nick here on this episode

Jesus I don't even remember this episode.

The bit where he broke down crying is actually quite a moving scene even if the rest of the episode is trash

The Voyager crew also dismiss Seven of Nine's borg cultural background and force her to be "more human". Star Trek is inherently all about human superiority and prejudice in many encounters with other species.

@m.k.v.g.7203

3 жыл бұрын

Borg have no culture. Culture is irrelevant.

@RyanPerfect

3 жыл бұрын

@@m.k.v.g.7203 EXACTLY! John, Stop with ur liberal propaganda bullcrap! You, are a PARASITE!

@zzztriplezzz5264

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanPerfect bruh wtf 😂😂😂

@ArnoldDarkshner99

3 жыл бұрын

@@RyanPerfect Sir, this is a Wendy's.

The shitty rock music was the best, as Picard is walking it seems like it's soundtrack music for tension, then you see other people are walking past Picard's quarters... without context it must seem to them the Captain is making a heck of a musical exploration on the other side of that door.

I think Nick missed the ending of the episode. He criticized Star Fleet for the same thing the episode criticized Star Fleet for. Am I missing something? Did that just woosh over his head? Idk, these reviews are really good at noticing minor technical sci-fi details but when you get to the story, idk. I just dk.

that screaming/humming in the Medical bay by Jonah was typical star trek idiocy.

@madEsiak

4 ай бұрын

Interesting comment xD

100% agree with you Nick this was a terrible episode, it had such a season 1 feel to it. If you could rate it Z I bet you would have.

Like how Troi is stood over the weapons console like a boss.

Great

Annoying federation egocentrism aside, the episode was a solid B for me. Would've loved to see more episodes that explored the differences in customs when raising children and teaching them ethics.

what if he's an admiral in the present & human ancestors have stolen his dna&cloned him??

I usually agree with Robert but in case of this episode I have to go with Nick - it's really wrong of the Federation to shove their views and opinions down Jono's throat, the story should have been "we found a wounded kid -> take him to Enterprise and treat his injuries -> listen to his wish to return to his people -> tell him that he always has his door open if he wants to reunite with humans -> end credits"

great story. era oriented social issues, not 2023(sic)

I like TOS because it is heroic. I think TNG is so-so, but it is non-heroic.

Think about if this was a child from your culture that you were arguing if you should send back to the Taliban. Does it really matter that he's been indoctrinated to support Taliban values? What if it wasn't a son but a daughter? Would you send a 14 year old girl who has living american grandparents to the Taliban because she says she wanted to after only knowing about her american family for 1 day? Respect for other cultures should only go so far. Talarian society does not seem to be a good place for a child and 14 certainly is not the age of decision where I'm from, with good reason.

Not a great episode, but on the other hand... Bub!

@bazingamycheeks

3 жыл бұрын

nice avatar, which episode of batman is it from lol?

Dude you are missing a very important point about the plot which deserves a video on its own. And as an Argentinian I can enlighten you about it. The plot reminds us about Argentina's military dictatorship period 76-83 where the state illegally murdered opposing political leaders, and kidnapped and raised their offspring as their own. Admiral Rossa is VERY similar to "Estela de Carloto", founding mother of "Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo", a real life organization of grandmothers looking for their missing grandsons, who don't even know their true identity. Look her up.

Jono was super annoying character.. Picard should have whooped his ass with Worfs baldric when he started picking up and being rough with the artifacts in his quarters. Parents need to discipline their children so they don't turn into a Jono.

I like that the series is consistent with the Federation and it's insidious values.

There is another reason Chad Allen doesn't respond to women.......

ok, but not ok xD

I hate this episode, especially that noise the kid makes

Its an ok episode but I hate jono tho he has no redeemable quality and the crew just so stupidity hard headed 😂

In TNG, the representative of white male human culture was wrong. In TOS, the representative of white male human culture was never wrong, at least not to that extent.

I absolutely despise that episode. It’s just completely stupid. Really weird direction for the show to go. I’ve watched it a few times in spite of how much I hate it but that was a while ago and I every time I watch Star Trek I skip that episode now, it just grates on my nerves.

You trash and make fun of the episode up until the last minute of the video and they you claim "it was enjoyable." This is a real trend on this channel. Are these dudes just trolls or what?

I found this video while searching for the speech Picard makes at the end of this episode. You raise many excellent points, and overall your analysis is accurate and good, but considering how brutally critical you are about the points, your cheap jabs damage your credibility. Does Beverly remove his helmet despite it being a poor medical decision? Yes, because the plot hinges on the audience understanding that this character is human. A close-up would have sufficed, or better yet no helmet at all! The writers are clumsy here, but you don't have to be clumsy in calling attention to it, especially if you want someone to take your analysis seriously. And then: Picard is called away because his pizza is ready? Again, he's busy because he's captain, but the task of attending to this boy rates very high on Starfleet's declared list of priorities and almost anything can be handled by the First Officer instead, so that's worth criticizing but you just tossed a cheap jab at it instead of calling it out properly. The story here is clumsy, yes, but it's progressive for 1990. To be sure, the intent of the script was surely to show the crew of the Enterprise making the sorts of errors that people in the present (1990) could make due to their cultural bias. Even Worf could be forgiven for having his own perspective subsumed by those of his peers. That final scene was an opportunity to address all of that, and Dr. Crusher should certainly have been on the bridge to witness the conclusion. Worf could even have some screen-time reflecting on his past and drawing new conclusions. They didn't do those things, and they are missed opportunities for character development. My like for this video waxed and waned as you said clevel, insightful things while interlacing them with rhetorical humor. Maybe it was your intent for it to be less serious because the subject is so very serious (and painfully relevant today in 2022), but I actually think that is all the more reason to set humor aside entirely and be bold with your criticisms.